Hi Ian and Redranters,
This link (or this one from source: link2) and video of Gary Neville’s MNF analysis of United-Tottenham is out of this world. Jaywire will love it, RangeRooney will love it, we will ALL love it. Please make a post about this video… or include it atleast.
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@Opti: Saw it and agreed with Gary, totally.
He’s becoming one of the best TV analysts, IMO.
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What’s all this about Tom Ince?
I do understand that Ferguson is looking to the future trying to leave a legacy with signings like Powell, Smalling, Jones, and Henriquez and homegrown players like Cleverley Welbeck and so on.
But it is not fair to our senior players who only have a limited career span (well unless your name is Ryan or Paul!) and are having to suffer because of gaps in our squad.
We’ve seen already the impact Van Persie and Kagawa are making. So one can only wonder how we’d do this season if we’d bought a proper central midfielder.
@colver: “But it is not fair”
Oh please, spare me your tears. This is a sport for men, not a bleeding heart Disney Movie.
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Nani has been the butt of many a United fan’s opinion of late and it seems like he has developed a negative connotation for the performance of the team.
If we win, he has little or no mention, and if we lose, he can easily be the scapegoat for our failings!
He has been thought of as a Ronaldo wannabe, a focal point and a catalyst for winning ways. He certainly has, on occasion, given us a hint and a glimpse of his star rating and his value to the team. But more often he has disappointed us because his efforts fall flat on a team that needs so much effort to win any game.
I wonder how well Ronaldo, himself, would fare on this team? Beckham would simply be a pariah and Cantona would have just been tagged as a poser.
Simply put, a talent needs the support of a solid team to stand out and shine!!
Berbatov arrived just at the wrong time. His standout performances were clearly that of a superstar. However his contribution to a struggling team in games against difficult opposition was woeful, and because we were/are woeful most of the time in those games, he had no way to stand out. At a cost of 30m and then not contributing, he was an easy target.
United are a team that needs good performances from all eleven players right now. Struggling up and down the pitch to just compete, the idea that a player or two can waltz into the staring lineup because of their starpower just seems extravagant and inappropriate.
We played with no wide attackers the other day, because it was the only way to protect our back line. With that mentality, Nani is an outsider, Kagawa has become a casualty of prudence and our budding strikers of Hernandez and Welbeck will always be played out of position.
Not ideal at all, and while we try to swallow our vomit, we are left with a less than assuring thought that Smalling and Jones are close to returning to the team. Just in time to save us from the likes of Nani, Kagawa and Valencia.
It’s not like we’re trying not to win, it’s that we’re now trying not to lose!!
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@Redrich: Rich, the facts are Nani hasn’t played well. We can all make excuses for players, blame Fergie, Phelan, the Glazers, but the player has to take responsibility for his own actions.
Ronaldo took the responsibly on, like RvP is doing and Rooney before him. Cantona also carried the team, worked hard and scored important goals, Berba simply didn’t.
How have all 11 players played well this season? Many were awful against Liverpool and we won, we were poor against Southampton and we still won.
We played with no wide men simply because Fergie has taken that policy in Europe. This for me is more sensible, Nani has started most games this season so I can’t quite see how he is an outsider. Hernadez has not been played out of position and Welbeck has only once, and I imply do not understand the “casualty of prudence” he has started most games this season.
You are speculating about Jones and Smalling taking over from our attacking players, there is no evidence of this and Fergie is probably Vally biggest fan.
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@Stephen: I agree that Nani hasn’t played well but then again he never really has, has he?
My point is that because their are so many holes at the back and in CM, players like Nani will be sacrificed in favor of shoring up our crumbling defensive efforts.
We have ignored strengthening both these areas and have continued to spend heavily on “skill” players up front Now it appears that there’s no room for them in the starting 11 because we need to field players that can help out our week areas.
It’s lunacy, really, and it shows us how far we’ve fallen in terms of depth and experience.
Redrich how can base an argument that we are soon to do without wingers based on a single European group game against inferior opposition?
Ferguson has played with wingers his entire career only deviating for the brief period when we had Ronaldo as a wide forward/free role.
Nani’s problem if anything is that he is not a traditional winger who will work tirelessly up and down the flanks. That is why Ferguson seems to prefer players like Valencia and Young. But he is unfortunately not so good as Ronaldo that Ferguson will make allowances for him and let him do his thing like he is allowed to do for Portugal.
I support buying Tom Ince if we sell Nani and use the money raised to go towards a central midfielder as that is our gaping need.
Hernandez and Welbeck don’t get games because Ferguson wants a world class strikeforce to make up for the deficiencies in the rest of the team. And you can see his point. Welbeck hardly scored any goals last season and Hernandez while very good is pretty lightweight.
It is early days for Kagawa. But I do agree that he will probably be wasted at Old Trafford. While fabulous value at 15 million with our crappy midfield he won’t get enough of the ball to make a difference and he doesn’t defend. Also two strikers and Kagawa and two wingers is overkill when our main problem is that we leak goals.
Also I think it is harsh to criticize our “star players” just because our defenders and central midfielders aren’t doing their jobs properly.
If we had full backs who could defend Ferguson wouldn’t have this mania for wingers that track back. If we had central midfielders who could win the ball, protect the defence, keep possession and find a pass then someone like Kagawa could flourish in a playmaker role.
Anyone watch City game? Ha. 3-0 was VERY flattering to the bitters. They are a piss poor side. Sunderland were very unlucky and could have won by 5 or 6. Aguero must be the most over rated player in history. He would not get anywhere near our first team. We will walk this league, mark my words. Anyone going Newcastle tomorrow? If Rooney and RVP click we could run up a cricket score. 4-0 United my prediction. Right, going pub!
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Frustrating to see that we are a world class central midfielder or 2 decent midfielders from being right up there with Europe’s elite. Without any sort of defensive midfield I will be watching the City and Chelsea games with dread.
If we are to sell Nani then buy Fellaini as I’d assume they both cost the same.
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I also have a feeling that it will be a score draw with Newcastle, the RVP-Rooney partnership is the best in the Premier League but they will dominate our midfield with Tiote and Cabaye (again).
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@Moscow: Agreed mate,their midfield is incredibly strong.
We need mobility in there, Scholes and Carrick will get dominated. We We must play Fletch, or worst case scenario Mr Potential…
I hope we see ROOvP today, they seem to be on the same wavelength already. I also think we need to drop Evra, how many mistakes can he make? Buttner looked really good on his debut and surely can’t be any worse than the Frenchman.
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@Stephen: The way I see it, if we play a 3 man midfield not including Kagawa who should also play, then we have a 4 man midfield diamond who surely cannot be overrun. Rooney and van Persie can get whatever service they need from Kagawa, they create chances for themselves anyway.
I honestly don’t see how we are going to use any of our wingers if we are planning on using Kagawa (our best technical player), and packing the midfield with 3 other men AND also utilising the RVP-Rooney partnership. Sell Nani, and then buy a midfielder.
How ironic for Fergie that despite his stubbornness to buy wingers instead of midfielders he must now exclude them from the starting XI to pack his terrible midfield.
We will win 3-0. Payback from last season! Should be a good game too… 2nd half Tottenham stuff!! Anything else with be expected dross from past three seasons not worth serving.
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2-0 Newcastle. Demba Ba is going to kill your defenders! Wait and watch.
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