Comments on: Heinze loses arbitration for Liverpool move, what’s next for him and United? http://redrants.com/heinze-loses-arbitration-for-liverpool-move-whats-next-for-him-and-united/ Manchester United Blog Sat, 11 Feb 2012 19:57:20 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Grognard http://redrants.com/heinze-loses-arbitration-for-liverpool-move-whats-next-for-him-and-united/comment-page-1/#comment-3372 Grognard Wed, 22 Aug 2007 16:16:50 +0000 http://redrants.com/heinze-loses-arbitration-for-liverpool-move-whats-next-for-him-and-united/#comment-3372 JB: I hate to say I was right but I guess I was. Apparently Real Madrid has agreed on a the fee for Heinze. Soccer 365 from the US reports the following; "Real Madrid have agree a fee with Manchester United for Gabriel Heinze, according to reports in Spain. Marca claims that a fee of around 12 million Euros (just over £8m) has been agreed between the two clubs for the Argentine left-back, who has been prevented from joining Liverpool. It is thought United are happy to sell him to a club outside of the Premier League and so it could be up to Heinze whether he wants to return to Spain. The Argentine is apparently planning an appeal against the Premier League ruling which denies him the chance to join Liverpool. He could be faced with a tough decision - take the exit route to Madrid or pin all his hopes on an appeal that could fail and see him stuck at United." Hopefully this turns out to be true. JB:

I hate to say I was right but I guess I was. Apparently Real Madrid has agreed on a the fee for Heinze. Soccer 365 from the US reports the following;

“Real Madrid have agree a fee with Manchester United for Gabriel Heinze, according to reports in Spain. Marca claims that a fee of around 12 million Euros (just over £8m) has been agreed between the two clubs for the Argentine left-back, who has been prevented from joining Liverpool. It is thought United are happy to sell him to a club outside of the Premier League and so it could be up to Heinze whether he wants to return to Spain. The Argentine is apparently planning an appeal against the Premier League ruling which denies him the chance to join Liverpool. He could be faced with a tough decision – take the exit route to Madrid or pin all his hopes on an appeal that could fail and see him stuck at United.”

Hopefully this turns out to be true.

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]]> By: JB http://redrants.com/heinze-loses-arbitration-for-liverpool-move-whats-next-for-him-and-united/comment-page-1/#comment-3371 JB Wed, 22 Aug 2007 16:15:45 +0000 http://redrants.com/heinze-loses-arbitration-for-liverpool-move-whats-next-for-him-and-united/#comment-3371 Grognard Fair point some of the criticisms were harsh, but they were more to illustrate a point rather than to compare him to a pub player! I do not mean he is a Division 2 level player but his lack of composure in possession/passing was evident when compared to his team mates. On a number of occasions (Celtic away sticks out) he was the weak point in the team when in possession and it served to provide opponents a weak point when marking/pressing. This is what I mean when referring to technical deficiencies. I would also say that he is prone to being dragged out of position paticulary at CB (although the same is true of Evra). In terms of attacking, towards the tail end of the season in a number of games Ronaldo was being double marked when on the wings. During these games (particularly Milan and Chelsea) there was a distinct lack of support from the full backs. Now I would expect this off Brown and O’Shea (square pegs in round holes) but not Heinze. This is where Evra (and G Nev) being absent hit us hard. As for the world cup I don’t particularly object to his actions, but there was a certain disregard to his long term recovery making it difficult to have any sympathy for Heinze. Similarly I fail to see any particular level of loyalty from Heinze to the club. Be careful not to confuse committed playing style with loyalty. I fail to see how the club has mistreated him. He came back unfit from the world cup, when he regained fitness he was rotated with Evra (who played superbly until Liverpool away), played in the 2 league games against Chelsea, the FA Cup Final and most of the critical CL games. He was then told if he wished to leave he could for a reasonable fee as long as it was abroad. We had a league to win he can hardly expect to be played in preference to Evra just to facilitate his recovery. Just casting my eye over last years line ups he still played a fair few times before the turn of the year. Sorry for the long winded reply and if I came across as bitter but this particular issue has annoyed me. PS: Just to show what I know Madrid are being heavily linked with an £8m bid in the Spanish press! Grognard
Fair point some of the criticisms were harsh, but they were more to illustrate a point rather than to compare him to a pub player! I do not mean he is a Division 2 level player but his lack of composure in possession/passing was evident when compared to his team mates. On a number of occasions (Celtic away sticks out) he was the weak point in the team when in possession and it served to provide opponents a weak point when marking/pressing. This is what I mean when referring to technical deficiencies. I would also say that he is prone to being dragged out of position paticulary at CB (although the same is true of Evra).

In terms of attacking, towards the tail end of the season in a number of games Ronaldo was being double marked when on the wings. During these games (particularly Milan and Chelsea) there was a distinct lack of support from the full backs. Now I would expect this off Brown and O’Shea (square pegs in round holes) but not Heinze. This is where Evra (and G Nev) being absent hit us hard.

As for the world cup I don’t particularly object to his actions, but there was a certain disregard to his long term recovery making it difficult to have any sympathy for Heinze. Similarly I fail to see any particular level of loyalty from Heinze to the club. Be careful not to confuse committed playing style with loyalty. I fail to see how the club has mistreated him. He came back unfit from the world cup, when he regained fitness he was rotated with Evra (who played superbly until Liverpool away), played in the 2 league games against Chelsea, the FA Cup Final and most of the critical CL games. He was then told if he wished to leave he could for a reasonable fee as long as it was abroad. We had a league to win he can hardly expect to be played in preference to Evra just to facilitate his recovery. Just casting my eye over last years line ups he still played a fair few times before the turn of the year.

Sorry for the long winded reply and if I came across as bitter but this particular issue has annoyed me.

PS: Just to show what I know Madrid are being heavily linked with an £8m bid in the Spanish press!

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