Comments on: Euro 2008 and Unsubstantiated Transfer Rumours http://redrants.com/euro-2008-and-unsubstantiated-transfer-rumours/ Manchester United Blog Thu, 18 Mar 2010 00:53:30 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Uday J http://redrants.com/euro-2008-and-unsubstantiated-transfer-rumours/comment-page-2/#comment-19347 Uday J Mon, 09 Jun 2008 07:43:24 +0000 http://redrants.com/euro-2008-and-unsubstantiated-transfer-rumours/#comment-19347 Deco in fact did play a good game, in Scolari's strategy, he is more the player who links the defense to the midfield, and plays more defensively than Ronaldo. Like Ferguson, Scolari has given Ronaldo free rein to be wherever he wants to be on the pitch, preferably up front. Deco played amazing long balls to Nuno Gomes, Ronaldo and Moutinho the whole match, and was generally the Carrick-esque engine of the Portugal side. An OK game, to say the least Deco in fact did play a good game, in Scolari’s strategy, he is more the player who links the defense to the midfield, and plays more defensively than Ronaldo.

Like Ferguson, Scolari has given Ronaldo free rein to be wherever he wants to be on the pitch, preferably up front.

Deco played amazing long balls to Nuno Gomes, Ronaldo and Moutinho the whole match, and was generally the Carrick-esque engine of the Portugal side. An OK game, to say the least

]]> By: Grognard http://redrants.com/euro-2008-and-unsubstantiated-transfer-rumours/comment-page-2/#comment-19344 Grognard Mon, 09 Jun 2008 03:19:31 +0000 http://redrants.com/euro-2008-and-unsubstantiated-transfer-rumours/#comment-19344 Nino and Tevez; Whether you are in denial or not, it's not a bullshit story. I have heard Ferguson in an interview admit to exactly that happening plus Giggs also said so in an interview as he was the loudest proponent in getting Fergie to sign him. But I do agree that I'm sure he was aware of the player however, I don't think he knew just how good he was until he saw him play against us live. So you don't have to believe me, it came out of Fergie's and Giggs own mouths. Craig; Ballack was a colossal fool to go to Chelsea but it looks like at the end of a long battle for fitness and his original rift with Mourinho, he is the king of the candy store now. He not only has the team's support and respect but Chelsea fans absolutely adore him. Still, he would have been awesome from day one with United and probably would not have sustained the foot injury that put him out for 6 months. Lets put it this way, he made a big mistake because of two factors. First we could have used him more properly and more often than Chelsea, and second, picking Chelsea over United was just dumb as hell and a show of bad taste. Beckenbauer wasn't the only one who let him have it. Low, Klinsmann and even many of his German teammates were dumbfounded to understand why he chose a team that already had a player like Frank Lampard in his way. Go figure! Tevez; I agree that Fergie will no longer buy a player based on his performance in a tournament but also, the team's scouting is much larger and more sophisticated than in past years. I think he has his eyes out for certain players like Arshavin, Huntelaar, Benzema as is normal but he's looking for diamonds in the rough like Clemens Fritz' performance today. For a manager looking for RB's or a RMF he can have a look at that player and then ask his scouts to line up video of Fritz with Werder Bremen and examine the player more closely. Still, it's hard to really care when you are vacationing in France. Ah Heck, the Gaffer deserves a break. Just hope all the good candies aren't taken by the time he returns. :) Nino and Tevez; Whether you are in denial or not, it’s not a bullshit story. I have heard Ferguson in an interview admit to exactly that happening plus Giggs also said so in an interview as he was the loudest proponent in getting Fergie to sign him. But I do agree that I’m sure he was aware of the player however, I don’t think he knew just how good he was until he saw him play against us live. So you don’t have to believe me, it came out of Fergie’s and Giggs own mouths.

Craig; Ballack was a colossal fool to go to Chelsea but it looks like at the end of a long battle for fitness and his original rift with Mourinho, he is the king of the candy store now. He not only has the team’s support and respect but Chelsea fans absolutely adore him. Still, he would have been awesome from day one with United and probably would not have sustained the foot injury that put him out for 6 months. Lets put it this way, he made a big mistake because of two factors. First we could have used him more properly and more often than Chelsea, and second, picking Chelsea over United was just dumb as hell and a show of bad taste. Beckenbauer wasn’t the only one who let him have it. Low, Klinsmann and even many of his German teammates were dumbfounded to understand why he chose a team that already had a player like Frank Lampard in his way. Go figure!

Tevez; I agree that Fergie will no longer buy a player based on his performance in a tournament but also, the team’s scouting is much larger and more sophisticated than in past years. I think he has his eyes out for certain players like Arshavin, Huntelaar, Benzema as is normal but he’s looking for diamonds in the rough like Clemens Fritz’ performance today. For a manager looking for RB’s or a RMF he can have a look at that player and then ask his scouts to line up video of Fritz with Werder Bremen and examine the player more closely. Still, it’s hard to really care when you are vacationing in France. Ah Heck, the Gaffer deserves a break. Just hope all the good candies aren’t taken by the time he returns. :)

]]> By: Red Ranter http://redrants.com/euro-2008-and-unsubstantiated-transfer-rumours/comment-page-2/#comment-19343 Red Ranter Mon, 09 Jun 2008 01:00:15 +0000 http://redrants.com/euro-2008-and-unsubstantiated-transfer-rumours/#comment-19343 [Nino] That supposed bullshit story was confirmed by Fergie, Giggs, Rio, Ruud and almost every one. True they may have seen him play before, but that performance convinced Fergie and all the players. Even in the official site this "story" was reported. So when people believe in stories by the Sun or Skysports, I think it's reasonable to believe the words of someone like Fergie or the official site. [Nino]
That supposed bullshit story was confirmed by Fergie, Giggs, Rio, Ruud and almost every one. True they may have seen him play before, but that performance convinced Fergie and all the players. Even in the official site this “story” was reported. So when people believe in stories by the Sun or Skysports, I think it’s reasonable to believe the words of someone like Fergie or the official site.

]]> By: tevez http://redrants.com/euro-2008-and-unsubstantiated-transfer-rumours/comment-page-2/#comment-19342 tevez Mon, 09 Jun 2008 01:00:02 +0000 http://redrants.com/euro-2008-and-unsubstantiated-transfer-rumours/#comment-19342 Fergie did not buy ronaldo based on that one game. The players did all urge him to sign ronaldo after that but fergie had already had a good look at ronaldo, and quaresma for that matter. I think he may have bought poborsky based on his euro 96 performance, yes. However, he will not buy based on performances in a one-off tournament now. The scouting team appear to work very hard in identifying quality players, especially recently. Park was watched over twenty times in the season before we bought him. Vidic was consistently watched too. We played porto in a friendly two seasons ago where anderson played well for them. He hadn't featured a great deal for porto at this point, but fergie already knew all about him and his career to date before that game. He will already have his targets identified, and he will have already registered interest in these players. After the time where flops like bellion, djemba-djemba and kleberson were all brought in, it makes sense that more care has been taken towards transfer targets in recent times. Also, fritz and jansen looked very poor against poland. Fergie did not buy ronaldo based on that one game. The players did all urge him to sign ronaldo after that but fergie had already had a good look at ronaldo, and quaresma for that matter. I think he may have bought poborsky based on his euro 96 performance, yes. However, he will not buy based on performances in a one-off tournament now. The scouting team appear to work very hard in identifying quality players, especially recently. Park was watched over twenty times in the season before we bought him. Vidic was consistently watched too. We played porto in a friendly two seasons ago where anderson played well for them. He hadn’t featured a great deal for porto at this point, but fergie already knew all about him and his career to date before that game.
He will already have his targets identified, and he will have already registered interest in these players. After the time where flops like bellion, djemba-djemba and kleberson were all brought in, it makes sense that more care has been taken towards transfer targets in recent times.
Also, fritz and jansen looked very poor against poland.

]]> By: Craig Mc http://redrants.com/euro-2008-and-unsubstantiated-transfer-rumours/comment-page-2/#comment-19341 Craig Mc Mon, 09 Jun 2008 00:53:35 +0000 http://redrants.com/euro-2008-and-unsubstantiated-transfer-rumours/#comment-19341 I think Fergie has made some blunders in the past with players he has bought, but I do think United do more research and background checks now. He bought Ruud because of His own son Darren's recommendation I believe, and had him watched a few times. Player power persuaded him to try and get Rooney and Ronaldo. Sometimes though it is possible to see the potential in players after a first screening, other times it isn't. With regards to buying German players, he did want to buy the Bayern player who said after United beat them in the Euro cup, and were due to play them again in the CL, that he would dance in his Lederhosen if United beat them a secong time. For the life of me, he was one of Germany's great players and I've forgotten his name - sad!. He also went in for Ballack at the same time as Chelski, but Ballack said United were on the down, and that Chelsea was the place to be. Wonder how the Ballack feels now?. Beckenbaur said Ballack had chosen the wrong club, but who knows. I think Fergie has made some blunders in the past with players he has bought, but I do think United do more research and background checks now. He bought Ruud because of His own son Darren’s recommendation I believe, and had him watched a few times. Player power persuaded him to try and get Rooney and Ronaldo. Sometimes though it is possible to see the potential in players after a first screening, other times it isn’t. With regards to buying German players, he did want to buy the Bayern player who said after United beat them in the Euro cup, and were due to play them again in the CL, that he would dance in his Lederhosen if United beat them a secong time. For the life of me, he was one of Germany’s great players and I’ve forgotten his name – sad!. He also went in for Ballack at the same time as Chelski, but Ballack said United were on the down, and that Chelsea was the place to be. Wonder how the Ballack feels now?. Beckenbaur said Ballack had chosen the wrong club, but who knows.

]]> By: Nino http://redrants.com/euro-2008-and-unsubstantiated-transfer-rumours/comment-page-2/#comment-19340 Nino Mon, 09 Jun 2008 00:51:53 +0000 http://redrants.com/euro-2008-and-unsubstantiated-transfer-rumours/#comment-19340 Grognard: Do you actually believe that bullshit story about Ronaldo being signed on the basis of that one performance in that friendly match (and the United players raving about him to their boss and infleucing his decision)? I'm prepared to bet that Ronaldo must have been on Fergie's radar for a good 6-12 months before that match, with the wily Scot surreptitiously keeping tabs on the player's development during that period. Note that CQ was with us during that period too (2002-03) and so he must have tipped off SAF about Ronaldo with his Portuguese connections. Grognard: Do you actually believe that bullshit story about Ronaldo being signed on the basis of that one performance in that friendly match (and the United players raving about him to their boss and infleucing his decision)? I’m prepared to bet that Ronaldo must have been on Fergie’s radar for a good 6-12 months before that match, with the wily Scot surreptitiously keeping tabs on the player’s development during that period. Note that CQ was with us during that period too (2002-03) and so he must have tipped off SAF about Ronaldo with his Portuguese connections.

]]> By: Grognard http://redrants.com/euro-2008-and-unsubstantiated-transfer-rumours/comment-page-2/#comment-19339 Grognard Mon, 09 Jun 2008 00:15:11 +0000 http://redrants.com/euro-2008-and-unsubstantiated-transfer-rumours/#comment-19339 Tevez; Fergie bought Ronaldo based on one game he played against us for Sporting and on the advise of his players so I doubt very much that is true. He also bought players like Podborsky because of his EURO 96 performance and wanted to buy Gaza based on one performance he had against United when a teen at Newcastle. He gets seduced as easily as any man. And if he doesn't buy Podolski it's because he will buy someone better or because he just doesn't buy Germans. Craig; I agreed with you over his actions against Chelsea but I Also believe he was acting as a leader and as a good teammate RIGHT OR WRONG. You are right about Rooney acting just as bad at times and again lets not forget our beloved Keane as well as Cantona. They weren't always the best of sportsman in the heat of battle. So I again say that I do agree but not when it comes to making these claims about his career and certainly about being a tosser. You can feel as you do and that's fine I just save the term tosser for the lowest of the low. You see Ballack that way, I definitely don't. But that's OK. Chelsea does bring the worst out of their players that is for sure. Arsenal also have many great players who act like tossers when things go against them. I can't begin to call out the names of players from that lot that have acted like bloody c^*$*s when things went against them. It's all to do with the mentality and culture that a given manager or owner create within the club. Tevez; Fergie bought Ronaldo based on one game he played against us for Sporting and on the advise of his players so I doubt very much that is true. He also bought players like Podborsky because of his EURO 96 performance and wanted to buy Gaza based on one performance he had against United when a teen at Newcastle. He gets seduced as easily as any man. And if he doesn’t buy Podolski it’s because he will buy someone better or because he just doesn’t buy Germans.

Craig; I agreed with you over his actions against Chelsea but I Also believe he was acting as a leader and as a good teammate RIGHT OR WRONG. You are right about Rooney acting just as bad at times and again lets not forget our beloved Keane as well as Cantona. They weren’t always the best of sportsman in the heat of battle. So I again say that I do agree but not when it comes to making these claims about his career and certainly about being a tosser. You can feel as you do and that’s fine I just save the term tosser for the lowest of the low. You see Ballack that way, I definitely don’t. But that’s OK. Chelsea does bring the worst out of their players that is for sure. Arsenal also have many great players who act like tossers when things go against them. I can’t begin to call out the names of players from that lot that have acted like bloody c^*$*s when things went against them. It’s all to do with the mentality and culture that a given manager or owner create within the club.

]]> By: Craig Mc http://redrants.com/euro-2008-and-unsubstantiated-transfer-rumours/comment-page-2/#comment-19338 Craig Mc Sun, 08 Jun 2008 23:49:29 +0000 http://redrants.com/euro-2008-and-unsubstantiated-transfer-rumours/#comment-19338 Grognard, I have no problem with you defending Ballack or any other player that you care about, that is what this board is all about. Will, Tom, RedDevil, Redaddict etc have all defending Ronaldo because they love him, and feel comments about him are unwarrented. So I defend your right and everyone's right to support any players they want. I have just watched the whole CL match through again because MUTV were replaying it. I can assure you that Ballack was mostly responsible for ref harassment and player disturbance thru most of the match. It wasn't like you say, that he was just supporting his team mates, because there was nothing to support until he charged in between Terry and Tev who were just having a verbal spat. Ballack on the otherhand, just barged in and started to physically manhandle, push Tev, and that caused other players to become involved and a melee ensued. Ballack was an incendiary devise ready to explode most of the game. I have seen this in other games he has played in too, especially against the big teams, although he wasn't exemplary at Barnsley, when Chelski were knocked out the cup by these little people!. I am the first to say that Roon is hotheaded, and he can be a behavioural tosser in quite a few games throughout the season, so I am not biased about this. You record the games Grog, so watch the CL final again, and tell me if you don't see a behavioural tosser at work. For all I know Grog, Ballacks behaviour could have been totally exemplary at Bayern, but if so, it has deteriorated since his move to Chelski. I think he's a tosser, you don't, so we will just have to agree to disagree Grog!. As the term tosser regarding Ballack seems to offend you, I won't use it again out of respect for your feelings!. Grognard, I have no problem with you defending Ballack or any other player that you care about, that is what this board is all about. Will, Tom, RedDevil, Redaddict etc have all defending Ronaldo because they love him, and feel comments about him are unwarrented. So I defend your right and everyone’s right to support any players they want. I have just watched the whole CL match through again because MUTV were replaying it. I can assure you that Ballack was mostly responsible for ref harassment and player disturbance thru most of the match. It wasn’t like you say, that he was just supporting his team mates, because there was nothing to support until he charged in between Terry and Tev who were just having a verbal spat. Ballack on the otherhand, just barged in and started to physically manhandle, push Tev, and that caused other players to become involved and a melee ensued. Ballack was an incendiary devise ready to explode most of the game. I have seen this in other games he has played in too, especially against the big teams, although he wasn’t exemplary at Barnsley, when Chelski were knocked out the cup by these little people!. I am the first to say that Roon is hotheaded, and he can be a behavioural tosser in quite a few games throughout the season, so I am not biased about this. You record the games Grog, so watch the CL final again, and tell me if you don’t see a behavioural tosser at work. For all I know Grog, Ballacks behaviour could have been totally exemplary at Bayern, but if so, it has deteriorated since his move to Chelski. I think he’s a tosser, you don’t, so we will just have to agree to disagree Grog!. As the term tosser regarding Ballack seems to offend you, I won’t use it again out of respect for your feelings!.

]]> By: tevez http://redrants.com/euro-2008-and-unsubstantiated-transfer-rumours/comment-page-2/#comment-19337 tevez Sun, 08 Jun 2008 23:18:45 +0000 http://redrants.com/euro-2008-and-unsubstantiated-transfer-rumours/#comment-19337 Fergie will know all about podolski. If we don't get him it will be because fergie has decided he's not good enough or just not right for the club. The gaffer will know about anyone we talk about on this blog. He also will have his targets identified already and will not buy based on this tournament. Fergie will know all about podolski. If we don’t get him it will be because fergie has decided he’s not good enough or just not right for the club. The gaffer will know about anyone we talk about on this blog. He also will have his targets identified already and will not buy based on this tournament.

]]> By: Grognard http://redrants.com/euro-2008-and-unsubstantiated-transfer-rumours/comment-page-2/#comment-19336 Grognard Sun, 08 Jun 2008 23:08:39 +0000 http://redrants.com/euro-2008-and-unsubstantiated-transfer-rumours/#comment-19336 Liam; The one advantage that Fergie would have is to justify a lower price because of Poldy's poor season with Bayern although he did come on at the end. If he continues to play this well in the tournament I see Bayern not selling him because both Toni and Klose are near or at 30 years of age. Poldy needs to be patient and he will be the number 1 cat at Bayern. Bayern know this and they won't take anything short of 20 mil for him and possibly 25. So as you can see he won't be cheap even though his season tells us he should go in the 10 to 15 mil range. The problem is that Bayern is a very big club and just like us are not in the habit of selling their young players unless they are not working out as hoped. I still think they believe in him so I just don't see them parting with him for any reasonable price. Liam; The one advantage that Fergie would have is to justify a lower price because of Poldy’s poor season with Bayern although he did come on at the end. If he continues to play this well in the tournament I see Bayern not selling him because both Toni and Klose are near or at 30 years of age. Poldy needs to be patient and he will be the number 1 cat at Bayern. Bayern know this and they won’t take anything short of 20 mil for him and possibly 25. So as you can see he won’t be cheap even though his season tells us he should go in the 10 to 15 mil range. The problem is that Bayern is a very big club and just like us are not in the habit of selling their young players unless they are not working out as hoped. I still think they believe in him so I just don’t see them parting with him for any reasonable price.

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