Jul 06
Bordeaux: Obertan wants to play for United
In today’s transfer news, this has clear come out of left field.
According to Bordeaux president, Jean-Louis Triaud, Bordeaux midfielder Gabriel Obertan is on the verge of signing for us.
“There is a very strong likelihood that the deal will go ahead. Manchester United want to sign him and, for our part, we would be delighted to see Gabriel playing for such a prestigious club. We will make the official announcement when the time is right.”
It is odd that a president would be glad to see the back of one of his promising talents. No transfer fee as of now has been known to be agreed. So there is still sometime to go before this deal bears fruition.
He’s a midfielder who can play across the midfield, even as a winger. Obviously for those of us who know little of French football, Youtube is our solace. Here’s a sample of him which shows him to be a little direct player, but clearly isn’t the finished product. However, we’d like feedback from those who follow French football.
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- Part-time gardener to make United debut soon
- Cantona: Domenech’s the worst coach since Louis XVI
- Obertan to make United debut
- Video: Diouf Scores Again for the Reserves
- Reds declare Champions’ League squad: Hargo in, Tosic, de Laet out
Tags: Manchester United Transfer News & Rumours
July 6th, 2009 at 12:31
He is French, anyone knows about his Madrid aspirations?
July 6th, 2009 at 12:33
RR – your headline is very misleading I think. Going back a couple of years, Obertan said “I don’t want to play for Arsenal or Man United, I like Spain and I love Italy. There are very good clubs in Italy with history, and I would love to go to them.” Another frenchman, another lover of Spain/Italy. I have no idea why Fergie keeps chasing those with NO DESIRE to play for us, if they had a choice of Spain and Italy. To be honest, SAF is pissing me off with this
July 6th, 2009 at 12:42
Hello everyone.. this is an interesting read.. on how Madrid can afford the Galacticos 2…
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8094864.stm
July 6th, 2009 at 12:44
You’ve got to admire them for managing such a thing.. Simply Excellent..
July 6th, 2009 at 12:47
Doesn’t seem to be much in the way of end product in the YouTube clip. That always worries me.
July 6th, 2009 at 12:48
The easiest way to get the price up on ANY player is to link him with us, especially at the moment.
July 6th, 2009 at 12:49
Is this part of some masterplan to corner the market in wingers and then sell em off at a profit.
July 6th, 2009 at 13:11
Really off-topic, but hear this:
I left for vacation on Tuesday night/Wednesday morning. I am back today. I’ve been reading the news. What the fuck happened?!?!?
We signed Owen and Franco FC got Benzema? Now we are going after N’Gog version 2 (l’Equipe compares him to the Scouse back-up). Can somebody please point me to logic? I am flabbergasted. Shit Fergie, I thought you had some sense… but Owen?
July 6th, 2009 at 13:18
@Adam Axon: Keep in mind that this vid is from 2006 or early 2007. He’s still had two more years of development from what you see there, so there might be more to him than you see there. Also, he is 1.86m (6′3″) and 80kg (~170 lbs) which is quite big given our current squad size.
July 6th, 2009 at 13:40
@Andrei: I was gonna say, all the people sayign he looks skinny, I thought it was because he looks taller than the rest of them! So if he is 6′3 that explains that.
July 6th, 2009 at 13:49
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSuSnoCYN64
If it weren’t for some woeful finishing he’d have had 5 assists in that match alone. Looks equally as comfortable on either flank. Porbably won’t score alot of goals, but thats what strikers are for!
July 6th, 2009 at 13:51
@Andrei: similar physique to a certain madrid bound striker….
i know Football Manager isn’t accurate to real life… BUT, im sure Henri Saivet plays for Girdoins FC, and he always ends up excellent… winger too.
July 6th, 2009 at 13:52
Also, He looks very good at getting in behind a defence, something we haven’t done much of from the wings as of late, anything less than £15mil and I’ll be happy with that….
July 6th, 2009 at 13:56
@Traverse: Looking at that, he reminds me of Walcott for some weird reason. He’s obviously taller, but has some of the same attributes (good dribbling, good pace, good crossing, weak shot). He also looks strong.
But 15 mil for the guy? I would hit Ferguson with a silver hammer. 10m at most, but I can see us getting him for a bit less than that.
July 6th, 2009 at 13:57
Seems an odd one really he looks to be right footed, so we have Park, Valencia, Obertan and Nani who play on the right hand side, it does not good for Nani which is a shame to say the least.
Why are now obsessed with buying wingers when we really need a centre midfield player, bizarre.
July 6th, 2009 at 13:57
@Will: Similar type of play as well and similar dreams too. Oh well…
As for Saivet, look him up on Youtube…
July 6th, 2009 at 13:58
@Andrei: United tax tho, innit.
July 6th, 2009 at 14:02
@Traverse: Oh yea, forgot about the ‘David-Gill’s-poor-negotiating-skills Tax’
Still I don’t see us paying too much for a fourth choice winger/AMC…
July 6th, 2009 at 14:04
Anybody know the name of the young Serbian kid? The one we bought with Tosic?
July 6th, 2009 at 14:04
@Andrei: You will be amazed mate, Gill can make a £5m player into a £18m player in the blink of an eye, see Anderson for proof!
July 6th, 2009 at 14:05
@Andrei: Do you mean Adem Ljajic??
July 6th, 2009 at 14:05
Am I crazy If I say this signing is even more surprising than signing Owen? We’re stocking up on too much wingers imo. Nani, Park, Tosic, this guy and Welbeck who could play there too. Does anyone know more about him besides the fact that he looks like a white Lewis Hamilton and youtube clips?
July 6th, 2009 at 14:10
@Stephen: I know… I wasn’t being sarcastic
@Stephen: That’s the guy! Just forgot his name is all.
@Rd: Like I said before, L’Equipe is comparing his situation to David N’Gog… I hope this guy is better (he can’t really be worse).
Also about the wings, yea we have plenty of players but no class. With the possible exception of Valencia, we have no finished product. Tosic and Wellbeck are a while away from being first team players. Nani is a while away from being United quality. Park is a defender (sort of).
July 6th, 2009 at 14:15
@Andrei: Gill isn’t exactly Kevin Spacey aa la The Negotiator is he?
July 6th, 2009 at 14:32
FAO: Dan,(from previous thread)You post at the caf mate? what’s your name there? I’m still in the newbs with a neg rep.
I’m hoping to see you up in the mains soon.
About obertan, No. Hell No. And no way in hell. I’d rather have Douglas (LWM-AMF) He’s what we need.
July 6th, 2009 at 14:39
If we’ve (allegedy) missed out on Ribery, why oh why are we not going for Ashley Young. Fergie should be heading down to Villa Park in his bentley, stufing him in his boot and on his way back picking up Tevez and dumping him at Eastlands.
July 6th, 2009 at 14:40
@Cyclops-Red: He was poor the second half of the season mate and would cost a fortune.
July 6th, 2009 at 14:41
The comparison with Ngog is about how Obertan might be plucked from French league obscurity to a big English club, not the way they play.
July 6th, 2009 at 14:56
@Stephen: Have you seen Villas squad? No cover at LW, so Ash had to play almost every game the whole season. Despite that he was obviously tired after playing 30 games before January, he came up with vital goals and assists. He is probably the best winger in England right now, he is english and he is young. If United actually go for Young I would be delighted!
July 6th, 2009 at 15:01
@RedDevilEddy: I wouldn’t say he is better than Joe Cole mate and Walcott on his day is certainly better, at Villa I would prefer Agbonlahor, and really do wee need another right sided winger!!!???
July 6th, 2009 at 15:07
Any truth, perhaps I might say hope as well, that Yaya Toure is set to join us?
The Daily Mail has been reporting that today.
July 6th, 2009 at 15:09
Obertan broke into the Bordeaux side in 2006-07 and spent half of last season on loan at Lorient. He played 16 times for the Ligue 1 champions in the first half of the 2008-09 campaign and scored one goal in 15 games for Lorient.so we can see not much of goal threat from midfield.we need a attacking goal scorer from midfield.
he is also linked with arsenal,ac milan and inter.
July 6th, 2009 at 15:09
Here’s the link to the Toure report:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1197695/Fergie-plots-Toure-United-seek-Hargreaves-void.html
July 6th, 2009 at 15:11
@Stephen: Ashley young’s a left-sided player.
July 6th, 2009 at 15:12
@Stephen: Walcott cant cross the ball, and Joe Cole is not even close to Ashley Youngs ability to change a game. He is a showboater, but I wont say he is a good crosser. As for Young, he is a left winger. I dont think Ive seen him play a single game for Villa at RW, even though he did so a few times at Watford…
Neither Walcott, Cole, Riera, Pienaar, Milner or Lennon are better than Young. I will also claim that I think Young and Rooney would be a better partnership than Ronaldo and Benzema will be at Real…
July 6th, 2009 at 15:13
@nafooy: I would be delighted if Yaya joined us. He is a great player, and we need a hard ass tackler in midfield. So I say YeYeah to Yaya!
July 6th, 2009 at 15:14
@tevez:@RedDevilEddy: He is right footed though boys, I know he plays out on the left but we have plenty of that type, especially if we sign Obertan.
July 6th, 2009 at 15:15
Oh and by the way, can somenone shed some light on the Hargreaves situation.
I mean why is the club so discreet about it. Either he’s good to feature next season, or not!
I fear that the only logical explanation is that he ain’t ready just yet. Also, declaring that he still has not recovered might mean further inflation of prices for potential subs?
July 6th, 2009 at 15:17
He doesn’t like paella(ok, complete lie) but his favourite player is/was a certain Frenchman who played for us at no.7.
July 6th, 2009 at 15:32
@nafooy: They don’t know yet. He’s being eased into training, and as long as there are no setbacks and his knees have recovered at the rate they think they will then he’ll be fine. They won’t know until he starts crunching in for tackles or running flat out how he is going to be at the end of it all.
I think they are pretty confident about him, especially as we didn’t rival Spurs for Palacios in January.
July 6th, 2009 at 15:36
I’m quite keen on this obertan guy, he’s quick, strong, good with his feet. As i have said countless times on redrants, we are a rich club and even though 10-13 mil on this guy is way to pricey, its not the end of the world if he is a flop. My worry is that wesley snejider, (mind my spelling) de rossi, aguero ect are all not going to be available by the time we try and bid for them because some other team might have snapped them up. We need to start acting quickly, so our new players have time bonding with the squad during the summer when the football season hasn’t begun yet. I’m not a fan of yayayaya because he is slow and has the worst agility i have ever seen on a human being, i think we need a smaller midfielder, lower gravity sort of player (like de rossi or snejder) who isnt afraid of going into tackles. For our striking options, hunter is out of the option cause we got owen and fergie is probably thinking of getting a mid or wide player.
PLZZZZ give the latest transfer gossip on this thread, cheers
July 6th, 2009 at 15:42
@Stephen: Maybe nani’s leaving. All our wingers can play down either side. Valencia’s alright but park and tosic aren’t strong, quality wingers. If nani goes we will be really lacking on the wings. Even if he stays, if he gets used as little as he did last season we’ll be lacking.
July 6th, 2009 at 15:45
@Stephen: He is right footed, but he plays on the left wing. Just like Ribery who plays on the left, and Robben who often plays on the right. Wingers are more dangerous of they have the possibility of cutting inside to take a shot and or go outside and cross. Which makes Messi, Ronaldo and Ribery some of the best players in the world, their unpredictbaility and confidence. Besides, Ash is very good on his left foot so he would get some crosses in with that foot.
July 6th, 2009 at 15:46
@tevez: I agree mate, but my concern is in the centre of the park, we really need a top draw player in there either a holder or a player who can chip in with a few goals, because for me it is disjointed, Carrick is the only player obviously bar Hargreaves who I would be happy to see start week in week out for me it is our weakest area.
July 6th, 2009 at 15:46
I have seen some games in this Toulon International Youth Tournament and in France squad he was the best, the most creative player in terms of chances – dangerman of this France squad. Compared to N´gog he was superb, N´gog was shit and against U23 players it isnt goog for him. Obertan is very very fast and that is his main quality – but i dont think its enough for United and 10 mil. for him its too much. And he is too tiny, PL defenders will kill him.
Ashley Young – get him!!!
United legend for future.
July 6th, 2009 at 15:50
@RedDevilEddy: Mate is is very one footed and always wants to cut in, but a top talent I will say and would be happy if we bought him but would feel for Nani.
July 6th, 2009 at 15:51
Reason to get another winger
Fergie think Park > Nani
We think Park >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Park
July 6th, 2009 at 15:52
@Traverse: Palacios was never on SAF’s radar I think at least. If that were true I really think the gaffer might have stole him from under the nose of Spurs. Besides, at that period Hargreaves’ injury was at it’s worst. Remember the set back he had.
But here’s the thing, what harm can it cause if we sign a second DM. We bloody need one.
And while we’re at it, perhaps sign a DM with a strong presence and some leadership traits. An aspect we all dearly miss after the departure of Keano.
Boy do I miss his stubberness and attitude. I bet Viera doesn’t though. Classic Keano.
July 6th, 2009 at 15:54
@RedDevilEddy: Okey, something really went wrong with that comment…
“Park >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Park”
Short version, we should get a new winger because Fergie might prefer Park over Nani and we dont want Park to start instead of a real winger so it is vital that either Silva, Young or Ribery comes because I dont believe Obertan is good enough just yet.
July 6th, 2009 at 15:57
@RedDevilEddy: It looks that way to me what i have seen on Youtube which obviously is no real gage, and he went on loan last season which is odd to say the least, why loan a 19 year old out if he is deemed “United quality”?
July 6th, 2009 at 15:58
@Stephen: We all want Nani to succeed, but as far as we know Fergie might prefer Park over him. And if this team is going to become like we think its gonna be, fluid with lots of crosses, Park cannot be the winger on the other side of Valencia. Whether its Silva, Ribery or Young, just as long as we get a real winger! Still, if we got Young I would be absolutely delighted!
July 6th, 2009 at 15:59
@RedDevilEddy: Silva, Young and ribery are our best targets for this summer because no offense to parky, he isn’t a winger, he isn’t a central midfielder, he isn’t anything!! I think i wld prefer silva to ashely because he is more cultured and experienced in a different league so he cld bring a new option to us.
July 6th, 2009 at 16:04
@RedDevilEddy: But Young isn’t a crosser especially if he plays wide left, he is more suited to a 4-3-3 and personally I think we go 4-4-2 next season with more emphasis on getting balls in the box for, and I still can’t believe I am typing this word OWEN!
Young is more of an inside left who cuts in and runs a players very exciting but can’t see Fergie going for that type, he will be a great signing but don’t believe it will happen.
July 6th, 2009 at 16:10
I wonder where our resident Ligue 1 expert, NicoQB, is.
Perhaps he could throw some light on him. I’ve heard a bit about him before (as in he’s not a complete unknown name for me) but I can’t really say one way or the other about him.
July 6th, 2009 at 16:17
@Stephen: Well if Young isnt a crosser then how is it possible that he has averaged more than 10 assists per season since he arrived at Villa?
Like I said, what makes the best wingers are that they are unpredictable when with the ball. They can beat an opponent and then pick a shot or a cross, which fools defenders.
Silva would be an awsome signing, if I could put up my transfer targets(realistic) it would be in this order:
1. A. Young
2. Silva
3. Toure
4. Palacios
5. Sneijder
July 6th, 2009 at 16:18
@stephen:
That’s exactly the type of player Fergie likes. Can play on either side, comfortable with cutting inside and interchanging with central players.
Also he can score from wide, his record isn’t great(9 goals last season but loads of assists). So I can’t see why he cannt play in any system;
4-4-1-1, 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3.
July 6th, 2009 at 16:23
@Merlinus: The real truth behind their ability to do this is a ridiculous banking system in Spain that is willing to lend them over 200 million Euros in order for them to do what they need to do. It’s like the banks are Real Madrid fans and want to see Barcelona defeated. It’s scandalous. Lax tax laws and shelters also give them money to be be able to buy whereas in England, teams and players are taxed to the max.
Madrid have gone into severe debt and it’s a risk if say for example they were not to make next season’s Champions League. That won’t happen but wouldn’t it be nice if it did? They will be able to pay these loans off with more ease than United is paying their loans off but then again, buying all these players hasn’t exactly secured their very leaky defense and so I still feel that if player’s under perform or get injured, Real’s dream could implode in their face. Wishful thinking, but then again, nobody five years ago expected the problems at Liverpool and especially Valencia either.
July 6th, 2009 at 16:27
@RedDevilEddy: Mate he is hardly an old fashioned winger that is what I was trying to put over, he cuts in and is not renowned for getting chalk on his boots and wipping in crosses.
@Cyclops-Red: Maybe I just don’t think it will happen I can’t see Villa selling and if they did the fee would be enormous.
The only way I can see it happen is if Nani is sold which knowing us we would give him away for a funsize Mars bar without giving the lad a chance, so maybe that is why I am somewhat down on Young and really believe the centre of midfield is a more pressing area we need to look at.
July 6th, 2009 at 16:29
@Merlinus: Sorry but there is absolutely nothing to admire at all. They have gone into a very severe debt and borrowed heavily from Spanish banks who are unwilling to advance other clubs in need of help a line of credit. They are scandalously close tot he banks in Spain as well as the Royal family and government. They get special breaks and privileges other clubs don’t get. They are disgusting in what they are able to get away with and on top of that, they break every rule in the book tapping up players and spreading their filth and pollution throughout world football. UEFA and FIFA are in their back pockets as a blind eye is always turned when Madrid makes an unethical or shady move. They are the worse thing to ever happen to football and are slowly destroying the economic fiber of the sport and are the instigators of the separatist movement who want a European Super League. Even more of an an enigma as to why FIFA and UEFA love them so.
Unscrupulous, unethical, deceitful, disgusting and uncontrollable. Run by misanthropes.
July 6th, 2009 at 16:38
This Obertan kid is yet more proof of my theory that Nani is being phased out of OT. This kid can’t shine Nani’s boots but for some inexplicable reason, Fergie is interested in the punk who cherishes Spanish and Italian football. I have watched him play in only a few matches as Bordeaux is not a must watch team for me and in both cases he was not good enough to start but came off the bench and did sweet fuck all. He’s not even that fast and as RR, said he is a direct player which means he needs quickness and speed to survive and I see him doing little to beat French opponents. EPL opponents are much tougher and I see him being a mega failure. I see another Tosic here. Fuck Fergie is losing his mind, it’s clear to me now. This kid is worthless, believe me. I don’t worry about losing him to a big Spanish club because he’s not good enough nor will he ever be good enough for them.
July 6th, 2009 at 16:38
Grognard
You’re not referring, by any chance, to the Real Citeh?
July 6th, 2009 at 16:42
@Stephen: Ferguson never implemented the AC Milan style of play only to desert it now. Forget crossing and old style 4-4-2 play. It’s a thing of the past. United play continental football these days and like forwards who run with the ball and who attack the box from the outside and aren’t dependent on wide service. He wants wingers like Young who have the ability to cut in and shoot or pass.
July 6th, 2009 at 16:48
@Stephen: ¨Why would it mean that Nani would be sold? Right now we only have 3 wingers, and we need at least 4. When Ronny was out last season Wazza had to cover, remember? And I dont want that to happen, so whether its Young or Silva I dont care so much as long as we get a top class winger. And for the record, that French guy seems shite… Havent seen him play many games, but if he is loaned out from Bordoux then how good can he possibly be?! And from what Ive seen from Tosic, he sucks! May not even be Championship quality, far away from United!
And I think Villa would sell for £20 mill-£25 mill. English players always cost a lot, and we have got the money. I dont think he is worth more than that, but we should really put in a bid for him.
July 6th, 2009 at 16:48
@Grognard: Why bring in Owen and Valencia if Owen ran with the ball he would trip over it, and Valencia has only scored 7 goals in something like 4 years?
I agree with your points but those two are not really suited to that type of play, Owen comes alive in the box and Valencia is best running at fullbacks and crossing.
July 6th, 2009 at 16:48
@Cyclops-Red: Fuck Man Shitty. They are total pretenders because they are a team with no great history and no pedigree. If you want to attract the best young players (under 26) in the world you need to be a top contending team with aspirations in the Champions League. Nobody of any real quality under the age of 27 is interested in coming to Shitty so all their money is meaningless. They will buy unwanted players, retreads and outcasts or just plain washed up superstars on their last legs.
Their owners were hoping to create another Chelsea as the Blues were nothing also before Abramovich showed up. The difference is they play in London one of the biggest and most prestigious cities in the world. That is a selling point to players. United survive because of the reputation we have as a team that was built first by Sir Matt Busby and then further perfected by Fergie. Had Fergie had only moderate success in his tenure, we would be looking like Aston Villa or Everton right now. Good, but not good enough and certainly not good enough to afford or attract big name talent. And even this season, we are struggling to do that. Forget Man City, they are a joke that has very little lasting power before their owners get bored, sell and move on.
July 6th, 2009 at 16:50
@RedDevilEddy: We have Nani, Valencia, Tosic, Park and lets say Obertan I agree in your points but we have 5 already on our books and Hargo has played out there also.
Fergie will give Tosic a run next season rightly or wrongly and I can only see a move for Young if Nani is sold.
July 6th, 2009 at 16:51
Forget Obertan, he is a useless git. I am more concerned about these rumors about Yaya Toure and Ashley Young. I really want us to get Toure. That believe is the missing link to our future success. As for Young, believe me he is English and will be over priced. Besides, i think he is overrated and ran out of gas completely in the second half last year. Finally, I hate all players with girly names like Ashley.
July 6th, 2009 at 16:52
I’m all for the policy of spending wisely. IMO spending part of the money on young up-and-coming talent, bargains like Vidic & Evra but there comes a time for risk. Spending 20-25 m on Young is a calculated risk because he has had two full seasons of PL experience.He is still only 23 and £80m in the bank is only gathering dust.
July 6th, 2009 at 16:53
@Stephen: I so agree!
July 6th, 2009 at 16:55
@Grognard: I would love Toure and I had Ashley Cole so we park our cars in the same garage mate!
@Craig Mc:
July 6th, 2009 at 16:55
@Stephen: Wrongly in my opinion!
July 6th, 2009 at 16:56
@grognard
You dismiss “the bitters” at you peril. With the sort of spending power they have at their disposal its inevitable they will at least break into the top four within two years.
July 6th, 2009 at 16:58
@Craig Mc: Same here mate, I want to see him get a run of at least 8 games at the start of next season, he has so much quality and just needs games!!! Like all wingers you can’t give them the odd game here and there.
July 6th, 2009 at 16:59
@Stephen:
Tosic- Conference quality
Park- If he is a winger I am Chinese
Obertan- I am all for going youth, but that guy is shit! No speed, no control and he doesnt seem to manage a cross.
That leaves Nani and Valencia, plus Hargo who is actually a defensive midfielder. But what if Nani or Tony gets injured? And they wont manange to play like Ronaldo, three games in a week. So a winger is a must, and it should be a top class player. Im not saying Ribery or Messi or Robben, but it should be one with United quality as wide men have been the most vital players in Uniteds history. Ronaldo, Becks, Best… Valencia and Nani are a good pair, but like I said I fear it will be Valencia and Park. Which is why we need a new winger, cause Park is shit in my mind…
July 6th, 2009 at 17:03
judging from the youtube clip, this kid is nothing special. Its pretty bad when you have zero assist or goals in a highlight reel. If we buy this kid for anything over 5m were are getting fleeced.
July 6th, 2009 at 17:05
@RedDevilEddy: Park does as Harry Rednapp would say does a “job”.
He has no quality whatsoever but he is a decent squad player, but should never be considered as a starter, Tosic doesn’t look up to scratch as a gust of wind probably would blow him over, Obertan I am with you if he was good why would he be loaned out of the French league?
I still believe the centre of midfield is the most important area, but lets see what happens becuase after Owen signing I can believe in anything.
July 6th, 2009 at 17:07
@Stephen: There are too many people on this blog and by this indication too many football fans of Manchester United who do not understand the game fully. They watch the game but they do not really understand what they are seeing strategically or tactically. They have been brought up watching old style direct English football done to perfection in 4-4-2, with hard running and wide players crossing the ball in to tall poaching targets in the box. I say to these fans, no I plead to these fans to WAKE THE FUCK UP ALREADY for Christ’s sake.
How stupid can people be? Manchester United have been fully engrossed and embedded in a new tactical system of play that is a hybrid of English and European football for almost three years now. It really took hold with both coaches and players last season where we actually lost the English part of the game. It’s no longer a hybrid as much as it’s totally continental and more precisely Italian in nature. Slow ball control buildup, with bursts and plenty of even paced counter attacks. Today we play 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 or 4-2-2-2 or even 4-1-2-1-2 diamond. Long gone is the old style 4-4-2.
What is it going to take to educated the masses in the fact that we no longer play English style football and thus, our requirements for players has also changed. Note to fans, there is a reason why we no longer go out for the Stewart Downing’s, David Bentley’s and David Beckham type’s who are only really known for their crossing in live play. Those are old school English style players. Fergie is more into wingers who dribble a lot, cut in a lot and shoot or pass. Long direct balls and crosses is not what we are about any longer. It just amazes me how many people still feel that is what we are doing or what we should be doing.
Fergie is obsessed with winning the Champions League. Nothing else matters. And he has changed the chemistry, look and feel of our team in order to accomplish this mission. Playing traditional English football has been for the most part a failure for him in Europe and with Arsenal, Liverpool and especially Chelsea adapting to more European styles over the past decade, he has had to alter our style of play to contain those team and to give us the needed edge. So to some of you out there, I am not calling you stupid, just blindly ignorant to the facts. Please wake up and realize that the game you grew up with is gone. What we have here is a new world order of tactics and styles and we all need to recognize it and adapt to it or forever feel frustrated over our team’s inability to play like old school United teams.
July 6th, 2009 at 17:09
Im starting to think fergie is working on something big right now. He is quietly lining up a monster bid for a player like Kun. I know it sounds like wishful thinking but I just refuse to belive that fergie who knows his squad better than anyone cant see the obvious holes in it. He iwll address the midfield by getting a toure or what not and then I think he will go for one more big signing.
July 6th, 2009 at 17:14
@ryscho: TINY??? He’s supposedly 6ft 2in. What you looking for mate, 7 foot giants
. I want SAF to go out and bloody well get a couple of VERY EXCELLENT PROVEN PLAYERS. Is that too bloody much to ask? There isn’t a pro in the country, and very few United fans, who believe that our MF isnt poor in comparison to other top teams and needs sorting out. If Fergie can’t see this, I despair!
July 6th, 2009 at 17:14
@Cyclops-Red: Not worried about them whatsoever. Like Madrid, they are obsessed with finding stars in their front line but unlike Madrid, they don’t have the drawing power to get them. Even players like Eto’o and Terry who are on their last legs and on the wrong side of 26 don’t want to play for them. They will have to settle for the castoffs, the over the hill and the overrated. And wouldn’t it be nice if they actually signed some defenders too. My God how shitty can you get when your best defender is a useless git named Richard Dunne?
I spit on Man City and in doing so elevate their net worth.
July 6th, 2009 at 17:16
@johnsom33: He could be working on a Yaya Toure deal but I think that is as big as it gets. Kun is not in his plans I’m afraid. God how I wish I was wrong about that.
July 6th, 2009 at 17:19
or fergie is going to be a selfish bastard and keep the money and not spend any of it lol
July 6th, 2009 at 17:26
@Grognard
Fair play, hopefully the bitters are a mere irration like the chelski
July 6th, 2009 at 17:28
@johnsom33: +1
yea i wonder if we are just going to spend abt 40m on young players that are showing promise then loan them out durring the year and try to sell them for a profit then buy aguero silva next yr? cuz these guys dont look better than what we have presently.
@RedDevilEddy: please please saf play nani the boy just needs reassurance and his confidence will come up. i wonder what saf sat him so much for last season? I would love to see him and ando have breakout years and pick up the slack of ronaldo. If ando could pop his cherry and start to give us an attacking threat and nani could settle into the wing we really dont need anyone eltse… that is unless hargo is done.(touch wood)
July 6th, 2009 at 17:34
@gator: If I could feel sure that Fergie had belief enough in Nani to play him instead of Park in the majority of games I wouldnt think we needed a new winger. But I dont like Park starting every game, its annoying and frustrating watching him do the job he does ON THE WING!
He cant cross, dribble, run at opponents or finish. Which is exactly what wingers need…
July 6th, 2009 at 17:37
@johnsom33: Gill and SAF are the Kings at getting fleeced Bro
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July 6th, 2009 at 17:38
@RedDevilEddy: He is very good at landing on his arse though
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July 6th, 2009 at 17:45
@Grognard: You mean the new world of football, that puts people into deep comas from boredom
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July 6th, 2009 at 18:00
@Craig Mc: He is, isnt he?
July 6th, 2009 at 18:03
Lee Martin has signed for Ipswich Town. That makes us one winger less… So if you guys havent realised, Fergie only waited to sell Martin before he went for Young. That is a FACHT!
July 6th, 2009 at 18:07
AC Milan have just tabled bids for Fabiano and the Hunter
July 6th, 2009 at 18:09
“1740: Staying with the big news, this time from Italy, as AC Milan confirm they have tabled bids for Real Madrid striker Klaas-Jan Huntelaar and Sevilla forward Luis Fabiano…”‘
Looks like the Hunter wont be playing in United red next season… Sorry Grog.
July 6th, 2009 at 18:24
@Craig Mc: That’s the one. Because entertainment means nothing in this day and age. All that matters to people is winning. Winning defines everything in this day and age. And I for one am sick of it but find that I too am pulled by it sometimes.
July 6th, 2009 at 18:26
@RedDevilEddy: I never expected us to ever go after him anyway. But I have instantly become an AC Milan fan. Huntelaar, Beckham and Inzaghi are all players I like a great deal.
July 6th, 2009 at 18:33
@Grognard: Becks is back in LA mate.
Although I must admit I like the thought of Gattusso, Pato, Ronaldinho and Huntelaar in the same team… 
July 6th, 2009 at 18:45
@johnsom33: I think that video is a couple of years old. He was off on loan last season so none of that was last year….
July 6th, 2009 at 18:45
I think it’s entirely possible that United are taking a “2nd bid” stategy into this transfer window.
Instead of over pricing a player with an initial bid, they could be allowing other teams to set the value and then counter with something that is closer to their own valuation.
Seemed to me that they approached the Benzema deal this way, and from what I gather, it almost came off for them!!
July 6th, 2009 at 18:47
“Barcelona player Yaya Toure was seen in Manchester on Monday evening. He went to United`s training groud Carrington and practiced with the English team, including new signing Michael Owen. When training was finished reporters went to ask Toure what he was doing at United`s training ground, but to their dissapoitment it was only the brasillian Anderson who had gone bald. He sung the praises of new signing Michael Owen, calling him the pride of English football. Apparantley reporters had been fooled by believing Anderson was Yaya Toure, following his head looking different and because he was playing like the worlds best midfielder.”
July 6th, 2009 at 18:49
Its raining…
Oh how I wished I lived in Manchester, Oslo is boring when its this kind of weather.
July 6th, 2009 at 18:52
Worlds best midfielders:
1. Michael Essien
2. Andres Iniesta
3. Xavi
4. Steven Gerrard
5. Daniele De Rossi
July 6th, 2009 at 18:54
Worlds best goalkeepers:
1. Iker Casillias
2. Gianluigi Buffon
3. Julio Cæsar
4. Igor Akinfeev
5. Manuel Neuer
9,264,854,973. Manuel Almuina
July 6th, 2009 at 18:55
@Grognard: Shows how much you know about Spanish football…
Here we go : PEREZ is a Genius!
The man is worth 2 billion. He is the 397th richest man in the world.
So anybody who says he does not know anything about handling finances, knows NOTHING. He took over a small broken down construction company and tht company is now the biggest company in Spain. When Perez took over Madrid, they were the 18th richest club in the world. In 2 years -[2 YEARS]- they shot above Manchester United.
In 2000 real had elections … madrid had jus won 2 champions leagues and 1 league in last 3 years … yet perez promised the bernabeu faithful he’ll make real madrid the richest and improve revenues , buy the best player in the world and humiliate barcelona … fans voted him in …
july 5th 2000 – figo – ” i will never play for madrid. i love barcelona and i m the captain. how could i leave this club ”
july 14th – ” Real Madrid CF sign the worl player of the year and barcelona captain luis figo for 37 m pounds ( world record ) deal “
barca president – ” nobody has ever insulted me so badly . i will remember this and i will pay him back ”
perez sells real’s training ground to the govt for a highly inflated price ..
why ? cos he has big contacts in the govt of not jus spain but all of europe ..
then real win the league in 2001 and figo is tortured when he goes to nou camp … the sound recorded was enuf to sink a jet plane AND A PIG’s HEAD was thrown at him …
come end of season .. florentino perez promises to sign the best player in the world zidane ..
juventus – “real madrid can do all they want . we will not sell someone like zidane . zidane is a juventus player and will remain so at any cost”
zidane – “it s my childhood dream to play for real madrid . I would leave if real madrid reach an agreement”
(A little parallel to present day!
)
a week later – real madrid CF reach an agreement for capture of zidane for record 76 m euros ( which is more than what was paid for kaka ) back in 2001 ..
2002 was real madrid’s 100th year ..
during the presentation perez said ” zidane is someone born to play for real madrid. and his signing in 100th year of the club is very positive “..
zidane ” president i believe you payed too much for me . i m not worth that much ” …
may 2002 – zidane volleys home the greatest champions league goal of all time to make real madrid 9 time european champions and fifa award real madrid ” the greatest club of the 20th century award ” ( most prestigious award there is ) ..
zidane shud have won the ballon d or but does not, as ronaldo has a stunning world cup after recuperating from a 2 year leg break ..
Next, perez signs ronaldo for 52 m euros ..
real madrid hammer every team there is in the league … ronaldo wins the pichichi award in his first season. .. “real maul United” …
after 2003 .. having won 2 leagues n 1 european cup and having all the best players in the world … real are now the richest in the world … the whole world bows to them and perez is hailed as the mastermind ..
…(has to mentioned that the football on display was some of the best ever witnessed in history )…
July 6th, 2009 at 18:57
@RedDevilEddy:
1)iniesta
2)essien
3)xavi
4)de rossi
5)gerrard
July 6th, 2009 at 18:59
Worlds best defenders:
1. Nemanja Vidic
2. Rio Ferdinand
3. Ricardo Carvalho
4. John Terry
5. Chiellini
July 6th, 2009 at 18:59
@Grognard: Well I look forward then to the Manager of a team, ANY TEAM, that takes a chance, PLAYS ENTERTAINING FOOTBALL, and still wins. Where is that Manager eh?
July 6th, 2009 at 19:00
@RedDevilEddy: As proved in the CL – NOT
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July 6th, 2009 at 19:01
World best right backs:
1. Maicon
2. Sergio Ramos
3. Dani Alves
4. Wes Brown
5. ???
July 6th, 2009 at 19:02
@Craig Mc: I seriously couldnt come up with any other good CBs…
July 6th, 2009 at 19:05
Worlds best left backs:
1. Philip Lahm
2. Abidal
3. Patty Evra
Any suggestions?
July 6th, 2009 at 19:05
@RedDevilEddy:
A lump of shit>>>>>>>ramos>alves.
At least ramos took a touch, if it was alves, he would of dummied it to dempsey(ConCup semi final).
July 6th, 2009 at 19:07
Worlds best wingers:
1. Cristiano Ronaldo
2. Lionel Messi
3. Franck Ribery
4. David Silva
5. Ashley Young
July 6th, 2009 at 19:08
@Merlinus: Errrrr when did Real maul United, maybe in the away leg, but in the home leg we beat them, and IF SAF hadn’t have been so bloody pighead-edly stubborn and played Becks from the beginning, Real would have been out of the European CL for certain. If that is the year you are talking about. Fergie was vexed with Becks, and he cost us big time with his vexation
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July 6th, 2009 at 19:09
Worlds best strikers:
1. Fernando Torres
2. David Villa
3. Samuel Etoo
4. Wayne Rooney
5. Sergio Aguero
July 6th, 2009 at 19:09
@Dan:
Couldnt come up with any else… Thought of Rafael, Richards and Bosingwa, but changed my mind. 
July 6th, 2009 at 19:12
@merlinus
He sold makelele. Financial genius maybe, football genius, no.
July 6th, 2009 at 19:13
@Craig Mc: Barcelona. His name is Pep Guardiola…
July 6th, 2009 at 19:14
@RedDevilEddy: Eddi are you drunk mate?
How did Skinned sausage get in your best left backs in the world.?
July 6th, 2009 at 19:16
@Merlinus: That guy, and the fans of Real Madrid, should be ashamed of what if happening there. Financial genious, maybe. But he is a total fuck up and I think he is the creater of the Edit mode of football manager. He will optimally fail again this summer, Real will be broken by Barcelona, and then, United in the Champions League. If United could get a hard ass midfielder and a left winger/have faith in Nani, there would be nothign stopping us. Absolutely nothing! So Real can actualy fuck off, shameful. SHAME! DISGRACE!!!
July 6th, 2009 at 19:17
@Craig Mc: Got anybody else mate?
July 6th, 2009 at 19:17
@Craig Mc: Should have placed myself in there, eh?
July 6th, 2009 at 19:19
@Dan: Nobody, and I mean, NOBODY!, is better than Essien. If the Ghanian Bull could stay injury free for a whole season, he could easily win WPOTY. He is a fucking monster, and in my mind the bet player in the world.
July 6th, 2009 at 19:20
@RedDevilEddy:
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July 6th, 2009 at 19:21
@Grognard:
Now :
Perez could have easily been the best president in History of Football.. But there was one small flaw..
He interfered too much in footballing aspect of the club..
//Continuing from the above post (had to take a leak)..
then .. the coach vicente del bosque’s contract runs out … perez refuses to sign any defensive players despite the coach’s insistence that the defense was very weak ..
on top of that perez says ” we need a change in style . we shud play a more expansive game. ” … hires carlos quieroz from manchester united as coach of real madrid ..
buys beckham for 40 m euros ..
inspite of already having figo for that position .. since beckham wud sky rocket revenues ..
starts real madrid tv ..
commercial contracts soar to an all time high ..
PROBLEM :>
,
..makalele is paid 1/10th of team mates despite being one of the most imp players … a one man defense who had been bailing them out last 5 years ..
sells makalele to chelsea for peanuts refusing to raise salary of a ” defensive player ” ..
he says ” we will not miss makalele, he lacks technique, skill to take the ball past an opponent. he cant score . he passes sideways or backwards for a maximum of 5 – 10 yards ” …
plays beckham as central midfielder … sells morientes on loan to monaco and refuses to add a clause that wud block morientes from playing against real …
despite all this , real madrid hammer every team in their way …
.. are now demolishing teams at will … winning games 5 -3 and 6 – 2 etc ..
then …
march 2004 … real lead table by 15 points with 7 games remaining … quarters of copa del rey and semi final of champions league against monaco …
real lose all the remaining games to end the season 3rd !!!..
..real lose the copa del rey to some lowly team ..
..perez fires quiroz ..
..and hires vanderlei luxombergo ..
.. still no defensive signings ..
..signs former european player of the year michael owen ..
..raul is not played outta position ..
..ego clashes in the team..
..real end trophyless again ..
..perez fires coach
.. appoints guus hiddink ..
. fires him 2 months later ..
.. hires n fires beenhakker in 2 months ..
.. hires a manger for 23 days n fires him ..
barcelona defeat real madrid 3 – 0 at the bernabeu … profits are still high but the sporting institution is a mess ..
barca win the double ..
also he cud have bought ronaldinho instead of beckham ..
When dinho was offered he refused to sign him because ” RONALDINHO LOOKED UGLY ” .. that was the FREAKING REASON!!! ..
They don’t sign defenders (Cannavaro was odd exception because he was poster boy and good looks
)..
then perez resigns saying ” club need a change in direction ” …
………………………………………………………..
..2009 perez returns as barca win treble and maul real madrid 6 -2 at the bernabeu …
…says ” i will accomplish in one year wht i wud usually take 3 years ” …
…”"”i have learnt a few lessons “”"”….
..makes sensible signings ..
.. as always buys superstars..
(Signing of albiol is an improvement.. he has realised his mistake..)
..makes real madrid the world’s most talked about team … and all the grandeur tht comes with it …
..so as i said … he cud have been the greatest president of all time ..
..but he ruined it for himself ..
..But now is the second coming of THE MAN!!!…
..With a difference …
and why is he doing all this ?
…cos he s a real madrid fan who wants to recreate the days of de stefano and puskas and amancia and gento …
..i hope u know who santiago bernabeu is …
he s the greatest man in real madrid’s history …
..it ll take a miracle to ever equal that ..
..jus incase u didnt know the team of de stefano puskas etc won 5 european cups in a row and 7 league titles in a row !! …
..even now perez says i m jus trying to do what de stefano and santiago bernabeu did ..
..the best part is this …
..de stefano signed for barcelona ..
..
.. but real GOT him for themselves
..THEY ARE A MONSTER OF A CLUB.. RUN EXCELLENTLY AND TRULY DESERVE EVERYONE OF THE GALACTICOS..
Now just Don’t be Spiteful of Real Madrid and throw shit their way just because of Envy!..
Perez IS A GENIUS!!…
He plays F.M. in ‘real’ life ..
..at the end of the day …
he s a fan who loves real madrid … but also happens to the be biggest corporate giant of spain …
END OF….
July 6th, 2009 at 19:21
Best players in the world:
1. Michael Essien
2. Cristiano Ronaldo
3. Andres Iniesta
4. Leo Messi
5. Xavi
July 6th, 2009 at 19:23
@RedDevilEddy: Michael Essien is probably the best player in his role. But best player in the world? Smoke much?
July 6th, 2009 at 19:27
“…Good wine is like having the virgin mary pissing in your throat…”
-Eric Cantona
July 6th, 2009 at 19:28
@RedDevilEddy: oye eddy! i’ll have anderson number one on the list above ronaldo..
July 6th, 2009 at 19:28
@merlinus
History will repeat itself. Perez claims he has realised h made mistakes but hubris will consume him.
July 6th, 2009 at 19:28
@Red Ranter: Only my own socks, the other stuff can kill me.
No, I honestly think Essien is the best player in the world. Maybe that is because me myself I am a DM, and I see aspects in his game that are just perfect. Positioning, strength, shooting, tackling, vision and passing. He is just the ultimate player in my mind, and I wanna be just like him. May be biased, cause I grew up basing my game on Keano. Essien is an incredible player, and I learn much of my play from him. My God, how I wish he had signed for United…
July 6th, 2009 at 19:28
Merlinus are you a real madrid fan?
July 6th, 2009 at 19:29
RR..
Sorry about the monster post, above 
July 6th, 2009 at 19:32
@ROOOOONEY: I’m a fan of United and Madrid, now i know thats Unique
.. BUT don’t come after me just cause i’m a two club man 
.. most of you are… 
July 6th, 2009 at 19:32
@Merlinus: MY! FUCKING! GOD!!!
Mate, how the fuck do you know these things?! And dont fucking say Internet, cause you will really dissapoint me. 
Can you become my history teacher? 
Hopefully history will repeat itself, only this time Real wont win any trophies in 2009/10. Ive made a huuuuge bet with my friends, and I really dont wanna lose. You see, not everybody deserves the honour of watching my p*****.
July 6th, 2009 at 19:33
@Merlinus: I think you mean they are insufferable cunts. Must have been a spelling mistake on your part.
July 6th, 2009 at 19:34
@Merlinus: Wont come after you, but I gotta admit I am surprised to see how you can support both United and Real… We got some kind of rivalery then, because I follow Barca as well.
Barca style FTW!
July 6th, 2009 at 19:35
I didnt hate real madrid fans till today, when i watched sky sport interview some madrid fans, they say ” we are happy we signed cristiano and sorry manchester united ” with a sneaky smile, i never really wanted to hit a girl so bad.
July 6th, 2009 at 19:37
I gotta say Real are really putting huge pressure on Ronaldo…
I know he is the best player in the world, but come on! He is getting the reception of Messiah, like M.J had arisen from the dead! I mean, FUCKING CHILL!!! 
Another reason to why he will flop… 
July 6th, 2009 at 19:37
@RedDevilEddy:
thanks eddy.. not internet.. not to worry..
.. I’m hooked to the beautiful game ever since 
I was 7 years old when i first switched on the t.v all by myself and started watching football and that was in 1994
July 6th, 2009 at 19:38
@ROOOOONEY:
Girls are sneaky, they do everything they can just to make guys like you catch their attention. 
July 6th, 2009 at 19:40
Kinda funny from Sportinlife TC.
1930: The Bernabeu pitch now looks like an elaborate crazy golf course or a very easy to solve maze. I’m going to stick with the crazy golf course description despite the lack of any flags on the pitch.
1927: A Portuguese journalist in what I would describe as a Martin Bell-esque suit, is praising Ronaldo in an interview with Real Madrid TV. He is talking like an excitable combination of film character Bruno and golfer Ian Poulter as he tells us how much Ronaldo likes to win at bingo. Interesting times.
1921: The fans are filling the stadium as we see pictures of Cristiano Ronaldo at his medical in extravagant sunglasses. Jorge Valdano, Real’s sporting director, did not feel the need to make a similar statement.
1917: Live coverage is now under way on Real Madrid TV so we should be able to enjoy the atmosphere at the Bernabeu. Looks like a great night in the Spanish capital with a green stage ready to welcome Cristiano Ronaldo.
1915: The atmosphere is starting to build at the Bernabeu as we await Cristiano Ronaldo’s arrival. All nine of Real Madrid’s European Cups are on stage so there is no doubt pressure is being put on the winger to help the Spanish giants return to the summit of European football.
DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWMMMMMMMMMM!!!
July 6th, 2009 at 19:41
1939: It is all very jolly at the Bernabeu so far tonight and, in a good way, a bit Eurovision. There is no doubt that Real Madrid are looking to put on a show so we should probably expect the unexpected.
RONALDO IS GONNA SING “I`m a Barbie Girl”!
July 6th, 2009 at 19:46
http://goal.com/en/news/9/england/2009/07/06/1367534/cristiano-ronaldo-will-miss-manchester-united-more-than
For once I agree with Potatohead…
July 6th, 2009 at 19:46
http://www.livesoccertv.com/match/82576/cristiano-ronaldo-official-presentation/
Watch this.. omg!
July 6th, 2009 at 19:47
jam packed santiago bernabau.. what a reception!
July 6th, 2009 at 19:48
@Merlinus: Di Stefano signed for Barca.. But didn’t general Franco intervene in some way to prevent the deal going through?
And how about the infamous history of privilege given to madrid in the Franco years?
Real Madrid: Scum of the earth.
July 6th, 2009 at 19:50
2009: Ronaldo says “sorry” i made beeg meestake, shud never,ever left Manchester. I go home, now to see the President of England.
July 6th, 2009 at 19:50
Holy fuck.. people running on the streets.. look outside the stadium.. omg.. this is gonna make him completely BIG headed and Boost his ego 100 times over..
July 6th, 2009 at 19:53
@Merlinus: He is gonna fuck up worse than Djemba Djemba…
July 6th, 2009 at 19:53
@Cyclops-Red:
July 6th, 2009 at 19:55
@RedDevilEddy: I thought you were a LB. When did you convert into a DM?
July 6th, 2009 at 19:56
Guys.. its past midnight here.. gotta catch some shut eye.. will start posting tomorrow
.. see ya..
July 6th, 2009 at 20:02
RedDevilEddy atleast real madrid are going into debt for footballing reasons unlike the glazers. and real madrid are funded by the spanish goverment, and perez bank account he is also funding the players so real are not getting into huge financial debts maybe 40 million pounds not much. man utds financial problems are ofa much bigger scale than real madrid. people can have their sour grapes towards real madrid but the reality is real madrid are a far bigger club than united, they have a better stadium better climate better city and a far richer history and their goals are more attractive. I also believe real madrid have a really outstanding coach who if he is given the right to shape his way of playing the team madrid have an outstanding team. if they sign alonzo and ribery they will have the best side in europe along with barca. they have more quality than united with more better players in every area they just needed a coach who can shape it.
casillas
ramos aviola pepe marcelo
diarra alonzo
ronaldo benzama kaka ribery
July 6th, 2009 at 20:10
@steve
complete nonsense. Utd’s debt was due to a leveraged buyout. We fell foul to the rules of the stock market. Perez is spending tax payers money, not his own, worst case scenario the public foot the bill.
How the hell can you justify the two.
Appalled
July 6th, 2009 at 20:14
@steve: as cyclops said, RM have been bailed out on tax payers money. The Glazers have leveraged their debts on private assets. the supporter pay for the tickets, but it’s not forced on them like what Perez is doing. I am not saying the Glazers are angels either. But they are capitalists who are doing business on money that is not from the tax payer. You can never justify Perez on those grounds. Sorry.
July 6th, 2009 at 20:27
@steve: Madrid are robbing the country. Shall we build 5 hospitals? No Madrid need £80mil for a player… Hire more teachers? Nah Kaka costs £50mil.
Money stealing Nazi loving racist murderers.
July 6th, 2009 at 20:31
can people believe that there is a guy with a man utd shirt on in the real madrid stadium if he is a united fan he is a disgrace. well I would have rather the way madrid do things than what is happening at united with the glazers. if it is tax who knows but look at the debt that the glazers have put on united atleast the spanish goverment take care and look after their sporting greats like madrid and barca
July 6th, 2009 at 20:32
@Red Ranter: Earlier this season. Im actually been a DM as long as I have played, but because my team were in lack of a left defender I was used there. Now we finally have a left back, so I can play in my regular and best position. Although, I do play like LB when he is away/injured…
July 6th, 2009 at 20:35
@steve: That’s where you are wrong mate. Why the fuck should the Spanish Govt bother? This is a private enterprise. When Real makes profits do you think they share it with the government? Or would the taxpayer see any dime of it? No. Then why the hell should they be bailed out when they are in trouble? We may be heavily in debt, but I am never going to listen to people glorifying that mob in Madrid. Just because we haven’t got things right, doesn’t mean Madrid are doing things right. I would never want us to be going the Madrid way.
I would never want charity from the government to take care of our club. Why, tomorrow you’ll tell we deserve the premier league and the Queen might as well hand it over to us, because we are a “great club”. Greatness must be earned every season on one’s own. Not by some government handout or charity.
July 6th, 2009 at 20:36
@steve: I have no respect for Real Madrid or Perez whatsoever! What they are doing is a fucking disgrace, and I feel the fans should be ashamed. I would actualy be ashamed if United ever went out and spent £200 million on 4 players, and £80 million on just one person. It absolute nonsene, desgraceful and its disrespectful to the UN and the world. I respect Fergie policy for not wanting to spend over £30 million for any player, and now Real have gone out and tripled that. Its just wrong…
July 6th, 2009 at 20:40
@steve: Besides, having the best players doesnt neccessarily mean you have the best team. Ronaldo, Benzema, Kaka, Ribery… I respect what Barca do, Iniesta, Messi, Xavi, Puyol and such. What the fuck they are doing is just fucking wrong!
Positive side? Im gonna laugh my fuckin ass off when they screw up! 
July 6th, 2009 at 20:41
If anybody writes “HALA MADRID” I am gonna cut their fucking head off, pee on it and send it to Perez as a gift.
July 6th, 2009 at 20:45
redrants on facebook I am on a group I hate real madrd its true but what the glazers are doing is just wrong it is worser than what has gone on at real madrid. the glazers are a disgrace to football man utd between aug 2006 to now the sucess have masked the cancer the glazers are spreading towards the club inside eternally makes me sick
July 6th, 2009 at 20:46
@Traverse: yea get em hahaha
July 6th, 2009 at 20:48
cant wait till barca do them in all spanish comps and raul beats the shit out of our boy ronaldo after their first loss where ronny takes his customary 6 shots a half and misses.
July 6th, 2009 at 20:48
At this particular moment, I am praying to God that we meet Real Madrid in the Champions League!
Is it wrong that I am willing to make a pact with the devil that he can take my soul if we beat Real Madrid and humiliate them with all their stars? Cause my God, nothing, and I mean absolutely NOTHING! would feel sweeter. Beating Liverpool 5-0 at Anfield, beating Shitty and making Tevez cry at Old Trafford, us winning the quintuple, I can honestly say that at this current moment I would throw all that in the garbage if we beat Real by just two goals in the Champions League with all their stars. 
July 6th, 2009 at 20:49
@Merlinus: Be sure to answer those ethical and moral questions posed by my fellow ranters about Madrid’s state of affairs – government favoritism, fascism, and all that jazz when you come back!
July 6th, 2009 at 20:50
@steve: I wanna join that group!
@gator: I cant wait `till we knock them out of the Champions League!
July 6th, 2009 at 20:51
@NicoQB: Since you follow Ligue 1, have you got any thoughts on Obertan that you might want to share?
July 6th, 2009 at 20:54
@steve: Sorry, no offense, but I just have to LOL!
Are you under 16?
July 6th, 2009 at 20:56
@RedDevilEddy: if they fucking make it to us mate they are going to play like a team of 5yr olds, all of the mids and forwards trying to take the ball off one another and shoot themselves.
I seriously cant see that lot passing like barca do ten passes and a different guy each time taking the shot. will be a circus unless they get saf there to man manage which aint happening PERIOD
July 6th, 2009 at 20:59
@gator: Agree, and that is just why I want us to face them. I dont want Liverpool to beat them, I dont want Inter to beat them, I dont want Burnley to beat them, I want UNITED TO BEAT THEM! They can go the whole season unbeaten for all I care, but I just wanna beat them so they realise which club is actualy the biggest and best in the world.
Alex Ferguson is God!!! But he is working a deal with the devil…
July 6th, 2009 at 21:00
@steve: yea im so sick of them giving fergi free reign over everything football related and as much money as he sees fit to bring in talent. yes saf could have won these trophies without the glazers the past few years but untill he says they are interfering pick a different devil to hate.
July 6th, 2009 at 21:01
NicoQB are you serious your telling me what the glazers have done at united is a lot better than whats gone on at real madrid. what real madrid have done in the summer is nothing compared to what the glazers have done at united. the glazers should be put in jail for what financial possible ruin they have inflicted on our club. we had 57 million pound loss for winning the prem and european cup now if thats not worth being put in jail I do not know what is.
RedDevilEddy if you have facebook there is a search engine top right hand side type in I hate real madrid
July 6th, 2009 at 21:02
Well, that presentation just proves it! Real Madrid are a circus…
July 6th, 2009 at 21:07
@RedDevilEddy: Indeed. Hopefully though, the bigger they come, the harder they fall, and come this time next year, I hope to look upon this circus of a club and laugh my intestines out at its immense failure.
In Sir Alex I trust.
July 6th, 2009 at 21:08
gator not what goes on in management terms but what the part the glazers have have done. so what they should stick their noses out of fergies buisness like they should never have put their noses in getting involed in our club in the first place. also the glazers could make a huge profit for basically buying man utd on tick. its like you had a thousand pounds lent another thousand to buy a season ticket and selling that season ticket for 3 grand you spent nothing and manage to put that dept onto the person who bought the season ticket that is basically what the glazers have done. also do not forget if unityed went bust we would pick up pieces the glazers are losing nothing they hardly paid anything for the club in the first place.
July 6th, 2009 at 21:08
@steve
Madrid are effectively corrupt.immoral using taxpayer’s money to fund their club.
United are using the profits of the club to stay afloat and remain successful.
How can you justify Madrid’s position?
July 6th, 2009 at 21:09
@steve: Done and done! Its official, I HATE REAL MADRID!
July 6th, 2009 at 21:12
@edwin: So true, so true. And right now Real Madrid are the fattest woman on earth(yeah, woman! They are some whining cunts!), and when we throw them off their fucking “throne” they are gonna fall so hard all blood and flesh in gonna get ripped to pieces across Europe!
Wow, I really have to calm down…
Fuck it, FUCK REAL MADIRD!!!
July 6th, 2009 at 21:14
Just wonder, how much a loser do you think Benzema is gonna feel after Ronaldo getting that kind of recepion?! He is already on the way down…
July 6th, 2009 at 21:19
@RedDevilEddy: Dont worry mate, your not the only one on this Earth who despises the Fascists.
Time for me to retire fellow reds. I shall catch up soon.
July 6th, 2009 at 21:20
RedDevilEddy awesome glad I helped u there.
Cyclops-Red real madrid are a non profit orginsation and unlike united they are owned by the fans. but when u compare it with the glazers I am afraid it makes real madrid look like angels. the glazers have totaly ruined man utds financial situation, we went from debt free to the most indebted club in world football. what other club forces season ticket holders to buy the carling cup games when they cannot. sprry the glazers are the biggest scum on earth compared to real madrid.
July 6th, 2009 at 21:20
@Red Ranter: HA!!
I saw you inviting me to comment on Obertan, but the simple truth is that I saw very little of him.
But after an odd hour of reading on him on french forums, here is my take on OBERTAN:
You all know by now that he was loaned to Lorient after failing to impress at Bordeaux.
As a matter of fact the one time I remember him in a game, he looked very uninvolved in the game, a bit unsure of what to do. But that may have been one of his off days.
I took my time to visit a few french footy forums and the general consensus is that of surprise – and not the pleasant kind. While people agree about his natural potential they are much more uncertain about his consistency, and will to succeed. for instance, other players like Gouffran – while not as naturally gifted – progressed to a point where they grabbed a place in Larry White’s starting line-up, while Obertan repeatedly disappointed to the point he was loaned at Lorient (the equivalent of a Hull City) where again he failed to lit up the scene.
However, he has a facial expression not inspiring self-confidence, a bit like old Silly Silvestre. Apart from that all agree that he has great potential, a natural dribbler.
But because I too knew not so much about him,
Maybe it would suggest another case of lack of drive, or a suspect personality.
But they agree to a point that maybe Fergie will drive in him some of the self-belief necessary to make the grade, and nurture him right.
Another interesting reaction was that of surprise at lack of interest in Chamak – one of Bordeaux true stars; whereas a [relative] failure like Obertan is given interest by Man Utd.
Oh, and also he lacks final product – great dribbler, average to poor finisher.
From a personal point of view I’m saddened as it seems that Craig was right about Nani all along.
Would I be happy if he comes – not really. Valencia, Nani, Ljajic, and even the odd Park appearance, Tosic who apparently had a good Confeds tournament, Morrisson… When are they going to feature then…?
July 6th, 2009 at 21:24
Ronaldo on Manchester United: “I thank all supporters, friends, team-mates. The people will understand my decision and the people will respect that. My dream is to play for Real Madrid but I will miss many things in Manchester.”
July 6th, 2009 at 21:29
Jeez, He’s made a kissin’ the badge statement. Now I know he’s gone just for the dosh.
July 6th, 2009 at 21:30
@steve: I was not reflecting on your views of club management mate. I don’t know the details of our financial situation and Madrid’s but I just know that Madrid reeks of corruption.
No, my comment was more to do with the way you put your thoughts down. Once again I don’t want to be rude, but it would be helpful if you copuld space your arguments, change paragraphs when you start on another point, use commas as well as stops.
English is not my mother tongue, but redrants has helped me in improving my written english somewhat… at least I think it is the case.
July 6th, 2009 at 21:31
@NicoQB: This site improved my English grade with 1+
July 6th, 2009 at 21:32
@Cyclops-Red: Cant blame him, although I am waiting for Owen to kiss the United badge when scoring the winner at Anfield!
July 6th, 2009 at 21:40
Is it just me or does anyone else feel we should at least try and enquire for cesc fabregas’ services. I know its highly unlikely he would want to come here, but hes one of those players you would say you wish we could sign but could never afford, well now we can i would like to think we would at least enquire for his services. If he or arsenal say no, ok no loss move on, if he says yes happy days. Im actually under the opinion anyway he would say yes, fab has always stated his admiration for fergie and if he were to lay on the whole package, personally meeting fab, picking him up, giving him a good talk he would say yes, hes been at arsenal long enough i think anyone can see until they sign some real established experienced players they wont win jack, i think he would honestly jump at the chnace of joining us, dont expect to see this move happen though but oh well i live in hope.
July 6th, 2009 at 21:42
@steve
you have a strange perception of angels. The Glazers are ruthless mercenaries who have put £300m of their own money into the club. Therefore they do actually care(in a sense).If the club fails they lose their money.
If Real fails the government,local council and ultimately the publc pick up the bill. Madrid continues as a club and starts to spend more than it can afford. This just continues. They buy all the best United players they can get their grubby hands on. This carries on for ever.
July 6th, 2009 at 21:48
Was it just me, or did the Real Madrid kit with Ronaldo in it just look wrong…
July 6th, 2009 at 21:49
Ronaldo: “In England, very nice referees but in La Liga we have unbelievable referees.”
July 6th, 2009 at 21:49
@Merlinus: It’s official, that is the longest post of all time beating mine by a mile. Secondly, this is a Manchester United blog mate. You brought up event after event in the history of Real Madrid in order to paint a glowing picture of them? ON A MANCHESTER UNITED BLOG?
Are you serious and are you all there?
For your information, there is nothing that you wrote that I am not aware of except that much of it is open to many different interpretations of those events actually transpired. By all means kiss their ass all you like but just remember where who you are writing that pro Nazi propaganda for? I for one do not need to hear one positive thing about the Anti-Christ’s of football. The most evil, greedy, disgusting and vile entity in all of pro sports. The New York Yankees look like choir boys in comparison.
And don’t go comparing the great Madrid sides of the 60’s that had Puskas and Di Stefano with the rubbish and crap of today’s team. And I’m not even comparing them in regards to the team on the pitch but the organization and the pack of wolves that run the present establishment do not have an ounce of class compared to the way those old Real teams carried themselves both on and off the pitch. The present den of vipers survive on the good name that was created decades ago and that they are quickly destroying by the minute.
Only dumb and ignorant players and their fans are naive and stupid when it comes to seeing this two headed snake for what it is. They are vile and are menace to the game and an albatross hanging around the necks of La Liga, the Champions League and FIFA. Problem is they have always had good con men like Perez who can sell sand to an Arab and who always seem to be able to buy off the right people in the right governing bodies that help them get their influence around and help them get their way.
So take your Madrid love and stick it…….you know where. I for one do not appreciate it and I feel I can speak for many others who feel nothing but hatred and bitterness towards that club and that’s before we let them have Ronaldo. Waste your time and effort writing about things we appreciate or want to debate about, not about the so called merits of a known and hated enemy. May I suggest the Real Madrid Pro Anti-Christ blogs for that. This is a Manchester United blog and you should have known better.
July 6th, 2009 at 21:52
I dont really like jokes or such going against Sir Alex or Fergie, but this one was quite funny.
http://www.studs-up.com/2009/07/sold/
July 6th, 2009 at 21:52
@RedDevilEddy: Anderson is bald? WOW! This could be the opposite Samson effect. Cutting Samson’s hair made him weak and powerless. Perhaps the opposite will happen to Anderson. The fact he has chopped off that ridiculous mop from his head is a positive sign I must say.
July 6th, 2009 at 21:54
@RedDevilEddy: Oslo is gorgeous. Why is it that nobody, me include ever appreciates the place in which they live? Vancouver is far greater than I give it credit for and Oslo, well that city is just incredible. I’ve been to it twice and loved it both times. Many years ago though.
July 6th, 2009 at 21:55
@Grognard:
I dunno if its true mate, read it on another blog. But hopefully, hopefully he can fulfill his potensial this season and show you that I was correct about him all along. 
July 6th, 2009 at 21:56
RedDevilEddy
Owen scoring the winner against the scousers
I can feel a “Kiko” moment coming up inside me.
July 6th, 2009 at 21:56
NicoQB I thought this was a forum on what my thought on what happens at united. I did not knowit also ment we must have perfect spelling grammer.
the details are uniteds debt is at the moment over 600 million. we should with the amount of money brought in that the south stand should be extended it is not. in my eyes take out ronaldos cash made about 70 million to spend or even more because of our success I will back it up 60 million to spend.
do not be blinkered the glazers are using our profits made on our success to pay for their stupid debt they have put on united. and they are saying thank god we have the ronaldo cash to pay for players and it masks their durty hands they have done with the money gone to the banks. anyone who thinks the glazers are better for football than real madrid need to wake up. the glazers should be booted out of britain by the fa premier league and the goverment they had the chance in 2005 and they failed.
July 6th, 2009 at 21:58
@Craig Mc: You are asking a manager these days to sacrifice his career for aesthetics as opposed to results. It’s a results oriented business. Beauty is only coincidental and often even accidental. It’s all about winning and getting points by any means possible. A cynical time we are living in to be sure.
July 6th, 2009 at 21:58
@Grognard: Its still an amazing place to live, but its quite boring when its raining and you are 16. Footy has been off the whole week for me, and the sun has dissapeared after two weeks with 35 degrees!
But I find some time to relax, which is really vital for me right now. For the record, I read that Essien slept 14 hours each day! 
July 6th, 2009 at 21:59
@RedDevilEddy: Patty Evra?
You must be fucking joking? Skinned Sausages need not be included.
July 6th, 2009 at 21:59
@Cyclops-Red: I can feel a Real Madrid-ends-in-20th-place moment.
July 6th, 2009 at 22:09
@steve
I agree with you about our debt
(The Glazers’ should be booted out of britain by the fa premier league and the goverment they had the chance in 2005 and they failed).
Its just I disagree with your comparison between us and the fascists.
Can we agree to disagree on this one
July 6th, 2009 at 22:11
@RedDevilEddy: Iniesta and Xavi are very good but they wouldn’t crack my top ten. Stop jumping on bandwagons and base your choices onb more than last season.
Best players in the world
1. Ronaldo
2. Lionel Messi
3. Michael Essien
4. Franck Ribery
5. Fernando Torres
6. Kun Aguero
7. Maicon
8. David Villa
9. Philip Lahm
10. Steven Gerrard
11. Wayne Rooney
12. Andrei Arshavin
13. Xavi
14. Frank Lampard
15. Cesc Fabregas
16. Juan Roman Riquelme
17. Iker Casillas
18. Nemanja Vidic
19. Klaas Jan Huntelaar
20. Michael Ballack
Honorable mention to Daniel De Rossi, David Silva, JL Buffon, Rene Adler, Andre Pirlo and Manuel Neuer.
July 6th, 2009 at 22:12
@Red Ranter: I’d go as far as saying he is the best all round and most versatile player in the world.
July 6th, 2009 at 22:14
@Merlinus: More like you should be apologizing to me for the monster post above because it was loaded with rubbish.
July 6th, 2009 at 22:18
@Merlinus: I’m a two club man too mate but I do not come on to this site and start lecturing the United fans about Bayern Munich’s former greatness and glory and rubbing it into their faces. And further more, I could do that and get away with it only because nobody hear has a reason to hate Bayern Munich. Real Madrid is another story. They are the monster who broke in and stole everyone’s cookies. Nobody wants to hear from bloated loud Real Madrid fan. If you want to be bloated and loud, it better be about Manchester United.
I don’t take my time to come on to this site to read pro Madrid drivel. Above all, I won’t have the likes of you coming to me and telling me I don’t know much about La Liga. When you have watched 1/10 of the European games I have watched over 40 years as well as having read hundreds of books on the history of the game, then you come and brag to me. You are way out of line with your assumptions.
July 6th, 2009 at 22:19
@steve: About perfect spelling and grammar, we don’t expect you to be perfect. But the least we expect is for you to put some time on writing your comments, break it up into sentences, use commas at times so that it becomes easier for us to read. Right now it seems you want to urgently head to the loo, and are typing this out in a hurry.
Regarding the Glazers needing to be booted out by the government and FA, again, it seems you are not understanding how businesses run. If a government is to boot out a private owner from UK it means it has to boot out any businessman who buys a business property by leveraging debts. You are caught up in emotion. What the Glazers are doing may not necessarily be healthy for United, but asking the government to boot them out, is about the most ridiculous solutions I’ve heard. The FA can’t do anything about it either. The Premier League should have taken a stand against foreign ownership like the Bundesliga and had checks in place to make debt manageable. But it did not. So now there is no point crying over it. You are targeting the wrong set of people. The Glazers did it because the rules allowed them to rack up this debt.
July 6th, 2009 at 22:20
Cyclops-Red you got me wrong I do not even say man utd put season tickets up. I say the glazers put tickets up, and I do not even compare man utd with real madrid I compare the disgraceul acts of the glazers done to united to real madrid. I hate what real madrid have done but they seem to find a way so it will work and like I said they will never ever go under united can under the current regime.
if you boys think real madrid are ruining football then the glazers are ruining man utds insides. both real madrid and the glazers are ruining football, one ruining football one ruining a football club but for me the glazers are worse much much worse.
the glazers could not care for no one 300 million whats that its nothing. if united went under we united fans have more to lose than the glazers they will selll the club and easily get that 300 million back. they have bought the club on tick basically
July 6th, 2009 at 22:21
@RedDevilEddy: Wikipedia makes many SEEM like geniuses mate.
July 6th, 2009 at 22:21
@Grognard: No mate, I am asking for a Manager who can get his team playing DYNAMIC, ENTERTAINING, FREE FLOWING FOOTBALL, and still WIN. I believe that is possible, but finding the manager might be the problem. I will call in the SAS, their motto is my motto – ‘Who Dares – WINS’
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July 6th, 2009 at 22:23
@RedDevilEddy: He asked for it, now he can swim in it. If he crashes and burns, all he has to do is blame the guy looking at him from the mirror.
July 6th, 2009 at 22:24
@Craig Mc: Then you should play this game… whatitsname? … ah yes! Football Manager.
July 6th, 2009 at 22:25
@RedDevilEddy: These cunts thoroughly disgust me. No athlete deserves this kind of adoration. Soldiers who have fought and sacrificed for their countries don’t get that kind of welcome. We are living in really ridiculous and highly surreal times. Shame on all of them.
July 6th, 2009 at 22:27
@RedDevilEddy: As much as we’d like him to flop, I think he won’t. He relishes the big stage, and I think he’d do quite well. And considering he’ll play in La Liga (and especially Madrid) he would enjoy diving. The Bernabeu will be his swimming pool.
July 6th, 2009 at 22:27
@Red Ranter: I would reccomend FIFA 09, in that game you can play and win just the way you want.
July 6th, 2009 at 22:28
@steve: Steve mate, can I just ask you, if English is your 1st or 2nd language? I just wondered Bro, because you remind me of someone who uses broken English to express yourself. I am not in any way trying to insult you mate, so please don’t take offence – OK. I was just wondering if your being accused, when English really isn’t your 1st language!
July 6th, 2009 at 22:29
@steve: You must realise that in the worst case scenario they can put the club up for sale and still make a profit out of it. United have far too much brand value to interest the billionaires in the far east. Hell, Mike Ashley found buyers for Newcastle for his asking price.
July 6th, 2009 at 22:30
@Red Ranter: The reason I think Ronaldo will flop at Real is because of the bad management, the big egos at the club and because he has this “vision” of the Spainsh League that I believe to be untrue. At United he was the heart, and he was one of few witha huge ego. At Real there will be Benzema, Ramos and more, and he wont have that family feeling he had at Madrid. Like he has said various times, his relationship with Fergie was vital for his performances. He will never find that another place, and especially not at Real!
July 6th, 2009 at 22:31
@steve
If United have to sell the club at a loss the Glazers lose their money.
Mike Ashley bought Newcastle for over £200m and is now looking to offload the club for £100m. Believe it or not we are actually one of the best managed clubs (both on the field and off).
Our danger is if we drop out of the top four and don’t qualify for Europe.
Selling Ronaldo to service our debt makes no business sense so you are listening to dooom merchants. SAF will not waste that money in this over inflated market. He will wait till the right player becomes available at the right price. This may take 12 months.
July 6th, 2009 at 22:31
Red Ranter well what sums the premier league up is in 39 different answers. when we see that richard scum run the premier league we all know we are in trouble.
Grognard totaly disagree with your top 10 the top 10 footballers in my view are
messi
ronaldo
iniesta
kaka
rooney
torres
gerrard
xavi
etoo
villa
not being funny grognard but maicon essien ribery are not better than rooney xavi iniesta and gerrard. iniesta and xavi are in my view the 2 best and most gifted cm pairing in europe. How is essien better than iniesta xavi gerrard torres rooney them alone have more talent than essien can ever dream off. essien is no way a top 10 player he is good but not great and ribery good but he is a fair overated.
July 6th, 2009 at 22:37
@steve: Talent is nothing if you dont have the physique, mentality or will. Essien is a midfield God mate, if he was in our possiesion we would have laughed at Ronaldo right now and be celebrating the Champions League win instead. To be honest, I would give my left nut and donate my kidny for Essien!
July 6th, 2009 at 22:38
@steve: Yes, lets compare maicon to rooney
July 6th, 2009 at 22:38
@NicoQB: Great point. That is why Madrid as a team has always had a link to fascism. It was Franco’s team and they always got the breaks. Even today, they have more clout with the Spanish banks and the government than all the other Spanish clubs combined and that includes Barcelona. I haven’t got a negative thing to say about Barcelona. They are a class organization that runs it’s business aggressively but with class, respect and honor. Real Madrid are a disgrace to the game. What used to be the greatest club in the world is nothing more than a clown act and dog and pony show these days. Perez and the clown shoes before him have no clue what it takes to build a successful and respected team. They operate like kids playing Football Manager and using the cheat editor to get their way. And it has led them to nothing in the past 7 years and that will continue. They have no idea or concept on the elements needed to build a good team. It’s not about just buying Galacticos. It’s about role players and balance, it’s about discipline and dedication of everyone concerned towards the team, and not their many extracurricular activities. It’s not all about marketing and delusions of grandeur. What really makes me laugh is how absolutely dumb as nails their fans are and how gullible and obsessed with the circus they all seem to be. And what a Circus!
July 6th, 2009 at 22:39
Red Ranter thats why I said the glazers have nothing too lose I did say that they could easily make a 300 million pound profit. its man utd that will have to pick up the pieces.
another thing why in the hell should we have any right to be in the top 4 all clubs experience midtable mediocrity and for the glazers to put this type of pressure on the club is wrong. we should say if we finished 10th hey its bad but not bad where it can cripple the club.
July 6th, 2009 at 22:39
@Traverse: And those are their great qualities.
July 6th, 2009 at 22:41
@NicoQB: Bloody hell Nico, its just as I thought. He is probably recommended to us, because Bordoux wants to GET RID, and are keen to push him our way. We have enough POTENTIALS in our club, and we surely don’t wnat another one – pisses me off big time! I mean keep forking out 10-15 million here and there on potentials, instead of buying TWO VERY GOOD proven players – sickened just thinking about it. No wonder they are laughing in France
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July 6th, 2009 at 22:43
RedDevilEddy essien is awesome but he is not better than xavi iniesta gerrard rooney. also who was better keane or scholes because scholes was a miles better midfielder than keane. I would rather have xavi and iniesta over essien any day.
July 6th, 2009 at 22:43
@steve: Let me get this straight mate, are you a Man Utd supporter or Real Madrid fan
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July 6th, 2009 at 22:44
@Red Ranter: Real Madrid and the government, actually more the Spanish monarchy have had a very close relationship for decades. If something calamitous were to happen to Madrid, they would in fact probably get a bail out whereas Valencia are on their own to find means to survive. The banks alone in Spain seem to allow Madrid incredible amounts of credit where Barcelona who is just as big, doesn’t get nearly the same kind of consideration. Then again, Barcelona have never been quite this irresponsible. Madrid is truly an evil empire, there is no hiding that fact and you don’t have to be a bitter and angry United fan to realize it if you read around and hear the many many stories of their skulduggery from the past.
July 6th, 2009 at 22:46
ppl believe me I am not defending real madrid their presentation of ronaldo when I watched it on real madrid tv was a joke made me laugh but whe it came to the glazers they are angels.
July 6th, 2009 at 22:47
@Grognard: Preaching to the choir there.
July 6th, 2009 at 22:47
@steve: Right, so we are the ones who have to pay off all our debt by july 19th, not liverpool.
Get your fackts straight before spouting your nonesense.
Oh Noes!1!!11 we cant buy a player for £80mil like madrid! tell me what other club can?
July 6th, 2009 at 22:47
@RedDevilEddy: You know what Eddi, that kind of large scale GLORY for anybody in life, is scary. When one is so exalted, almost as the GODS, the one and only GOD has a way of bringing them down to reality – THE HARD WAY. The man swollen and full of air like a balloon, is liable to get spiked and deflated, in order to understand that he is just a mere man – something Ronnie doesn’t understand, with all his deluded self elation too
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July 6th, 2009 at 22:48
@steve: Even we will have nothing to lose if they sell us to another Billionaire organization.
July 6th, 2009 at 22:49
@Dan: Dan this is your last warning. I am dead serious when I say I will ban you for a month if I see unprovoked rubbish like this again.
You did this with colver and now you are doing it with steve.
July 6th, 2009 at 22:50
@RedDevilEddy: It’s not about their paying 200 million for players. That doesn’t really bother me. What bothers me is their tapping up of players, their inside contacts and favors from UEFA and from FIFA, most notably those autorities looking the other way when Madrid breaks the rules, their arrogance and greed as wellas their lack of respect for opposing teams in negotiating transfers. They also are highly irresponsible and negligent in the way they spend money and borrow it indiscriminately at a time when the world is financially suffering a major crisis and billions are out of work and starving. They send nothing but a negative message about how to run and operate an organization that is part of a larger more important organization and entity. And lets not forget that they kiss FIFA’s and UEFA’s ass and ask for favors while always threatening to be the leaders of the separatist Euro Super League movement. Simply, there is not one positive thing that can be said about this team other than they have Klaas Jan Huntelaar at present. I mean, I even hate their boring as hell drab white kit. How creative and imaginative is it to have a video game’s default kit as your home kit?
July 6th, 2009 at 22:51
@steve: Keane over Scholes, Essien over Iniesta. Why? Because the job of a defensive midfielder is the backbone of a succesful team. Barcelona=Yaya Toure. Chelsea=Essien. We can also look to the past! United=Keane. Real=Makelele. And so on. A defensive midfielder is proabbly the most vital asset you can have in your team, because if he is good enough he should be able to break up an attack and then start a counter. Strikers and winger are supposed to create and score the goals, it is very rare that you see succesful teams score most goal through the middle. Its more often around or on the break. I would take Keane over Scholes any day, and I would take Essien over Kaka, Iniesta or Gerrard as well.
July 6th, 2009 at 22:52
Grognard barcelona are a one off club they are such a special club, I am partly a barca fan myself which it goes back has a kid. I knew more about barcelona than real madrid half the time I had never even heard of real madrid before.
barcelona have such a great academy who actually base that has the main foundation of of their team who bring through loads and loads of young players. but for me barcelona need a defender a winger and a striker and maybe another midfielder for me. but I believe with the midfield of xavi iniesta toure messi henry etoo that side should retain la liga but doesnt the african nations cup start this year.
July 6th, 2009 at 22:55
@RedDevilEddy: Again, you are oversimplifying it. DM’s are vital to successful teams, but you have to be joking when you go over the top with Barcelona=Yaya Toure. Or Chelsea = Essien. All great teams are built on more than one player. They are important cogs in their wheels, and aren’t predicated on just one player.
July 6th, 2009 at 22:55
@RedDevilEddy: Beating them in a meaningful game means nothing mate other than a little sweet revenge and hollow at that. I am talking about the future of the game and the disastrous effect this team has on it. They need to be abolished and banished. They are everything that is wrong with the world short of murdering people.
July 6th, 2009 at 22:56
@Dan: Manchester Shitty?
July 6th, 2009 at 22:58
RedDevilEddy the irony of your statement is united have won 3 league titles in a row 2 carling cups a european cup a world club cup without a DM player so thaat role is not always needed it has worked without one. we have had 2 teqnically gifted cm players. having the worlds best player and other devestating attacking players, with a couple of workers in attack and midfield and a ironly plated top defence.
July 6th, 2009 at 23:04
@Craig Mc: It’s possible in England mate, but not in Europe. The Champions League has a way of stifling that kind of play when you get to the quarter final round. Too many CDM’s destroying the flow and look of the game.
July 6th, 2009 at 23:05
@Red Ranter: Strikers are important. Defenders are important. Goalkeepers are also important. But midfielders are the most important players a team can have. They set the pace of the game, they create attacks and they stop them. In my mind defensive midfielders are what makes a team. Of cource you have the other players, which are almost equally as vital. But if you have a player that can stop attacks, start attacks and be mentally prepared to take a foot in your crotch for a win you are doing the proper footballing job.
I doubt that I am the only one who thinks that Chelski would be an entirely different team in the first half of the season if Essien was fit. Its very rare that I admire players of rival clubs, but when somebody with the quality of Essien plays for another team I just cant stand it when I remember that United actually had the chance to sign him.
My thoughts of the defensive midfield role may be sort of biased, as it is the role I play. But my entire life I have been tought by masters such as Keane and my coach. Keane, as my role model, and my coach as guidance. What he has told me about the importance of that particular position will never leave me, and I will never change my opinion. 
July 6th, 2009 at 23:07
@steve: You are not allowed to disagree with my selection. They are gospel. I will send over my goons to convince you that I am never wrong.
July 6th, 2009 at 23:07
Thou shall not pray to false idols, Real fans! It appears you have your oily, whore-loving false idol now. Yes, he’s gonna give you goals but never forget this guy plays for him (ala Ivan Drago: I fight for me!!!)
Furthermore, Pelligrini will never (ever) be able to contain the gigantics egos in the locker room. If Sir Alex Ferguson could not contain C. Ronaldo completely, do you really think this Pellegrini fellow, whose impressive résumé of clubs includes Villareal and River Plate will be able to do it?
After all these years of Real Madrid buying our players, I’ve realized that the one signing they would have dreamed to have is The Gaffer himself. They love and idolize those who were built or polished by Sir Alex.
Anyway, I strangely believe this second era of the galacticos will not do as well as everyone seems to think. The Evil Empire shall realize what makes Barcelona so dominant. They are a team. I belong to Jesus Kàkà will have a very had time to settle in Palpatine’s Madrista, I believe. There are no Gattuso, Maldini and the such in Madrid. Raùl, you say? I don’t think he is so happy about what is happening. The King is dead, long live the King!
Whereas Manchester United cherishes his old stars (as seen by the care given to Scholes and Giggs), Madrid throws them unceremoniously to the bin. C. Ronaldo has been given the 9 of Il Fenomeno. Who cares? The other is a has-been washed-up.
Long live the Oily One!
July 6th, 2009 at 23:07
The Glazers are fine. The only teams we cannot compete with on the transfer market are those backed by billionaires and those backed by corrupt governments. The money is there to spend I am sure. Fergie is just too narrow minded and the few players he fancies are unavailable.
The problem is a poor scouting network and a transfer policy which centres around Fergie who for all his management skills does not really have much of an eye for hidden talent-his skill has always been identifying long-term targets, tracking them, waiting till they mature and then buying them (at grossly inflated prices!).
That is why we have this ridiculous situation where we have £80 million in the bank and so far have only bought Valencia and Owen…who add a bit of depth but no real quality to a squad depleted by the loss of the best player in the world.
July 6th, 2009 at 23:08
@Red Ranter: What did i do with colver, he kept on getting upset everytime i used a smile he didnt like. They are there to be used.
I remember, when conor was posting. Every time i made a post, he was always right behind to undermine it and make it look stupid. ALWAYS! That was stalking and bullying and not once did you tell him to stop. I wasnt the only one to experience this, people told him, he left. Since your moderator, why did that last so long? He calls me a muppet, you say NOTHING to him, not even “try not to it,” it was NOTHING. I say stop spouting your nonesense, i get threatened with a month long ban…
Its ok though, you protect conor, steve and who ever you like as its your site, i just ask you be a bit more fair.
Im gonna take a wildshot and say your going to ban me for a month for saying how i feel?
July 6th, 2009 at 23:08
@Craig Mc: One word………DUD.
July 6th, 2009 at 23:09
@RedDevilEddy: Well they are an exception, name me another and ill say im wrong.
QPR dont count…
July 6th, 2009 at 23:10
@steve: You are only looking at things from an offensive point of view. Essien is a multi dimensional player. He is good offensively but he is also excellent. Therefore, in my books he is better than Xavbi or Iniesta and Keane was far superior to Scholes. Man that’s just blasphemy. Keano is the greatest central midfield player in United history after Sir Bobby. Apologies to Robson, Scholes and a few others. Two words describe Roy Keane’s influence in a game….FUCKING AWESOME!
July 6th, 2009 at 23:11
@RedDevilEddy: To reinforce my point I wouldn’t want to be drawn into a debate that’s about the most important position in football. It’s like two 10 year olds arguing their daddy is better than the other’s, ad infinitum.
We could make equally pertinent observations on each position, and can go on for days without a definite conclusion. So each on to his own on this one. 
July 6th, 2009 at 23:11
@Grognard: If we are going to sign a winger other then ribery, it should be silva or mata, no one else.
July 6th, 2009 at 23:12
@Red Ranter: Just telling it like it is mate. That pro Madrid shite just made me hot under the collar.
July 6th, 2009 at 23:14
@Dan: For your information, Conor didn’t leave, he was banned. He came back under a different name too, I knew who he was and still banned him. And he won’t be coming back either.
And you have been more than rude and sarcastic with colver and with steve you just said a couple of days that you won’t bother with him and yet went back on your word.
July 6th, 2009 at 23:15
@steve: Even though we have won all those trophies, it hurts me the way we have won them.
In 2006/07 we dominated easily, that was probably the best title.
In 2007/08 we won the title on goal difference, because I imagine Chelskis draw at home to Bolton as nothing more than giving up. It was probably our best season as an attacking side, but if you think back we played many games in the latter stages of the season with a 3 man midfield. Hargreaves was our DM most of the time, when not Anderson and Carrick. And we could easily have lost to Chelski in the Champions League final, only faith stopped them there.
This last season, I have time and time again said my dissapointment of our play. We failed epicly in the big games, only winning 5 out of 18 points. We won the League cup against Spurs, and on penalties!
LDQ, my local team could probably beat them! And we paid for not having a powerhouse in the Champions League final, as Xavi and Iniesta run ragged. Up until that game we had played witha trio of Carrick, Anderson and FLETCHER, who worked as our DM. Now we all dont rate FLetch very highly, and we do need a great DM. Your statement of us not playing with a DM these last three seasons is wrong, as Fletcher, Hargraeves and Anderson have all covered that role in our major games. Hargreaves has done the best job, and we missed him a lot this season.
Remember, a club like UNited has to show ambition. We always want to be the best, and do it in the best possible way. I think we need a DM, since Hargo wont probably come back fit enough. If we wanna be the best, we gotta be complete!
July 6th, 2009 at 23:15
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!
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aBU dHABI Media have agreed to take over all PL media TV rights etc for 2010 next 3 year cycle. This will bring in massive revenue for the PL, but particularly the top 4. The Abu Dhabi Media say they are thrilled to have obtained these rights for PL games to Aran world and North Africa etc. They said, they are really happy to have got the rights to PL media etc, and wait for it, to have the broadcasting rights for THE MOST EXCITING LEAGUE IN THE WORLD OF FOOTBALL. Wooooooooooooooooooooooo, are you listening Ronaldo? The Arabs don’t agree with you that Spanish league is the best, its the PL that the world want to watch MOST. Take that you Real Madrid – ites
July 6th, 2009 at 23:17
@Craig Mc: Link?
July 6th, 2009 at 23:18
@Red Ranter: well fine then.
One last question though, am i not suppose to use the eye roll smiley when i see fit? its there to be used, so i dont see the problem…
July 6th, 2009 at 23:18
@steve: Any club that has UNICEF on their shirt passes the grade with me. I do not like them but I do respect them. I hated them in the Final but that was more envy and jealousy really. They are a class act for the most part. I also like the way AC Milan and Bayern Munich run their clubs and business. Sure they are big and the smaller clubs in their leagues love to hate them for being so big and successful, but they run their operation with class and dignity and they do not allow the likes of Madrid to embarrass them or dictate to them. I for one tip my hat to Bayern over the way they are dealing with the Ribery affair. If Madrid wants him, they will have give blood to get him.
July 6th, 2009 at 23:19
@Red Ranter: Deal mate, I get that a lot with my friends so were cool.
July 6th, 2009 at 23:19
Abu Dhabi Media AKA Man City? Very worrying.
July 6th, 2009 at 23:20
@Red Ranter: If Michael Essien was to go single handedly against Spurs I would predict a 3-2 win for Essien.
July 6th, 2009 at 23:21
@Red Ranter: Gosh, I didn’t know Conor had been banned. I am really sorry about that, because although he had very strong viewpoints, I did appreciate his banter to be honest. I know it could be over the top at times, but then so could a GOOD FEW OF US ON HERE! When people get banned RR, is it forever like???
July 6th, 2009 at 23:21
@Dan: The eye roll smiley is a sticky issue. I don’t like it when it’s used in a way that’s rude and disrespectful to a fellow commenter. Just because it’s there to be used, doesn’t mean you throw your sense of judgement in the dustbin. It’s like saying “Fuck you, you stupid cunt” is a phrase that exists in the English language. It is there to be used, but it’s a question of how to use it. Hope I’m clear.
July 6th, 2009 at 23:21
@Craig Mc:
Good to know! 
July 6th, 2009 at 23:21
@Craig Mc: roughly hoow much would we earn also?
With them being arab, could it billions? or a few 100millions
July 6th, 2009 at 23:23
@Dan: XD, QPR…
Sheiks `R Us?
July 6th, 2009 at 23:23
@Grognard: apparently UNICEF arent as good as we would like to think. Ask RR to bring up the article, he probably has it saved.
July 6th, 2009 at 23:24
@Craig Mc: Conor came back with a different name and wound up a lot of people. I knew it was him and I didn’t like the way he was hiding behind a different handle and just winding up people.
July 6th, 2009 at 23:24
@Cyclops-Red: Don’t worry mate, because if we get a slice of their owners money for being in the top 4, why should we complain? If they want to share their millions, I’m ok with that. It doesn’t mean they have juristiction over PL clubs, they just have broadcasting rights, and they are paying a lot of money for it.
. I don’t think the media company is run by the same people that run Man City actually. There are MANI BILLIONAIRE Arabs Cyclops!
July 6th, 2009 at 23:25
@Grognard: Are you guys saying the old English game was better ito eye candy than our new style? If so,I’m lost for words.
July 6th, 2009 at 23:26
I bet Platini and Perez are having a Spanish orgy right now…
July 6th, 2009 at 23:26
@Red Ranter: Oh right!
July 6th, 2009 at 23:26
@Dan: Ribery, Silva are the ones although Alex Sanchez interests me greatly. The winger I would most like us to sign is……Cristiano Ronaldo
July 6th, 2009 at 23:27
@RedDevilEddy: ?????? about what Edddi
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July 6th, 2009 at 23:29
@Jay wire: Mate we aint got much style with our snooze football though, have we? Think CL
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July 6th, 2009 at 23:31
@Jay wire: English United style= 7-1 vs Rome, 2007
Current United style= 0-2 vs Barca, 2009
July 6th, 2009 at 23:31
RedDevilEddy fletcher I rate very highly and he was the reason why we work well in a 3 man midfield. hargreaves anderson fletcher do not do that DM role well and for me they are not a real DM anderson is a second striker. mascherano was the best one we missed out on big time.
who else agrees we should go all out big time to get joa moatinho I have rated this guy for years and in my eyes he is the closest thing to xavi and iniesta, in 2 years time he will be talked about has the one we missed out on to replace scholes he has the lot.
July 6th, 2009 at 23:31
@Dan: It didn’t really say, just that it means an awful lot of extra dosh into PL coffers mate. Go read the article on News Now under our page, its interesting read!
July 6th, 2009 at 23:35
@Craig Mc
Cheers mate.
I just don’t trust any organisation with ABU in its name
July 6th, 2009 at 23:44
RedDevilEddy that is totaly unfair I can come up with some brain dead points of view but that is a stupid to compare with. barca are miles better, that game against roma rooney was on the left. do not forget barca would not have beaten united at old trafford that easily. also there was more of an edge about united back in 2007 and players who were on form plus fletcher was a major factor in the roma game.
July 6th, 2009 at 23:48
@steve: Meant as a joke mate.
Tip for you, dont take everything I write so seriously. I make jokes a lot, and exaggerates more than I should. You should understand when I joke or not with the smilies. 
Of cource I could come with many other examples, but I was trying to show the biggest difference possible.
July 6th, 2009 at 23:48
@Dan: They are far better than AIG my friend.
July 6th, 2009 at 23:50
@Grognard: Agree! Someone here posted a link to a bbc article about how Madrid are targeting “fickle” fans with their policy of recruiting galacticos. Those “fans” supposedly swap teams and follow real on tv, making Real get the tv rights bonanza.
I just hope that this tactic will come bite them on the ass when those “fans” finally get bored of following football.
One thing that causes me to have high hopes for Real to fail next season is that they have no true midfield maestro (that I’ve heard of). Galacticos I worked because Zidane made the clockwork tick. Barcelona 2009 have not one, but two maestros. United with Carrick has a maestro-lite. But Real??? Let’s hope the Fail with a capital F!
July 6th, 2009 at 23:50
@steve: Moutinho for me reminds me of scholes a bit, well obviously the scholes of a few years ago. Thing about him is he doesnt score much and he aint a DM so tbh hes not really a player we need i guess. Hes more a creative midfielder as you say in the xavi/iniesta mould, now im not saying i wouldnt want the next coming of those 2 players of course not, but right now what we need is an AM who will get us atleast 10 odd goals or a DM enforcer and unfortunately moutinho falls into neither category which is a shame cos say 2 years ago he was exactly what we needed.
Im not sure about his goal stats, i think theyre like on average 4 or 5 goals a season which isnt much more than what we get from say carrick. Great player granted but i think a sneijder would be more suited to us right now, but thats just my opinion but i do agree with you mate he is an excellent player and is the most similar player to scholes of say 3 years ago or a xavi type i have ever seen. If though he could score a few more goals i would defo snap him up.
July 6th, 2009 at 23:53
@Jay wire: Beauty is in the eye of the beholder mate. I prefer the continental style to that of the old English style. I always found the English game boring as sin after you got past the first three or four top clubs. The direct approach with no imagination or creative flair. Long balls and crosses is all that there was. The Italian version of the Continental game is not great either. It is far too cautious and slow for my liking but it does allow for creativity and individual expression within limits. I prefer it to the way Bolton or Wigan play. The approach to the game I have always favored is the Continental interpretation by the Dutch and Germans. Hard work, graft mixed with individual expression, flair and South American technique.
July 6th, 2009 at 23:54
@NicoQB: Because they are Real Madrid, they are gonna fail with a PH instead of F.
July 6th, 2009 at 23:54
@Cyclops-Red: Mmmmm didn’t think of the ABU thing Cyclops –
. We’ll take the money of the anybody ABU’s though if they want to throw it our way, I’m not fussed. We got to finish in the top 4 though to get the extra dosh!
July 6th, 2009 at 23:55
@RedDevilEddy: Platini does not condone Real’s excentricities. I think you meant Blatter.
July 6th, 2009 at 23:55
@RedDevilEddy: Yes that 7-1 team that lost to AC Milan 5-3 on aggregate in the semis. That team?
July 6th, 2009 at 23:57
@steve: Tell me then, if he is so good, and he’s not 19, how come no Spanish team has bothered to sign him over the past few years? Seriously, I like him to but I have to wonder why everyone is staying away?
July 6th, 2009 at 23:57
@RedDevilEddy: Or maybe we’ll PWN them in the CL!
July 6th, 2009 at 23:58
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzSVOcgKq04&feature=related
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH XD
XD 
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July 6th, 2009 at 23:58
@NicoQB:
July 6th, 2009 at 23:59
Funny! Merlinus originally had good intentions (I think) trying to spread some of his Madrid love.
But what he’s done is that he has united us in our Madrid hate!
July 6th, 2009 at 23:59
RedDevilEddy oh rite just making sure thats all.
Matt how many midfielders who are attacking can get 10 goals a season. he is 21 22 and he scores I say 5 or 6 a season he can only get better in my view. our CM players do not get forward and unlike anderson he does know where the back of the net is, he has far better control his passing is crisp calm collective on the ball he knows the role inside and out.
anderson I will say time and time again is not a CM player he cannot do the role he is a second striker shifted into midfield.
and in my view we have 2 players who are fit enough who never let the team down week in week out to play CM carrick fletcher. scholes is almost at the end anderson is out of position and is hargreaves ever going to come back I doubt it so we are light in CM.
July 7th, 2009 at 0:00
@NicoQB: Even in the Zidane era when they won a few things I really never thought they were that great. They had plenty of holes in their team and it was their luck and teams getting intimidated by the names that helped them succeed.
July 7th, 2009 at 0:00
@Grognard: The reason we lost that tie to Milan was because Alan Smith started neither game.
I believed it then, and I believe it now. 
July 7th, 2009 at 0:01
@Grognard: Only because we lost our best players, main defenders for that one? And NO we didn’t have strength in depth then?
July 7th, 2009 at 0:01
@Grognard: Well, they ARE Germans…..
July 7th, 2009 at 0:04
I have to say a lot of ppl are not considering how good our team is currently.Yes we lost the 2nd best player in the world and a very good forward as well but I think we are all going to be shocked by the contribution of the muched adored and loathed Count.Berbatov I strongly believe is going to be one of the best players in the league this coming season.And in Europe too.His partnership with Rooney is going to be stuff of legends.Why?No more pressure of being the subject of a transfer deadline day saga.He is going to be supremely prepared due to a proper pre-season with the whole squad.He now has a good understanding of the ManUtd game. Most important of all he has two less selfish players to deal with.That’s the most important part of his game.He thrives when playing with selfless players.The same way Riquelme or Henry does.If you are clear I’ll pass to you and if I’m clear you pass to me.I believe the reason why Berbatov was unable to score so many goals was because of selfishness.Same thing that the Rude Good Great Van Nistelrooy allegedly complained of The Slave.
Now playing in tandem with the world’s most selfless sportsman,he is going to thrive.To me Berbatov is like a supreme playmaking Ruud.He is lethal in front of goal and is very inventive in the Riquelme mould.My opinion is Saf should play Rooney in front of Berbatov with the latter holding the ball up as he usually does so brilliantly and the former running into the spaces he usually finds effortlessly.I think this could turn out to be a great season in my very optimistic opinion
July 7th, 2009 at 0:04
@steve: Anderson is a 2nd striker???? That must be why the worldwide catholic church are lighting candles in their local churches that God would help Anderson to just score 1 goal
. I have no idea how Andie would get a striker role, 2nd striker or not 
.
July 7th, 2009 at 0:05
Grognard I will give you one name that no one was sure of fernando torres. were people really saying before his move he is the worlds best striker. do not say teams bid for him because no one were going head over heels to sign him. he did not even leave atletico until he was 23. I think moatinho would be a far better player in the team than out of position anderson.
July 7th, 2009 at 0:07
@steve: I doubt that Andy will ever manage to be a second striker. A playmaker, that is what he is. He is very attacking minded, he does play some incredible through passes and he can dribble with speed. He is an AM, although one who doesnt travel in the box a lot. Ive waited for Fergie to use Andy as a playmaker for a while now, and hopefully this will be that season.
July 7th, 2009 at 0:07
@NicoQB: Merlinus needs to hang out at Madrid blogs because he clearly is only a fickle United tv fan. A true United fan would not have said the things he said because he would feel bitterness and rage over the way Real raped us over the years and because he knows that right now, that would be poor form to rub that shite in our faces.
I can bloody well say this and mean it. If my other love Bayern Munich had pulled off the Ronaldo move in the manner that Real did, then I would have disowned them and I mean that. My first love is United and as much as I love Bayern, they need to know their place and respect the Red Devils. To be honest, I wasn’t particularly happy in the way the negotiations for Hargreaves went. United did a good job of pissing off Munich until Charlton came over to speak with Beckenbauer and calm the tattered nerves of the Germans. That threatened to damage the great relationship the two clubs have had historically which I being a fan of both have been very proud of. One thing is for sure, I could never be a fan of a team that could be as unethical, duplicite, evil and vile as Madrid have been to us and to others. There is no living with some people’s bad taste.
July 7th, 2009 at 0:10
Craig ask grognard that is how anderson made his reputation has a player the dynamic box of tricks forward. he was said to be the next ronaldinho who had it all. at porto he played the second striker and did you notice when he has played alongside flecther and carrick who carricks calm playing style on the ball, and fletchers aggressive style anderson has looked better because he has not had so much to do in a midfield 2.
July 7th, 2009 at 0:10
@Red Ranter: I see it more as a ‘tut’, but each to their own I guess
July 7th, 2009 at 0:11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzSVOcgKq04&feature=related
BARACKROLL!!!
July 7th, 2009 at 0:12
@Traverse: In England Germans are not overly popular even though it’s been 65 years since the last war that pitted the two nations against each other, but I must admit, I love Germans and Germany. Even the anal retentive, control freak types that must have things done in a certain way. They are efficiency fiends and you need official papers to walk across the street in Germany. Sticklers for efficiency. Perhaps that is why their country looks so beautiful and is so clean. Fotunately my Greek relatives and friends aren’t reading this or they would disown me.
July 7th, 2009 at 0:12
@steve: Ive got a tip foor you. Never try to make Grog be the one who backs up your claim that Andy is a great player.
July 7th, 2009 at 0:13
Grognard there is a site I borrow my sisters account and a madrid fan was going mad everytime I said anything good towards barcelona.
July 7th, 2009 at 0:15
@Jay wire: Berbatov will be much better without Ronaldo. Ronaldo was very selfish and never utilized Berbatov properly and never supplied him with quality passes. Berbatov was asked to track back and play more of an attacking midfield roe so that Ronaldo could slip in more and be a striker for his goals and his ego enhancement.
July 7th, 2009 at 0:15
RedDevilEddy when did I ever say anderson was a great player. if you have checked out my previous posts and one on rom website I have stated that anderson is a very poor player when it comes to playing in CM.
July 7th, 2009 at 0:15
@Grognard: But that tends to be when playing bigger clubs. When they play teams of an equal stature the games are always fast and furious attacking football*.
Villa, Spurs, Mercenary Citeh and Everton all go at each other. I can’t remember a boring game between them. Everton / Villa especially.
The teams below them against each other also. Obviously the bottom 5 or so get in the habit of trying to defend more than attack in numbers, but I’m sure that’s true of most leagues. Nobody just goes out to rollover.
*excludes Bolton and Blackburn….
July 7th, 2009 at 0:16
@steve: I hope you are right if we are lucky enough to get him.
July 7th, 2009 at 0:17
@steve:
Anderson is God, he is not poor! Now you wait here until I am back from crying in the corner because of you statement. 
July 7th, 2009 at 0:17
@Grognard: It’s more of a football rivalry than anything else for anyone under 70, damn penalty shootouts.
July 7th, 2009 at 0:18
@RedDevilEddy: It seems most of everyone here is all for the old English game of long balls,crosses,hard running & tackling,graft and direct football.Fine.I can’t change the way ppl view things because we are all unique.From my understanding and opinion,our new style is the best.Unpredictable,good passing,inventiveness,skill and speed.I hate the British way of football and it’s eagerness to stifle creativity.So I won’t argue about it anymore but if the British continue their physical and eye destroying footie just watch as La Liga becomes the most popular league in all of world football.
July 7th, 2009 at 0:19
@RedDevilEddy: I’m a great salesman but even I couldn’t sell a sack of shite like that. It’s like being a Lada or Yugo salesman in North America when they were trying to sell those jalopies to American and Canadian drivers. Few were that stupid.
July 7th, 2009 at 0:21
@steve: That would be expected don’t you think? Christ we all go mental here if a nice thing is ever said about the Dippers or Gooners.
July 7th, 2009 at 0:21
@Grognard:
Oh, its ON!!!
July 7th, 2009 at 0:21
@steve: I am certain wesley sneijder would guarantee us at least 10 goals a season, AT LEAST. I just firstly cannot believe that madrid have taken his place in the team and given it to a player who imo is very over rated in kaka, and have then put him onto a supposed transfer list cos they feel he isnt needed, just bloody madness. Maybe hes not the player others on here will feel kaka is, but for me kaka is very over rated and if im honest i would pick wesley over him, i know fergie never buys madrid players but if he doesnt go for him i will be severely pissed, even more so if as reported he goes to chelsea, he is perfect for us.
But anyway steve going back to your point it is true there are a lack of goal scoring midfielders and you are maybe right, maybe i was over criticial 5 or so goals a season minimum at sporting in a few years could lead to double that. Its true there are a real lack of central midfielders who can get into double figures, so i dont know maybe a few goals chipped in by moutinho wouldnt be so bad.
This for me settles an argument a few were having an hour or so ago about which type of player is better or something to their team. I love essien but for me you pick up a real quality DM for more places than you can a AM. Lets face it you want a goal scoring mid you have gerrard, lampard, sneijder, diego, say fabregas on a good year, and maybe a few others. Compare that to the top quality DMs you can pick up like flamini, gattuso, essien, mascherano, hargreaves, palacios, lassana diarra, yaya toure just to name a few and you can see that whilst essien may be a world class player in his position you can pick up an atleast very good DM from a lot of places but the amount of goal scoring midfielders is in short supply these days which to me seems a sign of the times, cos most teams play with defensive minded CMs anyway.
July 7th, 2009 at 0:21
RedDevilEddy hahaha good one he seems to be a god for the fans in the stretford end lol. some united fans seem to overate him I hope I am wrong and I eat humble pie it will be delicious.
July 7th, 2009 at 0:21
Lead story in the Sun, OBERTAN passed a medical at Carrington yesterday, and is due to sign a 4 year contract today
. He is costing us 8 million 
. He thought he could return home after the medical, but was told he had to stay and train with the team today. That’s the only bit which doesn’t ring true, because the players don’t supposedly return to training until Wednesday!
Also, SAF has supposedly gone back to Real Madrid for, wait fot it Grog – Huntelaar. SAF has been watching him for over a year apparently, but had plumped for Benzema, as he wasn’t quite convinced who would fit into our system better. He will cost us 20 million, the amount Real M paid for him. Inter Milan have gone in for him too, so it will be down to where Hunter wants to move. He turned down a 32 million move to Man City not so long ago, because he said they were the wrong Manchester club! So wonder if this is true then Grog.
July 7th, 2009 at 0:23
@Traverse: The lack of individual skill and finesse on those lesser clubs makes game unwatchable for me mate. I like finesse and creativity. They may go at each other but they rarely offer me a Riquleme fan, what I am looking for from the game. I love watching artists work, not plummers.
July 7th, 2009 at 0:24
Matt how about united make cheap offers for robben scjneider and hunteleer and we will have the cash to left over to replace our ageing stars. its not about burning the 100 million its about spending it wisely forget about ribery get the se three surely we can get them for under 30 million when madrid deperatly want to get rid.
July 7th, 2009 at 0:24
@steve: That pie will be more delicious than the pie of a hot woman!
July 7th, 2009 at 0:26
@RedDevilEddy: It’s on until I ghet that Huntelaar video you promised me. Unitel then, Anderson will be hamburger meat ready for the barbecue. Make my Huntelaar video and I will be part of the Much Love for Anderson Committee like I am for Nani. It’s up to you. You said you were bored, well unbore yourself and get to work on the Hunter tribute. And i will think of sweet things to say about Andy.
July 7th, 2009 at 0:28
@Craig Mc: Where are you getting this from bro? And it’s AC Milan that are moving for Huntelaar, not Inter. I want sources so that I can get my hopes up. Only to have them dashed yet again.
July 7th, 2009 at 0:28
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/2520698/United-land-8m-Gab.html
Obertan to sign today for £8million.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/2520476/Man-United-are-back-in-the-Hunt.html
Seemingly completely unfounded rumour.
July 7th, 2009 at 0:30
RedDevilEddy na cannot beat a hotwomen there. but I want humblepie over anderson berbatov nani hargreaves park etc but if we can add real madrid rejects like hunteleer schneider robben we will have one of the most outstanding squads with plenty of players wanting to prove to real madrid an d many others you mad a horror mistake
July 7th, 2009 at 0:38
DB9 The Count.The 007 0f football
July 7th, 2009 at 0:39
@Grognard: I look forward to picking up the thrilling Karlsruhe vs Arminia Bielefeld DVD then…..
July 7th, 2009 at 0:41
@Grognard: Its all over the Sun newspaper Grog, together with the Obertan medical yesterday and signing 4 year contract today!
July 7th, 2009 at 0:45
@steve: Oh yes mate, all 3 of those u mentioned are absolute quality and we could probably pick them up for no more than £40m. Robben though it sounds like real may be keeping after all now that it sounds like ribers aint coming but still i heard before he was on this list of players real wanted rid of and he would probably only have cost £10m, he would be a better option than this french guy whos coming in apparently for a similar price and from what ive seen of him im not too impressed.
As for sneijder well hes the player i want most, i would pay up to £30m for him and the beautiful thing is hes going cheap, i mean he aint gonna be getting much games at real is he, i think they even took his bloody number off him and gave it to someone else the bloody cheek. And as for huntelaar well hes just a world class striker, but from what ive heard hes off to AC with luis fabiano so it sounds like only sneijder is available to me.
Anyway for me theres only 5 players i would be remotely interested in singing right now tbh: aguero, sneijder, yaya, fabregas and ashley young but thats just my opinion but i would sneijder top of that list and be fully prepared to give him the number 7 and full FK and penalty duties cos hes that good, and the most realistic off that list, im sure he would come tomorrow if fergie wanted him enough, dont reckon we’ll get him though more is the shame.
July 7th, 2009 at 0:45
If we’ve picked up Obertan for £8 million it is a good deal. He sounds like he is the same sort of level Nani and Anderson were when we bought them for double the price. My main concern when I heard we were interested in this guy is we’d be suckered in to paying close to £20 million for unproven talent just like we did with Anderson and Nani.
So it would seem we now have Nani and Tosic manning the left wing and Obertan and Valencia manning the right wing. I pray to God this means Rooney never has to play on the wing again and can show the world how good he can be when played in the correct position.
Now we just need to buy a defensive midfielder to cover for Hargreaves if he’s gonna be injured all season, and ideally also an attacking midfielder who can score goals and create chances and impose himself a bit more than Carrick.
July 7th, 2009 at 0:45
@Traverse: What I don’t get Traverse, is that if we truly did get Obertan over for a medical today, how come there was no mention at all on MUTV, because there usually is a mention when a player is undergoing a medical – the mind boggles!
July 7th, 2009 at 0:48
@Craig Mc: You know the answer to that. That’s Top Secret Football Club for you.
Either that, or it’s just the Sun.
July 7th, 2009 at 0:49
I don’t buy the Huntelaar rumours. In Fergie’s mind Owen is going to replace Tevez and is going to be a third striker playing a limited number of games, Rooney and Berbatov are going to play most of the games and Welbeck and Macheda will get some chances as well. I also don’t think Real will sell to us. They do not want to strengthen their rivals if at all possible. Huntelaar will go to AC Milan Im sure of it.
July 7th, 2009 at 0:50
@Craig Mc: Maybe they’re just going to unveil him today. We didn’t get pictures of Valencia coming out of the hospital like we did for Owen, just reports it had happened and then the confirmation of his signing. Obviously the Owen story was much bigger news, so the SkySportsNews cameras were all over it. I look forward to seeing Obertan with the shirt tomorrow
July 7th, 2009 at 0:58
colver whats wrong in having 4 strikers like rooney hunteleer berbatov and owen. welbeck can be used on the wings, the italian is nowhere near ready and is berbatov really a long term success.
I mean if a front four of valencia robben on the wings who can actually offer good service for hunteleer owen rooney berbatov. rooney playing off hunteleer or berbatov and we can bring on owen berbatov and schneider at times has impact, we will be even a bigger problem for title rivals than when we had ronaldo. that is how you replace ronaldo sign owen schneider hunteleer robben valencia plenty of good players for good prices but fergies stubborn attitude towards madrid he will not do that.
anyone thinks a front four of
valencia robben rooney hunteleer is has good as a dream team and can match real madrids galacticos of ronaldo benzama kaka also add our bench if we got those players.
July 7th, 2009 at 1:16
@colver: Its possible Colver, because United have always in the past had 4 really good strikers to interchange. Also, I feel that SAF is not going to play Michael Owen more than 25-30 games, and so Huntelaar would be a good addition and would get games. Real may not want to sell, but really players and agents will get their way in the end. Look what is happening to Barca with Eto’o digging his heels in, and only agreeing to what he wants
.
July 7th, 2009 at 1:47
@steve: I agree, when it comes to strikers, the more the merrier!!
They are injured, and fall out of form more than any other set of players. The idea of having plenty of backup here makes much sense.
By the way, steve, would you do us all a favor and spend more time punctuating and formatting your posts. After all you do make some good points,,…. I think!!
July 7th, 2009 at 2:00
@colver: Your last paragraph is what I hope for too!! We do not have an imposing CMF that can add to our striking threat, and without Hargo, we don’t have one that can defend consistently either.
I would bet that Obertan will not produce in his first season, so this signing, if true, is for the future. But, still, this might show that SAF has his eyeballs focused on what, we all, perceive as a weakness!!
July 7th, 2009 at 2:03
Redrich ok I type so quickly I dnt bother checking I will in the future. I just do not think rooney berbatov and owen is a good enough strike force. Rooney is twice the player owen and berbatov will ever be and we really need a central striker. if rooney got injured is anyone really worried that owen and berbatov upfront is just not a strike force that puts the fear into teams. also we really need to juice up the attacking area up with schneider a dynamic wide player like robben that will give us the quality to retain the title.
July 7th, 2009 at 2:10
@Craig Mc: The Sun? Bro you should know better than to trust the Sun and the other site I read it from, that being the infamous Tribal Football. Those are just crap rumors. Although I would love to see it come true. Add Huntelaar and Toure to the addition of Owen, Valencia and that Frog and it’s a banner rebuilding job after losing Ronadlo and that piss ant Carlito. However, not Huntelaar or Toure, and we are looking right into the abyss.
July 7th, 2009 at 2:12
barca will not sell toure unless they have mascherano on board
July 7th, 2009 at 2:30
@Grognard: ….or the EUFA cup, or whatever they call it now!!
I’m getting some itchy feet, right now. This guy Obertan is another underwhelming strike IMO, and unless we are being cagey in our bidding, this doe not bode well.
At this rate, every player of any worth will be snapped up and long gone before we get somewhat desperate about our squad. Of course, as soon as SAF has a week or two of training to pore over, the ruins of 2008 will become apperent to him!!
July 7th, 2009 at 2:37
Redrich what u mean the ruins of 2008
July 7th, 2009 at 2:43
@steve: You’re beginning to talk my language, mate!!
However I’m not sure Schneider is on the radar, and Robben will probably end up in a hospital bed just like Owen will, the very one that Hargo has just managed to crawl out of!!
July 7th, 2009 at 2:45
@steve: The 2008 European champions, and the ruins that is left of it!!
July 7th, 2009 at 2:46
well not robben I was talking for bargain prices ashely young should be signed
July 7th, 2009 at 2:54
@steve: Well there you again mate, talking in gobbly-gook!! Re-read your comment, then translate into a language we can all understand!
July 7th, 2009 at 3:07
@steve:
pleasebreaksentencescan’tunderstandwhatyouwanttosay.
Slow down, slow down, slow down, slow down.
What’s the hurry mate?
July 7th, 2009 at 3:12
sorry people. I keep using text talk and it does get into my comments a lot. it is a habbit
July 7th, 2009 at 4:17
Isabel Lucas>Megan Fox!
July 7th, 2009 at 4:22
@Darth Red Diablo: Very inspiring!!
How ’bout Angelina Jolie>Margaret Thatcher??
July 7th, 2009 at 4:24
@Redrich: Whatever… ISabel Lucas Still >>>>> Megan fox!
July 7th, 2009 at 4:31
@Darth Red Diablo: Tell me about this Isabel, what does she do, or say, or look like, that inspires you so much??
July 7th, 2009 at 6:17
@Redrich: You haven’t seen transformers? Have you?
July 7th, 2009 at 7:42
Isabel Lucas is fine. but finer than Megan Fox?
hmm…i’m not sure about that.
July 7th, 2009 at 8:01
@steve: You mean habit.
July 7th, 2009 at 8:14
boring.. dull.. dreary..
July 7th, 2009 at 8:20
Gentle
sheepfolkreaders, greener pastures beckon. Kindly moveand graze.Regards,
Your shepherdRRJuly 7th, 2009 at 9:23
@Grognard: I am not sure how to take that?
July 7th, 2009 at 11:58
@Grognard:
“@Red Ranter: If Michael Essien was to go single handedly against Spurs I would predict a 3-2 win for Essien. “
Dont you think you’re exagerating just a tee-wee bit here????
I think it would be more like 5-1 for Essien. And, I’m sure he’d have things wrapped up after about 15mins. Their goal would come after he substituted himself.
July 7th, 2009 at 16:59
@Karl: I was trying to be fair to Spurs as well, I’m not completely won over with Essien’s goalkeeping skills yet.
