Jul 04
Carlos Tevez continues to spout venom
It seems some people find it hard to move on. We all acknowledge that sometimes, in a relationship, both parties might have been at fault and, like adults, we say what we have to say, and move on.
The relationship between clubs and players, players and managers and players and fans is not that different in essence. [Of course, if a player spites his fans, then the gloves are usually off, and we see even mild-mannered, cultured adults turn juvenile -- but I digress.]
Carlos Tevez, falls in the second category. And, by recent evidence, has shown little signs of growing up.
According to today’s report in the MirrorTevez accuses Fergie of lying to him about his squad status after signing Berbatov.
“Ferguson still believes I will be at United next season. He thinks I will return. But I know what I want and I know that Ferguson did not respect me as a player. Before Berbatov arrived in Manchester, Ferguson told me, ‘You will still be the starting striker, so be cool’. But he lied to me! That is why I know I will not return to United.
For one, football has become a squad game. Much of United’s success over the course of the past three years has been built around having good squad depth and players understanding that rotation is a part of life at United. Rotating players kept us in the hunt for a good part of the season. And for a manager, the toughest job is to ensure a reasonable mix of players for the right game. Tevez’s appearances over the course of the season is proof that he has got more playing time than some others in the side. He was mis-treated by the club management, of that there is little doubt. The United management weren’t forthright enough to work out his contract details, and we all know that. But today he still feels he has to whine some more to the press:
“What I want to do next season is score against United. I promise I will not celebrate in front of the United fans but I will shout in Ferguson’s face. You can be sure of that – and it will be one of the most beautiful things I have done in football.”
Well, Charlie. We wish you good luck on that. And you don’t have to bother trying to show respect to us fans. We aren’t really on your side anymore. And, just so you don’t wear a bewildered look when you visit OT, expect some booing from the stands.
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Update: Also, in case you haven’t heard, Wayne Rooney had a minor accident when he bumped his head. Doctors thought he may have had a concussion. But it was reported to be nothing serious. Today Rooney updated his twitter status, and like we jobless folks track stuff like this, here’s what he says on his head and Owen:
Thanks for all the messages my heads fine it wont stop me starting preseason il be there on Monday looking forward to meeting up with Michael Gosh that was a shock but hes a proven goal scorer but maybe just not been at the right club thats no offence to Newcastle. The Gaffer knows what hes doing always has I think this could be a Great season again for Utd Cant wait , Hols nearly finished! Bye 4 now.
So with those golden words from the Roon, we can sleep today in peace.
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http://www.tribalfootball.com/tevez-utd-fans-will-forgive-me-man-city-switch-255011
He really thinks he has the fans in his back pocket doesnt he
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He is in for quite the shock come 19th of September!!
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@Grognard: Grog, how can he keep silent when 2 teams from Spain, and 2 teams from Italy are making noises to him through his agent. I think the lad should in these circumstances find out if he fits into Fergie’s plans at all, because last season he didn’t. Why should he miss his opportunities, if Fergie is just going to mess him about again. I think YOU ARE WRONG GROG. Nani has said nothing to the press, but to go into Fergie’s office and ask if he fits into SAF’s plans or not, is what he should be doing. That is what I would do if I was feeling unsure about my future. He has options, and I think Fergie should tell him, and not BULLSHIT him with fake promises!
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@Traverse: Fergie should have got Palacios when he had his chance, because you know Spurs, they will once again triple the price just to fuck us over! Why should we keep lining their pockets?
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@Dan: He is¨nt gonna fully realise how we feel until September 19th… Fucking cunt, he should expect to be surprised!
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
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@RedDevilEddy: @Dan:
Nani > Young
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@NicoQB: Young > Messi
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@NicoQB: Honestly, Young+Rooney> Ronaldo+Ribery. Im serious…
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There is one thing I admire greatly with United, which I think will be a very important factor again this summer. Manchester United buy players, not names. And the players we buy, we are the ones who give them a name.
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Did you all hear that Barca was apparently considering a 30million Euro bid for none other than Diego Forlan?
Now the thing with Forlan is that I clearly remember people – and most UTd fans included – that he was not good enough for United.
For me that case is very similar to what we are now experiencing with Nani. Both players had occasional playing stints, but very rarely were granted a prolonged incusion in the starting eleven. And when they were, they produced the goods. If I’m not mistaken Forlan started playing really well, scoring and all, when Ruud came back from injury and Diego was subsequently benched.
The Nani case is strikingly similar as many people are rating his productivity based from his occasional outings.
Now Eddy is Young’s greatest fanboy here, but even Young had plenty of game time to show what he’s capable of, and I for one would bet on Nani to be able to produce what Young delivered given the same amount of minutes, and in a more entertaining manner too!
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@RedDevilEddy: I think Eric Cantona, Dimitar Berbatov Rio Ferdinand etc would beg to differ.
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@Red Ranter: I think rafael, yorke, OGS etc would beg to differ
I think eddy has a point, we do buy players and turn them into stars, but sometimes its players we knew would always be stars who ever they signed for, like rooney.
But i agree, we do sign the odd big name player every now and again.
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@NicoQB: “Now Eddy is Young’s greatest fanboy here…”
I have been for a while mate, I wanted us to sign him when he was at Watford. But because it was “Watford”, yuk, I knew that Fergie wouldnt go for him. But when O`Neill bought him I was happy to see a club of that status give him the kind of belief they did. He got great confidence from that, and as we all know confidence is vital for wingers. They are histe without it, and that is why Nani hasnt had such a great season. He didnt have the confidence the likes of Ronaldo, Giggs or Becks had when they stepped onto the scene. Now, even though Ashley Young is a player I admire highly and what I would call my dream United signing, I want Nani to become the player we all believe he can become. He is my most favorite player behind Andy, Wazza and Vida, and the way he played in the 2007/08 season and parts of last were amazing! If there is one player I want to to fullfil his potensial, well, besides from Andy, its Nani! Which is one reason why I am a little turned off by a Young transfer… 
Nani can become a world beater, he is an amazing talent which I feel can only become better. If he fails at United, its only because of missing confidence. Fucking hell, he has the ability and the quality, the only thing he needs is to feel that Fergie and the fans are behind him!
Even so, we do really need a new winger. If either Nani or Valencia gets injured, it means Park will have to play.
And even worse, if we dont buy a new winger Ji may be our second choice winger behind Valencia! 
Which is why I feel we still need a new winger, and Ashley Young would be the one I preffered…
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@Red Ranter: Cantona, Berbatov, Rio, Rooney, Cole and maybe even Ruud would beg to differ. But there arent that many players during Fergies 23 years that have come to Old Trafford with a huge name. Veron failed, so i dont count him. Those six are all I can think of, but then there are the likes of Ronaldo, Rafael, Carrick, Nani, Solskjær, Yorke, Kanchelskis, Schmeicel, Keano, Vidic and Evra. Who would have believed that we would buy Sheringham, Larsson and Owen?! Two of those made great things for our club, and Owen can prove a real gem. Now there is Valencia, who people may not think is sucha good player. But he may turn out to be a world beater! Who knows?
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I think we should give the number 7 to Valencia unless we buy a new player. e have to remember that even thought the number 7 shirt has belonged to some huge names within football, Becks, Ronaldo, Cantona and Best, some of those names werent even known before they were at United. Back then, Becks wasnt more rated that Gibson is right now! Ronaldo wasnt bigger than Valencia, practically the same. Cantona was probably the only guy that had a “big name” when he got the jersey. I know the number 7 shirt is now more than just a number, it is the sacred number in the squad. BUT, it also is a token for belief and potensial. Ronny, Becks and Kanchelskis? Yeah, so we should give a number to a young player that can turn out great, or a new signing which has a big future ahead of him. In Fergies eyes, that man may be Valencia, as he has gone for him for more than a year! So maybe, just maybe…
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@RedDevilEddy: Other candidates are:
Wayne Rooney
Danny Welbeck
Rafael
Macheda
Anderson
Nani
Hoping for Rooney to bes honest…
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@RedDevilEddy: You have to count Veron because
he was a big name, and because your assertion was we don’t buy big names. And even if we don’t, what is so unique about it? Apart from Real Madrid, who started this whole galacticos thing, and Chelsea, in recent history most of the big clubs succeeded in attracting the most promising young talents from South America and Europe. Squad development has always been the focus in most normal football clubs. Clubs like Barcelona, Milan have historically built clubs not by blindly buying the best talent that is there. So I don’t think we are unique in that respect. Like most successful clubs we look to find the best mix of stars and young promising talent. So to me your assertion that only United seem to do that (as if others don’t) doesn’t make sense to me.
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@RedDevilEddy: Since you put Anderson and Rafael in that list, you might as well put rest of the United squad names in it as candidates.
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@Dan: My point is we do both and maintain a good mix. And most successful clubs in the real world do that — apart from Real, Chelsea (and now Man City is attempting to do it). So it’s nothing unique of United. Eddy was making a blanket statement that “we don’t buy stars, we buy players”. Which is what I was disagreeing with.
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@Dan: I predict a rude awakening for that awfully cocky little bastard. Just come to Old Trafford you piece of crap. Even those who backed you would do so had you not bashed their God. SAF is a god to all of us. And even though many of us curse the God’s name in vain sometimes, we believe and we love him and respect him for everything he has done for this team in 25 years of service. And this Argentine piss ant shows up with his arrogance and limited IQ and thinks we will turn on our own for his sake? He can fuck off straight to Hell. And i expect everyone in Old Trafford to let him have it and kick his ass if he embarrasses Fergie like he has threatened. Where the hell is Roy Keane when we need him?
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@Craig Mc: As usual your intense Nani love is blinding you from what I was really saying. You are overreacting a bit mate. I just don’t want Nani sabotaging his chance to play a lot by opening his mouth and demanding an audience with the Gaffer to discuss his concerns. If he wants that, do it in private and don’t do it through the media. I am worried that his frustration may blow up in his face mate. I love the Lil Man and I do not want him to piss Fergie off and then force Fergie to sell him. He needs to be quiet, and wait it out and see how Fergie decides his role for this season. Now does that sound like anti Nani sentiment mate? I fully expect more playing time for him this season and I am hoping he incorporates a moonwalk in his goal celebrations.
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@Craig Mc: There is bad blood with Spurs and i think getting anyone from them in the near future is a forlorn hope.
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@Red Ranter: What I meant that we, unlike other succesful clubs, continue with our philosophy. Arsenal still play young lads that they get from the academy and such, but I wont call them succesful. Liverpool didnt post a serious challenge to us until they bought Torres, Macherano and Keane. Chelsea were the worst, but they have calmed lately. Because of what Real have done this summer, I feel incredibly proud of what United do. Owen may have been a big name, but he was a signing out of the blue! A has been, nobody really expected that. Valencia too, and we used players such as Welbeck, Gibson, Rafael, Evans and Macheda many times last season, very important players to our title win. So what I meant by my statement is that Im proud that United didnt panic to buy a “big name” to replace Ronaldo, but instead a player like Valencia, with no higher status than Ronny had in 2003. Anderson and Nani werent particulary “big names”, even though they cost a lot, and they are poised to be replacements for two of the biggest names in Manchester United history, Ryan Giggs and Paul Scholes. Not Ribery, not Aguero, not Ronaldinho or such, but players like Costa, Sanchez and Valencia. Which makes me even prouder to be a United fan, and makes me wonder how ashamed the Real fans must feel…
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@RedDevilEddy: Like i said yesterday, I fully expect the cunt to be at the end of the bench by then and possibly not even used at all in the game. Tevez is an ordinary player with shite for brains. It won’t take long for Sparky to realize he has a lemon on his hands.
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@RedDevilEddy: Good point. But I want us to buy some names too because we have 80 million to spend and they need to appease us fans with a big name to cover for the loss of the hugest name in the game.
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@NicoQB: It’s the old saying different horses for different courses. It wasn’t that Forlan wasn’t good enough for us, he was just the wrong fit. Different style suited to a more continental style. He actually would be a great fit for us today as we play a style that is more conducive to his now. Ironic actually.
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@Red Ranter: Wouldn’t you throw JS Park and Anderson in that group too RR?
Or do names of infamy not count?
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@RedDevilEddy: As long as we don’t have a sure fire guaranteed recipient of the #7 jersey, we know that we are a superstar too short on our team. Someone great and dynamic has to be bought to fill that jersey because we presently have nobody who suitably deserves to wear it. Rooney is a forward and he deserves the #10. #7 is more ideal for a midfielder, AMF or winger. Yes Cantona wore it but Cantona was more like AMF than a conventional forward. He wasn’t about goals as much as he was about setting them up.
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@Red Ranter: Lets look at our squad!
GK: VDS, Foster, PIG
RB: Rafael, Brown, Neville, Oshea
CB: Rio, Evans, Vidic
LB: Evra, Fabio
RM: Valencia, Park
CM: Carrick, Anderson, Scholes, Giggs, Gibson, Hargreaves, Fletcher
LM: Nani
ST: Rooney, Berbatov, Owen, Welbeck, Kiko
In that squad, I will say only 3 were “big name” signings. Rooney, Berba and Rio. If we look at Chelsea, we will find many more big name signings. I dunno if you can call Arsenal or Liverpool a succesful squad, so dont count them.
Barca I respect, because many of their players are made by the club, not bought. Real Madrid fans should feel ashamed, as they only have Casillias and Raul tos how for it. Marcelo, Pepe and Diarra are probably the only names in that squad that arent bought as a big name. So when you compare our squad, and our transfer targets, to other teams such as Chelsea and Real Madrid, I feel proud we stand by our philosophy. 
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@RedDevilEddy: How about Sergio Aguero?
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@Red Ranter: I would gladly put Anderson on the “transfer” list.
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The big problem I have with Fergie, is that yes he brings players in, and says “yes, they are for the future.” Then he gets all attached to the one or two and foams over them, and they get every advantage, like Rooney and Ronaldo particularly. The others have to take a backseat, and this is why Anderson, Nani etc have regressed rather than progressed. We forget that these players are really just young lads, who in blind faith have stepped away from their homelands, families, cultures and everything they have known, to come to fulfil dreams at United. Yet they are not all on an equal footing, some have their confidence stroked continually by Fergie, while others barely get a glance. Not everybody has great or even good things to say about our Manager. Pique felt rejected by SAF, and in truth I suspect Rossi did too. That’s just a couple of youngsters. We all know SAF has his favourites and its no use denying it! ALL young players should be encouraged and have their confidence built up, but I know with SAF their is a flaw in his attitudes here!
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@Grognard: Ronaldo was not a superstar when he arrived. Becks wasnt a superstar back then either. But they became some of the biggest names in United folklore, something I feel Fergie will continue with. Rooney might not be the ideal guy, but if we really are to show that shirt the force it deserves(heart of United), then Wazza should get it as he is gonna be the main man from now on. But if we opt for youth/potensial, maybe Nani, Valencia, Anderson or Welbeck?
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@Grognard: Your just not getting it Grog. As I said in my post, Nani has spoken to the press, and their were no direct quotes from him in the article or otherwise. Several clubs would like him, and the article writers sources in OT (NOT NANI), have said that he will be discussing with SAF soon where he fits into his plans. Whenever Nani has talked to the press he has ALWAYS said positive and not negative things about the club. But I personally think he does need to know where he stands, and I know for a fact, that Fergie doesn’t mind any player going to him and chatting to him about their futures. I dont believe they should have to do that, Fergie should let them know where they stand, and how he feels about them, because young lads do feel unnerved and insecure, especially if they don’t understand, or are never told WHY they are left out, when others are never left out. I see we are NEVER going to see eye to eye on this Grog, so I will leave the discussion there
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Grog, sorry I meant Nani HAS NOT spoken to the press in that article!
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@RedDevilEddy: All I am saying is we aren’t the only side to practice this philosophy. The great AC Milan teams Barca etc also have done it. And I think Arsenal have had success in the past and so have a lot of other teams. I see what you are saying, and our spending stats based on the last decade seem to indicate that Pool have in fact spent more than us too. But my point is we aren’t alone in it, although now that you’ve added that not many have been as successful as us, it makes more sense than your initial assertion.
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Is Rooney a clumsy GIT or not? According to the docs who treated him after horseplay on his hired yacht led to him faliing hard on the deck, he almost sliced his ear off, and had to have 45 stitches apparently. They said his ear was so bad, and bleeding so profusely, that it was almost impossible to repair, so cosmetic surgeons had to be called in. Now they say the ear should be like normal again in time
. If anyone is more injury prone than Rooney in our squad, I’d like to know who!
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@Craig Mc: Michael Owen Hargreaves?
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@Traverse: Yeah Bro, but Michael Owen Hargreaves were injured whilst ON the field, and not away from it. Think back not so long ago when Rooney was out because he was messing about in training, and fell over a practice small net goalpost. You see what I mean
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@Craig Mc: My god, could he possibly get any uglier.
Mind you, having his ears sewn back might actually help!!
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@Craig Mc: Wasn’t there a goalkeeper who did his metatarsal by dropping a jar of mayonnaise on his foot?
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@Traverse:
This takes the cake though.
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@Redrich:
awwww shame eh 
. It’s looney Rooney!
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@Red Ranter: Get a load of this one!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIKdK-T-jZM
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@Redrich: Good grief, I bet they sued whoever put up those hoarding eh? – NASTY!
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@Traverse: I hadn’t heard that one Traverse
. I guess EVERY club must have them then, and our is Rooney 
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@Red Ranter: Jari Litmanen once injured his eye on international duty when another player opened a can of coke, and the ringpull flicked off and hit him!
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@Craig Mc: David James did a back muscle reaching for a TV remote once
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@Traverse:
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Pfff!!
Don’t know what to think…
http://manchesterunitednews.net/blog/?p=1321
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