Sep 08
Gill on City and Ronaldo
There’s been a lot of nonsense circulating in the media lately regarding David Gill’s comments on the reported £135m offer from Man City for Ronaldo.
Leave all those reports alone. I suggest you listen to what David Gill had to say exactly and make up your own minds about it. Here’s the link to the interview on BBC 5 Live.
Listen to the interview right now and come back to read the rest of this.
I am waiting…
Right. Now that you’re done listening let’s talk about what he had to say. When asked about the comments al Fahim made about signing Ronaldo, he said this:
“I have never met the gentleman. That is a fantastic amount of money and would turn the industry upside down so I can’t believe he is serious at those sorts of levels.”
But the following words were what got most papers all chatty:
“Ultimately we would discuss any offer with Alex and the owners, as that sort of money is very large for one person. But we are not in the market to sell our best players.”
But the important thing to note here is the way the reporter pressed him with his questions. What he asked was something to the effect of, “any club would consider an offer as high as 135m for a player” for which he answered in the most sensible manner that he could befitting his standing in the club.
So really, sending out headlines that United will consider an offer that high from Man City is being sensationalist. Nothing more.
Al-Fahim is supposedly the PR face of ADUG, and according to this article, there are more conservative factions within the consortium which could tell Fahim to shut his PR trap temporarily. Really, nothing can be said about the seriousness of the group until the January window. They are loaded and could spend big money, but the question is: are they loaded and stupid too? Conventional wisdom would say no. But when their wealth exceeds the GDP of several African nations put together, the lines between stupidity and prudence get blurred.
That does however bring us to a more interesting question. How much would you really sell Ronaldo for? Would a figure of say, £200m, be too much to resist? After all that is about a third of the debt, if I’m not mistaken. And with that sum of money, entire clubs can be bought — leave alone individual players. Of course, even if we decide to ship Ronaldo to City, I seriously doubt Ronaldo himself would be keen to swap colours within Manchester. I just can’t see that happening.
What do you think about City, Ronaldo and a transfer fee big enough to appear acceptable to us to sell Ronaldo?
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@Jay wire: So if Ronaldo said matter-of-factly in public that “I want to join Real Madrid, Manchester United should let me go” , would that not be a bigger insult in our face? Maybe he should have said what we all wanted to hear then, “I want to stay forever at Manchester United” while his heart was set on madrid, and the negotiations were going on behind the scenes, would that not be a lie? what if after he said he wanted to stay and Real actually got him, would we not brand him a traitor and liar?
Seriously, his silence was pretty much the best way to have handled it. Again, look at the Robinho case. Ok, ronnie did make some hinting gestures, but is he not allowed to? after all, that was his desire, to play for Madrid!.
Seems to me, some people are actually angry at the fact that he wants to play for another team, but that can’t be held against him. Almost every player in the world at one point in time wants to play for another team, maybe Berbatov, hargreaves, Rooney are all as ‘disloyal’ and ‘egotistical’ as Ronnie, afterall, they too wanted to leave their respective clubs to play for us!.
No player should have to apologise for trying to acheive his goal or dream, and I do not expect one from Ronnie. He did, however, like you say, create a bit of a circus with his naive gestures/comments, but he apologised and justified them, which is why i’m ok with him now.
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@AlphaRS: If he scores a few goals, the fans will support him again.
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@tevez: Lets hope we are not that shallow.
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@Jay wire:
Thank you. I know that was a bit of a rant but the whole Ronnia saga has annoyed me no end!
@tevez:
I certainly will not be doing that.
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liverfools arein trouble
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@Gabriel:
That’s fair enough mate.
I am only angry with him because he took the joy out of basking in the glory of the double over the summer with he comments.
For that I believe he is extremely selfish.
I mean Ronnie could have said something along the lines of “I am a Manchester United player and I am extrememly proud to wear the shirt. If another club wants me then they should go speak to SAF about it as the media can speculate all they want but it won’t matter a thing”
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@gator:
Fat Rafa is in trouble!!. All he can do now is play an ultra-defensive formation (what’s new?), but we’ll still nick it.
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Don’t we we believe in our club or its history? whats is this “Seems to me, some people are actually angry at the fact that he wants to play for another team, but that can’t be held against him. ”
Er thats is why we don’t the fans have fallen out of love with him, give me strength!
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@AlphaRS: true, true… that was actually the main reason I was pissed at him during the summer, but when he did the interview, he did apologise for his naivety and that’s why i forgave him.
The summer was a bit rough, and tbh, that was mainly due to the media’s obsessed desire to convey negative stories involving United. i mean, when we won the CL, Sky was more interested in John ‘Cry Baby’ terry sobbing on the pitch!!.
All in all, we handled everything well, we kept one of our star players, and got another!. Not forgetting the fact that with the additions/inclusion of Manucho, Rodrigo, twins, evans, petrucci etc we have a more balanced squad for the present and a promising squad for the future. No amount of media-induced hysteria can taint that fact!.
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@Jay wire: let me put this question to you. I assume you have been brought up supporting United, so if you were playing at Madrid or Barca and United expressed interest in you would you be tempted to leave and play for them? I know I certainly would. Yes I was disappointed that it looked like he might leave but you have to understand that he never supported United and idolized Madrid. He only said he would leave if Madrid payed the 75-80m that the papers were claiming so that the club would be well compensated
You clearly still hold a grudge against him for the 2006 WC thing. Tell me this, if Ronaldo could play on Saturday and Gerrard stamped on Rio and Ronaldo went over and protested to the ref would you see it as being that bad?
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Ronaldo coulda have done this, could have done that, let it lie already. he is still with us, and i for one am happy.
my personal stand on this is that he is a vital part of the team. you dont have to love him, but u have to love the team he plays for. getting right down to it, as long as man utd wins with good attacking football, who cares who is playing? he made mistakes, but who hasnt?
I am happy we won the battle to keep him, but if he wants to move, let him go. and this time, with man shieky in the fold, R.midrifts will have to pay up or piss off.
Personally if Man sheiky are stupid enough to try to buy the stars of the teams, i would enjoy their fall when ADUG realise their play thing isnt working out.
If i was hughes, i would buy all the wonderkids in the world, and MAKE my own stars… they are the ones who are able to be bought. people like the ramseys, the diogos, the andersons and nanis before man utd landed them.
too bad for them, i am a man utd fan for life;)
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The thing with Ronaldo for me is that I understand his desire to play for Real. If I played at Real and United wanted me I’d feel the same way. His courting of the media was disgraceful but he never really gave out concrete statements, so it’s hard to judge him. Then of course there’s both England’s and Spain’s excitable tabloid papers stringing stoies together out of nothing.
If the Abu Dhabi lot said they’d wipe our debt for him, that would do it, but it’d need to be a startling offer to let him go to City. It’s like if Liverpool made a bid.
I personally think that even though Ronaldo has a desire to play at Real he’s not unhappy with us, and he’ll stay motivated because he absolutely loves to win.
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Leaving aside the city factor which is just too ridiculous to consider for the various reasons stated above, Ronaldo will leave, it’s when not if. I think SAF knew he’d get Berbatov now and can build the team to be Ronaldo-independent after this year. That’s why he convinced Spartacus to stay. He knows that next summer, if he still wants to go, we won’t need him.
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A United player wants to play for another team, to me that is betrayal you cannot rationalise support you either in or you are out.
Ronaldo great player but another footballer for hire and we are better off without him.
As a club we should be beyond that and if people do not understand that then its over my head. I can never understand a fan who supports a player for wanting to leave over a fan who belives his view is being disloyal.
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AlphaRS said, “Utd fans at the N’Castle game chanted Feck off Ronaldo.” What a fecking travesty – shame on them – says more about some United fans than it does about the player they are abusing -pillocks!.
Ronnie messing about with his phone, laughing & joking, while his team are playing etc etc etc. Well how feckin dare he
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Georgie Best 10 times better than Ronnie is today?. Are you feckin serious?. Bestie the always pissed up one?. My old man went to every United game in those days. He told me Bestie used to disappear for several days at a time, when nobody knew where the feck he was. ALWAYS turned up for training late, and quite a few times disappeared at half time, into a distant room instead of the dressing room with the other lads, to have sex with some bird, 10 minute quickie so to speak. I heard Bestie admit to these things on the Parkinson show, and we all were laughing about it. Bestie was a great player, a legend yes, but a model pro like Ronnie – NO feckin way
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@Stephen: mate, of course I believe in our club and it’s history… and so do other fans of other clubs. If every player decided that it would be an insult to his repective clubs history and prestige to leave for another, there’ll be no player transfers!!
We expect all that loyalty and respect from the players but they deserve nothing back?
Ronaldo wanted to play for Real Madrid, not because he felt it is a greater club, they might be close, but because it is nearer to home/family, suits his lifestyle and more importantly, was his childhood dream.
The reason i’m even less angry at him is he actually respected our club and it’s history by refusing to moan and bitch about leaving our club. Hell, the guy even tried to apologise and explain his intentions and naive gestures during the summer. What other sign of respect and loyalty do we want?
He might have taken away from the gloss of our double, but the media and manchester City Council had a huge part to play in that. Abusing and demonishing the guy because he has the wish to, once in his lifetime, play for his dream club is ludicrous. Berba, hargo, and Rooney had that desire or wish to leave their clubs and play for us too!!.
We are a great club, but let’s not get carried away with totalitarian or despotic ideologies in thinking that when a player plays for us, he should have no desire to play for anyone else.
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@Gabriel: Mate we have given him a lot of loyality, to be honest and call me a heathen I don’t care about other clubs I only care abourt United. He handled the whole summer transfer business badly, and I will never forgive him for it, I pay that club a lot of money every year, and that club pays his wages so I expect something back.
Craig, Bestie is the best player ever to wear a United shirt end of mate and he showed the club loyalty.
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RedB says, “next season we wont need him.” I admire your optimism mate
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Stephen mate, like AlphaRS and Jaywire you don’t seem to be getting it!,
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You think any player that plays for us, should declare undying love and fidelity, for the rest of their careers. Trouble is though, Latin players are already in love with the Madrid’s, Barcas or others who they loved and supported since youth. We brought in foreign players, thinking they would be as undying in their loyalty as our legends were/are. Some of them might be, but most of them like Ronnie want to be nearer home, where they love their own culture and families etc etc. Most of our legends and loyalists for life are Brits mate, in their own culture and homeland. We need to get used to the idea, that if we want to continue to recruit the best foreign players, they will mostly come on a less number of years, than our Brits. Live with it my friend
Tevez says, “once he scores goals, the United faithful will support him again.” Judging by the bitterness residing in quite a few of the United fans, I wouldn’t bank on it Tevez. My arguement is, that he shouldn’t need to score goals to get fan support. He is wearing the United shirt, and says he will give it his all. That should be enough, but sadly it won’t be. Rio, and Giggsy being booed is just an example at the fickleness of many United fans, behaving like spoilt brats, and abusing players just because they cannot find a way to get over things. Still that’s life Tevez, and we have to live with it. Anybody booing near my mates & me on the terraces, home or away, will be finding themselves in a scrap, so hope they are in for the same kind of verbal abuse they are dishing out. This has brought division amongst the United faithful – thats
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@Craig Mc: That is a two way street, I supported Kleberson, Bellion, Djemba x2 and Prunier, so should I not support my club because, well thay were shit?
I think if a player is being payed £70-90k a week they should show us loyalty, sorry if I am old fashioned.
I will not live with it that makes us different to the scousers who win nothing, our players belief in our club wins us doubles, not league cups.
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@AlphaRS: Alpha RS, if you go back and see all the matches of the previous season, Ronaldo does go and celebrate with his team mates. Its not as if he stands alone when everyone else is celebrating.He looked genuinely happy. For instance, he is the first to run to Scholes when he scored against Newcastle. Of course he did behave like a selfish prat during the summer, but he has come back now as a United player and he would lose the desire to play for us if we continue slating him throughout the season. Those fans in the newcastle game have behaved like Man city. Think back how the city fans used to call us corporate whores and that we only buy success, but look at them now. Those fans are exactly the same as City fans. They’ve behaved no better than Ronaldo did during the summer. He has come out and apologized so move on and let him play as he did for us last season. Lets criticize him depending upon his performances on the pitch.
Craig Mc, in yesterday’s post you had commented that United should be taken over by DIC. I’m not in support of the Glazer takeover but I think they’ve behaved well and have not interfered in the footballing side of things. I think that’s why we’ve been better off when compared to Liverpool and Chelsea. So how do you know those guys would be away from football and stick to the management side?
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Geeeeeeeeeeeeeezzzzzzz
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Robinho scored for Brazil….
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@Stephen: fair play to you mate. I think he has been respectful, professional, maybe a bit naive and selfish in his behaviour over summer. He never once did slate our club or miss a club activity or deadline, rather even went on to try and appease the hurt fans after the media-induced fiasco was coming to an end.
As per gettin somethin back from him, I would believe his performances last season’s and those before would be ok. It’s not like he contributed zilch and when we needed him, he decided to leave or sumthin!.
Call me ‘in tune with the times’, but given the current climate of football, he has actually proved very loyal and respectful towards our club.
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Stephen, if you don’t learn to at least TRY to live with it, you are going to be continually disappointed mate. Because this is the climate of modern football. We would have to focus on buying only British players mostly, or at least those players also who don’t mind marked change in culture, and lack of sunshine
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Krishnan, I was saying mate that DIC had asked the Glazers if they were interested in selling the club, and that DIC would have brought phenominal wealth with them. That’s why L’Pool want the american owners to sell to DIC. The Glazers said NO to any sale. I wasn’t saying that the Glazers hadn’t been fair owners and given Fergie the players and help he needed. I think there lack of interference in team matters, buying selling etc has been exemplary. Yet I did wonder whether the debts we have racked up as a club, might not some day come back and bite us on the butt. I have no reason for this pessimism, but it has happened to other clubs carrying loads of debt. Things change. But yes, with DIC if they had come in, who knows like you say Krishnan, if they would have been to us the great meddler that Abramovitch is to Chelski. If the City owners are anything to go by, on early coming and going comments, maybe they would.
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Any News about Anderson’s Injury Guys????And will Hargo be starting against l’pool….Could you guys pls let me know about our probable midfield against L’pool.
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I hear that the Abu Dhabi royal family are estimated at 1 trillion dollars….HOLY FUCK…
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YAWNN! Football without United is … boring!
Sept. 13th is next day in my book…
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Get it through your skulls. Ronaldo isn’t going anywhere until Fergie does.
Until that time, lets enjoy the boy. He gives his all and leaves his heart out on the field. We can’t ask for much more than that
I know I will.
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I was angry at Ronaldo too because we didn’t have chance to celebrate our wins the whole summer, but I am really tired of hearing people saying “the player gives 100%”. Ronald gives 100% too and in difference of other cunts(Rooney mostly, who was an underachiver for over 2 years now) he dilevers. Does anyone know that Rooney is one of our highest paid players. WTF? Is he worth all the money? I don’t give a shit if he gives 100% or not. I am sure almost everyone in this forum will give 100%, it doesn’t make us legends. This is the last year for Rooney to shine and if he can’t do it, then…it will be really bad. Also stop bitching about what Ronaldo did. As some people already said it was his dream and in the end I don’t give shit. The fact is we can take more shit from Ronaldo then from Rooney, because he is a much superior player and giving 100% is of no concern. I would rather have a lazy bastard like Drogba, who scores goals, then a “true red” like Rooney, who is a piece of shit player. I said it and now you can try to bash me.
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LOL…You guys really hate Rooney…??? He just lacks the passion to be an individual player.
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Orez, Struth mate, watch out ‘cos the Rooney fans are coming to get you
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@Orez: WOW!!. From reading ur comment there, i’ve come to three conclusions; you are bieng ignorant; you are being naive or maybe you are trying to come across as both so as to get a rise out of a sensible United fan.
First of all, you call our 2nd most productive and influential player last year, “a piece of shit player” ; how you can call the player who had the highest assist ratio in our team(2nd in the league), 3rd highest goal scorer in our team(just one behind Tevez), and overall 2nd most productive player in our team(2nd to Ronaldo) a ‘shit player’ is beyond me. That is, despite the fact that he played a considerably less amount of games than the rest of the team, wherein he played out of position in most of them.
Maybe on your evaluation, the rest of the squad apart from Ronaldo is shite!!. People say Rooney has not lived up to expectation.. what expectation? He always delivers above average performances, yet he is never good enough. Messi, who played in similar positions and in a similar amount of games to Rooney last year, got similar stats to Rooney, yet he is hailed as a phenomenon. Tevez played as a striker all thru last year and got just 19 goals(just 1 more than Rooney), maybe he is shite too…
I reckon Ronaldo has spoilt us United fans, as we now expect all our attacking players to score 30+ goals, well it’s not gonna happen!! The expectations from Rooney are unrealistic, and we are only making it worse by slating him and breaking down his confidence. Geez, from your statements, you would think Rooney scored three goals and two assists all thru last season.
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@Craig Mc:
as I was writing my comment above, I was thinkin that u’d be sayin that…. 
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maby we should sit roo for a couple games here and there in favor of a berba tevez partnership in order to try to get him to concentrate on staying in opponents end of the field.
cauze some games last year he was acting as a sweeper, whitch he was brilliant at, but he could be a brilliant secondary striker just as easily.
I dont know i think peoples expectations of him are a little high him being english and all.
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@Orez: ok let’s sell Rooney, hell why not throw Tevez in as well because if Rooney is ‘a piece of shit player’ then so is he. How many has Tevez scored this season? I know you’re going to tell me how he has played well but if Rooney was playing like him people would be criticizing him for something else. I mean give the guy a break, he could have scored 2 or 3 against Pompey but was unlucky and also had a perfectly good goal ruled out. Tevez from what I can remember had one shot which went miles over. And yet Rooney had a shocker and Tevez was brilliant.
When you said you’d rather have Drogba it showed the single-mindedness of your argument. If you want Drogba go and support Chelsea. Rooneys assists have directly helped Ronaldos goal tally. You can’t have a team full of flair players. A team of Ronaldos would be hammered in every game. A team full of Rooneys would destroy most opposition
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Shhhhhh folks, remember Rooney is shit! And it doesn’t matter how well you back up your arguements, he is still crap
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@Orez: He has been the second most productive player in the league over the last two seasons, so he may not be the player you hoped he would be but that doesn’t make him shit. He is far from it. If he plays the same way he has for the last two years for the rest of his life i will be more than satisfied with him, because he is still very effective. Ronaldo hasn’t developed into the player i thought he would be, but i’m not going to hold it against him because he is important to the team. He contributes. I’m certainly not going to call him ‘a piece of shit player’ just because he isn’t the player i hoped he would be.
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@JB: yeah I was going to go for the sarcastic approach but then got too angry. Some people should look at the bigger picture instead of jumping on players backs when we don’t score 5 goals every game
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@Liam: Rooney and ronaldo are both flair players, drogba isn’t. I’m not sure what you meant there. Also, a team of rooney’s against a team of ronaldo’s really doesn’t mean anything because nobody cares about their defensive abilities.
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JB,
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@R: I was about to post this after reading his post, but you got to it first, unless you’ve been a United fan for less than 5minutes,everyone should know “Man U” is wrong.
Anyway, on Ronaldo, good player, but I’m pissed at the way he left it to the end to clear up his future, I’m sure Fergie had made it pretty clear to him right from the first whisper of interest from Madrid, that he won’t be selling, so instead of saying “I stay”, then, “I’ll decide in 2days”, then “I’ll decide in 2weeks” and then “I’ll talk after the surgery”. He should either have made clear his intentions or just said NO COMMENTS, instead of giving the media fodder to chew upon with his silly one-liners. I respect him as a player, but i never like him even before the Madrid saga, the whinging at Refrees and diving totally irritates me, and its just strange that we United fans seem to have turned a blind eye to that, oh well i guess he scores our goals so we can afford to watch him dive and not feel anything, but we get pissed when other players dive.
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Watch Craig, if you roll your eyes anymore more they might get stuck in the back of your head
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@Craig Mc: Bit odd if all latin players want to play in Spain the only player I can remember saying that is Ronaldo.
I can’t remember Fabragas, Torres, Alonso ect speaking like that, only Ronaldo.
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@Stephen: quite simple! Only Ronaldo is the best player in the world. And it is a commonly known thing that Real goes after only the best!!! Remember how last year it was with kaka!
If Rooney was to become best player in the world than other clubs will come calling for him as well. Its another matter if Rooney will want to move or Utd would want to sell him. But other clubs will always come for best players (and certainly for the best player in the world).
if Fab or Torres become best player in the world tomorrow you can bet ur a** that clubs like Madrid/Inter/Milan will come calling! It is how it goes in footy world. Zidane moved from Juve to Madrid. So did Ronaldo (the Brazilian one) from Inter to Madrid and so did Figo from Barca to Madrid. (honorable mentions also include Becks from Utd to Madrid and Owen from Liverpool to Madrid). I guess we should realize that Madrid really have got tremendous pulling power (anybody denying that is just being jealous). All these players were at the time best in the world (except prob in Becks or Owen’s case). Except for an odd romantic (like giggsy or maldini but such players are rare) most players cannot really refuse glamor of Madrid!!!
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@jos: Thanks for the lesson mate, but I don’t care about Real and I expect loyalty from one of our players, not much to ask is it?!
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@Stephen: You dont care about Real than why do you care about Torres or Fabregas or Alonso to compare them with Ronaldo?
And what exactly is your definition of loyalty???
In fact IMO Ronaldo is no less and no more loyal than Rooney or Roy keane or Rio or any other player that ever got transferred in their life! The only truly loyal players are the likes of Maldini or Giggs or Scholes etc (one club people). Rest are all mercenaries who all went to (or in case of present day footballers, leave for) bigger clubs to win things. But we got to understand that players like Giggs can only be very few as clubs like united cannot take too many chances on their youngsters. I wish united could develop some more youngsters and not keep buying all the time but unfortunately it seems it is not happening anymore. Anyway we just have to get used to players coming and leaving now. Its not going to be like old days when players would stay at one club all their life.
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Stephen, Tevez also is talking about Spain!. At the most being with United for 4-5 years before moving back to Argentina. Evra was going on not so recently about United not respecting him, or something to that effect, in his ongoing contract negotiations. He was saying he didn’t know what was going to happen, and was thinking he might have to move. If Anderson and Nani get big, and Real come in for them, flashing the money, and especially if Ronnie goes, do you think they won’t consider it. I know they bloody well will. Fabregas said he won’t go to City, but he was talking last season about Real M, and how he would like to go back to Spain in the future. Torres we can’t consider, because he only just arrived. Lets wait until Rafa gets booted out of L’Pool, and see what happens then. Torres admitted that he went to L’pool because of Rafa. Think about it the other way around Stephen mate. In your mindset, Hargo, Evra, Rooney, Berbatov, were all disloyal then, not staying true to their clubs, and upsetting their fans. So should we hate on them like Ronnie, because they moved to us from their clubs. If you say no, then it is selfishness Stephen mate surely?. We can grab the best players from other clubs, but none of ours can leave us without being called traitors. Something wrong with that thinking to me. Anyway, peace bro peace
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JB,
, O NO, I suddenly lost my eyes into my head, quick someone get me to A&E, 
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@Craig Mc: Oh but I am selfish mate!!
Seriously I just expect some loyalty back from our players guys not too much to ask for is it? We spend huge money on fees and wages, and I understand there is a pull from Spain, but to openly admit that and to joke around at the fans expense, I find that distasteful.
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