Jul 20

How Do You Solve a Problem Like Sir Alex?

Let me start by saying that this isn’t going to be a anger filled anti-Fergie tirade like the ones I have become famous for in the past.  Let’s just say that I may be in a small minority of fans who truly are not pleased with what has gone on this off-season with our transfer policies and actions.  And it’s time I had the forum to write about my concerns and discontent in the only way I know how, Grognard style.

 

Respect:

First off I have to set the record straight, I have the utmost respect and love for Sir Alex, for his 25 year tenure with the club and for all the greatness and success he has brought to the club.  But I am also a bloke who believes in two old school adages that go like this.  “What have you done for us lately?”  and “You’re only as good as your last game”.  And if I am to be honest with myself, I have to throw everything Fergie has done for us in the past out the window and concentrate on what he is doing with the club now and for the near future?

 

Transfer activity:

Bottom line is I am perhaps one of the few who is incredibly disappointed in our transfer actions , or inaction this summer and horrified that this club has yet to solve it’s two greatest problems or needs, the lack of a quality central midfield and finding a quality replacement for the useless and highly overrated Patrice Evra at LB.  And the key man in the decision making is of course the Boss.

Any day now we can all expect from Fergie the spirit crushing annual address to the media and fans where he will just come out and stoically say that United are done with their transfer business and that there will be no more new signings.  In the 90’s and early this century I had no real problem when Fergie would come out with that annual customary quote.  Why?  Because by the time that occurred United had truly concluded their off season business and bought all the players they wanted or needed.  That certainly is not the case these days.

These days, or should I say the past three years have seen us all go through very dry and unproductive summers, not coming close to getting our man or men in the transfer market. For three years the most lingering need and definitive requirement this club has needed to address is that of central midfield.  And for three years Fergie has neglected these needs and nothing has happened.  Yes, we still have time on the clock to buy somebody but honestly, how is one expected to purchase a world class midfielder or two when their signing and negotiating tactics used are archaic, and the penny pinching is borderline comical for a club that has just been named the richest in the world.   What a laugh!

Barcelona stack their already world class squad with a Sanchez and possibly even a Fabregas when they don’t even need him, and we are stuck naked out in the wind wondering how on Earth this club will reach the promise land again with no central midfielders of any quality and now no Paul Scholes?  I believe the transfer policy of this club is bordering on absurd.  Wesley Sneijder is too rich for our blood not because of the transfer fee, but because United do not want to match his wage demands.  If I am wrong with this assumption, then why is it Inter keep saying to United to make a move?  What has all the talk been about these past few weeks if both teams haven’t even talked?  It’s been about paying the player’s wages.  That’s a boardroom tactical issue for another time but right now my issue is with Fergie.

How long is the Boss going to go before he finally pulls the trigger in a serious manner on a quality central midfielder?  Sneijder, Schweinsteiger, Hamsik, Modric, Nasri and even Fabregas in theory are available for the right price.  Oh Spurs say Modric isn’t for sale but we all know that Daniel Levy talks from the side of his mouth.  Bottom line is it takes money to buy a world class midfielder who will substantially bridge the gap between us and Barcelona, not procrastination, haggling over pennies and the inability to move on a player before everyone else gets the scent.

 

You are only as good as your last game:

Fergie’s delaying and seemingly incredible lack of reality is mind blowing.  Where has all this denial come from?  As I stated earlier, “you’re only as good as your last game” and the last game we played we got humiliated and dissected by Barcelona in the biggest match of the year.  Twice this has happened in three years and for three years we have been waiting for the answer to our midfield questions and yes, why is Patrice Evra still our Left Back?

It would be far too easy to blame the Glazer’s for all of this and in the previous two years I’d say it was a valid statement, but this season the preseason had a different feel and vibe to it.  The rumours of cash to spend and promises made indicated that players were finally going to be bought, and they were.  We selected the goalkeeper we knew we had to buy due to van der Sar’s retirement, but please everyone explain to me why we would spend so much money on yet another winger and yet another center back, if after that was where we were going to stop?

For the record, I have no issues with Ashley Young or Phil Jones as they are quality players but honestly, is that the best use of our limited finances knowing full well that our central midfield is a shambles and that we have a albatross manning the left back position who is useless both in attack as well as defense?   With players like Coentrao and Baines out there, Fergie instead rewards incompetence with a new three year deal and continues to tolerate diminished return in the midfield rotating the likes of Anderson, Carrick, Fletcher, Gibson and Giggs while Barcelona spend money reloading for yet another free ride through the Champions League trophy. Let’s just say I am frustrated and fed up with Fergie’s inability and unwillingness to fix problems that have been as clear as day for quite a while now. Denial is not a river that runs through Egypt.  And the beat goes on.

Grognard.

 


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  • Damn. Sorry Grognard, Haven’t been online much so wasn’t able to agree with some of your comments.

    I do find it laughable how people continue to say our loss to Barcelona was a one-off. Believe me if we had played them 100 times the result would have been the same every time. It was the most one-sided final I have ever seen.

    Of course Barcelona are far superior to the side they were in 2008 and 2009. But we should have learned our lesson in 2009 and prepared for this rematch better.

    As for Evra, he has been a defensive liability for some time. Even Ferguson knows it which is why he habitually plays Park in front of him. And he has cost us in many big games.

    I agree on his day he is superb. But in a defender you want consistency and he does not have that.

    Funnily enough in the 2008 games he was superb and helped keep Messi quiet when Barcelona misused him as a wide forward. But he hasn’t played like that in some time.

    Rafael and Fabio are lightweight defensively.

    You can get away with lightweight defenders if you have a good midfield. Look at Barcelona. Their defence is no great shakes but it has never really cost them.

    But if we insist on carrying on with Carrick, Fletcher, Anderson and co, at least make sure our defence is rock solid the way it used to be.

    • In football, there will never be two similar games. If you think this loss is equal to the one in Rome, you are kidding yourself. Despite creating more chances back in 2009, we scored this time. And back then they scored two goals from our mistakes, rather than them just being brilliant this time around. We’ll face Barca in 2 weeks time, then we’ll see if United are gonna lose by two goals again. My bet is on us winning. :wink:

      • I dont think we can take any thing from the barca game in a few weeks. After all pre season is about little more than fitness. I agree with you on what you said about the two barca games though. Like united common sense seems to be rising to the top

  • This article basically said what majority of football pundits, fans and even the media think about united. Where I think it went wrong was the attack on the manager and the the general vibe around the article. In a perfect world, people would critique the article with a clear and unbiased conscience but reality is, we all read the article with the writers history of doom mongering in mind.
    Our midfield is weak, very weak infact im surprised people only remember barca. This is a midfield that was comprehensively overrun by west-brom and sunderland just to name a few. It’s not just a midfield that wasn’t good enough for barca, it’s a midfield that lost the battle to the likes of fulham, westbrom, and every top team in the league bar chelsea. We can look at the most consistent central midfielder in our team just to get a feel of how poor it is. Michael Carrick is a player who has zero composure under pressure, zero ability to actually turn and move forward with the ball, 10% ability to actually tackle an opposing player and 10% ability to hold on to the ball when we are under pressure. His best attributes include being one of the best interceptors, and he is very good at long and short passess when given time on the ball. That is the best midfielder at the club at the moment, everyone else is below him in terms of overall midfield ability. Now we can see why we are always getting overun by mid table teams, we have a mid table midfield whose weaknesses are covered by our defense, wingers and attackers.Even when we have majority possesion, the ball is usually between our backline and carrick. It’s a rare occurence these days to see united just keep possesion in the opponents third and patiently try to pick apart a defence, the last time I remember this was when ronnie was still here. Due to our lack of midfield all you see this days are long balls from the back and extravagant crosses from one side of the pitch to the other. Long balls and wingers trying to dribble past 3 defenders is the order of the day. We no longer see a build up where our midfield is camped on the opponents third and passing the ball between them and the forwards. We don’t have to overdo it like arsenal but have midfielders who can move the ball purposely and dont rely on nani, valencia, rooney or young to unlock the defence for them.

    • Yes our midfield may have been outrun by West Brom and Sunderland, but then again it kept Chelsea quiet for 4 games, beat Arsenal twice, did well during our win against City, completely outrun Shalke in two games, and made us win the League by 9 points.

      Our midfield is our weakest area, that I know. But lately I’ve been wondering if it’s our midfield that is shite, or if just the rest of the team is so good. I mean, we probably have the best defence, and the best strikeforce in the world. Add to that, we now have the best young goalkeeper in the World, and no other team can rival our wingers. Seriously lads, Anderson is a player who has kept Fabregas, Gerrard, Essien and De Rossi quiet. Although he lacks consistency, rarely will you find a midfielder with his pace, strength, passing ability and dribbling all combined into one. If he just adds some consistency to his game he can become an unique player! Carrick, one of few masters of the defensive playmaker role. He can control a game just sitting in front of the back four, and does it better than many others. It’s hard to find a player who plays his role better than himself, maybe there is Xabi Alono or Bosquets but other than that you’ll find none! Giggsy fucked up Chelsea 3 times, almost on his own, which is saying something… And Fletcher is what some people claim to be the missing piece in our quest to beat Barca. Our midfielders don’t look so bad now, do they? :wink:

      • A great post, thank you

        • Let me just say that again, a great post, thank you

        • A great post yes, but he only echos what I have been saying for ages. I seriously doubt you would have been so kind to the post had it been written by Gobsnard. :roll:

        • It does not echo what you have been saying, but if that is how you see it then that cool with me. How about every one else?

        • I have stated all the things he wrote above before. You choose to ignore that though and just have a bug up your ass regarding me and ignore most of what I am saying anyway.

        • It’s not what you say, it’s how you say it.Reminds me of a joke I heard, A diplomat is a guy who can tell you to fuck off and go to hell but does it in a way that makes you thank him.

  • You are famous for Fergie rants are you, let me leave your little ego alone for a moment. I will guess your anti Fergie rants you are so famouse for have taken place over the last 5 years. Would any 1 care to post this man our league and champions league finishes over the past 5 years please. So that covers the what have you done for us lately bit, I think .

    As for your tired moan about transfer activity you should look to how the aquasition of players works and then if you still fancy pissing blood, do so on the correct people. The ones that set the budget, negotiate and conduct the business.

    The boss believes only the best will do (by all accounts anyway) If the boeard can not get the best, the boss has a tendency to roll up his sleeves and do the business with what he has got at his disposal. With a great deal of success would you not agree?

    Then the barca game comes around again no doubt. We got beat, get over it. If we had met barca in the semi’s I have no doubt it would have been a close tie. In a one of game yes our midfield was lacking. But hang on if we listen to some of the so called experts on this forum the boss is deliberately sat on his arse drinking scotch and saying lets make uniteds midfield as shit as possible.

    If the board can not get the players the boss identifies, whos fault is it. If Silva goes to City for the money, If Sanchez goes to Barca for the weather. If Inter do not want to sell Sneider or infact he does not want to leave Milan for Manchester or indeed the board will not sanction 200k plus per week. If Fergie does not like Van De Vart and lets him go to spurs, (by the way I thought VDV had an average season over all) Who’s fault is it? Is it the manager for only wanting the best, The board for not being able to close a deal, The owner for being a cunt or Manchester for having shit weather

    Is it the fault of the man who took a limited midfield and dragged them to another league championship over taking our biggest rivals and got us to another champions league final where in all honesty any thing can happen (remember 99)

    Again I ask the questions,what are the alternatives? Sack Fergie and bring in who? Will this new manager be able to change the climate in manchester and at united. Will a new man suddenly see us spending 60million on a player as we pay them 300k a week?

    I can think of one solution. Dont moan when the window for transfers is clearly open and dont moan when the big deals have yet to be done. Have a little trust in a man who has brought you more silver ware than you can possibly imagine, have some patience and please dont come out with crap like you are only as good as your last game. After all using that logic you are only as good as your last post.

    So you have the questions, do any of you have the answers?

    • First off lets get this over with between you and I. I think you have a serious bug up your ass when it comes to me and to be very honest, I have come to have an incredible dislike for you as well. I don’t dislike you for your disagreement of everything I say but how you say it. You are mean spirited, rude, cutthroat and just hateful. It’s like at some point in our history I knocked over your ale and fucked your sister without your consent.

      Listen Red Tan, I have an idea you are somebody from this blog’s past who has come back with a grudge. If I am wrong then so be it, accept my apologies. But the fact is this war has got to come to an end. I see things different than you, that is plain and clear, but I am far from the Neanderthal you seem to claim in your irreverent manner. You may not value my age or years of following this game but I do not need your constant critique of my feelings and theories as if you are the all knowing.

      I do not hate Fergie but I have to admit in all honesty, I am disappointed and disillusioned by him. It has been a cancer that has been growing in me for three years and it has reached critical mass. You seem to think he is not to blame for anything yet I say differently and the fact is neither you nor I can say we are categorically right. It is all conjecture and feelings based on events, facts and the present vibe around the club. I could give you a list of reasons and examples for why I feel that way but right now that is not my goal. My goal at present is to end this war with you and make peace. I travel around the blogosphere and I see dozens of articles about Fergie and United that echo my feelings so I know without a shadow of a doubt that I am on to something. I am not alone in my feelings but with some people, being honest is strictly verboten right?

      Your only purpose for being here these days is to solely attack everything I say. It’s like a vendetta or bitter grudge and frankly it’s getting boring, tired and as for me, it is getting frustrating and has had me avoid the place for several days before yesterday. I do not make a habit of running from a fight but I was so put off by your rude and unfriendly remarks that I just felt staying away was the better policy until I was granted an opportunity to write a thread for this blog. So I wrote about my frustrations regarding Man Utd and Fergie.

      Does it bother me that you disagree with my views? Not in the least, but do you have to be so volatile, rude and condescending in your replies. Just disagree, give your reasons, back them up with your feelings and perhaps I will agree with you, and if not, then at least we could debate the issue until we came to an understanding. But this won’t happen because you simply hate my guts and nothing makes your blood boil more than my existence on this blog. Well pal, let me say that I have been part of this blog for six fucking years. You on the other hand have been a part of the blog for three fucking weeks. I made my bones on this blog and paid my dues a long time ago and many a man tougher and meaner mother fuckers than you have had their go at me and I’m still here while they have disappeared. Why? Because regardless of what I say and how I say it, the best interests of this blog and this community are my biggest concern while you seem only concerned about being a bully and a cheap shot artist.

      You think you’re tough taunting me and throwing insults at me behind your computer don’t you? Trust me, you wouldn’t if we were face to face. That’s not a threat, that’s the truth. But again, I am not trying to fight with you. I just want to know what makes you tick and why I tick you off so much. What is it about your life that makes you so intolerant of others that you cannot accept and respect their contributions even if they do not fall in line with yours? I have erred and been 100% wrong on this blog in my behavior towards JayWire simply because I cannot stomach anyone saying a good thing about the Glazer’s. Yet you befriend him while you claim to hate the “Glazer scum” and attack me just because I have the courage to stand up to Fergie despite all his successes and accomplishments and ask him why he continues to neglect such a glaring weakness. Well trust me when I say money is the issue and this still goes back to the Glazer’s but I digress.

      I am tired and fed up with this battle between you and I. Trust me when I say that this past week I came within an inch of quitting this blog because I could no longer handle the abuse from you and a few others. I was and am fed up. Your venomous hatred towards me is uncalled for and it’s rather childish considering all we are talking about is football. But then again this is the sport that has firms and hooligans dancing around who call themselves devoted fans when all they are is social outcasts, gangsters and criminals. In this world one never says a discouraging thing about the home team right? Well I’m sorry, I am not a lamb and I don’t blindly follow a team like a flock of sheep. If that is what you are after and your barking orders for me to fall in line, well it’s not going to happen. So I’m negative, maybe it’s because Fergie has spoiled me rotten and I am drowning from our success so much that I can’t get enough of it. Truth is I am a perfectionist and I do not like the way this club is being run since Ronaldo left.

      I almost left the blog but I didn’t. Still, I feel like leaving because frankly, this blog has become very mean spirited and the membership on here has shown very little respect to each other. It’s ok to insult the team, the manager and the players on this blog, not the members. Those were rules created by Red Ranter when this blog began. I have broken those rules many times myself, but I have to be honest, 98% of the time it has been as a retaliation to an attack directed at me. I have a thin skin, what can I say? Just yesterday I let Harry Carrick have it but the truth is, he insulted me first. That doesn’t make me right in getting back at him but this is what is happening more and more with this blog because fellows like you come on here and rather than start a debate with someone, you instead want to belittle other people’s views, and then pick a fight with a complete stranger over FUCKING FOOTBALL. :roll: :roll: Honestly man, can’t we both just grow up a bit and be more civil with each other? Is it really so bad that I voice my concerns or viewpoints. Isn’t that what this forum or blog is about?

      • [OPTI]Madschester United

        Groggy, I agree with you that RedTan‘s responses have been WAY OUT OF LINE and not worthy of being on this blog — liverpool shirt, cock-remarks, etc.. are totally inappropriate [where's the moderator?]

        The post you had above this reply, was fine IMO, but the rest is pretty low and beneath most people… you should change your tone and apologize to Grognard.

        I will take Grognards pessimism and conjecture over your immature hateful rants any day.

      • Not at war with you, trust me on that. You are very opinionated, thats not a bad thing. You take a lot personally and for that I am sorry. Dont, its the internet, one big shim sham. I like positivity and read very little if not any from you.

        You say I am rude, how ever the rudness you have shown to me and others in the past does not register with you

        I stand by my point we have enjoyed great success over the past five years and your posts show very little love for that. Or joy in that matter. I realy think you need to chill out

        The fact you were very quick to kick a fight of with me when I “dared” to criticise you a few blogs past made me think you needed dropping a peg or two. So while I drank a brew a few times a day I asked questions of you. If that offends I am sorry and if you offened that easy do not put your self in the shop window the way you have on this blog. And you are wrong if you were sat in front of me now I would say the same. No need to give it the hard man line to satisfy your ego. As I do not care.

        It is very convinient how you use my post as an excuse to create sympathy towards you. You clearly care about what people think in cyber world, why? You read my post as abusive and rude. How ever we all read with a tone in our own heads. My inner voice has a smile when I read, yours clearly does not and for that I am sorry.

        The point still remains though you say all that you say and make it out as a personal thing between the two of us. A smoke screen to avoid answering the questions I continue to put in front of you. If it is so bad what is the solution? I asked a few questions above , yet you fail to answer them. Instead you resort to thinking it is a personal attack and then in some way of putting me down tell me I am friends with Jaywire (forgive me if the name is wrong) a Glazer supporter. Am I friends with him, do I support his views. You are well aware that most people are lazy and will not research the accusations you make

        I dont have a problem and would respect your opinion if you provided solutions to points you continue to raise and moan about, nothing it seems is good enough and this poor me act of I nearly quit this blog because of you in order to generate a popularity contest is frankly pathetic and some thing I would expect from a child and not a grown man, who I believe from your posts a man who has some intellect.

        Note Sorry Jaywire your name was used in response and i have no idea what your views are

        • I tried to iron things out with you but still, the name calling and the labeling continues. Pathetic and a child is what I am called when I plead to you for peace. You want facts? Just what exactly do you think we are debating here, the Wall Street financial meltdown, America’s debt ceiling or nuclear physics? We are talking football and it does not take much more intellect than what a lab rat has to understand the game and it’s financial machinations.

          I have been on this blog for six god damned years and I have written millions of words on here. I have always backed up what I say either with proof, common sense or logic or both. I am not an idiot despite what you might think and I do pride myself on my intellect and lack of naivete. Above all, if I see something wrong, I refuse to be a conformist monkey who falls in line just because I happen to support a football team. I will point fingers, even at people I like and respect like Fergie.

          Supporting United for me is not do or die. It’s not in my blood like it might be with some Mancunians. I am a Canadian after all, a country famous for it’s fairness and objectivity and not for it’s conformity. We are a tolerant people but we are also not fools who blindly follow and never question the status quo.

          Like I said, I have been here for six years now and although I grant you the majority of my posts may be of the negative variety, the fact is and you can dig through the archives all you like and you will find I been positive, good humored and downright giddy on many an occasion.

          Go back to 2007/08 and see just how full of praise I was of the club and the manager. Sure if something bugged me like a bad performance or something out of the ordinary I would comment on it, but people on here must remember how full of praise I was for Ronaldo’s exploits, Fergie’s style of football and all things United. But that is quickly omitted or ignored in your lambasting of my person and contributions here. I cannot see your “inner smile” nor do I feel any kindness or politeness from you. Instead you are the negative and angry one trying to stop me from expressing my true feelings, whether they are feelings you agree with or not. That is not right.

          You like to be positive and appreciate positive posts on here, fine I respect that, I tend to be more negative because I in fact feel that negative about United’s present state of affairs. The obvious affairs the whole world knows about. Terrible owners, an incredible debt, no sign of fixing the nagging issues that affect the club on the pitch or off and yet you demand facts. WTF!! 8-O Do you live in a bubble? Are you unaware of the millions of discontented fans, movements like MUST, the Red Knights and other fans who have banded together out of concern for the direction the team is going in?

          Perhaps you are color blind as well as you may have noticed a green and yellow campaign at OT and around the world where fans are wearing the colors of Newton Heath to demonstrate their anger and dissatisfaction with the current state of affairs at OT. But you claim I am devoid of facts. Well check the yearly financial reports if you want facts. And you want facts from what I am bitching about on the pitch, look again at our ridiculous spending and our lack of fixing the holes in our lineup. Better yet, why not look at the facts even closer. Look at the last two Champions League finals we have been in and look at the countless number of road games where we have had no midfield play and we have been dominated, often by inferior teams. The truth is out there as they used to say in the ‘X-Files’. All you have to do is take your biased home kissing blinders off and see things from a more objective point of view.

          What I am saying is echoed by many in the media but the fact is the media is against us and they are all London scumbags who lie. Better yet, I love it when you use that inner smile and compare me to a Scouser Liverpool supporter. OOPS! Did I mistake that for humor or your way of just being a nice guy?

          I’m not perfect and yes I do get on Fergie a bit much at times, but I honestly am angry and frustrated with the way things are being done and not being done. I have that right. It’s not about me being right, it’s about my right as a fan to want something else or demand satisfaction. Why should I not have that right as a consumer or as an elitist to demand better of my team?

          Yes, as much as I am a fan and have been for longer than you have probably been on this planet, the fact is I am also a consumer. I am the one who buys the tv package to be able to watch the games here in Canada. I am the one that buys the dvd’s, magazines, jersey’s and t-shirts, the key chains etc. Do I not deserve the right to complain if I feel unsatisfied?

          Go back to the past years threads if you dare and you will see many times where I delivered a positive game review or player review and many times where I praised Fergie for the job he was doing with what I feel is a patchwork club. I went on many occasions to praise him and say that last season was his greatest ever season as manager. But that still does not excuse him from siding with the owners against the fans, protecting and defending the owners and then constantly suffering from denial or his own stubbornness when it comes to addressing the midfield situation.

          How many days has it been since the season ended and we still are waiting for that midfielder or two? No good team worth it’s salt is going to sell a player like Modric or Sneijder at the deadline because it gives them no time to find a replacement if that has not already been done. But instead of feeling our obvious needs we buy yet another winger and yet another CB. Great players but a surplus in areas where we really have no worries. Why not take that money spent and use it to buy these highly expensive central midfielders that seem so elusive and hard to get? Well I have news for you, they are a Hell of a lot tougher to buy after you have squandered your transfer kitty on players we do not need as much and further more, procrastination never gets you anywhere.

          Competition is fierce and if Fergie had listened to me and other like minded voices three years ago he could have had Sanchez for a dime and Sneijder for a bag of balls and a lottery ticket but no, I was just being negative back then when I was saying use that money from the Ronaldo sale and raid Madrid and a few others and buy these young stars before they become so great that we cannot afford them or afford their wages. But there I go again being negative. Like I said, frustration and lack of patience guides me, not ignorance and conformity.

          All I am asking for is a little understanding, tolerance and some respect because after six years on here and countless contributions to this blog, I earned that much.
          Instead you show up out of the blue and decide to make yourself chief enforcer and it’s your duty to run the rabble out of Dodge. Get over yourself. Look at your own contributions to this blog and see how much courage you have to offer an opinion or facts instead of limiting yourself to mean spirited replies to posts that do not agree with your mind set. Put yourself out there and show some balls by taking a position and defending it rather than running other people down. So far all I have seen from you is snide remarks and sarcasm directed at me and others who don’t see eye to eye with your new world order. Try offering up your opinions and write a post not directed at hurting somebody on the blog or reducing their contribution to others. Try a little tolerance and stop acting like a fascist who tries to bully others into conforming to how he sees this blog as being.

          I was told today that I don’t own this blog, and I know that, but neither do you mac. So I would suggest you try to get along with people and stop antagonizing them just because you do not see eye to eye with them. Disagree with them and debate them but insulting and belittling them is not fair, it’s rude and it’s uncalled for as well as showing absolutely zero class. I have been guilty of that in the past too, even though it’s been mostly as a retaliation to attacks directed at me. Still, I know when I am wrong. Do you even come close to recognizing when you are wrong?

        • I did not ask for facts as you can not predict the future (If you can cool we have to speak more) All I ask of any one is that instead of moaning they come up with an alternative. Read my post again

          Sorry man but your last post made me think of this

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXpUdBlRZe8

        • Well I have news for you, they are a Hell of a lot tougher to buy after you have squandered your transfer kitty on players we do not need as much and further more, procrastination never gets you anywhere.

          Whats is our budget this year? I am interested to know

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXpUdBlRZe8

        • 3 champions league final+one champions league thropy+4 domestic league throphy ..and u insist on criticizing the manager=pathetic

      • Im sorry but I just dont see how you can keep on saying lack of money is an issue. We spent 50m this window on players we arguably didnt need. We needed a new goal Keeper and Fergie splashes big money on a 20 year old keeper for the future. He pays decent money for Young, a winger when we already have 3-4 quality ones. Then he spends big money on Jones, even though he is nowhere close to being a first XI regular.

        At some point you have to admit that parts of your theories are wrong and adapt them. The money is clearly there when fergie wants it. The problem is he doesnt go after the targets you like. and the other part is you chronically underrate our side. You look for reasons to challenge our success in order to prop up your long standing ideas that the glazers are shackling fergies hands. 5 years on and their just isnt any evidence to support that claim.

        Yes we got our ass handed to us by Barca, and yes our MF could be better but this transfer window alone showed open your eyes on just how hard it is to get quality proven MF players. Their are only a handful of dominant players, and they are most likely already playing for top teams who dont have to sell.

        You cant tell me fergie hasnt been active in this market trying to upgrade our midfield. Like I said it does need upgrading when compared to barcelona but after them we are just about on par with 98% of the rest of europe. But you seem to think despite evidence to the contrary that our MF doesnt stack up against anybody. It does and our Domestic and European record over the past 5 years speaks for itself.

        The way I see it, their are only a handful of players who could improve our midfield and they are all virtually unatainable (modric, Sneijder, Fabregas, Iniesta, Xavi, Scheinsteiger…) Obviously the barca players and the barca bound players were never coming here. the other three Fergie has tried to get.

    • No I’m INFAMOUS. Get out your dictionary.

      • 1.
        having an extremely bad reputation: an infamous city.
        2.
        deserving of or causing an evil reputation; shamefully malign; detestable: an infamous deed.

        Is that how you see your self? If you ever need to talk I think I can help

        • Please note, the above post was done with my cock in one hand a man city shirt in other, you will never walk alone on the stereo and a picture of the gay icon Joe hart on my desk top. I masurbated in to stevie G printed bog paper.

          On a side note how well would that sell. Liverpool FC bum paper. Wipe your arse on a pool player every day of the week. Any printers on this blog get in touch

        • tonymontanna4united

          johnsom, come off it mate, there are perhaps a dozen players out there, who do a job for us, if not now then in the near future.
          Dunno about you, but id take any of martinez, vidal, rodwell, honda, m’villa, badeji, pjanic, gourcuff, eriksen, bannan, even adam ahead of anderson, carrick or fletcher.
          Im not saying that any of those mentioned are necessarily as good as sneijder, modric, or schweinsteiger (who would be my ideal signing in a perfect world) but to say there is nobody out there, just seems an excuse.
          I know you cant pluck a hernandez out of nowhere very easily, but weve shown with him, smalling, the silva twins, we can find young talent out there. Just not in the midfield positions it seems (saying that, that llajic guy we “signed” is apparently quality at florentina).
          We have to be honest with ourselves, buying a star player like a modric or sneijder is always going to be difficult for us, because traditionally we do not go for these types of players, and our wage structure probably doesnt accomodate them.
          But there are others out there, who whilst not as good as the aforementioned, one day could potentially get to that level, or atleast us something that is 2 or 3 levels above what we currently posess.
          So not having a go at you mate, i just keep thinking when people say there is very little out there, that is a very strange view, as there is plenty of quality out there, its just hard to come by. But it does exist nonetheless.

        • [OPTI]Madschester United

          “Dunno about you, but id take any of martinez, vidal, rodwell, honda, m’villa, badeji, pjanic, gourcuff, eriksen, bannan, even adam ahead of anderson, carrick or fletcher.”
          — then it is good that your not in charge… all of those a punts that may or may not work and have little to no guarantee of being better than Cleverly come season end.

        • tonymontanna4united

          OPTI, we could bring in xavi, iniesta and fabregas and theres no guarantee they would work out either (think veron). Every signing is a gamble, and anyway most of those players ive mentioned are hardly punts. Kieron dyer on a free is a punt, a young talented 16 year old we prized from barca would be described as a punt. Most of the players ive listed here are good young to entering their prime, players, all availble and not going to cost the earth.
          Of course we’d all like a modric or a schweinsteiger here, but id take most of those i mentioned ahead of an overweight anderson, 37 y/o giggs and an inconsistent carrick. If you wouldnt then fair enough, but thats your opinion and id urge you look at players who arent called modric, schweinsteiger, sneijder or de rossi because it looks highly unlikely we will prize any of those stars here.
          If some want to hold a “them or nobody” outlook then thats fine, but our midfield is hardly top class right now is it, and it desperately needs a star player, or atleast a very good one (of which i think you can say most of those i mentioned, definitely are).

        • None of us are in charge dude. Does that mean none of us are allowed our opinion? Who here is an expert? Let him stand up. Nobody I think so does that mean we should all stop speaking our minds and opinions and let this blog die a quick death? The blog is all about opinions and views from the fans. We all like to think we are a bit in the know and offering our take is no less offensive or wrong than the media offering theirs. Or are we all to fall in line and obey the thought police and their new world order where expression of thought and ideas is forbidden? Isn’t it just easier to say you disagree, give your reasons and leave it at that. Why do some on here feel it necessary to belittle and insult those with a mind and opinion of their own? I respect your views as well as everyone’s

        • No but you react to me and my posts as if they are infamous rather than famous. That was my point. I just thought you wanted me to see myself as negative. :wink:

  • @Jay Wire

    You asked me how Anderson played. Well, he looks to have become fitter and played the whole 90 minutes, the only player to do so along with Rio and Rafa. He became tired towards the end, and I barely noticed him from 75 minutes onwards, but he did a good job before that.

    In the first half he played in central midfield with Giggsy, Anderson being layed further back than the Welshman. Very much the Carrick role of last season, but with much more freedom to go forward. He made some very good long range passes, and had some wonderful through balls over the top of the defenders which came to nothing because Owen can’t dribble too well and more often than not Nani dilly-daddled. What I did notice however, is how Anderson always seems to look for Young. One of Scholes best attributes, along with him being able to dicate the tempo, was that he could get the ball wide during any given circumstance. Anderson did just that lately, which impressed me. He got stuck in and won a few tackles, but his positioning just in front of the defence impressed me most. Because of the turf he slipped a few times and lost the ball, but that was the mistake of the pitch so all in all he had a great first half.

    In the second half he was quite invisible, but this time he was more defensive. He didn’t go forward as much as in the first half, but he covered great space in midfield. Just running into space, covering ground, instead of doing everything to get the ball, made it hard for opponents, and made them hade to take some long shots which challenged Amos, but most of the time they went high and wide. Played it safe, didn’t try the extraordinary, and did well in a defensive role.

    I doubt he will play this role when Carrick is next to him, but playing next to Giggs and then Park made him have to. And he did well, of course some rough edges, especially in the second half where he jogged back more than running. But it’s still early, and I was impressed. Looking forward to the Chicago game now!

    • [OPTI]Madschester United

      I thought Anderson was rather poor. Some poor passing and give-aways marked his day… but it’s just a friendly preseason game.

      • He overhit some passes in the first half, and went invisible for the last 20-15 minutes, but all in all he performed rather well. During this pre-season I’ve decided to analyze Anderson’s every step, pass and his movement, and he did well yesterday.

        • @RedDevilEddy: i agree with you on some of it but Anderson struggled a bit when playing with giggs in the middle…he was far more comfortable with park along there and ran out of gas by the time when Carrick was on but that was expected since he ran quite a bit to compensate for giggs who does not really offer much in the middle or defensively..

        • I saw 3-5 passes that he didnt/couldnt make because either he didn’t see it or it would have required the use of his right foot.

          otherwise, he played well enough, for me anyways

    • Thank you RedDevilEddy. I think a good pre season will do Anderson the world of good. i think it is all about minutes on the pitch at the moment for the lad.

      BTW who hit dislike for such an informative , non opinionated post (shakes head and walks away)

      • A lot of Anderson haters on this blog mate, you wouldn’t know! :roll: By the way, you seem to shake your head and walk away very often… Why do you always come back if you don’t like this place to begin with? :-?

        • I have one leg longer than the other, the result i spend my life walking around in circles. Hope this helps

        • tonymontanna4united

          I just cant believe ando has the chance of a lifetime, a starting spot up for grabs after scholesys retirement, a chance to really grab it by the bollocks, and yet again he shows up overweight.
          Really speaks volumes about the lad imo, very very disappointing.

        • He likes his pies and likes his hoes, :wink:

        • he doesnt look that big to me… the first couple pics from the beginning of preseason he looked chubbed up but ether the camera was adding weight or he purged alot the last two weeks :oops: :lol:

  • tonymontanna4united

    Christ, during my year on this blog, ive seen practically everything anyone can talk about (even muppets actually sticking up for the glazer leeches) and never did they get the sort of venom, and abuse directed towards them, that grog did here. Hes expressing his opinion for fucks sake, if you dont agree with it, then fine, disagree with it and move on, and perhaps instead of calling his character into question and resorting to childish “hes a scouser in disguise” calls, simply state your differing opinion as to why he is talking “complete bollocks”.
    Most of what he says is bang on the money. Our CM is complete and utter shit, that consists namely of an over weight brazilian, a virus stricken fletcher, a 37 year giggsy and a player in carrick whose form goes up and down as much as a bloody elevator.
    2 maulings at the hand of barca, over a dozen complete shite performances whereby weve been practically played off the park for long periods of the game to the likes of wba, wolves and sunderland, and here and we are going into yet another season with the same old holes being as large (if not larger after scholesys retirement) as they ever were.
    I dont know if id go as far as to call young and jones a waste of money, as ive stated before that i consider them both to be very very good players. But the fact remains, as i think was grognard entire point to this article, if we have any ambitions of over taking barca and getting back to the top of the tree like we were in 2008, then we need more than this.
    Players like sneijder, schweinsteiger, modric will help bridge the gap, and who knows, maybe just maybe, we are still trying to negotiate and are hopeful of bringing some of them in.
    If thats the case, then its a step in the right direction. However with calls from fergie where hes said he’d be happy going into the season with what he has, his comments regarding sneijder, whereby it seems were not entirely bothered about whether we miss out on him or not, and the fact weve overlooked our midfield for the past 4 years now and are now nearly into august, maybe its understandable why for some of us, are starting to feel a bit worried.
    Why were worried when fergie says he wouldnt mind entering another season with the same old midfield. Or when he says its no shame to be 2nd best to a team like barca. Is he playing mind games? Are we in negotiations elsewhere? Is he starting to show his 70 years of age and no longer feels he can get up for this sort of fight anymore? Is he content at only competing for the PL? Is he actually perfectly happy with what weve got?
    Well i guess we’ll get a better idea with what were going to do in the coming weeks. Still until we do something, its perfectly understandable imo why fans are becoming concerned with the team, and the gaping holes that continue to be left unfilled.
    If we want to overcome barca, which surely has to be the plan, then its not going to happen overnight. Of course its not, but the work has to start now. At the end of the day, players like carrick, giggs, fletcher and anderson are not going to help us overcome them in any way shape of form. Age, inconsistency and perhaps a total lack of talent in the first place have put paid to any ideas of that.
    So the players have to come from somewhere, and as of now we are yet to see them.
    So i guess maybe its better we wait and see for the minute. If we end up with a sneijder or the like, then by all means its a step in the right direction, and a move the manager deserves credit for. It will show the world, we are manchester united, and we are not going to put up with being 2nd best, regardless of whether everyone is happy to be just that. If it doesnt happen though, and we enter into yet another season with the same old midfield, well i think it will spell out our intentions regarding fighting with barca.

    Regarding evra, again grog is right on the money. The man has been a joke ever since lennon made mince meat of him in the carling cup final about 2 odd years ago. He was at fault in the first barca game in 2009 for the messi goal, and since then has probably been at fault for over 50% of all the goals weve conceeded. Christ just go back and watch last seasons highlights, and you’ll notice the staggering number of goals we conceeded from him not closing the oppoisiton down, or simply not being in sight as he was pissing around doing god knows what, back on the half way line.
    If after that, hes still in the top 3 LBs in the world list, then im the bloody king of siam.
    At 31 its time anyway, young fabio was given more opportunities to impress, so evra should be on the way out in the near future anyway.

    Anyway grog regardless of what others are saying, i thought it was a nice write up, with alot of valid points. To hell with the people calling this a shit blog and slating you and throwing insults at you like your malcolm glazer. Its funny most of them are users who i dont think have even posted here before eh :roll:
    Anyway mate, just wanted to let you know some of us did actually appreciate your post and not everyone here is childish and thinks your really a “liverpool supporter in disguise”, and that goes for some here who dont necessarily agree with what you said, im sure. So keep on giving your opinion mate, if we were all the same it would be a bloody boring world wouldnt it. You may well find as time goes by, more and more people start agreeing with what youve said anyway, especially if were done buying players this summer and end up leaving things as they are.

    • Thanks for that mate. Just when I thought all my friends on here had deserted me, you showed up to lift my spirits. Unfortunately I feel I am fighting a losing battle and before we know it, the thought police and bullies of the blogosphere will have taken over this blog and forced the likes of me out. I honestly don’t know how much more of the abuse I can take for just writing from the heart and being honest. I believe I am right in what say but I am open to debate and correction. Instead I get hatred name calling and venom and when I retaliate, I get the ruler in the backside. I can’t win for losing. Thanks again for your support, but then again, you have always been one of the more enlightened members who marches to his own drum and not the one by storm troopers who occasionally show up here to burn books.

      • tonymontanna4united

        Wrote a response before, but its not showing up, so just to shortly summarise what i had written, just wanted to say, dont give in to certain morons on here. Even for those who dont necessarily agree with what you have to say, im sure they can appreciate where your coming from, and that underneath it all, your a die hard red with over 30 years of loyal support, who just wants the best for his team.
        If calling you a “liverpool supporter in disguise” is the best they can come up with, then theyre a sorry bunch really.
        Your one of the old heads on here along with eddy, johnsom, colver, trav, red rich (wherever hes gone to) etc and it would be an almighty shame to lose you as many on here consider your posts to be quality and desperately needed to make sure this place doesnt go stale.

        • Yes mate but as he correctly assumed, it is important for me to be liked. So sue me. I don’t appreciate all the hatred and negativity directed at me. I am as you say just a fan who wants the best for his club and is seeing things that he either does not like or disagrees with. The best they can come up with is shit like what right do I have to issue orders or demand anything of Fergie? It’s just immature childish attacks and I am getting sick and fucking tired of the abuse and lack of tolerance and understanding. Above all, other than you, most of my friends on here have not come to my defense in all this and many have left the blog altogether and so I am feeling a little sorry for myself and kind of betrayed and alone. So I thank you for your support and to the few others who support me or at least agree with my opinions or right to offer them.

        • Grognard,

          I don’t post here usually but I have been following this blog for over two years now. I enjoy reading your comments, even if I may disagree at times.

          But right now, I am in total agreement of your assessment of the team and the management. Our midfield is in shambles and our coaches are tactically and technically inept when compared to the European giants.

          Dont leave the blog because some idiots are behaving like… idiots!

    • That was such a shit rant mate lol

  • http://www.stretford-end.com/blog/2011/06/the-man-united-conundrum-that-has-no-correct-answer/

    This is easily the best article I have ever read regarding Berbatov and his time with United. The berba haters tens to downplay his achievements and the berba lovers have a habit of inflating them.

  • That Seattle defense was shambolic. But obertan did look good. maybe his iq has moved in double digits.

    If we end up not buying an AMF this year, as Scholes suggested, it wont be too bad to try out rooney in the amf position, we can do a 4-2-1-3 combination with full backs in support

    ——–GK—–
    —–defense—
    Fletcher—Carrick/Jones
    —–Rooney——
    Nani—Pea—Young

    • Comparing Rooney to Scholes is like comparing Carrick to Sneijder. It will never work out. Unfortunately Rooney is too attacking minded, and if I may say “daring”, to take over for Scholes. I will never consider Rooney a player who can stay deep and play, short simple passes. He may dictate the tempo, but he will never be another Scholes. Although their skillset may be very similar, Rooney is physically a more complete package than Scholes. The major thing which separates Rooney and the Ginger Ninja is that while Wayne plays with his body, Scholes played with his head. While Rooney is the type of player who will use his strength, his power, his pace, and his direct versitality to get the ball somewhere and make a movement, Scholes will purely think the action while it happens.

      And that formation would not work, simply as it gives us too little width, or exposes us through the middle. Our current team of two midfielder, two wingers, a striker, and Rooney, almost makes it three in central midfield as Rooney drops so deep and helps out. He become the playmaker, and really does his job well. He holds the key to this team working, and if he can mature into his current free role, I can see him becoming the best player in the world, even surpassing Messi and Ronaldo.

  • Well we have our work cut out. Barcelona have finalized the Sanchez deal.

    What scares me most about Barcelona is that whereas in the past they weren’t that much of a threat on the wings, now they have some of the best winger/forwards in the world in Villa, Pedro and Sanchez. It used to be the case that if you parked the bus you could restrict them to long shots, like we did in 2008. Now they are able to stretch defenses and pick out players in space on either flank as well as going through the middle.

    They truly are a terrifying outfit.

    • [OPTI]Madschester United

      It looks like Sanchez signed for 27 million + 10 more depending on appearances (37 million likely total)

      Bah! Spoiled for talent on the bench and adding more dimensions (read: wing) does not necessarily make them a better side. Think of when we got Berba (added creative element up front) it did not help us become a better team.

      Also, Barca are about to burst from bloated debt: http://www.espnstar.com/editorial/news/detail/item643964/KT:-Can-Barcelona-afford-Fabregas/

      • Yes but their debt goes towards making the team a better club on the pitch. The fan support and licensing around the world will always be able to pay off those debts unlike us who are being held hostage by private owners with their own selfish and greedy personal agendas. OOPS! Better stop now before FACT POLICE come a calling. And if you think that Sanchez doesn’t make them a better team, then think again. They have gone from Awesome to god like and soon they will have Fabregas sitting on their bench rotting away too while we haggle over a few hundred thousand pounds more in Sneijder’s wage demands. And I’m the one called pathetic. It sucks watching the Spanish giants buy every player they desire while we chomp on the bit like paupers settling for players who just want to be here and not players we need to be here.

        • Hey grognard I agree alot with with ur perceptions and opinions of our club.. The dilemma of the gaping hole in our central midfield that in order to patch it up with a world class midfielder with the likes of sneijder. Admittedly I am growing frustrated season after season after the departure of ronaldo. I honestly think fergie was satisfied with his legends filling those particular ositions with the likes of scholes.. Giggs and van der sar in the last couple of years and now that it is come time for them to retire he’s is now addressing the issue of replacing them .. Thats why we didnt pick up sneijder for peanuts a couple of years ago from real Madrid because he still felt scholes was the man for the job.. In fergie I completely trust I think supporters dont try understand ferrgies perspective on things and are blinded by what they want for the club. He’s definitely shown the money this year and I’m confident he will bring in a midfielder to replace schools because he feels we need to now or at least try.

    • The only team that has genuine world class talent sitting on the bench. But then again I am not allowed to be jealous and full of envy while we scrape the barrel to find a midfielder who can eclipse Mr. Anderson.

  • There is one thing people often seem to forget on this site. Which is patience. Whether it’s aimed towards a player, the manager, the team, a commenter or even the renewal of this blog. Listen, there is no-one here who knows what the future will bring, what goes through Fergie’s mind, and how the players are as people, what their minds think, and what they are phsyically capable of.

    Now I will direct this comment towards the team. Throughout my time on this blog I’ve seen some ridiculous comments, some absolutelly baffeling thoughts, and even some brilliant shit who turned out to be mad. Our team currently consists of the players we have, and I am fine with that. I am not one to tell Fergie who to sign, or what to do. If it was up to me, Tevez would have stayed. I would have sold Carrick back in 2009. Fletcher would never have become a Manchester United player, and Alan Smith would still have been here. Turns out Tevez was the biggest twat the football world has ever seen, Carrick actually is a uniquely good player, Fletcher could have made a difference to a Champions League final, and Alan Smith hasn’t scored since 2007. And that’s just my opinions! What about others? When we first signed Chicharito people were angry and devestated because we didn’t believe a baby-faced Mexican could help us win a title! When Vidic and Evra first signed, who the fuck knew who they were? Had most fans gotten things their way, the Premier League’s top scorer wouldn’t have been a Manchester United player! As fans we know nothing compared to the master, and if he is willing to show a player both belief and time then so should we.

    We wanted Aguero, now warming the bench in Madrid.
    We wanted Torres, who is the biggest £50 million flop the Premier League has seen.
    We wanted Ribery, Robben or Øzil, players who either warm the benches at their current clubs or are out injured for half of the season.
    We wanted to sell Nani in 2009, now look where he is. Look what Valencia has been able to do! Chicharito, Rafael, Fabio, even Park was someone people wanted to see out the doors of Old Trafford little over a year ago. Very few people wanted us to buy Ashley Young, but for all we know he may prove to be the player this club so desperately needs. Very few people have faith in Anderson, and want the chubby Dreadlocked fella to be sold for peanuts. For all we know he may grow to become the best midfielder in the world, the player not only to take over for Scholes but also prove to be the player that makes us beat Barca. Who knew about Smalling, a player who at this very moment actually gives the great Rio Ferdinand a run for his money! For all we know, if given time this current breed of Manchester United players may one day turn out to be one of the best in the world, maybe even history! Maybe this current Manchester United team will make people go “Barca who?”, and instead remember the greats who proudly wear this mighty red shirt.

    We as fans know nothing, but what we can do is to trust Sir Alex and believe in his decisions. Believe in his faith! Believe in our players, because only Manchester United players are Manchester United players. Believe!

    • [OPTI]Madschester United

      Refreshing!

      GK: We have solid goal-keepers with Lindegaard decent and De Gea potential abound
      DEF: Best in the league and with depth everywhere, except RB (unless, Fergie is putting Vally at right back…)
      MID: Best wingers in the league (Young+Nani+Vally), CM needs something Scholesque and hopefully Cleverly is the secret ingredient.
      ATT: Best in the league, most depth in league — best in the world? Who has better attacking talent available in seven players (Rooney, Berba, Chicharito, Owen, Macheda, Welbeck, Diouf)

      • In De Gea we have the best young goalkeeper in the World, with Rafael and Fabio being probably the best young full backs you’ll find anywhere! Still haven’t seen a lot from Jones, but judging by what I’ve read and the U-21 games he really looks good! Add to that, Smalling already gives Rio a run for his money so that itself speaks of his quality! I agree in the winger part, we’ve probably got the most balanced and best in the world at that. They are young as well so they’ll give us a couple of really good years. Rooney is the best CF in the World, at dropping deep at least. For players in his role, he is nearly perfect and in my opinion he will challenge for World Player of the Year next season! In Chicharito we have the best young striker, as a deadly poacher and in movement, in the world, with both Kiko and Welbeck proving to be really good players with a good future.

        If Pogba, Anderson and Cleverley can fulfill their potential as well… Every team, including Barca, will shiver at night! :twisted:

    • Welll said RedDevilEddy a good read thank you. Thats what gets me, people play a few games of FM and bang know more than Sir Alex Trophies

    • I dont think anyone is giving a gloom n doom picture for United. I think the negativity is only because of lack of one solid MF player. and more because of what we saw happen against Barca. Most fans are happy with the purchases so far but hate the fact that we still feel our MF is good enough and being ripped a new asshole twice in 3 years. Other than that we are alright and it is probably a good thing we are not into buying 35-40 MM players just to keep them on the bench.

    • Scholes got his first match at age 19, but had to wait until he was 23, in the season 97/98, before he was a key player on our midfield. Anderson got his first match at age 19, this year he will be the same age as when Scholes established him as a key player. We can already see some change in the young brazilian, he is now creating more goals, both for him self, and for others. He has a great work rate. And SAF praises him as our future, as he did with ginger in the late 90′s. The future is bright!!

  • [OPTI]Madschester United

    Pogba+Cleverly… something I am REALLY looking forward to.

  • [OPTI]Madschester United

    Carrick, Fletcher, Anderson, Giggs, Cleverly, Pogba — six players for two positions. None are particularly injury prone (except Anderson maybe).

    If we signed Sneijder, it could really end Cleverly’s hope of a spot at United (long term loss).

    Honestly, given the players sold thus far, I am surprised we have not even hit the bargain bin for cover at RB and CM…

  • What happend to Ljajic?

  • Park, Park, wherever you may be,
    You eat dogs in your home country!
    It could be worse, you could be Scouse,
    Eating rats in your council house!

    New 2 year deal for the fella. What do you all think? Personally I think he is a good squad player and that he had his best games in a red shirt last season

  • Thought I’d pop my head in and give my two cents, or one at least.

    I’m withholding my elation or disappointment about this summer’s transfer activity until the season starts, since I think that if we’re going to sign a new midfielder (or more than one), it’s ideal for it to happen within the next few weeks so that the new face(s) can get acclimated before the season starts.

    That being said, I feel like this summer’s a little different than the last few…not really trying to read too much into what Fergie’s been saying one way or another, but I feel like the defeat to Barca has spurred him on to be a little more active, and I think it’ll culminate with us splashing the cash on a new midfielder.

    Not necessarily about keeping up with the Joneses, because often enough, that can end up backfiring, but he knows as well as everyone else does that strengthening needs to be done, and efforts have been made and are being made to do that. Brought in one of the best young keepers in the world, a versatile future defensive stud, and one of the best playmakers in the Premier League, who, as we’ve seen, is also quite versatile. And hopefully sooner rather than later, we’ll have a new center midfielder to add to the bunch. We sign the right guy (and I have faith that we will), and our midfield won’t instantly spring to world class overnight, but it will take a big leap.

    In the end, will our new signings be enough to overtake Barcelona? Only time will tell. We can’t control what they do (and hey, good on them for being able to land Sanchez and also likely Fabregas), but we can learn from our mistakes and try to build as best a team as possible. I think we’re trying to do that, wisely and with the future in mind as well.

    And re: Evra, yes, he had some shockers last season, which can’t be explained (perhaps he still had eyes for a move, who knows), but if he’s got his focus back, we’ll have nothing to worry about there.

  • And as for the article and the response…

    I haven’t always been in agreement with Grognard’s opinions and how he’s expressed them sometimes, but deep inside, I know he only wants the best for United. Some of his opinions/theories can be a little off the wall, and he can get a little out of line at times, but you won’t find many more who are as knowledgeable about United and football as he is, and the blog certainly wouldn’t be the same if he wasn’t around.

    The response to the article…not really surprising. If you’ve been around long enough, you will agree! Just as he gets under the skin of some – even those who are his friends on here – he also expresses what others would like to say or have said, but in a much more abrasive manner than many do.

    Glad to see that it brought some new commenters, irrespective of their individual opinions, and I hope they continue to contribute. The site can always use some new, knowledgeable faces!

  • I have to agree with RedDevilEddy & Eddie Griffin! Brilliant response. No offence to anyone, Grognard can say whatever he wants and I’m guessing his current mood is disenchantment with the current transfer dealings.. However, I wish he’d posted it as a comment rather than a post. Doesn’t sit well that a Man Utd blog is somewhat dissing the boss.. Oh well, Gill did say ‘MARQUEE’ signing… :-P

    I still think we’re luckier. Imagine being an Arsenal fan! We should all play nice. I hope Fletcher recovers from his virus….

    I don’t want more scrutiny on our already much commented midfield. :(

  • Of all the articles you have done, this is the worst I am afraid to say…
    Firstly, Its premature. You never know what could still happen.

    Secondly, the manager keeps bringing silverware to this club. we have just become the most successful english club thanks to him, his stability and genius. He has built team after team that have won trophies. He has previously stated he knows he is “thin” in midfield. I would say he knows what he has and doesnt have… (watch cleverly on Saturdy)

    Every single club in the world would love to have what we have, stability and vision. Spending money is not always the answer… of course we all want Sneijder and “world class” midfielders… But to rant on about lack of spending is silly because we winning trophies, and breaking records…

    Surely we cannt be THAT bad if we win the most demanding and competitive league in the world, and have reached the final of the champions league 3 or 4 years with this “shit midfield”. They play to a style and structure that allows us to compete.

    Maybe its patience you need. We do it our own way, and have achieved. Have a little more faith

  • Pogba has grown! he seems to look a bit like Balotelli!

  • @Eddy: how are you, heard there is a blast in OSLO?

  • THIS IS NOT SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN IN NORWAY, MOTHERFUCKERS!!!! :-x :-x :cry: :cry: I’ve seen people, innocent people, lie dead in the street today, WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU?!

  • [OPTI]Madschester United

    Check out this “Thai Soccer” [Sepak Takraw] video. Some of the over-head kicks are ridiculous and makes Rooney and Berba look like kids on the playground… check out how they can land too, after kicking it.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15asVgf66KI&NR=1&feature=fvwp

  • Apparantley one man planted the bomb and killed the teenagers all on his own. Motherfucking bitch! Detonating four to five bombs right in the centre of Norway’s capital, putting hundreds of peoples life in danger. Then two hours later getting to a youth camp and killing about 30, shooting them in front of friends. Innocent people.

    This isn’t right.

    And dear English and American newspapers. Shut the fuck up about this being Al Quaida! This one man is Norwegian by origin, blond and tall. A real Norwegian, a real motherfucker, not some Islam following guy. Make war against terrorism, not religion.

  • Eddie mi man – I am so sorry mate to hear about the bombings etc and fatalities in your country. I had to come on to tell you that. I am with you and your country in this time of need and hurt. Love to you and yours Eddie and to all of sane Norway.

    • Thanks Craig, means a lot. All of my friends and I are devestated, just found out one of my best friends’ cousion is missing from the camp where that psyco bastard shot all those youngsters. They fear she is dead, either because he shot her or because she drowned trying to escape(a lot of the kids who were on that camp had to swim for half an hour getting away from that sick Nazi). It’s insane, I feel sorry for all the Norwegian people, but a lot of my thoughts also go to the people who have to experience these things every day. You don’t really realise the seriousness of these horrors before it actually hits you.

  • He killed 80… :cry: The Norwegian mass-murderer killed at least 80 people. 80 innocent lads from the age of 11… He just killed them. Shot them, and poof… I’m crying here, I’m shaking. How can one man do this?!? :cry: :cry: :cry:

    • [OPTI]Madschester United

      “Anders Behring Breivik and was characterized by officials as a right-wing extremist.”
      —- totally disgusting what these right-wing nuts can get themselves to do. It smells to high heavens of Oklahoma City bombing, where kids also died.

      I hope Norway can overcome this horrendous event and rise from the ashes as a stronger and closer nation. May extremism (of all kinds!) be marginalized and not leave a single terrorizing footprint, however small.

      Vi er med jer!

      • Thanks. Over a hundred youngsters found dead right now, and apparantley… This is only the start. Supposedly the motherfucking, dickpoaching bastardchild is part of a nazistic party. I fear this is the first of many attacks. Oslo will never be the same, Norwegians will never be the same. I fear for my country. :(

        I am really sorry to talk about this on a United blog by the way. I know it’s totally unrelated for you guys, and if you tell me to shut up and go away while I go through this tough time I will accept it. But I’ve got a lot of friends here, not collegeus and other members… but friends, something I realise now is something I must hold dearly. Who knows when will be the last time I speak to any of you guys? I just feel like this is the place to be, like you are some of the people I can talk to. The city is closed down and the furthest I can go is to the football pitch, but not really motivating at the moment. So forgive me, but please understand.

        • Thoughts and prayers for you and everyone there Ed…there are some sick people in this world, some sick, sick people, taking innocent lives for no reason.

          We’re all here for you mate, so vent away if you need to.

        • tonymontanna4united

          Eddy, dont worry about it mate, events like this put football and united in the shade, so you continue mate, its probably easier talking to complete strangers anyway, so dont let it trouble you.
          My heart goes out to you and your fellow norweigans, must be hell for you right now and just completely unexpected in a country like little norway. Your country will come back stronger from this though mate, your made of strong stuff.
          Still its fucking sick mate, one sick world we live in. Ive read youve caught the animal whose responsible for this, so i really hope you give him a taste of his own medicine. Two wrongs dont make a right, but fuck a sicko like this dont deserve to breathe the same air as us.
          PS- Hope your mates cousin, is found safe and sound.

        • tonymontanna4united

          Im so sorry to hear that mate, didnt know. RIP to her, and my condolences to your mate, and to you. Even if you didnt know her, i guess it makes what happens seem all the more real.
          Were all here for you mate if you need it.

        • thanks mate. I may not have known her, but I see how my friend drowns in her tears and screams, while at the same time having the most empty expression I have seen in my life. It’s tough, and so cruel

        • tonymontanna4united

          It is mate, it really really is. I imagine you dont know what quite to say to someone whose lost someone in such circumstances. I mean, its bad enough to have a relative pass away untimely and at such a young age, but in the circumstances that this poor girl was involved in. I dunno mate, i couldnt even begin to imagine what your friend or you for that matter is going through, because you cant really imagine it. Just be there for her i guess, share your grief with her and dont leave your feelings bottled up. Even if its just talking on here it can help, as i said, talking to strangers you dont know can sometimes be easier.
          Anyway you and your friend are in our thoughts.

  • Yeah my prayers with you Eddy. There are some sick people out there.

    Converting Rooney to a midfielder isn’t the answer. He has been messed about enough during his career. His true gift is giving defenders hell with his pace and power. Ferguson’s comments intimated he doesn’t have the discipline to play as a central midfielder and I agree. And besides the Rooney-Hernandez partnership was one of the positives of last season. Don’t forget Rooney was our second leading assists provider, and scored a decent number of goals for what was supposed to be a poor season for him.

    But I do think more of the same rubbish is not what we need. Giggs is a band aid solution. He is not a proper central midfielder and is brutally exposed at the top level. One of the worst players on the pitch against Barcelona. Carrick is OK but shouldn’t be playing every game as he struggles against teams with good movement.

    So I think we have to put some faith in Anderson. If he can avoid injury and take his football more seriously he may well be able to demonstrate some of the ability he showed in his first season. And give Cleverly and Pogba a chance as well.

    What is clear on the other hand is that a midfield of Carrick Fletcher Giggs isn’t going to take us to the next level

  • I am so sorry Eddi mi man, all those kids and the effects on their family and the nation as a whole. It hits home even more when your best friends cousin is one of them. The pure evil and macabre spirit of hatred is worldwide now, and believe me you only have to listen to many of the chants and bile coming from the terraces in football games to realise it – sport needs cleaning up from these things, and I am glad Fergie took a stand last season against some chants and hatred on the OT terraces! So many ordinary people turned into nutters by the repition of HATRED vitriol, and so sad with you Eddi that your country had to suffer such devestation and loss. With you in spirit always Eddi! Hang in there mate!

  • @Opti, Anders and all other Norwegians who are family on this blog – didn’t want to miss any of you out in the condolences – hope your families are safe. So sad for those who have lost loved ones. Thinking of you – very moved watching the news and listening to the Norwegian people on sky news! Bloody awful going on.

  • Thanks to you all. Just gotta say, this support means a lot. You have no idea :)

    Michael Owen, you are a wonderful person. Thank you, I really hope you have a good season and you have it well. Again, thank you.

    • my prayers and thoughts with you Eddy, don’t go anywhere!

    • keep your head up eddie. people like this will always exist and we cant let them have their way. they want us scared and cowering in the corner. makes you want to enjoy every moment you can. prayers to you and our Norwegian friends.

  • Any indication of of squad/lineups for the game?

    Obertan looks like a player whose skill set overmatches this level of competition but might not be best suited for the premier league, but i really hope i’m wrong about him.

  • http://tinyurl.com/rooneystats

    Rooney has 117 goals and 107 assists, those are fantastic numbers considering the amount of injuries he’s had and how long it takes him to hit form after injuries.

    the list focuses solely on assists, whereas i think a goals scored + assisted is a more accurate depiction of how creative a player is.

    Beckham tops at .57 assists a game

  • [OPTI]Madschester United

    A good (and postive) article on United’s midfield for next season and why signing a big name might not be needed.

    http://www.epltalk.com/examining-the-state-of-manchester-uniteds-midfield-33180

  • Hoping United can put up a good showing tonight, really need to get my mind off things.

  • match on
    jones cleverly welly all on

  • some reason these three post are staying on the bottom???

    match is on boys they moved it up 6 hours for some reason???

  • fire must have taken the 7-0 personally they are trying to take our heads off… :evil: ref is letting everything go

  • halftime and we look like were on vacation while they are fighting for their life…

  • [OPTI]Madschester United

    Couple half-time Chicago Fire game commentary:

    1. De Gea was poor on the first goal, did well to prevent another near the end of the game. Looks tiny compared to EVDS…
    2. Cleverly looks good offensively with some *clever* passing and movement. Decent corners too.
    3. Berba is a genius! His vision is among the best in the game (i.e. Xavi) unfortunately, we are the pigs that get his pearls :D
    4. Welbeck looks good and had a nice turn / dribble
    5. It is a friendly, so judging their performance is rather vacuous.
    8) 8) 8)

  • roon is the man and ref could have given a red to the goalie.

  • the fire look like they are fighting relegation. good for them

  • Before kick off on MUTV a Father and son were interviewed. The father was a Fire fan and the son was United. Anyway, the conversation ended like this…..

    INTERVIEWER: So? What about the result tonight?
    DAD: Erm I think it’ll be something like 3 to 1, Man U.
    INTERVIEWER: And what about you?
    SON: Yeah I agree, it’ll probably be 3 to 1 Man u.

    There’s me letting out a chuckle! ‘Probably’ 3 to 1. Well it ‘Probably’ won’t be 3-1 will it?! I mean if you said “I think it ‘might’ be 3 to 1″ ok but PROBABLY??

    If only we could all predict the score as probably….we’d be rich men!

  • Hey Canadian!! STAY AWAY from Football Manager will U?!

  • what did you all think of the back four of Evans, Rio, Jones/Vidic, and Smalling?

    I like the idea. it would be fantastic if SAF would consider playing a 3-4-3 (with the “4-3″ being any combination of 2-3-2, 3-2-2, 1-3-2-1 etc, with a combination of the afore mentioned CBs playing in the back,

    a Smalling-Vidic-Jones back 3 would be quick and strong enough to deal with most threats in the EPL, and it would lead to a more attacking brand of football.

    another statment for thought that may or may not be related to a back 3: Rio would make a pretty decent holding midfielder

    thoughts?

  • tonymontanna4united

    “We are always looking for good quality players, we started the season with the players we have and I am satisfied with that. We are not looking at the moment but we are looking at combinations of central midfielders now at the club.”
    Fergie regarding our central midfield and transfer plans.

    So what to make of this. Is it mind games in an attempt to get clubs to lower their asking prices, players to lower their wage demands?
    If we are done with our business for the summer why not rule out any activity entirely, rather than imply were not looking AT THE MINUTE? Just what the fuck are we looking at, combinations within our midfield? Combinations between whom?
    Seems a pretty weird statement to me, where he neither rules anything out nor makes our were actively looking for someone. As time goes by i get the feeling this is just the ozil situation all over again, whereby we get our hopes up were still looking at someone before we hear a definitive “were done” from the manager.
    Such a fucking let down if we leave things be, arguably we go into the new season weaker than we were last, and we were hardly inspiring then.
    We really need to get our arse into gear. What more do we need for fergie to see this midfield is pedestrian, and in need of a major overhaul (will be 4 years without any new additions if nothing is done this summer). Is an overweight brazilian, a 38 year old former winger, an inconsistent geordie, a virus stricken underweight scot, and an untested kid, really what we settle for nowadays?

    • We bring in Jones and Young, and we’re worse off because Scholes retired?

      you must be joking.

      we may not be much better than last year, but we are in no way worse than we were at the start of the previous season

      • tonymontanna4united

        Im just thinking of the experience and characters weve lost in the summer, and the fact that despite scholesy being off form for long periods of last season, he was still one of our top 3 performers between august and xmas.
        Dont get me wrong, it was the right decision for him to retire, i just think despite his age and his 2nd half season showing, he will be a big big miss, as will brown, vds and o’shea (even though i never really rated the latter).
        I agree jones and in particular, young, are good signings, but bearing in mind what ive said above, then yes mate, i think were probably worse, or atleast, no better than we were this time last summer unfortunately.

        • [OPTI]Madschester United

          how many games did Scholes, Brown, and O’Shea play last season?

          Scholes = 33 games, 1 goal , 4 assists
          Wes Brown = 12 games, 1 goal
          O’Shea = 30 games, 0 goals, 3 assists

          Young [Villa]= 39 games, 9 goals, 15 assists
          Cleverly [Wigan] = 25 games, 4 goals (year before that, he was player of the season for Watford)
          Jones [Blackburn] =24 games, 2 goals (and generally played really well)
          —————-
          Besides Scholes’ good first two months, he did not play that well and was often found a step or two behind the pace of the game.

          Wes Brown was rather shocking all season and injury prone. Not really needed.

          O’Shea was versatile and consistently average – we will miss his versatility but surely not irreplaceable.
          ————-
          Jones should replace Hargo/O’Shea.

          I have a feeling Valencia will feature a couple times as RB this season. Young will allow Nani to become favored RM, while Young raids from the left.

          Cleverly has question marks hanging over his head, but I can see him better Scholes’ stats from last season if he plays half as many games.

          I would like ONE midfield signing (young with solid potential) but have cooled to the idea of a Sneijder-fix-it-all…
          —-

          I will stay OPTImistic and I truly believe United (and Fergie) will come out better this season, even in the sore midfield…. will be an excellent season for United fans, I think.

        • tonymontanna4united

          There are players to step up in the other areas, of that i have doubt, i just worry with the midfield. Cleverley has a lot of good things about him and i am looking forward to seeing what he can do, but he is not someone we should be expecting great things from.
          Jones and young i agree do both look very very promising, and young especially, i think will go on to have a very good debut season. I just worry about the goalkeeper situation, where promising as de gea may be, he is still weaker than edwin, and the midfield again, where i see too many holes that are growing bigger each year.
          You simply cant allow a part of a team to grow stale, and that CM is past stale right now, its years past its sell by date.
          We need real quality to shore up those holes, and cleverley just aint gonna do it.
          De gea will take time, evra needs to regain his form, and fast, smalling/jones need to consistantly step up in rios absence (smalling did that pretty well last season, but evans was the same until his 2nd season) and someone, anyone, needs to step up and fill that bloody great hole that is known as our central midfield.
          So theres alot riding on this season id say. Weve got an extremely tough start aswell our first 10 games, so we really need to shoot out of the starting blocks and gain an advantage on our rivals.
          And im sorry to say, a midfield that consists of anderson and carrick, with giggs and cleverley in reserve, just doesnt fill me full of confidence.
          Fergie could well just be bullshitting us with what hes said, but hes said the last 2 years weve been done and it proved to be the case. I really hope someone does pop up though, as i just think if were leaving things as they are, it is a decision we will end up regretting.
          Call me negative, but this was going to be a tough season to begin with, so going into it as we are now just seems like a risk too far.

        • [OPTI]Madschester United

          I hear you, but I think fletcher, anderson, and cleverly will step up this season. Giggs will be a bit-part player and Carrick should be able to maintain his form from last 6 months.

          Carrick-Fletcher
          Carrick-Cleverly
          Fletcher-Anderson
          Fletcher-Cleverly
          Carrick-Anderson

          Are not TERRIBLE (by any standard) choices. At worst two of Fletcher-Anderson-Cleverly (F-A-C) should improve by quite a bit and the third wheel will be sold…

          Of course, this is just conjecture and hopes… hopefully, I am right :)

        • [OPTI]Madschester United

          Also, Pogba could emerge as a starlet this year… there are many unknowns (as always) but most of our players are young, have potential, and now they will be tested and given games.

          At least the last part is worth looking forward to: swim or drown. I am sure Fergie will make united FLY! :D

        • tonymontanna4united

          I just think its asking alot to expect this current midfield to do the business. Carrick was impressive his last 3/4 months of the season, but that doesnt account for where he was the first 6 months of the season, nor the season before that, where he was pretty dire for the entire year. Too streaky for my liking, far too big a wimp, and an awful dawdler on the ball when put under pressure.
          Ando is overweight and his injury record is hardly great, hes also incredibly lazy from what i can tell and hear about him, and far too inconsistent.
          Saying that, he had a period of 3/4 games where he looked the business around november time and towards the end of the season, but its too much expecting him to replicate that over a 38 game season.
          Giggs seems to keep defying his age, but at the end of the day he is still a 38 year old winger turned midfielder, and that in itself shows just how desperate we are for some fresh blood.
          Cleverley i think has alot of attributes, but i think he’ll take on the o’shea mantle and become the new mr versatile if im honest, as from what ive seen i dont think hes good enough to be a starter.
          Pogba is someone i am excited about, and someone i hope gets a large number of games this season. Hell i know people say hes not ready yet, and i happen to agree with that somewhat, but id rather throw him into the action and see how he handles it. Better than leaving him in the reserves where he starts to stagnate as the reserve level of football gets too easy for him. Morrison likewise.
          So thats my views regarding our midfield. Honestly if i was up to me (yes i know im not the manager, just expressing my opinion) id have done away with half of our current midfielders after our annihilation to barca the first time round. Carrick, anderson and to a lesser extent giggs, have all had their times and it now needs to be about their replacements.
          Thats why id be 100% behind giving players like pogba, tunnicliffe, morrison and cleverley their chances, as we really do need something new and fresh in that midfield as its been left completely unchanged for 4 years now.
          What sort of message does that then send out to players like anderson and carrick? That they have no competition so they can play as badly as they like and still probably expect to keep their place.
          It really is in a major state of surgery. So whether we buy someone or give time to some of the youngsters, at the end of the day, some major changes are needed.
          Thats what i feel anyway. Yes we can point to the PL last season and our run to the CL final which was impressive considering the squad we possessed, but i still think its important to never stand still. To always look to improve in areas that need it.
          If barca are ready to add to their already impressive midfield of xavi, iniesta, biscuits, mascherano and keita, with a world star like fabregas, then what does that say about us, when were still happy to persist with giggs, carrick and anderson?
          Just feel its a decision were going to end up regretting if we leave things be.

        • [OPTI]Madschester United

          Why the obsession about Barca? They are a short-term unique football heaven, blessed with Xavi and Iniesta, who are getting old… they have NO ONE that can replace these two (and NO ONE in Spain that are near their level). Barca are amazing now, but they will come back to reality as Xavi and Iniesta ages (which is certain). Xavi and Iniesta are the worlds best midfielders by far (hence, Spain eased to WC glory last summer) and they cannot be repeated… we need to look at 10 years down the road, not 3-4 years which is what a Barca comparison gives us.

        • tonymontanna4united

          Obsession? Hardly an obsession mate, im simply using them as the example here, as they have set the standard. They are the best in the land, the team who took our tag as being top of the tree. You have to compare yourself and analyse the oppositions game if you want to overcome them, and that is simply what im doing here.
          Merely explaining that if the best in the land are still looking to improve on their side, then who are we to stand still and rest on our laurels on a part of our team that is quite frankly embarassing.
          If that makes me barca obsessed then so be it, but id hazard a guess every side and fan in europe is thinking of ways to beat them, who they would like their teams to buy etc.
          Yes they are a freak of nature and one of the best in the world, but it has never been in this clubs nature to shirk away from a challenge, to settle for 2nd best.
          And unfortunately thats exactly what i feel we are settling for, so unfortunately all things barca will probably dominate most manchester united discussions im afraid.

        • tonymontanna4united

          Just to add, i get that we need to look to the future and what we do in the long term, which is why ive called for the likes of pogba, tunnicliffe and morrison to get their chance. The problem i have is we seem reluctant to even start blooding them in, so were still relying on giggs to do the business most weeks.
          Like wilshere, fabio, rafael and evans, sometimes its best to throw players in at the deep, but behind carrick, anderson, giggs, fletcher and cleverley, i dont think any of them are going to get to amount of football they need or deserve.

        • [OPTI]Madschester United

          Totally agree with the last post of your!

        • I totally agree with that. We need to ceetainly have a look at certainly Pogba and Morrison, I have not seen enough in Welbeck that sugguests he will make it with us and Cleverley hardly set the World alight at Wigan. The midfield is not good enough in its current sate. If we go into tje season as we are, for me we are no stronger than we we were last season. De Gea is not VDS, he may be one day, Jones is hardly going to get many games and Young for me is no better than Nani and Vally.

  • We desperately need a new artcile, or a new thread. Let’s move to the Fantasy League thread and ongo discussions there.

  • The last two comments are starting to bug me. They were posted days ago so why are they the most recent?????????

    Anyway tony makes a lot of sense.

    Why are we suddenly trying to make out Jones is the answer to our midfield problems? The guy did a decent job in Blackburn’s defense but he is fairly unproven as a defensive midfielder and there is a difference between seeming composed on the ball as a defender and being composed on the ball as a midfielder. Otherwise we’d have moved Rio into midfield ages ago.

    Pogba is an interesting prospect but I highly doubt he’ll be playing much next year. I’d imagine he’d go on loan first or get a season in the Carling Cup or whatever. Even players like Beckham and Scholes didn’t break into the team before their 20s.

    Agree that Anderson despite always managing to have a few good games each season has yet to show any real consistency and gets injured almost every season. Not really the sort of qualities you want.

    Fletcher is the smartest of our midfielder always managing to be either injured or suspended whenever we face Barcelona. But do I think he would have made a significant difference in either final? Not really. He can do a good job in the Premiership where ball retention is not so important. But I can guarantee even if he won the ball of Xavi or Iniesta he’d give it straight back to them. He is one of the worst when it comes to giving the ball away.

    As for Carrick it seems every season it is the same. Very average until the New Year. Improves second half of the season. Then flops against Barcelona.

  • Oh the horror :cry: :cry: :cry:

    Strong scenes, really made me shiver. And this is probably the lightest version I have read…

    • wow… unbelievable… i love how peaceful this guy is in the end of the article. dont think i could be the same if it were to happen to me and my ethos. like ghandi, MLK jr., Dali Lama. but he is right. thanks for shearing. our thoughts are with you and yours

  • To Eddie and the other Norwegians on this blog my heart goes out to you and your Nation.

  • hey fellas..Groggy and RedTan, I for one really hope the 2 of you kiss and make up. But with the 2 of you going at each other – makes this blog come back alive i feel…lol.

    Groggy, yes our MF sure needs some shoring up. But Young, Jones and De Gea are awesome signings! (of course, noting the kind of mezzanine debt the club has to shoulder)

    1. VDS is gone and De Gea is perfect
    as hes great as he is right now (but definitely not VDS standards yet) -important thing is hes young and has great potential. I am sure he will improve fast.

    2. Ashley Young
    -quality player. I think we signed him because he is English, of a relatively good age and approaching his peak -more importantly he is available at the right price due to his contract running down!!! (in comparison to what other English players cost – think andy carrol) And one must not forget, Giggsey isnt a winger anymore and we are looking at maybe 1 last season from him :cry: .

    3. Phil Jones
    - Top young English player again. Although he may not be what we desperately need at the moment, but we needed to snap him up before others come in for him. And its a good thing he can train with Rio and Vida. Plus, looking at the number of games he was available, Rio will not be able to last many consecutive games. And if Vida is also out we would have some problem. Smalling is good cover but judging by young Jonny Evan’s performance in the last 2 seasons, he may not turn out to be the player we all hoped he would.

    ……….THUS, I feel the 3 signings so far are essential. Over the years, Fergie’s style is always to have a solid backline (or at least a solid centre back pairing). And now he has that taken care of for at least the next couple of years.

    And because of Scholesy’s retirement, yes, I agree we need at least 1 more CM. But we really need to see if the right player was available at the right price and at the right time! (its hard)

    For Sneijder’s case, yes, I would definitely want him in a United shirt. World class. But if the player’s wage demand is going to tip the balance (in wage structure- or the rest of the players demanding even more) within the club, I would rather not take that risk. If Gill-Inter-Sneijder can work something out, great. If not, its fine. Perhaps, Fergie is biding time for the likes of Pogba and co. to step up. Or who knows if Cleverly may indeed be the answer? (some of us still hope so. Nothing better than having someone rise up within the ranks). Or perhaps our beloved crazy-dancing Samba star can finally step up to fulfill his potential…

    Just curious, Groggy, how familiar are you with the current crop of young players at the academy/reserve. (Pogba, Ravel, the Keane brothers and the rest) I think some are of good value to rise up in the near future. Whats your take on them? I mean it seems always so doom and gloom for you. But I do think Fergie has something up his sleeves. Its not possible for Fergie to sit still, look at our MF deteriorate and do nothing about it for the past 3 years as you mentioned.

    But the way, Evra isn’t the best defensively, agreed. But every player makes mistakes. And he needs to be more consistent. I feel he does well coming forward and whenever I watched him, he seems to work extremely hard for the team. If you have the time, or even bother, please show me some games where he is extremely shite.

  • i read this week that saf was quoted saying roony is not scholes replacement but i have no problem with him in a deeper lying pos. i would like to see him the center of the midfield 3 with berba and chicha ahead of him and one of fletch,carrick, or jones(???maybe) behind him.

    raph rio vida evra/fab
    fletch
    nani roony young
    chicha berba

    diamond midfield maybe. and this formation is just for routing lesser teams or chasing a game. against top half prem teams and europe something like your formation would be required.

  • Jee, you know I have said that many times in the past also. Or was that me being negative? Go back into the archives and you will find the posts where I likened Rooney to Scholes in skill set and how I felt he could play that role. But then again I am pathetic and full of shit. :roll:

  • Now I never said you were full of shit now did I Goggy and I am hardly going to view 5 years of posts to see if I am going to say some thing you had said.

    Another poster raised the point they did not think Rooney had the defensive ability to handle playing in a midfield role. Personally I think he could do it, what do you think or are you going to go all kevin keagen on me again

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXpUdBlRZe8

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