Aug 19
Citeh 1-0 Reds: Unbelievable
Update 3: There are two things that are happening at the moment. We can’t find the net even if the goal is a mile wide. Teams we play against suddenly have some Supermen springing up at their defence. Hahnemann in the Reading game, James in Portsmouth and this time Richards. Detailed report later. Just can’t believe it!
Update 2: At half time despite running all over City, United somehow manage to be behind by a goal. A deflected Geovanni goal (off Vidic) against the run of play separate the two sides.
And yeah, I fuckin’ can’t believe it! I guess so would you. We kept possession well, Nani had a few genuine chances. Tevez was good in patches but was isolated for most part. Hargreaves has been impressive and has stuck on to Elano for most part.
Oh, well. This season doesn’t look good as far as our luck seems to be going.
Update: Hargreaves to start today. Campbell on the bench. Giggs plays on the left with Nani and Tevez completing the front three. Watch this space for updates.
So we head over to City for a key game, crucial to our confidence and everything. Meanwhile two other biggies, Chelsea and Liverpool, clash with one another. Arsenal have a tricky trip to Ewood Park. So here’s hoping they all drop points. (Although, I’d rather Chelsea lose against Liverpool. We have a better chance catching up with the ‘Dippers.)
Back to the game, discuss away on our comment threads or better on our very own Man Utd forum.
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To all you wonderfully loyal fans who settle for mediocrity and complacency from your EPL champions, I salute you. Give me a frakken break. There is an old saying that goes like this; “What have you done for us lately”. Last season is old news. I don’t care if they were world beaters last season. All I know is this season they look disinterested, unimaginative an incapable of hitting the side of a barn from 4 feet. They look pathetic and above all the team has not just been outplayed but out managed in all three matches they have played. I am sick and tired of players always getting injured which makes me wonder what kind of fitness and physio training they are getting. Fine, Rooney’s injury could not be helped but even there, you have a player who has had a history of foot related fractures and he continues to wear modern shoes that are light and as soft as slippers. Not the protection a player like he needs after this injury history. Man U need to go get another top quality striker and right now. Not tomorrow, not next week, but right frakken now. Also, read some players the riot act. There is a term that is used in ice hockey when a player is not working hard, concentrating or going that extra mile, it’s called FLOATING. What we have is entire team floating. But eventually the boat will spring a major leak and end up like the Titanic. They should be ashamed of themselves. Allowing a useless bunch of misfits like Reading, Pompey and Man City to beat them or tie them is completely unacceptable. In the corporate world in which I work, the entire bunch would get the sack. You don’t pay that kind of money and receive that kind of aimless passionless play from your millionaires. SAF and Carlos need to go back to the blackboard and construct a faster more fluid style of 4-4-2 play that will also help players to create holes that TWO strikers up front can expose and take advantage of. The cream must rise to the top, instead of sitting in the heat and going sour. To all the lads and coaching staff at Man U I ask you……..NO, I plead with you….PLEASE WAKE THE HELL UP.
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Hey guys!!…chill!!…WE are behaving like Chelski fans now!!!…We are going thru a patch where we “had” to throw in our new signings directly into action rather than the slow gradual settling in we all thought will happen…Nani and Tevez shud not be starting at this stage of the season if Roo and ronnie was there…They have been thrown into our style of play or tactics on one fine morning…Allow them to settle down…Stop Glory hunting!!!….BUY Another striker???my foottt…Dont that sound like a shitty money crazy Blue suckers!!!
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There is no other explanation for the disappointing results other than a spell of bad luck. Look at the injuries we’ve had. Look at how well (relatively) we’ve been playing and then look at the fact that we have one goal in 3 games to show for it. We’ve dominated shots and shots on goal in all our games, but simply have very little to show for it. And look at the quality of the teams we’ve faced. Reading’s defense was brilliant, Pompey did a very good job and I doubt any team in the world could have scored on City the way Richards and the Great Dane’s son were playing today. I trust SAF when he says that he isn’t worried. It’s not that we haven’t found our form – it’s just that we have only one goal to show for it. And once Saha, Ole, Neville, Anderson, and Ronaldo are ready, we will be able to beat anyone. Rooney’s return in November will only give us another shot in the arm when we are finishing up the CL group phase. Just remember, we still have 35 more games in league and loads of talent. Of course there will be times when nothing seems to be going right, despite our best efforts. But I’m sure there will also be periods when all goes perfectly due to blind luck. Remember what happened in ’99? I don’t think any Man Utd supporter can honestly say that the glory of that campaign would have been possible if not for some amount of luck.
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This has been a worst weekend .
Yeah i am talking about the game we lost against City.
What i can’t believe is are we run out of luck ? Because we are playing a wonderful football, but we dont get the result we needed. Remember last year away match against Liverpool, we played awfully but we get away with a win at last minute.
This season we are having a nightmare start ,
First match 35 minutes Rooney injured and out for 2 months.
Second Match Ronaldo red card and ban for 3 matches.
Third Match we lost to our derby rivals.
Few positives from the match , Owen Hargreves – He delivered an outstanding performance.
Others played there part, but nothing eye catching. I have to say Richards outplayed our forwards.
My worry is what will be our confidence level when we play against Spurs?
Few Statistics, we haven’t won a premiership match since we our victory against City last year.
Chelsea is having all the luck in the world right now. They got away with a point by an unfair penalty.
What else can go wrong? i honestly wish , i will wake up from this nightmare dream sooner than later.
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they broke my heart. i was always wary about this season, never wanting to hope too much after the capitulation in milan last season. i’m just praying things can be salvaged soon.
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Well when things go bad they go worse !
Abt yesterdays match it is clear we missed 3 first team players Ronaldo for Crosses , Rooney for Diving towards the cross and scoring and Saha making off the pitch speedy runs !
I must say it is damn disappointing to see manutd to see play like that esp in the 2nd half …But the first half was criminal waste of chances esp Nani …
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Some insights from the game :
1)Many think we miss Roonsters but the person we miss MOST IS OUR CAPTAIN ‘GARY NEVILLE’ .. tell me in the past 3 matches how many crosses came from the right flank…
2)We are playing exactly like Arsenal thats because there are way too many passers in the mid-field , the Combination of Scholes and Carrick is not working for some reason
3)DEFENDERS SLEEPING IN ROTATION .. Many wont agree with this but the pompey match brown was sleeping so was vidic in the city match .. Evra is showing all signs of being the BEST LB THIS SEASON if given properly linked with Ronaldo can DO DAMAGE IN OFFENCE..
5)A striker like Saha .. Many talk abt 2 players Huntelaar and Anelka .. Well Huntelaar is damn good no doubt .. yest i saw the ajax match where he scored 4 goals .. can he do that ASAP In Manutd ? ESPN STAR said we r going after Anelka yest for 12mill … well the prob of him succeding his 70% but we all know abt fergie …
4)ALL THIS IS TOSH !
Who knows what the inside problem is .. ? may be serious Fatigue .. I remember seeing a full strength Barca against BayernMunich where Barca missed around 10 easy goals that includes Ronaldhino and Henry ..
SAYING THAT OUR TITLE RACE IS OVER IS TOSH!
AS STEVIE G himself said ….
“As for the title race, it is too early to judge opponents. Manchester United have two points after their defeat today, but even if they had zero points I would say that they are serious contenders for the title, these things do not influence me.”
Please do remember he is a liverpool guy and even last season he praised abt our Manager more than anybody
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If we can do a double against Arsenal Liverpool and Westham
the points lost can be more than recovered and will push us to top 4 ….
So lets wait and watch the Rumors and weekend match
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“Bad luck”, “Chill!!, “we are going through a bad patch”, etc etc. What I am reading is a bunch of comments from people who think our only threat to the EPL throne is a team like Spurs or Newcastle. GGGGGRRRRRRRRRR!!! WAKE UP CALL!!! Chelsea and Liverpool are smelling blood and they are far too good to allow them a 6 to 9 point lead before the second week is out. Chelsea especially are extremely good front runners. United simply just cannot afford to let them get too comfortable before they even get into their stride. They have had injuries too, but they managed to make something out of their opportunities. To be completely honest, Mourinho has SAF number and we all know it. Forget the Charity Shield, that’s a friendly. As good as United were last year they probably would have finished second if Petr Cech hadn’t been hurt for a long spell. His absence supremely effected the confidence of Chelski. United had some injuries late in the year that probably cost us a bit but Chelsea have a way of making something out of nothing. They play a unattractive brand of football but they get the results. United on the other hand try to play attacking, attractive football but they lack tactical flexibility in the way they go about it. I just feel they are too predictable and thus, minnows and pretenders are putting up the Berlin Wall and defeating our lads best laid plans. I have already explained myself regarding this in a previous post however, I will add that I really feel that one of the biggest errors SAF and the club executives made was buying players like Nani and Anderson. They have the potential to be great additions three or four years from now, but lets not think for a second that the planet is littered with thousands of Cris Ronaldo’s or Lio Messi’s. Neither Nani nor Anderson will ever reach the potential that Cristiano will reach. His success has unfortunately placed SAF in a trance and now he feels their is a Ronaldo hiding on every Portuguese team. What United should have done was look for older more mature and far more accomplished players to fill their void. More substance nd less flash. Franck Ribery, Riquelme, Malouda, Van Der Vaart etc. Players who can help right bloody now. We are the defending champions, not graduates from the Championship Division. We are not Sunderland, we are Manchester United. Why are we building for the far future, when we should be building for now. The future is now. Even if I hate them as much as all of us, I admire Chelsea for going after players that can do it now. They don’t rebuild, they reload. Tevez and Hargreaves are players that help us reload, but Nani and Anderson cost a ton of money that could have gone to a left midfield player and striker of quality, skill and above all experience. Kids will only have us watch Chelsea lift the silverware at the end of this season while we struggle to even grab a Champions League spot. I’m sorry for the negativity but this is my gut feeling. I love United as much as all of you but I’ll be damned if I sit back and watch our lads play like clueless morons who belong in Division 1. Is it time to panic? Well if you mean do you want United to be 07-08 EPL Champions, yes it certainly is time to panic. Two seasons ago Chelsea lost one match, and three years ago Arsenal went undefeated. If all of you think dropping seven points to a bunch of useless tossers is acceptable and no reason to worry, then please place a LOSERS cap on your heads and accept your fate. Even if I’m just a fan, I am far too competitive to tolerate mediocrity from my footy heroes, turned zeros.
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YOu said it RIcks !!! For Gods sake lets give the new buddies some time !!
heard somebody cursing nani and Tevez..its just their 2nd game ..can y please stop this businesss and do soemthing else….City and pompey had always been very tough for us !!!! and our season starts from next week as two big away games are over…remeer ciy at eatlands is always tougher than arsenal at emirates!! but we need a front man ..as Saha cant be relied upon
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Sorry to say, but this sort of a glory hunting, instant gratification attitude is deplorable. If you are a fan, you’d show a little more patience.
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Well red ranter ur right we are being like chelski supporters and u guessed it right as well we were born in an age when united was the dominant force .
I see this year is just one of those seasons where we will be having lots of bad luck i just hope this does not carry towards the CL if we even win only that and loose fa and carling cup and the league i will still be dancing for me this year is only for CL and after seeing hargo yesterday i am sure we will strike and keep praying that no more injuries plz but seeing united at 16th place in table is a sad sight
though u know we will be up there but yesterday all the big four had bad games liverpool chealsea draw arsenal draw so thing are looking still bright every1 will loose point now and then but its still chelsea that i fear i believe arsenal and liverpool will drop points sooner then we think .
lets pray totties just crawl up in a corner and roll over next week while we run riot .
No more whinning tears on this front,whats happened has happened
Anelka is in news for a move to united what are ur suggestions is he worth it and i think he can fit the bill and would like to see him in united for sure what do u say
Dont give me gudjhonsen huntelaar and quagilera crap they a re not coming full stop.
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You can do nothing about bad luck. Even their goal was a bit of a fluke. For the most part we played them off the park and if we’d had taken our chances it would have been a totally different story. On the bright side we saw the basis of an excellent system, with Hargreaves who is short of match practice excelling. But we must not play with an isolated striker upfront. When Rooney and Ronaldo are available – even before Rooney gets back say with Saha upfront with Ronnie & Tevez – there will be no need to.
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i still biliv in the team,,its a marathon not a sprint..other teams will also lose points on the way!~so cheer up guyz..man utd will win the league
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@ [26. Grognard says:]
I wanted to vent my anger, and give my opinion, but you summed it all up for me.
I could not agree any less with you, except for the striker bit. Maybe, just maybe if we revert to 442, we will not need to buy another striker. But, then again, with Rossi gone, thee’s no need NOT to get another striker.
When will SAF learn that 451 does not work for us? The stubourness is sickening!
Why persist with Giggs in hope of a moment of magic, when for 89minutes he is a waste of manpower (sorry Giggs – I love you, but…). To his credit though, his 2nd half performance was much better than his first, still not up to standard however. Ironically, that is the standard that HE set. Scholes the same. Why did we need a 5-man midfield against City anyway?
I don’t know. Toooooo disappointed to comment any more on this. All I can say is:
WE SHOULD NOT HAVE SOLD ROSSI!!!
If SAF could convince Ronaldo to stay, then to convince Rossi should have been a run in the park. it all up for me.
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@RedRanter [post 58]
I tend to disagree with your statement. We ARE supposed to win now, not win in a couple of years time.
SAF received the financial backing to draw a balance between defending OUR title and building for the future. We cannot live for the future. like he himself said, the league/title is our bread and butter. We need to eat NOW not in a couple of years time.
Everybody at the club knows that the expectations on manUnited is different than for other clubs. The fans EXPECT the team to win every game. We are not supporters of a team like Newcastle (nopun inteded) that will be patient whilst being satisfied with mediocrity.
The future is now!!!
I guess I’m also just a frustrated fan, but I have the right to be. What is it now 1 goal in something like 55shots? That’s enough to frustrate anyone.
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not time to panic yet…chelsea and liverpool result not that bad for us. lets just wait till january when chelsea lose their key players and if were still well off the pace then lets begin to really panic.
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just to look at the match for a minute. we were playing two holding midfielders but giovanni still had about 2 minutes to line up his shot. vidic was jockying him towards the goals, not pushing him out wide daring him to go past. for me carrick and hargraves were getting dragged to far up the pitch, with the defence playing to deep. to much time for mancity to play in our own half. poor all round football by united there. but upfront nani looked good. lots of pace and a willingness to challenge the man just a lack of playing time with scholes and with tevez, will get better and i was pretty impressed. tevez looked a yrad short for pace. richards played out of his skin fantastic performance. but i dunno what was tevez. just lacking that extra yard of pace he seemed to have last season mayb just match fittness but lets hope he regains that burst of speed. rooney is the key to united so the quicker he returns the better, ronaldo isnt the same player without wayne so lets hope hes back soon, but still would have loved ronaldo to be out there. ohh BTW kaspier was constantly caught in no mans land…his dad would not have been pleased on all counts!
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im just frustratingly disappointed not with the team but with how things have gone for us.
we havent exactly done badly we were just clearly missing flair and brilliance out there that cutting edge that something special and in essence rooney and ronnie. in my opinion sir alex must have known of his team’s dependence on players like these hence the recruitment of potential gems like nani in the ronaldo mould and tevez in the rooney mould to groom them for the future.
but who was to know rooney was to be stretchered off and out for the next 3 months and ronaldo was to get sent off in the game after to get a 3 week ban? they’re massive players who’ve been integrated into the united set up that you can never replace from the transfer market i dont believe the united way’s to just go out there get someone stick them in there and let them do just their individual thing. we play as a collective unit and time’s needed for that, unless you are of course henrik larsson or someone of that footballing intelligence.
it’s no use whining and moaning bout the loss of those 2 now but city reading and pompey have all brick walled us and of all 3 it had to be city whom performed the perfect smash and grab. that hurt but let’s move on and draw some positives hargreaves did quite well anchoring nani wasnt far off with his wing play tevez with more composure would have scored so we werent all that bad we really need someone to stamp his authority on the game to grab the game by the scruff of its neck in times like these someone essentially who lifts the team as he plays ala rooney and ronaldo.
back to the brick walling of lesser opponents. we know they’re going to do that now and it’s up to us to break them down now with what we have. no other way around it that’s the united way we fight and trudge on you score one we’ll score two. you wall up we’ll run rings around it and make sure we find a way to knock it down maybe reading pompey and city have gotten away with it but we’ll make sure it’ll never happen again this is the kinda mentality im sure sir alex would be instilling into his team.
we’ve done in 2-0 down in turin to win 3-2 we’ve won the treble in the last 2 minutes of the game or in more recent times we’ve done it last minute at craven cottage at anfield we’ve fought back at goodison to win 4-2 we’ve beaten ac milan 3-2 with a 91st minute rooney goal.
All these within a game itself so what more the 35 that lie ahead of us? yes luck seems to have deserted us and they say champions get points even when they dont play well and as some of you have rightly pointed out there’s nothing at all we can do about that.
but i believe what we can do, what’s in our hands we should and we will go all out in doing it. more crucial than anything right now at times like these is character and manchester united has loads of that.
and with all the chelski comparisons rife, i must say mourinho’s team showed massive character last season yeah we were riding on the waves of success and stunning the league with our attractive football and everything was going swimmingly for us but let’s give credit wher it’s due, chelski were up against it but they never backed down
perhaps its our turn now to step up and show the rest of the league we arent just a band of pansies who crumble at the start of the season and overly depend on 2 star players.
think about it, wouldnt that be the most united way to win the league possible
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how about Afonso Alves
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why the fuck was anderson not on the bench, he is more experienced than campbell.another question, is fergie afraid to bruise the egos of players like giggs who is underperforming. From the start we all saw how richards was all up on tevez and no one suporting him. is it time to revert to the 442.fuck it and damn it.forget beatiful ball we want results. you see red ranter, every week will sing bout patience while other teams are getting points.damn, we have a negative goal difference for crying out lad. i am really frustrated. i seriously think fergie is somehow starting to lose , which is dangerous. he must do some soul searching or even go to church and pray(all of us). beilive me incase we lose the title next year by a few points we shall always remeber this days
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FUCK!
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BORO IS SIGNING ALFONSO ALVES!
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Due to work commitments, I didn’t get the chance to rant sooner; but after 24 hours have gone by, I haven’t gotten any less pissed off at yesterdays match!
I was absolutely livid watching the game yesterday, went to bed pissed off and woke up this morning very very pissed off. All I really wanted was for United to score. I kept telling myself that I wanted United to just finish off their truckload of chances. Are our attackers capable of scoring goals? Hell yes. Did they put any of their chances away the past 3 games? HELL NO. (except for Scholes’ goal against Portsmouth, not good enough to win the game) The worst kind of games to watch are those like yesterday’s – where the team that’s way 2nd best wins the match, through a deflected goal! WTF.
Damn it, I had so much more I wanted to say but I’ve just lost my train of thought from being far too pissed. I’ll just have to end by saying that I was only happy with one player yesterday – Owen Hargreaves. Waited to finally see him in action and he didn’t disappoint.
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Yeah, and where the hell is Anderson and why the fuck was he not on the bench at least? Scholes and Giggs look subdued these past few matches. Unlike many who are panicking and saying stuff like SAF’s losing it, I don’t share that view. But I do feel it’s pointless playing all this beautiful football (which is fantastic) but not scoring or having strikers who can put those chances away, and besides, EPL teams have figured us out. Domestically, I feel United do much better playing outright 4-4-2 and when we play European games, 4-2-3-1 is great. Boy, we sure could have used Saha yesterday IMO. Saha, get your ass fit!
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saha is unreliable coupled with his attitude problem, ole is getting old….so WTF r we selling rossi and smith? to play dong and frazer campbell now? CRAP!
sign Anelka! or at least loan Pauleta? or andy cole the free agent! or Peter Crouch! hahaha! put one over the Liverfools Scousers!
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I am relieved to see that many of you, although not all of you agree with me on many of my points. I realize that my win now mentality isn’t necessarily the most popular or the best tactic around. My reasoning is simple. In 1993 United started poorly grabbing two points in their first three matches. They went on to win the EPL. The difference is that todays top competition is so far superior to what Blackburn or Newcastle had to offer back then for top level thrills. Chelsea honestly scare me because they play like a well oiled highly discipline super boredom machine. They rarely lose and even more rarely attempt to entertain their fan base. Mourinho is a believer in the result. Win ugly is fine, just win. Therefore their policy has been to buy qualified superstars who will fit this system. It hasn’t always worked as Ballack and Shevchenko have proven, but, they still succeed most of the time. Experience is the key, not youth. We are not unlike them if we continue to spend 50 to 75 million a season improving our squads. To hate what they do, while copying the strategy is hypocrisy plain and simple. Rather, we should embrace it simply because we can. The aim is not to win every match but to win the Treble, every season. If it isn’t than they need to get a coaching staff and squad of players that believe it is. And if their are fans out there who don’t feel that should be our goal, then they should become overnight Man City fans in order to fulfill their need for mediocrity. Man Utd is built for speed and built for entertaining its followers. Then bloody well do so mates!!! Go out and get a striker who although won’t solve the problem of poor service into the box, might score on more half chances. Huntelaar comes to mind. He should have been first on our want list anyway. I hate the sulker Anelka, but even he right now would be welcome. MAKE IT SO!!!
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SHUD HAVE SIGNED TORRES! OR LUCA TONI? OR JUST LOAN INZAGHI? HAHAHA! SIGN MARTINS!
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Pretty awful start to the season.
Our ineptness upfront is frightening for such an attacking team.
1 possitive is Hargreaves looked like the right stuff. He’ll be
really important in away games against the biggest teams.
Nani looked poor IMO but he’ll get better I’m sure.
Carrick looked like he didn’t know his role with Scholes and
Hargreaves in the centre doing most of the midfield work.
We can’t judge Tevez too harshly he’s really been thrown in at the
deep end.
Giggs and Brown have continued their poor starts. What the hell was
Vidic doing a)not closing down Geovannis’ shot and b) Turning his
back???!!! Uncharacteristics mistake to be fair.
As for the argument about glory hunting. I don’t think wanting your
team to be successful is glory hunting?! As a club the staff, the
players and the fans demands are high and the pressure to do
well is high. The fans not accepting anything less that success is
large part of what keeps Man U successful. If we all start
accepting that we’ve had our good run and it may be coming to an
for a while what use would that be? I will moan and whine about the
team not doing well, about the manager not doing the right things
to keep the club successful because thats my prerogative as a Man U
fan. Infact it’s my duty. It reminds me of the Roy Keane situation
when he left the Rep. team at the world cup. His mentally was to
win and be successful and he felt others were willing to accept
less than that. Whats the point in that?
If Man U were to come 2nd I’d still be a Man U supporter but I’d be
really disappointed because my mentally is we Man U are capable of
winning everything.
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hohohohohohhh……………….sign anelka! the next cantona!
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how abt signing DIego Milito? to partner Tevez in rooney’s absence! superb argie pair!
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You all need to chill out. you all sound like part time supporters. So we’ve dropped a few points, its hardly the end of the world. We’ve played some great football, Never really looked like losing any of the three matches, but due to lack of luck and the occassional poor finish, we have struggled to get results. It will come. Who ever said Nani and Tevez were shit needs shooting. Tevez isnt even match fit or up to speed with his team mates, Nani has looked lively and dangerous, he just needs to settle. Give thema chance ffs! Carrick has looked great, so don’t give me that “he doesn’t know what his role is” crap. Hargreaves made possibly the best debut ive ever seen. He was fantastic. The only dissappointment for me is Giggs, unfortunately he has carried on where he left off last year. And by the way, anyone who doesn’t know, Anderson has a hamstring strain and is not quite match fit, which is why he hasn’t played or has not been named on the bench. Why don’t you look into these things before you all start bitching about why he isn’t playing. Get behind your team, if its not too much trouble.
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Everybody was playing great. Rant but don’t rant like an idiot just because we lost. Everyone played well. The only man not up to the task that night was Alex Ferguson. You guys go about Giggs and Scoles being too old. Then how about the gaffer?
Everyone’s got a role to play that night, and when it’s the old man’s time to play his, he sends in Eagles and Campbell. Campbell went missing immediately after being introduced and Eagles didn’t do enough although he did OK for a newly promoted boy.
I am NOT at all against promoting academy players, In fact I am proud that United has a very good track with that…but you don’t try these sort of things when you have not won anything early in the season and trailing 1 goal behind in your latest game. He should’ve gone for the tried and tested….Fletcher (no matter how much i hate this dude) for example…
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