Mar 27
International roundup and a link fest
The distraction that was the international break is over and, hopefully, there aren’t any injury worries. I must apologise for not giving you your daily fix of United news yesterday, thanks to my laptop’s AC adapter conking out. This post is from a borrowed computer, so I can’t be long. Hence today will be more of a link post. The good part though, will be that I will try to update this post through the day, as and when I gain access to a system for even few minutes.
My brand new AC adapter should be in tomorrow to give a new lease of life to my currently comatose laptop. So regular service should resume by then. So here we go with interesting links for the day:
- Old news, but Anderson is, indeed, loving life at United — in case people were wondering. I couldn’t find links to his performance (for Brazil) yesterday. Anyone who could post something would be greatly commended for their efforts.Update: Some words of praise from Dunga, for Anderson and Pato.
- Rooney remained isolated up top, while Fabio Capello was happy despite defeat to France. Is it a realization that little could be done with a side shorn of anything resembling creativity? Actually, anything other than lumping hopeful balls to players who aren’t known for their heading ability.
- ‘Wounded’ Terry wants armband back — and they say it’s a team game. Update: And as an aside, here’s a good rant on Terry.
- Skipper Neville, in typical Neville style, gives his forthright thoughts on his chances of making it back to the side this season — here’s a hint, it’s not very good.
- Michael Barnes out on month’s loan. [via Ahmed]
- Mikel’s documents found to be forged. How does it concern us, you ask? Well, it could force us to pay back some of the £ 12 million back to Chelsea
That’s it for now, I think. Hopefully when I find the time, and a computer, I will add to these links.
Keep checking back and, of course, ranting.
Related items from Red Rants:
- Possebon Loan ‘Cancelled’; Returns to United?
- An Interesting Monday Roundup
- Brief International Roundup + Berbatov’s Fitness Regime
- Quiet Monday Roundup
- Giggs and Brown to Remain Reds | Ex-Reds Clash | Wenger Threat | Takeovers And Other Such Nonsense
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Ian (95)
I really don’t get your remarks Dan. I am a Greek/Canadian who was born in Canada and who supports Germany, Manchester United and Bayern Munich. Am I supposed to be pigeon holed into some stereotypical model of football and racial purity? I am Canadian and my favorite teams are the Canadian “wankers” national side and the Vancouver “bleeping toossers” Whitecaps. Am I supposed to limit my allegiance to one border and one language? Jeez Louise!
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To be fair Grognard, it is fairly typical behaviour (in Europe anyway) to give your national team your allegiance no matter how inept they are. Not to say theres anything wrong with your choices, they just might seem unusual to some.
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done, and match preview will be up tomorrow morning as well (seeing that we have an evening kickoff)
btw, anyone seen this and this? I know we have our problems, but quite often they are nothing compared to what other clubs are going through.
Would you take our debt over Liverpool’s current ownership crisis? Hmmm…
Or you guys could try explaining why Carrick talks so much to the press
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well not to be rude, but i learnt that you support 1 club( and should be your home town but that doesnt really matter) and your country it does not matter how crap your country is you still support them during the highs and lows. there is a term for you grognard and thats glory-hunter, im not saying you are one, but others might.
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[Dan]
That depends mate. What would be a better question is this: If United, by some quirk of fate (heaven forbid), get relegated would Grognard or any of you still support the team. There is nothing wrong in choosing to start supporting a team, but would you continue to support it through the worst of times? That’s the question. And it is a valid question to ask a fan. Just like fans expect commitment from players shouldn’t a fan reciprocate a similar emotion?
What do you think, Grognard?
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i would be extremely pissed and would be screaming swear words for days, but yes i would scrape through and still support them. Touch wood.
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Again, there is not compulsion that one must support one’s own country’s sport team, although more often than not, one tends to emotionally connect with one’s country. It’s in the mental make up. It is however all upto the individual to choose to support his team. That said, one can’t expect another person to support his own country and take the moral high ground.
A fan can even change allegiances to which team he supports — after all it’s his own free will — but that would call into question his own opinions he forms on the game because they may lose credibility in front of other fellow fans. Because if he changes teams like he changes his clothes, he’s really not too passionate about the game.
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Grognard, I don’t want a full scale fight with you mate, but my aunt lived in Germany for two years, and we all spent quite a bit of time visiting there. We always teased the Germans about being sour-krauts, and nobody was offended. I suppose it depends on the spirit you say things. As for going about decking people for saying something you believe is racist or offensive, you will be decking a lot of people mate!. You DID say it was politically incorrect calling somebody a kraut, but hey I’m tired of this whole thing now. So say what you like, and think what you like about it, you won’t be getting and further response from me.
Come on England, remember the 3 Lions on your shirt, and get roaring. We are with you all the way, well some of us anyway.
Ahmed, sorry mate, I am glad of any new threads you put up – thank you.
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Craig; I’ve got no problem with you mate. so just relax OK. Nobody is going to be decking anybody. And yes it does depend on the spirit that one says things. However, that does not always come through online, now does it? Still, no hard feelings and lets just forget about the misunderstanding.
As for you Dan; your post #54 bloody well offends me greatly mate and you should know better. Red Ranter put it best so I will leave it at that. Still, you have a real attitude and way of thinking which you feel others are obligated to conform to. I may be opinionated but I do not ever bully people into feeling that it is my way or the highway. I’ll just debate them. You hit on very personal and unnecessary areas and it was way out of line. I especially don’t limit my allegiance to my original surroundings as that is a very narrow and unworldly view of things. It’s being narrow minded and territorial. I’m Canadian and we generally don’t think that way, unless we talk about hockey. So that is our cross to bare.
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[Grognard]
But how about the answer to the question? Let me put it to you again: Since you are a self professed elitist as far as sport goes, if United were to be relegated or say finish outside the top four (or midtable) would you turn your back on them and head over to some other side?
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oh come on, i say my opinion and im bullying you? wow. you put your views across and you dont care because its “my opinion” so it entitles you to say anything but when i put my view across(and a fair view at that) im bullying you. im sorry but i cant see you supporting united if we got relegated at all which in my opinion(sounds doesn’t it?) does not make you a proper through and through fan, i mean if you cant support your own country because there crap, how are you going to face the embarrassment alone of being relegated or mid tabled? Do not say im bullying you or trying to be rude or im out of line. because its “my opinion”
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this whole debate about whether one should support a local team or not is pointless. For starters, it assumes that football is by definition territorial, which is a bit like saying that you should only eat what they serve in the shitty restaurant down the street and not go out to a better place that’s a couple of blocks away.
Territorialism imposes unnecessary restrictions and an artificial divide between fans of a same team. It’s a divisive tactic used to create the same type of arguments that we’re getting here.
Get over it. You don’t only become fans because you grow up with a team. If there’s no football team around you, you end up following someone else.
oh, and Dan…
im sorry but i cant see you supporting united if we got relegated at all which in my opinion(sounds doesn’t it?) does not make you a proper through and through fan, i mean if you cant support your own country because there crap, how are you going to face the embarrassment alone of being relegated or mid tabled?
That doesn’t make sense. The first part is fine, but that’s your opinion, and probably wrong (but Grog can confirm that, so let’s leave that bit to him). The second part is ridiculous though, and I’m assuming that’s your supporting argument.
You are assuming that nationalism is equal to being a true fan – again, the whole territorial thing again. Historically, nationalism / territorialism has been used by politicians to create social divides and muster people for war. The social bonds build through ideology (religion, freedom of speech, etc etc) and bonds build through community (tribal bonds) are far older and often stronger than contrived territorial bonds.
Grog could hold United closer to his heart than he holds the Canadian football team, and that attachment alone will see him follow through the hard times as well as rejoice in the good times.
There’s more to life than just living in the same town as your favourite club, you know.
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Thank you Ahmed. Very well said.
Red Ranter, I will always be a fan of Manchester United, Bayern Munich and Germany, even if they all hit rock bottom. Fortunately they all are very strong organizations so I can’t sse that happening in my lifetime, but you never know. Football allegiance for me is not the flavor of the day thing.
As for Canada, they have never really been on the football map and are well below even being referred to even as a minnow. As far as footy goes, they are irrelevant. Besides, Canada doesn’t care about football unless it’s Canadian or American. Hockey is the sport of passion here and that is the sport that brings out the nutters who play the patriot card and rant on about territorial rubbish and just voice their bitter and angry words at those who don’t want to hear them. Know anyone by that on this site? I could name a few.
As for Dan the Man; you have issues mate. I may be a bit of shit disturber but you are just blatantly abrasive and rude. In the past I have read your posts and agreed numerous times with your views. Yet you will take every chance to let me have it about mine. That’s fine but I also think there is obviously something about, where I’m’ from, what I like etc, that pisses you right off. The fact is you can’t formulate a thought or articulate an argument with me or others without sounding like a bloody hooligan whose drunk at the neighborhood pub.
Sorry Red Ranter but this needs to be said. Yes you are a bully. Not to me but to others on this site. Quite often you make solid points but then they are followed with asinine rude remarks just to make the impact a little bit stronger. GROW UP and stop lashing out like a school boy denied his toys. Eat some ethnic food once in a while and also take a trip and visit a place thats farther than your local pub. You might actually see and learn something different. Perhaps this comes as a bit harsh and I’M VERY SORRY that I’m off the topic of football, but this site would be more interesting if some of the posters didn’t call others names, stereotype them and pigeonhole them into categories for their own comfort and amusement. And to steal a quote from a movie I love, “Now how do you like them apples?”
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not to mention that it (this love-fest between passionate readers who forget that they’re on the same side) turns off the less regular readers and prevents them from becoming a part of the club (notice how everyone backs off when this type of conversation starts)…
match preview coming in a bit, hold your horses till then guys
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Just about the kind of intelligent remarks I expected. I’ll say theis much for you Dan, at least you are predictably consistent. WOW! Now go back to your crib asnd play with your rattle and blanky.
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