May 21
CHAMPIONEEEESSSSSS! YESSSSS!
UPDATE: I want to write a report, but don’t know where to start. Give me some more time to collect my thoughts (because yesterday was a blur), and I promise I’ll make it up to you.
Article when I get sober.
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I wouldn’t focus too much on that stuff. Manchester United and Chelsea are bitter rivals, maybe even more so than Manchester United and Arsenal back in the day.
Players from both sides made faces and screamed and swore when decisions went against them.
The only thing I am against, and I think Chelsea are much guiltier of this than Manchester United, is when a throng of players descend on the refereee when a decision goes against them. It is intimidation and referees deserve better. Individual players should be allowed to ask for clarification on dubious decisions but not a group of players.
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@Craig
I thought that too but the follow through often determines the placement/quality of the kick. it may seem like it’s left his boot once he slips but where his body goes afterwards could make or break it. fortunately for us, it broke it
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i struggle to see your point. once you’ve demonstrated that Chelsea are evil, what next? does the Cup become bigger? do we revoke the titles and cups they’ve won? do we ask for all of their players never to be called up to play for England again?
harassing the ref has always been part of the game, no one’s innocent and it doesn’t become any worse because the team you hate does it. trying to trick the referee into making the wrong decision is also part of the game. It hurts me to do so, but you should remember what Ronaldo did against Rooney at the world cup. snidey to say the least.
diminishing the merit of your opponent MAKES YOUR WIN SMALLER NOT BIGGER.
but that is a known side-effect of bandwagoning: you see the wins, and not the defeats, and winning becomes a divine right, hence the use of “justice” and the general inability to accept defeat as a normal part of the game. You should have been there to see when we were crap, would have made a world of good
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# colver says: May 23rd, 2008 at 12:55
I wouldn’t focus too much on that stuff. Manchester United and Chelsea are bitter rivals, maybe even more so than Manchester United and Arsenal back in the day.
Players from both sides made faces and screamed and swore when decisions went against them.
spot on, colver. it’s called passion, nothing evil
The only thing I am against, and I think Chelsea are much guiltier of this than Manchester United, is when a throng of players descend on the refereee when a decision goes against them. It is intimidation and referees deserve better.
seen arsenal do that, seen united do that, seen Leeds do that, seen Juventus, Inter, Milan Real Madrid do that.
very much, if despicable, part of the game. Something to be stamped out on, like the imaginary card-waving, but nothing to fiddle on about for ages once the game is over. and has been won
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oh and forgot to mention Liverpool. the great 1970′s liverpool. an endless torrent of moaning and referee harassing
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right i’ve been studying the terry miss for about 10 hours now and i think i know what was in his head at the time of the penalty.
As the Penalty takers are being chosen, two demons (God & Devil) inside the simple mind of Mr Chelsea start to take over resulting in the following:
God: Dont put your hand up John, you are a centre half and have club feet and it’s bound to end in tears…..
Devil: Dont listen to him John, You are Mr Chelsea and once you score the Headlines will be “Mr Chelsea win’s the European Cup” or “Now for the Captaincy” ” A True Hero”…………
JT: I’m taking the Last Penalty and thats that Grant, ok!
As John walks up to take the desciding penalty.
Devil: Look hard JT, the world is watching……
God: Pick a spot John, kick it low and hard, but concentrate…
Devil: No John, You see that Top right hand corner? Blast it like you are sending a message to the Whole World, I’m John Terry and i deserve the glory, I’m Mr Chelsea look at me…………
Then John Misses……..
God: You should have listened, i warned you didnt i?
Devil: Pretend you slipped, blame the surface and cry John, Cry cos if it can work for Gazza it will work for you………
alright i saw this on 606 but hell is it funny.
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my poor united of old…..”bandwagon” written all over….
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Well I was watchin the match on television and MArtin tyler was just praising Terry before the
penalty..Mr.Chelsea,the man who can play thru the pain barrier blah blah blah etc….In the end he was Mr.Chelshit
and Mr.Crybaby, frickin pussy of a player who only can spit like a frickin coward and then deny it like a wimp.
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who are you?
in other news we have been linked with Spartak Moscow keeper Stipe Pletikosa, a 29 year old Croat. is this the end of pig?
and of course schuster is at it again saying “Sooner or later Cristiano Ronaldo will wear the merengue shirt” dip shit.
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devil61; Manchester United have never ever resorted to the gang rape tactics of intimidating referees that both Chelsea and Arsenal have used many times in the past. Yes they are guilty of diving offenses and other minor dirty tricks to turn referees decisions their way, like all teams but I for one cannot recall in recent memory a time when they forcibly surrounded a referee, shouted in his face and even poked and prodded him to change his decision or to see things their way. Chelsea and Arsenal are coached to do this. Wenger has always been a bully towards refs and he teaches that kind of mentality to his players. Chelsea learned this bad habit from Mourinho because lets face it, having class and respect for the game is not one of the “Special One’s” strongest character traits. As for Grant, he isn’t even a manager. He’s a caretaker. The man just sits and does nothing for entire games. He has allowed the players (inmates) to run the asylum and he just sits back and hopes for the best. He’ll say and do anything to avoid a mass exodus from the club because lets face it, nobody on the club respects him for his football mind.
United are not perfect and there are players like Ronaldo, Nani and even Rooney that need to stop screaming and begging to refs to stop the injustice. It’s childish and frustrating to watch but the team does not have a collective gang mentality when it comes to intimidating refs. They leave that up to Fergie to take care of that. And it shows because no manager gets fined as much as he does for his outbursts during and after games. He has coached his team to honor the jersey and the team they represent and to never do anything as despicable as what the two big London clubs do at least 6 times a year. Ironically I can understand a little of Joe Cole’s frustration with the ref. Quite often the ref got the call wrong on balls that were given as goal kicks or throw ins for United when in fact the ball went out off of a United player and not Cole. This can be nerve racking and frustrating in such a big game and it caused Cole to snap on numerous occasions. But the rest of the BS was completely schoolyard and unprofessional. Drogba is a big piece of turd and a selfish idiot who cost his team the title. And John Terry defies a term to best describe what a horrible human being he is and a what despicable leader he has been for Chelsea and England. Countless examples of “PASSION” gone wrong. This guy should be leading one of those hooligan firms because he has the look for it and the IQ as well. He is a thug and a punk and he deserves the book thrown at him. He should share a jail cell with Joey Barton for all I care. It appears that God hates John Terry too as he saw fit to deny him his moment of undeserved glory by making the earth move. Now if he could only do the same for George Bush the world would be a better place.
Sorry devil61 but you do agree with many of my points already. It’s just up to me to clarify a little more precisely the massive gap in class between United and Chelsea. Your team is a quality team with great talent, and poor leadership. But they are also a band of misfits, and spoilt millionaires who feel they are owed something simply because they are Chelsea FC. What they are deemed is the their collective sofa’s back home where they can sit and cry while they watch over and over the replay of the game that broke their collective black hearts. They are a classless disruptive element on the beautiful game and a total disgrace. I honestly cannot understand how anybody outside of Chelsea can be a fan of this team? Just how bad are they? My favorite player in football is Michael Ballack and he makes me sick presently because of his decision to play for Chelsea and to participate in all their classless antics. It’s not befitting the captain of a proud and dignified German National Team. As for people who live in Chelsea, my sympathies. That’s quite the cross to bare for your loyal, devoted and blind support of sports classic version of organized crime.
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Lets not get on our high horse and feel sorry for Chelsea for God sake. We beat a horible nasty bunch of thugs, we should bring up the spitting because it was a disgrace. If Ronaldo had spat at Terry and we had lost there would be a media frenzy.
And I am a genuine supporter
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“Manchester United have never ever resorted to the gang rape tactics of intimidating referees that both Chelsea and Arsenal have used many times in the past. ”
it’s not you and me alone who have to judge that. i can go on for ages parping about how handsome and righteous i am but ultimately it’s only my opinion. Fandom is good. blind fandom not as much
“Yes they are guilty of diving offenses and other minor dirty tricks ”
ask other supporters and you’ll find they’re not deemed “minor”. are they right? i dont know
here ends the sense and you descend into the pure offensive. there are bad losers. and there are bad winners.
It didnt use to be like that
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“Lets not get on our high horse”
not as long as you give us a bad name
“feel sorry for chelsea”
in fact i feel sorry for you.
chelsea scum
that’s what you’re gonna be in two years time, or what you used to be two years ago.
i’ve alway been that, and i’ve always respected rivals
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i cant believe a so called fan of ours is condoning a team filled with thugs and scum. john terry is scum, micheal ballack is scum dont get me started on dider drogba, the only decent player they have their is frank lampard, chelsea are scum. you are not a fan, just a jealous chelsea fan trying to convince us of your crap, get over it, you loss, stop this pettiness and go support your slipper, i mean skipper sorry.
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I think you a living in a duluded world my friend. Firstly I do not give our great club a bad name. And I am certainly not scum. I respect plenty of our rivals, but not a manufactured club built on money not history.
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[dan]
I think you are missing his point. devil61′s point is about us fans showing class in defeat as well as victory irrespective of opposition.
[devli61]
The intent behind your point was right, but the moment you resort to personal attacks and taunts at fellow commenters, most of what you say loses credibility. A case of the pot and kettle. It’s alright to have an opinion, but being judgemental and taunting others here — save that for moments of introspection in your own living room. Not on this site.
And if the target of your ire is on the treatment meted out to Terry, I’ll speak for myself because I put up the pic on top — if you have read my articles in the past you will understand I tend to call the gaffer, (or the players) on it if I think something is amiss. The euphoria of winning the Champions’ League was a feeling I experienced after 9 long years which partly was responsible for the taunt. But I would have had sympathy had the game been played out in good spirit. It wasn’t, and especially Chelsea didn’t. So no, I don’t have the least sympathy for their predicament. And I don’t think we lose class by occasionally rubbing it in to John Terry — who tried to create a “tough as nails, I want my England captaincy back” attitude that had a good part of the England public fawn over him. I don’t like his fake sense of self-worth. Rio has matured by far and has shown more class than he’s been given credit for.
But that’s for a later date. I don’t have to really explain why I chose to rub it in, nor do I have to listen to statements that choose to judge me rather than contribute opinions on the game.
Your point was well taken, despite the taunts, but that is all. Move on.
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devil61; Really mate, what do you hope to prove coming on to a Manchester United blog and trying to convince us of the virtues of Chelsea? I respect your right to cheer for whomever you like and with total passion and commitment, but don’t come on to our site and start accusing us of favoritism, being offensive and poor winners. I would feel bad for any team on the planet for losing a game like that except for three, them being Chelsea, Liverpool and Real Madrid. These teams and the majority of their supporters represent everything that is wrong with the game today. I do not include you as one of those type of supporters as you are clearly dedicated and logical in your arguments. But to come on to Red Rants and expect sympathy from a group of Man Utd supporters who have had to endure shite from the likes of Arsenal, Liverpool, and especially Chelsea is just not cricket.
You don’t have to condone our comments and you don’t have to participate in our blog if what we say offends you. I for one am not trying too ffend you. I am clearly stating fact and I took the time and effort to put forward an argument that I feel you have no way of arguing against. I agreed that our players can singularly make asses of themselves on occasion. But they never have displayed a gangland mentality and a total disregard for the rules of conduct in the game and towards other players and referees in the way that Chelsea and Arsenal do. Whether the referee is wrong or not is a mute point. It’s plain and simple, they have no tact, no respect for the official, the game or themselves when they act like that. So forgive us if we get on “our high horses” and demonstrate a loyalty and a defense of Manchester United. A team that plays the game with skill, class and dignity. And I suggest that you go find a Blues blog out there that will give you warmer shoulder to cry on. You are barking down the wrong street over here I’m afraid. I seriously doubt if Chelsea would have shown the class after victory that we showed them. But then again, we would never have expected them to elevate themselves to a level they are incapable of getting to. Supporting Chelsea in this argument is nothing more than sour grapes I’m afraid. And I for one do not welcome it on this blog.
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“Read and learn to be a proper supporter…..”
“and please get me right: stop stirring the shit about the spitting incident: no complaint was filed for that. no point in continuously bringing it up, since it doesn’t add to the monumental value of our achievement. if something happened UEFA will take action. end of.”
thats the point isnt it? being a proper supporter, i am entitled to rage about someone who has shit on the good name of a sport loved by millions with his thuggery…
i can understand if u were to say we shouldnt trample on the losers of a cup final if it was PLAYED IN GOOD SPIRIT. but all that went out the window when chelsea put on their uniforms and steped out onto the pitch…
isnt it funny how as many proven red supporters here think you are a blue fan? and it isnt because of lack of reading, but you seem so weirdly biased in their favour… did you not see the same things we did? did you not boil at their acts of poor sportsmanship? because i did…no, all i read was about how you thought our players were being crass as well….. and according to you, you are the lesson in being a proper supporter…
oh please…… i tried to show respect to your opinion as a ranter, but u asking me to stop stirring up shit for JT to be punished is as plain disrespectful and a juxtapose against your calls to respect the blues… because respect is key isnt it?
am i not entitled to my views? am i not entitled to be a supporter in my own right? was there a manual on how to be a red devil supporter? because if there is… send me a copy… and ill laugh happily at it while reading it…
so in short, it is a tad hard to get you right… respect opponents but not your fellow supporter’s view and opinions… focus on our team’s unsporting behaviour as an excuse for the other team to behave badly… ala chicken and egg arguement…. be right and proper supporters by doing that and not being stirred up by the passionate game…
mighty hard to be a proper supporter isnt it?
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btw…. devil61 is a man utd supporter…. so he says…
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If devil61 is Man Utd supporter then I am married to super model.
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[Grognard]
I think he mentions it. Plus, if he calls himself devil61 it would be a reference to red devils, don’t you think?
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Red Ranter; I’m being sarcastic. For all I know the devil could be signifying his allegiance to Roman Abramovich.
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