Oct 19
FA charge Ferguson over conduct
It’s been what, two weeks now since the Sunderland game? In the intervening period we had an international break, during which tortoises completed two marathons. The normally proud Ferguson tended two apologies and, as the anticipation over the FA’s inevitable punishment grew, the officials came crawling out of their secret chamber and announced that Ferguson will be charged of ‘improper conduct’.
The Premier League fraternity were stunned. And out of their collective mouths escaped the words: ‘No shit, Sherlock!’
But it didn’t stop there. Apparently, Ferguson has another two weeks to respond. This is after tending two apologies (one in public and one to the FA).
Great work, FA!
At this rate they’ll take until next summer to decide to punish Ferguson with a fine/touchline ban/being forced to read Jeff Winter’s columns for a week etc.
Not that I’m complaining…
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@Red Ranter: But how did I get carried away? Did I proclaim Ronaldo so much better than Messi? Did I make this ludicrous statement “I really wanted to drop this Messi arguement as I found it an insult to his talent to compare him with Ronaldo.”? I think I was very reasonable and quite complimentary of Messi but was able to point out his shortcomings while making a very strong case for Ronaldo. I’m not accusing you of belittling me but I not understand your reference to me “getting carried away”.
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@AndyCR7: In that case we are in total agreement. Like i said earlier, Ronaldo great goal scoring exploits were so godly that his super play making abilities were often overshadowed and forgotten by many. But not by me.
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@Cyclops-Red: Not a problem mate. Anything nasty that is directed at Liverpool has my blessing.
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@mike: Both games against United in the 07/08 semi finals for starters. Actually there are many games, especially in the CL and for Argentina so I cannot mention them all. How about the last 6 games he has played for his country. I have seen those games and he has been invisible. Why? Because he does not like it when games get physical. When you give him room to move around he is dynamic but put a man on him who roughs him up a bit and he disappears in a hole like a scared rabbit.
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@Jay wire: Mate, I’m not attacking you. You started on this crusade by belittling my opinions and I just stood up for them. The truth here is you can’t stand to lose a debate which you did hands down. Why do I say this, because it’s the truth. You failed to counter my strong case for Ronaldo by inventing imaginary differences and concocting lies about him and about Messi to make Messi seem better. Take a poll and ask all on here who is best in the 12 ket skills and you will see that Messi wins in only two of them. dribbling, finesse. I am not even willing to concede the creativity bit because I have seen creative genius come from Ronaldo like his superb back heel goal, his unique free kicks and moves one on one. Instead you lowered yourself to desperation when you claimed it was an insult to Messi to compare his talent with Ronaldo. Right there you made yourself look like an ass to everyone on here. I on the other hand praised Messi but made my case for Ronaldo. Quite often when somebody cleans somebody else’s clock in a debate he is accused of being mean spirited or trying to attack you personally. No mate, I was attacking your argument, not you. If you cannot see that, I cannot help you. Now take your loss like a man and move on. Honestly, the crap I take for being right.
Remember, “it’s only hubris if I’m wrong” Julius Caesar. 
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@Red Ranter: I tried telling him that but even when he is wrong, he won’t admit to it. You see RR, 99% of the world agrees with you on me on the “go to guy” argument. But Jay Wire still believes he is right. Go figure!
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@Jay wire: van Nistelrooy was not creative but he scored over 30 goals a season and was without a shadow of a doubt United’s go to guy when he was here. Why does a player need to be creative if he just scores for fun? Being creative has nothing to do with being the guy a team counts on to snatch a goal for them and prevent a loss or extracts a last minute win from what looked like a certain draw. There are usually many creators on a good team but there is usually only one perhaps two go to guys who can actually finish by being clutch and scoring goals under pressure.
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@spizzy: More like stubborn to the point of nauseam.
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I think jay wire had a very legitimate argument, and he put his point across very well until the point he said he found it an insult comparing the two. Belittling someone’s arguments to ridiculous proportions is ok,and is actually a technique people use to win arguments but that statement right there showed he was clearly biased and wasn’t making his statements with an open and level-headed mind.
Ronaldo was prone to disappearing on big matches, but not recently, in fact he was the only united player to show up in the final. Messi didn’t really do anything spectacular against united, I think the man who destroyed us was iniesta, not messi.
Messi also plays in a very good team, filled with alot of quality, so while teams playing barca are faced with the problem of who to mark because any of their players can hurt you, ronaldo played for a team where if he alone was marked, the team was dead.
When messi is marked out he disappears, but since that in no way guarantees success it rarely happens, because even if you marked out messi, there are a bucket load of players in that team who can hurt you. But ronaldo was the sole life for united, mark him out and united are done, so he was always being marked , but that din’t stop him and he still produced.
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@Spizzy & Grognard- To be honest that’s how I actually feel when it comes to the player. I think he is superior and I’m not being clouded with any emotions or anything. I really do feel that a more creative player, a more prolific, more intelligent, more precise and better team player and better defensively can’t be compared. I’d feel the same way even if Ronaldo had the same personality as Giggs. Nothing to do with liking or not liking him. However I apologise for putting that statement out about it being an insult. It wasn’t necessary and I humbly take it back. Seriously. Now I’ve made my case and supported where necessary with stats and facts. All have admitted he is a “cleaner” dribbler, more creative, better team player, more intelligent and every form of stats and facts point to the fact that he is a better goal getter. He has ALWAYS been known as a big game specialist contrary to what is being claimed. I have conceded that Ronaldo is better in the air, stronger and marginally faster and maybe better at set pieces. I just didn’t see that as what makes me to have lost the debate “hands down”. If my facts and stats are out of context then maybe I’m wrong. But then again apologies to all for that statement.
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hell.. Ronaldo is better than Messi..
Ronaldo > Messi : in pace
Ronaldo > Messi : in strength
Ronaldo > Messi : in stamina
Ronaldo > Messi : in goals scored
Ronaldo > Messi : in aggression
Ronaldo > Messi : in dribble speed
Messi > Ronaldo : in dribble accuracy
Messi > Ronaldo : in passing
Ronaldo > Messi : in Headers
Ronaldo > Messi : in flair
Ronaldo > Messi : in showboating
In Short, RONALDO >>> MESSI!
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still ZIDANE > Ronaldo
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I disagree with your assessment on flair, on dribbling speed, goal scoring, and you didn’t add creativity and intelligence or team play or defensive duties. I mean without taking freekicks and penalties and tracking back constantly and playing less games and taking significantly less shots, he scores more. Check the stats if you so wish. Things like goals per game ratio, shots to goal ratio. Tim Vickery will happily let you know of the great work he puts defensively. He rarely loses possession and in full flight he is simply untouchable. There’s sometimes no solution to marking him even trying to deliberately foul him. But I’ve just realised that this whole thing is really heavily pinned on personal opinion and is a debate which can go on forever. And hinder everyone from realising we have a game tonight,today or this morning depending on where you’re from. Better discussions like do we all have confidence in our tactics or who should become our 1st choice central midfield pair. I think those are more relevant discussions. I’m officially dropping the Messi and Ronaldo talk.
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NICKY BUTT > ronaldo
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@Merlinus: Even though I have tried my best to stop all the people getting into this topic (because when people start to go beyond a limit for defending there point they actually unknowingly come up with statement in which they disrespect the other player. And to show any sort of disrespect to such footballing genius is not a good sign of fandom in my books. My personal opinion no offense towards anyone), I would like to react on your I found it sensible way of putting things in perspective rather than just writing comments after comments.
I would say couple of things. In most of the things that you have said I agree with you except following…..
Dribbling: I honestly feel that as far dribbling skill and ability both are concerned Messi has edge over Ronaldo. That comes out of the close control that he has. And I think the dribbling speed is one of the components of overall process of dribbling which Messi is better in.
I think there are couple of things I would like to add to that at least two things in that least….
Vision – Messi > Ronaldo
Close Control – Messi > Ronaldo
For everything else except for dribbling speed (not running speed) I agree with you.
So now if I want to add up things to aggregate:
Ronaldo is better : Pace, Strength, stamina (Debatable), goals, Aggression, Headers, Flairs and with a negative of showboating…
Messi is better : dribble speed, dribble accuracy, passing, Vision, Close Control….
So Roanldo Scores in 7 things with one debatable point and one negative.
Messi scores in 5….And mind you I haven’t added the finesse that Messi has and Ronaldo doesn’t…
All this proves that they are very close to each other and perspective totally depends on the way you look at the things…..
But, I would put this way
If I am a person who wants to go to football match then who would I prefer playing Messi of course for just sheer pleasure on eyes he gives…
But if I am a captain or manager of the football team then who would i prefer of course Ronaldo he is a match winner thats all…
So, take your perspective who you are…. And what you want….
But, having said all of it I will reiterate that They are footballing gods… Please don’t compare….
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Something new to talk about……
I came across this on some footy site (i don’t exactly remember)….
Stats of Rafa Benetiz…
62 players in, 51 players out of a cost of £247 million….
Amazing and then that cunt manage to say that he doesn’t have money…
Mind you they all are last 5 yrs stats…… Even after buying 62 players the man has not been able to change team from two man team to 11 man team what a pitty…..
I want Rafa to continue at pool forever….
Like they say…” IN RAFA WE TRUST”…….
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Please move to the newer post…
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@Merlinus: at headbutting
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