Nov 13
A Quiet Little Tuesday Roundup
It’s Tuesday and just two days into the international week. And things have gone very quiet. There is deathly silence all round. No news to feast upon. None at all really. So I’ll just keep talking like this, get through the motions and end the post. You see, that is the key to a successful essay. Isn’t that what the teachers taught us at school? But that was school, wasn’t it? Real life is way different. Anyway, not to worry. I am not going to talk only crap. There will be some news — if only I can find something news worthy, that is.
Louis Saha is delighted at being able to start a game. He’d better be. More importantly he’d better take good care of himself as he is headed for his most jinxed location — the France national team. We pray fervently for his return in one piece.
Morten Gamst Pederson joins the list of United admirers tipping us for the title. Sorry, I had to include it. I couldn’t find too many other articles.
And Alan Hansen (that prick) wrote in his column on the Telegraph that Mark Hughes is a viable successor to SAF. Yawn… in other news, Radioactive Pigs Electrocute Vladimir Putin. The article meandered through and actually ended up with Harry Redknapp. Plenty of yawny moments there. So to check if you lot are still awake here’s a question for the day: ‘Now that the euphoria over Keane has sort of died down, who do you prefer, Hughes or Keane, to succeed SAF?’
Meanwhile before I run off to watch the latest episode of Heroes, let me tell you that there is an exciting contest coming your way, pretty soon. So watch this space. And I am working on a comments policy to keep things in control. I am not against free speech, but some basic etiquette needs to be maintained to simulate intelligent discussion. The rules are fairly simple to follow, I am sure.
Watch this space.
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- Man Utd v Tottenham: Preview
- Worry over Rooney and Vida | Evra’s Abuse | Curbs Plans Weak Squad
- SAF’s European Headache
- Roundup: Amazed Anderson; Hargreaves Tops Poll; Ole’s New Avatar
Tags: Daily Roundup
November 13th, 2007 at 10:57
Neither Keane or Hughes as I don’t think they have proved they are good enough to manage a club like Manchester United.
November 13th, 2007 at 11:32
A manager with European experience will be the key..Lets see how Mark Hughes’ Blackburn performs in the UEFA cup for the next couple of years and then we can be sure if he’s the man.An attack-minded manager is a necessity, who knows how to play the “United way”.
November 13th, 2007 at 14:05
Queiroz is going to manage UTD after SAF “FULL STOP”
and thats also 2 yrs later i see fergie still hanging on for a couple of years to come
November 13th, 2007 at 14:11
Hughes currently. Keane has yet to prove himself at all. I expect Queiroz to be the next manager though - unless he gets bored and becomes Real Madrid manager for a season again. Not that I want him to be manager.
November 13th, 2007 at 15:11
I agree. Queiroz is taking up after SAF. That is why we bought Nani and Anderson. He want to make sure that he has a good squad when SAF retires.
November 13th, 2007 at 15:53
I agree with karl and indianpunk, as long as Queiroz is alive and well when SAF retires then it is going to be him. Unless the Glazers have a huge ace up their sleeve.
November 13th, 2007 at 16:05
Marcello Lippi!!!
November 13th, 2007 at 16:48
Yea lippi,tactically brilliant,clever,expirience,he has the lot.CQ for me should stay assistant.doubt hel like it though.
November 13th, 2007 at 18:44
The manager to take over for Fergie will have to be patient because unless health problems or a real downturn in the team’s form arises, Fergie will be United’s manager for 4 to 5 more years. He has no intention of stepping down because it keeps him young at heart and he is having a ball with this current group of players. He also doesn’t want anybody meddling with what he has presently put together.
Does Queiroz have a chance of taking over. I say it’s 50-50. He already has shown a few signs of impatience and I seriously doubt that he will want to wait Fergie out. If he does, I have a sneaky suspicion he will not be the man the Glazer’s will select. With all the fine Portuguese talent we have and the possibility of more coming from the farm team at Sporting Lisbon (like Veloso), I think it would be wise to give him a shot. He also understands the team’s players and style of play.
Whoever, takes over for Fergie, will have to be capable of continuing a similar style of play and disciplinary system. United is all about attacking football. Yes they are one of the better defending teams too but unlike Italian clubs and disgracees like Liverfool and Chelski, they play to outscore their opponents. United have always been an attacking side. It’s the team’s mantra. The successor will have to be an attack oriented manager. So cancel out Lippi, Capello and especially Mourinho from the conversation. If tradition is to be maintained, managers like Klinsmann, Riijkard, Scollari fill the bill better.
I’m NOT suggesting that any of these three will succeed, but I do not think it will be a successful manager who is defense first oriented. On that note, I think that Queiroz is the probable choice. I also think if Roy Keane’s team improve in the EPL and in two to three years time they are a top 7 team, then he will be considered for his reputation and knowledge of the United system of doing things. Hughes would not be a bad candidate either but he left United before it started to really go international with their style of play and the ethnic mix of their squad. He seems mired in the old English style of football that Blackburn play well, but that United have long since abandoned. That system calls for playing exclusively 4-4-2 with play down the wings, long balls and crosses with two traditional old school strikers. Forget that news!
In four to five years new names will come up to possibly take over for Fergie. Until then, lets not fret and lets enjoy this great club presently being managed by the greatest club manager of all time. How do you fill those shoes with someone else? MY GOD!!!!!
November 13th, 2007 at 18:57
this will seem fairly strange but i must say it, in my family, sometimes we have dreams, which eventually come true, your probably laughing your asses of now but its true, last night i had a dream, that hargreaves will score in a match that we will win 2to4-0, this match will most likely not be televised since i saw it on the bbc comments page, if this is true it means either 2 things:
hargreaves will score soon(maybe even next match)
OR
hargreaves will stay with us for a long time to come.
back on topic, our next manager will CQ, with keane or huges his deputy, it will be that or we get an attacking mind manager maybe sven?
November 13th, 2007 at 19:04
Dan if ur right then can i hire u as my betting consultant?
November 13th, 2007 at 19:41
my dream would be for scolari to take over united, louis van gaal is not bad himself either,
November 13th, 2007 at 20:16
I think Carlos Queiroz should be given a chance. He has played an incredible role in building up the team and i think is half responsible for th style of play we show now. He knows the team well,players well and things look comfortable. Why do we need to look over him and bring a failry new one to the club and pray he carries over the legacy?
For Fergie admirers another article about the last 10 major signings and their impacts …http://absolutelyunited.com/redcan/1025/2007/11/13/fergies-perferct-10/
One major question for debate…may be even for Fergie…
Is Anderson getting little overrated that people start looking over his mistakes? Is Carrick a more eligible regular player alongside Hargreaves?
I still think Anderson has more whatever he shows..He was about to show us the Youtube skill in the last match but pulled it back..Is he just being conservative or is that all what he got??
November 13th, 2007 at 20:17
lol taehr, its not as simple as that.
November 13th, 2007 at 20:30
shyam, that was a good read that was, but the guy who wrote, i cant believe people still rate carrick higher than hargreaves, in the little time he’s been here, i say he’s done more for the club than carrick. but i must admit THANK GOD, someone else relises that anderson will be the best footballer on earth, i dont care about ronaldo, if he gets the right training he’ll be a 100x better than that boy ronaldom, i mean nani is good, but anderson has the potential to be on a hole nother level…sorry bout that rant, but i just neeeded to talk about andy.
November 13th, 2007 at 20:49
Dan: Carrick was a key component of the title winning side last year. He has put in MOTM level performances against Roma, Arsenal and Chelsea since he came. He got a good tally of goals last season, made an excellent foil to Scholes, often dictated the tempo of our game to good effect in Paul’s absence and had one of the highest tally of appearances in the squad last season.
What has Hargreaves done so far? He has played a handful of games where his abilities were not really required and has put in some good and some average performances. And in the one game when we really needed what he brought to the table, (i.e. Arsenal) he was average at best (to be fair he wasn’t match fit). Now I’m not criticising Hargreaves or saying that he isn’t (or won’t be) a better player but to suggest that he has done more for the club is an insult to Carrick’s contributions last year.
November 13th, 2007 at 21:23
Simply put Hargreaves is twice the defensive player Carrick is and his offense is not bad either. I’ve watched him for years. When fit he runs with great energy and is tireless. Right now he is fighting to get match fit. He’s coming off a long layoff. Carrick has no chance of supplanting Hargreaves. Right now his only chance is to prove to Fergie that United play better with him on the field as the maestro of the midfield and not Anderson. Scholes I’m afraid may be a write off because of his injury.
Carrick has an uphill battle to win back his starting role. Fergie has already come out and confirmed that Anderson is his replacement for Scholes. I’m not a big Carrick fan as most of you already know, but he does have a calming effect for the team as he can slow down the tempo when needed. Problem is that he only knows a slow tempo. United now play a much faster tempo game with Nani, Anderson and Tevez playing alongside speed merchants like Evra Rooney and Ronaldo. Players like Carrick, O’Shea and Fletcher struggle more under this style. They are still good and valuable but the team is now built for speed. And they are much better for it.
November 13th, 2007 at 21:35
I’m not going to argue with most of that Grognard because by and large I agree, that been said I think you are maybe overstating the difference in ability between the two players. However Carrick was a proven and key performer last year while Hargreaves still has it all to prove for Utd. There has yet to be a game where I saw a Hargreaves performance and said yes that is why we bought him, although he is a victim of cirumstance in that respect to a large degree. That’s what I have an issue with, saying Hargreaves has contributed more to us than Carrick, when quite frankly he hasn’t.
November 13th, 2007 at 21:42
JB; I can be more sure of Hargreaves than of Carrick. Hargo has only played a few games for us and to judge him right now would be unfair as you have said. However, Carrick has played plenty of games and has less than a half a dozen excellent performances. I think its’ fair to argue tha Carrick and not Hargreaves has more to prove. I for one think Hargo has played well although I can see with my eyes that he is not 100% match fit due to the long layoff. Once he rounds into shape I think you and everyone else will start to forget about Roy Keane a bit.
If Carrick could find positive consistency in his performances then perhaps he has a future with the club. Right now I just don’t see it. I’d be more happy to be proven wrong though.
Heck, even Evra is slowly winning me over so there is hope for Carrick still I believe.
November 13th, 2007 at 23:59
Forgot to post this earlier, it is an article on the top 100 footballer list put up a couple of days ago critiquing its methodology.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/columnists/gabriele_marcotti/article2852912.ece
November 14th, 2007 at 0:53
Flawed logic from a flawed and misguided numbers cruncher. What gets me about this guy is he will make lots of money publishing this in a book. Any of us can use common sense to come up with a list that is far superior and we make butkis for money. Thanks for the article JB.
November 14th, 2007 at 2:17
Personally I think the sucessor would be Martin O’Neil,I dont know why but I still stick to
the old one.I think he is the best in man managerial and producing a new talents
just like our tradition.But it will be Quiroz as the best candidates since he has tremendous job as asisstant over a few years,however he still not proven as manager yet.Real Madrid had taste it…and they won nothing.
November 14th, 2007 at 5:34
Never judge Queiroz by his failure at Real Madrid. Real is famous for sacking managers that have one their league (ie; Capello) as well as the Champions League (ie; Jupp Heynkes) Their elected board members are complete muppets who have no concept on what it takes to build a great team. They succeed only because of the size of their wallets. Money can hide all kinds of flaws. Just ask Chelski.
Queiroz has earned the chance. If he fails, sack him and move on but give him a fair run.
Still, I think Fergie will be around for another 5 years. So figuring out who could take over now is kind of premature.
November 14th, 2007 at 8:49
R.I.P doherty
November 14th, 2007 at 11:50
I don’t want to get drawn into a ‘Carrick is better than Hargo’ debate. We need to realise that the main difference between us and Arsenal is that we are more flexible and adaptable than them. Arsenal plays more one dimensional. For this multi-dimensional play, we need ‘different’ type of players. Carrick, Anderson, Scholes and Hargreaves all have a place in our team.
That said, I don’t care if we’re ‘overrating’ Anderson…I just love this guy. I believe he has great potential.
I still feel CQ will take over, but, if not, man would I love Scolari to be next in line
November 14th, 2007 at 11:55
I don’t want to get drawn into a ‘Carrick is better than Hargo’ debate. We need to realise that the main difference between us and Arsenal is that we are more flexible and adaptable than them. Arsenal plays more one dimensional. For this multi-dimensional play, we need ‘different’ type of players. Carrick, Anderson, Scholes and Hargreaves all have a place in our team.
That said, I don’t care if we’re ‘overrating’ Anderson…I just love this guy. I believe he has great potential. (Fuck Cesc Fabregas!)
I still feel CQ will take over, but, if not, man would I love Scolari to be next in line
November 14th, 2007 at 18:32
I personally don’t think anyone will be able to step into, let alone fill Fergie’s shoes when he finally does step down.
I agree with karl that Carlos Queiroz will probably be the first man but he will not last long I believe. Unfortunately I think we will have a bad year (for United anyway) and he will get the push before a long term replacement takes the reigns.