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  1. Fred the Red
    November 9, 2011

    Not up for debate? The Busby babes were arguably, or potentially Uniteds greatest ever side and many people thought that Billy Whelan was the player who made them tick. Giggs for me has been a great servant and his success speaks for itself. But he never hit the heights many thought he would, and to be honest, is way too wasteful in possession. Capable of great things, but didnt do it often enough in my book, and constantly leaked the ball. A really good and dangerous player, but not a great one. Those who judge greatness by medals and longevity will probably disagree.
    In fact, if I was picking an all time eleven, I would have Bestie on the left, and Ronaldo on the right.

    • RedDevilEddy
      November 9, 2011

      Well what’s a great left winger for you then? :-? I can’t name a single player who can be mentioned as a greater player for that position, not one! Ribery is too much injured, Ronaldo isn’t a left winger, neither is Silva. Pires was never in his League! Figo may have been more talented, but certainly not a better winger.

      And if we are supposed to talk about only United, who can possibly rival him? He single-handedly pushed Lee Sharp over to the right wing, and neither Olsen nor Hill was near his quality. Ryan Giggs is a phenomenon, and as far as sex-addicts go I’m confident he has been the purpose of more orgasms than any other! Who can forget the stars and the screams of pure delight that came form THAT goal against Arsenal, pure mental fuckness.

      With all due respect to the Busby Babes, although they were all very talented and great people, there wasn’t one guy who could rival Ryan Giggs for his greatness with Manchester United. Most appearances, most assists in the Premier League era with a 100 more than the second, and he is by all means together with Sir Alex, Sir Matt, and Bobby Charlton the men you will accosiate with Manchester United.

      Ryan Giggs, we salute you and your hairy chest.

  2. RedDevilEddy
    November 9, 2011

    Didn’t see the part about Bestie, it was brought up after I last read your comment. :) By the way, Georgie came second in the right-wingers list so I doubt he could be on the left wing in our “all-time XI”!

  3. RedDevilEddy
    November 9, 2011

    Giggs will tear you apart, again……

  4. Daniele
    Daniele
    November 9, 2011

    Unfortunately I didn’t get to see the Busby Babes, but I’m sure Whelan was a formidable player. Ryan Giggs though stands in a different category for me, not only in terms of quality, also in terms of success sustained over a 20 years period. To describe him as a “good servant” is, to me, a bit disrespectful. The argument about having Ronaldo on the right and Georgie on the left is a valid one, but this is a list of the best left wingers the club has ever had, not of the best players that have occupied that left wing position. I’d still pick Giggsy in my All Time Best XI, in his prime he was purely unplayable.

    Btw, “mental fuckness” is as good a quote to describe THAT moment as I’ve ever heard.

  5. RedDevilEddy
    November 9, 2011

    Am I the only one who gets a bigger kick by THAT Giggsy goal than Ole’s winner in the Champions League final??

    • Daniele
      Daniele
      November 9, 2011

      I don’t get a bigger kick, both send shivers down my spine and take my breath away. But as much as I get tears in my eyes after Ole’s goal, that semifinal had it all…Beckham scoring a cracker, Keano getting sent off and then Schmeichel saving a last minute penalty, with the fans going mental behind the goal and then, after Giggsy scored, the scenes of pure, uncontrolled joy.

      I’ve seen both goals thousands of times and I think i’ll always feel like going mental at first and then really emotional, it’s a feeling you can’t explain.

      • RedDevilEddy
        November 10, 2011

        That game is the first one I ever watched on TV, what really got me into United. Despite being just a young lad, I’ve never seen my dad take off like that before and just all the INSANE reaction to the goal really made an impression on me. I never thought the goal was any special at the time, or don’t think I even understood the surroundings of it until long after. But my God, never have I seen a man scream so high or dance as fucked as that! :lol: :lol: As for Giggsy and the fans? Just wow! Uncontrolled emotions at the highest level, it’s the last minutes of a really draining game and even though you’ve scored a goal you shouldn’t be physically able to breathe after, you still run like a maniac into every people you see, fucking jump and scream and look like you’ve seen you’re most loved stand up from the grave. Just look at his face, he must be the one with the biggest shock of everyone!!! Pure madness, pure joy… As you said, only word coming close to describing it is mental fuckness!

  6. RedDevilEddy
    November 9, 2011

    Talking about Ryan, he really should do something like this when he retires, only on the football pitch!

  7. colver
    November 9, 2011

    Yeah I guess when you factor in that left footers are a minority it greatly reduces the chances of producing a world class player in that position. But only other players who regularly played in that position in Giggs’ Generation who were in the same league that I can think of are Overmars, Barnes, Robben (as a left winger….nowhere near the same longevity but unplayable at his peak).

    Giggs never really had stand out seasons the way the above guys did. But in terms of consistency and longevity (NOT just in terms of playing at the top level to a ripe age of 37 but ALSO playing at the top level at 17)

    • Moscow is my heaven
      November 10, 2011

      Imagine if we had signed Robben instead of Chelsea. Ronaldo and Robben on the wings for us. The very thought takes my breath away.

      • Fred the Red
        November 10, 2011

        When United were in for Robben many thought that Giggs was on the way out. If my memory serves me right his form was very average at that time. Nonetheless, he was a very good player for United and deserves all the plaudits that he gets. I just think that if you were picking an all time greatest team on talent alone, he certainly would have rivals with more of a shout than the article suggests.

      • Ian
        November 10, 2011

        I understand where you’re coming from but, by definition, the greatest ever will automatically have far more than talent on his side. Yes there may be similarly talented players but none have had his career or served the club the way he has. Yes there’s been ups and down (not just on the pitch!) and he’s suffered dips in form but come on, 885 apps and the most decorated player in the world who’s STILL playing and you suggest it’s not cut & dried.

        You actually sound like you could be Imogen Thomas’ Father! :D

  8. Fred the Red
    November 10, 2011

    Any body putting Giggs in the team I have no problem with. It depends on the criteria you use to judge a players greatness. Personally I go for talent, and in this department even Lee Sharpe was as talented as Giggs, and he did have a few stand out seasons whenever United were not as strong as the teams that Giggs played in. Before Sharpes illness he was a flying machine who had a better passing range and final ball than Giggs.
    Bill Whelan scored and created goals, look at his record and remember he died in his early twenties, what sort of numbers would he have ended up with. Like I said, any body who puts Giggs in have a very strong argument, but dont be thinking that there is not other worthy candidates, there certainly are some players who didnt have the success or longevity of Giggs, but were certainly as talented, in some cases possibly more so.

    And as for none of the Babes rivalling Giggs for greatness,

    Tommy Taylor 191 apps 131 goals, 16 goals from 19 apps for England. Inter Milan offered a then world record fee for him, died at 26.

    Dennis Violett 293 apps 179 goals

    Bobby Charlton 758 apps 249 goals, 49 goals from 106 apps for England,All from a midfield position. World Cup winner and European player of the year.

    I wont even start to describe the esteem that Duncan Edwards was held in.

    • RedDevilEddy
      November 10, 2011

      The history of our club is so strong, so powerful. Sometimes just sitting down and thinking about the history of the club can give me greater pride than anything else. Thank God I’m a United fan!

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