Apr 25
Man Utd v Spurs match thread
Didn’t have the soundest of sleep. So I’m in no position to write a preview. But please, do feel free to continue match discussion here so that the previous thread doesn’t go slow.
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Tags: Game Preview
April 25th, 2009 at 15:53
Liverpool take the lead on the stroke of half time. Looks like we won’t get any favours from Hull today.
April 25th, 2009 at 15:58
Wasn’t even a foul – Mascherano tripped himself up.
April 25th, 2009 at 16:04
And referring to the Kaka discussion on the last thread, I think Kaka would do very well in a United shirt, but will not be able to fully compensate the loss of Ronaldo. Ronaldo is younger, faster, has much better skill on the ball at pace, and can be dangerous from any set piece consistently. Kaka has been off the pace this season at Milan, haven’t heard about any ravings over the lad changing games, only about a certain Beckham transfer saga.
I hear that Ronaldo is leaving for 75 million? What will Kaka cost? If he costs anywhere near that figure as Milan seem to propose, I say bollocks. If we ever sell the world’ best player, come on lads, let’s make a profit, and a big, good one. Imagine if we didn’t lose Ronaldo and Berbatov finally gives us what we paid him for, our team would be one of the best assembled sides that will definately go down in history as the most individually skilled. Kaka would be a direct replacement for Scholes, and I would really fancy his craft and tact over the bloodhound-like movements of Anderson. A midfield of Giggs/Nani, Hargreaves, Kaka, and Ronaldo….wow. However, if Hargreaves remains fit, I actually think a more worthwhile investment would be Ribery, rather than stocking up on the already large list of midfielders, of which Carrick and Hargo would be in my starting XI.
April 25th, 2009 at 16:10
Reeeeeeeebereeeeeee!
April 25th, 2009 at 16:11
@Jon: Kaka is injury prone and for me he has always lacked drive and determination. Maybe he has found too much peace in his Christian beliefs which is fine and all, but I think it makes him soft. You have to be more like Ronaldo and have a driving force and ego to succeed to be the world’s best. Mr Kaka just lacks that and I think if he came to United he would be a major flop and spend most of his time injured. Just the kind of feeling I get from the lad. No, for me only one man can adequately replace Ronaldo and that’s Messi. And we won’t be getting him. So we better try our damnedest to hold on to Ronaldo. I personally do not believe Ronny is going anywhere.
April 25th, 2009 at 16:12
Prediction today, Tottenham 1 Man Utd 2. A tough game but we will squeak by. I am hoping Berbatov plays and has a big game.
April 25th, 2009 at 16:17
Kaka must be the most overrated player in the planet. Heck even Ibrahimobvic is much better than him. I fear Ferguson may be struck with his usual bug of falling in love with one player when he plays well against us on a single occasion.
Surely Ribery with his current discontentment can be available for more or less the same price, or if need be even 10 million more… I see Kaka getting owned by the roughness of Premier league football.
April 25th, 2009 at 16:27
Scouse have bought the referee, thats for sure!
April 25th, 2009 at 16:29
How many red cards have been given against liverpool compared to the rest of the top 4?
Also, how many disallowed goals?
April 25th, 2009 at 16:30
Man Utd supporters are in no position to complain about dodgy referee decisions!
April 25th, 2009 at 16:35
1-2, come on the ten men of Hull!
April 25th, 2009 at 16:37
@name: Go fuck off to liverpool you dick!
April 25th, 2009 at 16:39
@name: Who the hell are you, go to your own blog, scum.
April 25th, 2009 at 16:41
@name: Substantiate that!
Having problems with that word? Get an adult to help you out…..
April 25th, 2009 at 16:41
@name:
Get the hell out you scouse git
April 25th, 2009 at 16:47
Scouse are very nervy! They look rattled!
April 25th, 2009 at 16:47
Come on Hull, im praying for a manucho last minute goal
April 25th, 2009 at 16:48
Van der Sar, Rafael Da Silva, Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra, Ronaldo, Carrick, Fletcher, Nani, Berbatov, Rooney
Subs: Foster, Anderson, Scholes, O’Shea, Evans, Tevez, Macheda
April 25th, 2009 at 16:48
Any team news pls?
April 25th, 2009 at 16:49
@Dan: Thanks Dan
April 25th, 2009 at 16:49
Yippe, more of berba playing off rooney
when will fergie learn! rooney off berba, not the other way around!
April 25th, 2009 at 16:50
Liverpool 3 hull 1
April 25th, 2009 at 16:53
Hopefully Evra and Nani have a good game, I’m gonna stick my neck out here and say 3-1 to United
April 25th, 2009 at 16:53
Thank God nani starts, i was getting so sick of seeing park play there like a headless chicken. Nani may be frustrating but he is a quality winger and i hope today he shows his class.
3-1 to the scousers by the way, thought it was 2-2 when i heard li tissier scream on SSN but it was just their 3rd goal, damn. Oh well we better not throw points away, lets kill those spurs men. Unfortunately we seem to struggle to redknapps teams for some reason but lets hope we do the business today.
April 25th, 2009 at 16:58
Niceone on the team news Dan. Who’s this Nani fella? Oh yeah I remember now! Tee hee hee, Come on the lads! Will be awesome to see the lil’ man out there again.
April 25th, 2009 at 17:04
@m34ch: thanks
Who is this nani player, honest yo god ive never heard of him
April 25th, 2009 at 17:15
@Dan: Yo never heard of him because he is the INVISIBLE man. I really think it is most bloody unfair to throw him in today, stone cold of match fitness, and so near the end of season
. Will only give the shits on here more ammunition if he is STIFF coming from the STIFFS.
April 25th, 2009 at 17:20
@name: oh fuck off.
April 25th, 2009 at 17:22
I’m feeling abit jittery, and I think I’ll predict a 1-0 win to United. I do hope I’m wrong though! Come on Carrick, give us some of those long rangers again please! And Berba, could you actually please play some football this time?
April 25th, 2009 at 17:27
Prediction:
Man Utd 3-1 Tottenham
Rooney
Berbatov
Ronaldo (pen)
April 25th, 2009 at 17:28
Afternoon everyone!
Any streams?
April 25th, 2009 at 17:28
Dithery, dithery, jelly shaking Evra against sprint mega Lennon – I’m concerned – and more than just SLIGHTLY
.
April 25th, 2009 at 17:30
That’s what i’m fucking talking about fergie! No more of this pragmatic bullshit, it’s about time we went all guns blazing. Let’s just hope the boys don’t let his team selection down.
April 25th, 2009 at 17:30
edwin I´ve got a good stream on TVU channel 21500
April 25th, 2009 at 17:33
@edwin: Try these for links – should all be in-browser:
http://atdhe.net/tv/watch_fox_soccer_channel.html
http://atdhe.net/6577/watch-manchester-united-vs-tottenham
http://www.iraqgoals.net/ch1.html
http://www.iraqgoals.net/ch3.html
April 25th, 2009 at 17:40
@m34ch: Nice one mate
COME ON UNITED!
April 25th, 2009 at 17:41
whoa! did anyone else see that lunge on ronnie?
April 25th, 2009 at 17:43
come on nani, son!
April 25th, 2009 at 17:45
If you can’t watch this game on tv you can try Manchester United vs. Tottenham – live streams, they will be available 5 – 10 minutes before match starts
April 25th, 2009 at 17:51
the team’s tracking back, berba’s first touch is a delight to watch, we’re defending well and releasing the ball quickly
April 25th, 2009 at 17:51
If that was United fans booing Berba?! They should be ashamed, I hope it was the commentator getting it wrong.
April 25th, 2009 at 18:01
@Jon: as a Brasil fan i can tell you, kaka is faster than ronaldo, over 10 yards though, ronaldo is just a bit more explosive than kaka, but trust me, kaka is deceptively fast, VERY fast. I can remember him outpacing ronaldo and evra when he visited old trafford two years ago, and i remember him getting a hat trick over the two legs, one of the best goals kaka scored is when he ran right through the entire argentinian team, i was there too.
April 25th, 2009 at 18:02
fuck, our shaky defence is back 1-0 spurs
April 25th, 2009 at 18:02
shit?
April 25th, 2009 at 18:03
Fuck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We need a response soon, FFS.
Was there a handball there?
April 25th, 2009 at 18:04
no way
is it me, but the moment we drop anderson we conceed two goals
April 25th, 2009 at 18:05
oh my fucking god.
April 25th, 2009 at 18:05
yep, 2-0 down, thanks rio for the first, thanks evra for the 2nd.
I bet the scouse are loving it!
April 25th, 2009 at 18:06
maybe i spoke too soon.
April 25th, 2009 at 18:06
Bollox! This is gonna be really tough! Got to get it sorted! Can we score more than them? mmmmmmmmmm?!
April 25th, 2009 at 18:07
Berbatov- a striker is meant to be inside the fucking area, not outside
Evra- letting a player beat you 9/10 times is unacceptable
April 25th, 2009 at 18:07
da silva at fault for 2nd, stuck in middle
April 25th, 2009 at 18:10
freakin evra’s letting too many good crosses get in. unacceptable.
April 25th, 2009 at 18:10
what a fucking save, typical a shite goalkeeper plays out of his skin against us
April 25th, 2009 at 18:12
The players need to whip up a 2001 Spurs home match style comeback to get out of this mess……
April 25th, 2009 at 18:12
I’ve been saying it for two months that Evra has become a piece of shit. I also have been complaining that our fullbacks play in too much and that they give wingers and opponent fullbacks far too much room on the sides. Corluka kills us by getting all the room and time for the first goal, and Evra fucks up royally on the second one while Rafael is playing too far inside. It’s getting really irritating having to remind all of you that I told you so.
April 25th, 2009 at 18:13
@Mr.Muhozi: word. two top notch saves in succession. wtf?!
April 25th, 2009 at 18:19
@Grognard: heres food for thought, anderson plays three games in a row, we win two and conceed none, the game he gets dropped our midfield and defence is shaky again and we conceed two goals, coincidence i think not
April 25th, 2009 at 18:19
we need to score in first 10 minutes or we won’t win
April 25th, 2009 at 18:19
I can’t believe it. We started off very well and then went back to the way we love doing recently. Spurs look like even scoring a 3rd! I mean, WTF!
April 25th, 2009 at 18:20
Sorry for my language but where the bloody hell is the service from the midfield. HT and we havent even had a goal scoring chance, an absolute bloody disgrace. And when i mention it that we need a new midfielder people are saying no we got giggs, scholes etc. What the hell is wrong with you when you cant see the midfield is terrible. We are getting over run by the spurs midfield plain and simple. As long as we continue to play a defensive partnership of carrick and fletcher that provides absolutely no attacking threat we will continue to struggle i guarantee u of that. Dont be too surprised if we end up winning no more trophies cos the performances this season as a whole have been terrible and no matter how 1-0s we got earlier on can shadow this. Until we buy a genuine world class midfielder we will struggle cos we have this season found out our midfield is made up of over rated average players. Sorry its not the strikers for me, you can see they havent got any service yet, its the midfield and it is in my opinion just bloody crap. Liverpool you probbaly deserve the title and it hurts me to say that.
April 25th, 2009 at 18:22
Sorry but Nani was total shite the first 30 minutes…but he’s looked slightly better since then. Fletcher crap as well..Evra has had some good touches, but not where he’s supposed to be doing the good job! The first goal was slightly fortunate for them, but we’re giving them too much time on the ball. Anderssssssooonnnn….please come on for the second half!!!!
April 25th, 2009 at 18:22
Even Rooney is very subdued tonight, his first touch is woeful, there is none of the drive he normally shows…..wtf is happening to our players???
April 25th, 2009 at 18:23
Evra is a pathetic player if im honest, he needs to be sold. this isnt knee-jerk, hes been poor all season! we need a real finisher IE macheda on, for nani, rooney on the left.
Nani has been playing OK, but he is the only player i would sacrifice.
Also, anderson for carrick or fletcher, does it come as a surprise that when hes left out, we concede 2 goals? not to me it doesnt, ferdinand was asleep, as usual.
So many things to sort our in 45 mins!
April 25th, 2009 at 18:23
Seems to me that everyone is in the disarray already. This is crazy…not sure what else to say. I know Evra is not doing that great, but it’s not only his fault. Lennan is too much for him to handle and he gives him a lot of space. Not sure what is gonna happen to this. I thought that our attacking players were doing fine. Had some promising moments and got some good saves out of Gomez. We have nothing to loose from this point on so we should just go all out
April 25th, 2009 at 18:24
WTF!!! VDS makes Gomes look great! Should have stopped the Modric goal… Shit… And nobody passes the ball to Berba when he is great position and is crying out loud for a pass… Players are looking clueless on the ball…
April 25th, 2009 at 18:24
both nani and evra are getting skinned too easily. while nani definitely gives us another dimension of attack by putting in some good crosses into the box, he needs to stop being such a pussy.
April 25th, 2009 at 18:24
@antsBoy:
I though Nani was decent, put in some good crosses. the blame rests squarely on Carrick and Fletcher, who are offering nothing creatively and are not even playing well defensively. What is the point of picking 2 defensive midfielders if both are not shielding their defenders?????????
April 25th, 2009 at 18:25
Nooooo dont give up yet guys
*bitchslaps the midfield* Wake up!
April 25th, 2009 at 18:26
I’m going to go out and cool off because frankly if many are expecting me to give a heat of the moment tirade, I will not. Nothing i could say or do will make a difference. Fact is I have said what is wrong with this club so many times in the past that I am going blue. United are a disgrace and it still amazes me that going into today we were in first because we do not resemble a champion. No we resemble chumps. No hunger, no desire, no intelligence and above all, no idea. If there is one team I have no confidence in to come from behind, it’s our team. Liverpool falls behind 2-0 they end up winning 4-2. Chelsea fall behind 2-0 they can come back and win 3-2. United get behind 2-0 they will end up losing 3-0 or 3-1. All we are good at doing is front running. Fuck how I have come to despise Patrice Evra and his half assed attempts to mark and tackle.
April 25th, 2009 at 18:26
It’s simple…if we don’t get atleast a draw against this team…I really fear our chances for the title. Every single point is HUGE right now, especially since we’re currently 7 goals behind Liverpool on goal-difference…NO WAY we’re gonna catch them there! It just goes to show how important Benayoun’s injury time equaliser against Arsenal may turn out to be.
April 25th, 2009 at 18:27
I have said before, and I will keep on saying it, our MF are NOT good enough. We are playing two in there without any pace, Carrick and Fletcher. Also Evra has gone so off his game he is a liability. He is no bloody use at all when he is foraging up field, because he CANNOT pass the ball for shit, he always finds an opposition player. And whoever said that we played better in MF with Ando in there, I AGREE. Course Fergie won’t have the gumption to change it until the 70th minute as usual.
April 25th, 2009 at 18:27
@Matt: you wont service? ANDERSON
April 25th, 2009 at 18:27
Annnnn-derrrrrr-son, son, son! Get him on, 45 mins to salvage something.Who knows…he may even score lol.
We need some injection of something though in the middle of the park, thats for sure.
April 25th, 2009 at 18:28
@miele: No I’d rather bitch slap Fergie and Evra@Mr.Muhozi: That just speaks about how useless our midfield is, not that Anderson is any good. Our mi9dfield did not give up those two goals, it’s Evra who is the real culprit here.
April 25th, 2009 at 18:29
@Craig Mc: And you had a right to be.
April 25th, 2009 at 18:29
Some of you guys go into games ready to slam nani. He was far from shit, he was dangerous and sent in good crosses. I don’t give a fuck about what anyone says, I like what I got from nani first half.
April 25th, 2009 at 18:30
@Grognard: Errr WTF Grog, Villa 2-0 then finish United 3-2. Also I don’t agree no hunger, but NO leadership I could agree with. None from Fergie, and definately no captain on the field to give the players a bollocking, especially Evra
.
April 25th, 2009 at 18:30
WHAT THE FUCK!
Fergie takes off nani, good job
Fergie brings on tevez,
April 25th, 2009 at 18:31
@Vivek: Yes he did do a few useful things towards the end of the half..but was taken off the ball very easily so many times before. What’s most frustrating is that he was in a couple of good positions in the half but almost always did the wrong thing…but we’re already used to that by now aren’t we?
April 25th, 2009 at 18:31
Well I have been crying for it for a whole year now so I figure if ever there was a time to bring out the hairdryer, now would be a good time.
April 25th, 2009 at 18:31
@Grognard: funny how evry dangerous spurs attack starts from the gaping wide hole we have at LB. Once again you did try and warn us.
April 25th, 2009 at 18:32
The difference between Evra going forward and Evra tracking back and defending is infuriating – He does not put anywhere near the same amount of effort to close down his attackers on his side than he does in supporting Nani or whoever on the left.
This has been happening for a few games now, at first I thought it was his lack of fitness coming from injury, but when was the last time that he cleared his side in a no-nonsense way a la Denis Irwin? His defending has been poor again and Aaron Lennon is starting to become his nemesis.
Nani to be substituted? I brought penetration in the team. Would be unfair to him.
As for Berbatov, I feel sad for him. Was it our own supporters that were booing him?
April 25th, 2009 at 18:32
@Johnsom33: Aaaah at last, someone who has a fucking pair of eyes
.
April 25th, 2009 at 18:32
@Johnsom33:
Although Nani has been good so far, I feel that this was a game that Park should have started, to protect Patrice “Jelly Legs” Evra against Lennon
April 25th, 2009 at 18:33
@Johnsom33: Hardly, i notices evras shite play all year long, and the last time i said fabio should start i got shot down.
April 25th, 2009 at 18:33
@Johnsom33: I agree, and I think O’Shea would do a better job for us.
April 25th, 2009 at 18:34
If Tevez wanted Fergie to pay 32mil sign him up, what would he have to do?
Simple – Score a second half hat trick, go back into the dressing room then just say..”Where do I have to sign?”
April 25th, 2009 at 18:35
Seriously, who is more likely to score for us, macheda or tevez.
Think about this long and carefully.
April 25th, 2009 at 18:35
45 minutes to save the season as far as im concerned. If we play like this against Arsenal on Weds we will get fucking thrashed! The banana skin of Citeh still to come and of course the Arse in the league. It’s now or never. COME ON UNITED!!!!!!
April 25th, 2009 at 18:36
@Dan: It’s not Nani’s fault for Christ’s sake!
I am so frakken tired of football fans watching games with their two eyes and using their brains and then they come up with a comment like that. Watch the game mate and you will see that our fullbacks, primarily Evra are to blame for everything, even our offensive breakdowns. Two wingers like Nani and Ronaldo should not have to track back if the central midfielders are doing their job and if our fullbacks are doing their job. Nani and Ronaldo are attacking players. They track back only so far or they become totally useless on counters and any kind of attack.
Blame the real culprits here instead of the one that seems quiet. Even Berbatov has been quiet yet has continuously gotten himself in good positions only to not get the ball. The team has no leadership and shit for brains central midfielders.
April 25th, 2009 at 18:38
i don’t understand the substitution at all. i thought nani was decent in the first half – what difference is tevez going bring? why doesn’t fergie see that the problem lies with evra?! this is soooo frustrating!
April 25th, 2009 at 18:38
nice, nani’s confidence plummets ten fold, good job ferige, spend £22m on a player and turn him into a joke
April 25th, 2009 at 18:38
@Dan: Yeah ur right i do want ando on, but we will probably just wait 30mins before doing anything. I just heard we havent come back from 2 down to win for 2 years, thats a disgrace. This game is over people, thats defeatist i know but im telling u theres no way were coming. What a bloody disgraceful performance, the players should go without their wages for this week. Im so bloody angry i just wanna bloody smash the tv. I just cant stand the thought of seeing phelan after the game saying we did well and were unlucky.
April 25th, 2009 at 18:42
@Dan: Tevez. Time for the experienced heads to stand up and be counted. It’s asking too much of Mahceda to get us out of another hole this time around.
April 25th, 2009 at 18:43
and now we don’t have a good corner taker either.
April 25th, 2009 at 18:45
gomez is having a blinder!
April 25th, 2009 at 18:47
tevez is doing pretty well i must say, but berbatov
PENATLY, come on you reds
April 25th, 2009 at 18:48
RONALDO, one down two to go, gomes should be off
April 25th, 2009 at 18:48
when carrick starts going forward, things happen!
April 25th, 2009 at 18:49
Come on boys can we pull this back now 3-2?
April 25th, 2009 at 18:51
please not scholes, we need high tempo, not ball retention
April 25th, 2009 at 18:53
no not scholes!
April 25th, 2009 at 18:55
600 games and scholes still doesn’t know how to tackle
April 25th, 2009 at 18:55
how long has scholes been on the pitch, two fouls and a yellow card, followed by a drop in tempo
April 25th, 2009 at 18:56
berba is horrible. this is the first time i say something like this. i have lost patience.
April 25th, 2009 at 18:57
what formation are we playing? and evra gets skinned yet again.
April 25th, 2009 at 18:57
Lennon 5-0 evra
April 25th, 2009 at 18:58
YEEEEEAAAAAAH! FUCKIN YES!!
April 25th, 2009 at 18:58
ROOOOOOOOOONNNEEEEEYYY, my lord i hate football
April 25th, 2009 at 18:59
ROONEY!!! Apologise for the caps.
April 25th, 2009 at 18:59
WE’LL NEVER DIE, WE’LL NEVER DIE!!!!!!!!!!
April 25th, 2009 at 19:00
RONALDO YEEEEEEEEEEEESS!
April 25th, 2009 at 19:00
berba, to tevez, rooney for the second.
ronaldo for the 3rd, i think we’ve cracked it lads!
April 25th, 2009 at 19:00
Ronaldo!!!!
April 25th, 2009 at 19:00
@Mr.Muhozi: i fucking hate it!
April 25th, 2009 at 19:01
COME ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!
April 25th, 2009 at 19:01
yessssss! have you seen the white pele?
April 25th, 2009 at 19:02
4-0
YES!
April 25th, 2009 at 19:02
roooooneey 4-2
football, bloody hell
im of to watch this on my 42″ downstairs
April 25th, 2009 at 19:02
ROONEY AGAIN!!!!!
rafa off, john on, should havve been evra off!
April 25th, 2009 at 19:02
4-2
YES!
April 25th, 2009 at 19:04
if there’s any reason why we are UNITED supporters… THIS IS IT!!!
April 25th, 2009 at 19:04
rooney, on the left, ronaldo on the right, berba and tevez upfront, barca, move aside, we’re coming for ya!
April 25th, 2009 at 19:05
We Want Fucking Five!
April 25th, 2009 at 19:08
That is a message to the doubters of Wayne Rooney. four goals, all with his name on it. He might not have scored all 4 like Arshavin, but I would take Rooney over the Russian magician any day of the week! Let’s get a 5th and kill the game for good.
April 25th, 2009 at 19:09
Go on Berba! Get a fucking goal!
April 25th, 2009 at 19:09
lets get that goal difference sorted out- united united!
April 25th, 2009 at 19:10
We WANT SIX!!!!!
BERBATOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV
April 25th, 2009 at 19:10
BERBATOV!
FUCKING YEEEEEEEEEES!
April 25th, 2009 at 19:10
Whoever this Scottish bloke co-commentating on Setanta is needs to shut the fuck up!!
Berbatov! At last! Let’s hope those disgraceful boo-boys shut up.
April 25th, 2009 at 19:11
Berba!!!!!!!
April 25th, 2009 at 19:11
get in berba!
theres that goal diff
April 25th, 2009 at 19:12
rooney is destroying the left!!!!
April 25th, 2009 at 19:12
Come on boys, lets ‘ave a fuckin party! Score some more!
April 25th, 2009 at 19:13
This site makes me laugh, people love to moan at players and bitch and whine when we lose. Lets hear a word for the lads this half including berba who has been great and has now got a goal.
April 25th, 2009 at 19:13
berbatov has been FUCKIN immense.
April 25th, 2009 at 19:13
fab four at work. loving it!
April 25th, 2009 at 19:14
CMON TEVEZ! SCORE A BRACE!
April 25th, 2009 at 19:15
@Grognard: Grognard you were saying?? Surely you know better than to write off UNITED of all teams!!!
April 25th, 2009 at 19:16
@Grognard:
April 25th, 2009 at 19:18
FUCK ME LET’S HOPE THIS ENDS ALL THE TENSE ONE-NILS. 5 GOALS IN HALF AN HOUR – JUST WHAT THE DOCTOR ORDERED.
April 25th, 2009 at 19:19
Sign tevez the fuck up. Gave us the energy we needed.
April 25th, 2009 at 19:19
@themec: Exactly mate!
April 25th, 2009 at 19:20
tevez and scholes turned this game around. they brought stability to what was shambles, especially in our midfield. and rooney – how immense has he been?
April 25th, 2009 at 19:21
Bloody hell. The one time I decide not to bother dragging my ass to the nearest pub with Setanta and this happens! I cannot wait to watch the highlights!!!!!!!!
But to come back from 2-0 down at half time and score five and counting in the second half….well that is pretty damn inspiring.
April 25th, 2009 at 19:21
if fergie doesnt name this team(with rafa at right back and oshea at left) i will personaly shoot him lol! we have discovered the movement of last year!
Berba has been immense!
April 25th, 2009 at 19:25
Perhaps a bit premature, but a front four of Berba-Rooney-Tevez-Ronaldo has been dynamite and is perhaps this side’s best chance of a dynamic attacking formation.
April 25th, 2009 at 19:25
FT.
Response of Champions. Well played lads,well played Sir Alex. inspiring performance. 2nd Half was fuckin brilliant.
What do you have to say for yourself FSW!
April 25th, 2009 at 19:26
WHY DO SETANTA KEEP BANGING ON ABOUT THE DUBIOUS PENALTY?!! WE SCORED 4 MORE AFTER THAT SO SHUT THE FUCK UP SCOUSE FANS!!!!!!!
April 25th, 2009 at 19:27
@Dan: he was nowhere until the 4th went in
How people can be praising Berbatov when Rooney singlehandedly carried the team to victory after the peno I’ll never know.
April 25th, 2009 at 19:27
@themec: +1
April 25th, 2009 at 19:27
What a rush, after the dismay of the first half! Tevez!!!!
April 25th, 2009 at 19:28
I just wish we hadn’t got back in the game by a controversial penalty which wasn’t a penalty though, because we will never hear the last of that, the media hype over that penalty is already in full hatred mode
. I still think we would have won though, but the goal from the penalty changed the atmosphere from tepid to FUCKING WHITE HOT SCORCHING LOUD 
.
April 25th, 2009 at 19:28
this was incredible. i dont see where berba was immense till AFTER we got the lead. but anyway, doesnt matter now!!!!!!!!
April 25th, 2009 at 19:29
Why do we have to be 2 goals down for us to play like that. We cant we start the bloody game like that, and do that every bloody week. That kind of football made barcas stuff look like crap. It was just brilliant to watch but why dont we just start like that. Who bets we start against middlesbrough how we did in the 1st half here.
April 25th, 2009 at 19:29
I should buy a new shirt more often, the missus spilt bleach over my stalwart vodafone 3rd kit so decided it was time for a replacement and what happens we get 5, anyone want to chip in and fund me for a new shirt every week??
and in the words of Fergie… “Football, Bloody Hell”
April 25th, 2009 at 19:29
Wow….thats all I can say. I did mention earlier that a 2001 Spurs style would be required, and thats exactly what we got. We were absolutely irresistible in the 2nd half, could have scored 10…..Every player stepped up, and played to their abilities. Simply sensational
April 25th, 2009 at 19:30
@Liam: Some people never learn
you cant even give him credit, this was his best performance of the season!
April 25th, 2009 at 19:30
United!!! What a game, thats the United I know and love! Rooney; take a bow son, great performance lad.
April 25th, 2009 at 19:30
and to think I predicted a 1-0……
April 25th, 2009 at 19:31
On another note, maybe fergie has solved the berba corundum. In the 2nd half, we were almost playing a 4-2-1-3 with Berba as the AMF, Rooney and Ronaldo wide and Tevez thru the center and it seemed to work…something to think about
April 25th, 2009 at 19:31
bring on Arsenal! What an atmosphere…if the crowd gets this going on Wed night, we could have a real classic going on!
April 25th, 2009 at 19:32
Well all I can say is that this was a Susan Boyle moment and I feel like Simon Cowell.
I said the hairdryer should come out but before that penalty was given, it didn’t look like any halftime talk had done anything for the club. Simply put the team owes one individual for this incredible comeback and second half. WAYNE ROONEY. Today Wayne Rooney stood up and became not only a man, but the leader this team has been crying out for for so long. Today he made a claim for the captaincy with what I feel was his most inspirational performance since his first game against Fenerbahce. Today he he showed the leadership by example that the club so needed. We needed somebody to stand up and wake up and start shouting and showing passion.
Correct me if I’m wrong but he had a play in all five goals and that alone speaks volumes of how truly immense he was. A captain defining moment. Sorry Rio but that boy deserves the captaincy because he was able to wake the entire squad up by upping his intensity and desire and by delivering with 2 goals and two assists as well as being the man who laid off the pass that led to the penalty. Truly fantastic.
And I don’t know who that muppet was that was the color man on the Setanta commentating team but he is a fucking idiot. How many times did they show the replay of that penalty call? And every time it shows Carrick making contact with the ball and then getting fouled. Clearly a PENALTY. I am not being biased here, I just honestly cannot see why Spurs were bitching? Carrick gets the ball and the Gomez fouls him. Tough luck for the keeper but a clear penalty.
So I end up with mud in my face today after being so pissed off and miserable in the first half. And I love a good mud bath. The team answered the challenge and showed me that they have the power and ability to fight back and score more than one goal after falling behind. Kudos to Tottenham for folding up like a cheap tent and showing the total lack of character that has kept them a middle of the table also ran for four decades. One day they will have to remember that championships are one with defense.
Congrats to the boys and my much relieved apologies, despite the fact that Evra needs to be hung out to dry.
April 25th, 2009 at 19:32
@Vivek: yeah. i was thinking..why on earth didn’t we try that before?!
April 25th, 2009 at 19:33
I understand that Rafa has had to go to A&E, because he suffered apoplexy when we got the penalty – Oh dear
. Daft Rafa will be all over the media with his “aLL REFEREES are United fans, and we are being cheated.” Yeah Rafa like all the goals that are disallowed when scored AGAINST L’fool – Coincidence I think not either, but can’t do nothing about it. Arsenal were robbed at Anfield, they should have won 5-4, cos Fabregas goal was NOT offside!
April 25th, 2009 at 19:35
Whatever Fergie did or said to those players at half- time, could he carry on doing in FOREVER? God, I’m so happy, come- backs like these are so rare these days.
@Grognard: Can’t blame you for thinking it was over, but egg on your face, eh?
April 25th, 2009 at 19:35
@Craig Mc: Why wasn’t it a penalty? Gomez did not get the ball first. He got Carrick first after Carrick got the ball. It was clear penalty. Don’t let those ass clowns commentating tell you different. The Spurs bias by that Scottish prick was enough to make me consider smashing my tv. He wouldn’t shutup about it. You would think he was on Spurs payroll. That was a penalty damn it.
April 25th, 2009 at 19:35
@Grognard:
The best comment of the bunch. Now you can add that when United goes 2:0 down we win 5:2.
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Great day for us and this game will stay with all of us for some time. The defense was still shaky but our attackers were out “guns blazing”. Spurs were lucky to get away with conceding only 5
April 25th, 2009 at 19:35
@Red Ranter:
I second that. The team worked extremely well, looked balanced and had the energy to go all out attack. maybe Fergie should try this more often. And please, sign tevez up.. he gave us the energy today…he was simply immense
April 25th, 2009 at 19:36
@Liam: This has been among Berbatov’s better performances. Rooney was outstanding, but Berbatov was very good. The front four + carrick were fantastic tbh. It’s not a time for petty side taking.
April 25th, 2009 at 19:36
@Vivek: Good call on the re: 2001 comeback my man! What a performance second half, thats how champions do it. Like others have said, shame we can’t start a game like that!
Come on United! Always.
April 25th, 2009 at 19:36
my girlfriend asked me this question-”why do you love football so much”, heres the answer
where else within 90 minutes can a person go through so much stages of emotion ranging from complete and utter disgust to absolute europhoria, whereelse do 76k+ fans sing the songs of their favourite players unite for on cause regardless of religion race or socio-economic group, whereelse do you have a boy who did not even pass his gcses become such a fucking legend
WAYNE ROOOONEEEEYYY
unbelieveable perforance from the lad, two goals two assits and an absolute terror on the left wing man of the match by a mile, not even two goal ronaldo matched wazzas performance,
i’ve got to cook dinner and watch barcalona vs valencia, in between ill do match ratings
BELIEVE
glory glory man utd
April 25th, 2009 at 19:37
@Craig Mc: And you know what, I don’t care! I’d rather win and have everyone on our back then lose and have everyone on our back.
April 25th, 2009 at 19:37
@Craig Mc: Fuck the ABUs! 5-2! They can shove that down their shit spouting mouths!
April 25th, 2009 at 19:37
@Grognard: Lol at the first line!
I agree with all your views!
roo for captain!
April 25th, 2009 at 19:38
@Craig Mc: I wish there was like a match box or secret camera where we get to see rival players and managers watching our matches. Rafa and the other Liverpool players’ face should have been priceless.
April 25th, 2009 at 19:38
@Rd: You all seem to think I give a fuck about getting egg on my face. The fact that I have the fucking guts to comment and criticize doesn’t mean that I am not overjoyed and relieved that I was wrong. You would think by the way some of you make such a deal about my half time rant that I was wishing United lose. Fuck! Grab some reality. I am United through and through no matter what. But loving them will not mean that they won’t get the right bollocking they deserved from me at halftime. They stunk and they deserved every word.
April 25th, 2009 at 19:39
@Vivek: Could even play an old style 4-2-4 with Berba and Tevez in the middle as out and out attacking spearheads and Rooney & Ronaldo playing as wide forwards. Risky, as well as the fact that the two CMs have twice as much work to do, but if it is executed correctly with fluid interchanging of positions teams could be blown away a la Roma (7-1)!
April 25th, 2009 at 19:42
Welcome back cavalier, free scoring United! we’ve missed u like hell.
See what happens when the midfield is re-energised?
April 25th, 2009 at 19:42
berbatov played well, cant really see how anyone could say he was crap.
man of the match was obvious rooney, I give him a lot of praise not just for the obvious, but for keeping his cool. at one point in the begining of the second half I could see the red mist starting to rise. but he chanelled all that energy into his football and he took spurs apart.
April 25th, 2009 at 19:45
Another thing, to be fair imho Berbatov was okay, threaded some nice balls for Rooney et al.
Another huge reason for the revival? Rooney’s 2nd half performance compared to his 1st (especially his 1st touch).
April 25th, 2009 at 19:45
I’m not jumping on any bandwagons, but Arsenal have a very shaky defence at the moment and if Fabianksi is in goal for midweek and we play like in the 2nd half today, I really do fear for the Gunners! The tie could theoretically be all over by the end of Wednesday night if Rooney & Co turn up like they did today!
April 25th, 2009 at 19:45
Ooh, and Ronaldo now tops the Leading Scorers, right?!! Yayy!!
April 25th, 2009 at 19:45
@Nino:
Hell yeah, its risky, and probably too much so for the really big games, but against the smaller teams, definitely worth a go. And if we can keep Hargo fit, and Anderson/Scholes/Carrick can all put in good shifts, we could blow the “Barca are the best team on the universe” crap sky high…..
April 25th, 2009 at 19:46
@weezy: Berba plays so much BETTER when we play at PACE weezy. I think when we up the tempo, and play the United way, EVERYBODY gets on the whirlwind bus, and people can’t live with us on the pitch. Thats why I fuckin hate Fergie’s attempt to play pedestrian football, because we are totally useless at it
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April 25th, 2009 at 19:47
@Grognard: totally agree with you on rooney, grog. it does worry me a little, though, that we don’t have a good winger for the left, and rooney has to sacrifice his normal playing position in order to provide some attacking impetus on that side. as well as to protect evra obviously. a ribery, hargo, carrick and ronnie midfield would be a total dream!
April 25th, 2009 at 19:48
Errr anybody, can you tell me, is it a fact that we have had to play our games AFTER L’pool have played theirs for most of the latter part of this season. This gave L’FOOL the edge, because if they won, WE HAD TO CATCH UP.
April 25th, 2009 at 19:48
the team fits perfectly:
VDS
rafa
rio
vida
o’shea
scholes
ronaldo
carrick
rooney
berbatov
tevez
its a perfect(well almost) fit for the team! When scholes is tired(or off form) simply play carrick as the deep-lying play maker, and put andy on as the CAM.
April 25th, 2009 at 19:50
@Rd: Agree with ya totally! There are some things that money just can’t buy! (For everything else, there’s Man United of course!
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April 25th, 2009 at 19:50
Actually Grog, I’d like to think SAF borrowed your exact words during halftime and it lit the fire up the team’s backsides.
In other words, you fume so much bcoz u care so deeply righht?
April 25th, 2009 at 19:52
@Rd: Oh yes, I sure would ENJOY seeing that immensely
. In fact I would PAY to see it 
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April 25th, 2009 at 19:52
@Dan:
I’m all for that formation against L’Arse…we could rip thru their shaky defense. Might concede but we will definitely score more than them…It will essentially be a return to the old times, when Fergie was not obsessed with the idea of crap Italian style possession oriented, slow paced football and when United attacked without fear and with pace
April 25th, 2009 at 19:54
@Liam: Berba set up the second for tevez who passed it to Rooney who shot. Berba setup Ronaldo who crossed it to Rooney who scored the fourth. Berbatov also scored the fifth. I mean come off it mate. He really has been immense. And I FUCKIN LOVE HIS GOAL CELEBRATION.
April 25th, 2009 at 19:55
People still bashing Berba! Unbelievable…
April 25th, 2009 at 19:55
Rooney got 2 goals and 2 and a half assists in one half of football
April 25th, 2009 at 19:55
@Grognard: Grog Gomez did get part of the ball, and part of the player Bro
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April 25th, 2009 at 19:56
@Vivek: Except Evra…
if the Grog was a pundit this phrase could have ended up being a name-on-the-trophy-type kind of phrase 
@Grognard: Of course, but that doesn’t make it any less funny!
@Grognard: “… I feel like Simon Cowell…”
April 25th, 2009 at 19:56
@Vivek: Damn skippy! we played better then brazil today lol, im sick to death of our italian game, fergie, grow some nuts and lets PLAY against arsenal!
Im surprised fergie has son, where di’get the balls
April 25th, 2009 at 19:59
@UnitedUnited: and @UnitedUnited: Liam has never given berba a chance, it wouldnt matter if he scored the CL winner, liam would still find some way to destroy him
April 25th, 2009 at 20:01
@UnitedUnited: Not to mention about two or three more genius passes that nearly resulted in other goals.
I have to applaud Tevez for the energy he brought us, but no way would we have scored all 5 if it wasn’t also for Berba…
About his goal celebration: I concur completely! I even felt a slight pang of sadness as his malaise was laid bare for all to see.
April 25th, 2009 at 20:01
@Craig Mc: i agree, was thinking the same thing. but i also think that berba has to rely on united playing well in order to work, opposed to him making united play well. like rooney is capable of
April 25th, 2009 at 20:02
@edwin:
, agreed!
April 25th, 2009 at 20:02
I dont fucking believe this… the websites are all on about the “dubious penalty” but not one word about Mascherano’s acrobatic “trip yourself” dive for their first goal…..for all you guys who live in the UK, it must be real hard to restrain yourself from going upto some offices and banging some heads in
April 25th, 2009 at 20:02
@Liam: You got that right
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April 25th, 2009 at 20:02
Rooney and Ronaldo share the man of the match for me. Both of them were in all our goals and Roanldo penalty and 3rd was just priceless. This was a great comeback and everyone had a part in it, so can people here stop bashing one or another player, specifically Evra. I think everyone knows that he had a dip in the form, but the man tries, the same goes for Nani, Andy and Berba. It’s like a fucking club of cheerleaders here (take it as you want) slagging the other ones favorite to better their own. That type of “cheerleading” is becoming an essence of this blog.
April 25th, 2009 at 20:05
@dan He has them silly. He keeps them tucked inside his pants.
April 25th, 2009 at 20:08
@UnitedUnited: what the hell do you mean berba “set up” tevez and ronaldo for them to make rooney score?he made to ordinary passes which ronaldo turned into a great cross. and rooney made that goal himself. (and his finish for that last goal should have gone in off the header. but he still scored so i’ll let that pass) but i will say he played well AFTER the fourth goal
April 25th, 2009 at 20:09
@Vivek: Oh believe me it is. Especially more so when ABUs you know start spouting that toxic recycled shit.
April 25th, 2009 at 20:18
@weezy: Utter bullshit mate. He played a part in 3 of the 4 goals from open play (obviously counting his own). Seriously, what the Christ does he need to do to get some respect?? Put in a performance like Rooney did today?? Rooney’s performance today was the best I’ve seen from a United player since Keano versus Juve, so performances like that don’t happen every day. Berbatov was very very good today. End of.
April 25th, 2009 at 20:19
@Orez: Yes, lets not saying anything negative about our team, and stay in a nice quite happy place
If you dont like it, with all respect, you know where to go!
If i want to defend a player, and call another one shite, i will because its my right! if you dont like it, go to debate club.
@weezy:
just go away, your worst then liam lol
April 25th, 2009 at 20:19
Forgive me if I’m mistaken but I thought Tevez holds a bit of a grudge against Berbatov. That’s understable off the pitch but I saw Berba make at least two great runs when Tev had the ball but he refused to pass it to him. The same thing cannot be said the other way round as I clearly saw the Berbatov providing good balls to Tevez.
Maybe I’m just projecting too much , but I thought this was worth mentioning.
April 25th, 2009 at 20:20
Rooney was absolutely bloody brilliant today and his performance and the way he turned the game for us got me thinking, do you think that when neville retires for good we should give the young man the captaincy. The way he took the game by the scruff of the neck and almost single handledly brought us back was just amazing and reminded me of a certain irishmans performance against juve in 99. Seriously he is the most important player in the entire team, when he plays well we play well, when he plays like he did today which was world class we play like a team possessed, just amazing the way he did it for us. I know hes a bit of a hot head but so was our great captain keane so that doesnt put me off and as for his age i think being made captain so young could make him grow up quicker. Rio is a good captain but sometimes i just feel when things are going well and the team is playing crap, you need someone who can just say fine i will do it myself and change the game single handedly. Can a defender really do that, probably not, but today showed us rooney can. Definitely my choice for captain and its what i have been thinking for a long time.
April 25th, 2009 at 20:22
@NicoQB: that thought came across my mind also. Tevez an automatic starter, fan fav and double winner 1 season, then a 30mil striker comes in, hes on the bench, doesnt play, and faces leaving because the transfer kitty was spent on someone else instead of him.
I can see where hes coming from to be honest, but he should deal with it!
April 25th, 2009 at 20:23
@Grognard: +@Dan: this should definitely definitely give fergie indication italian style methodical football does not work for united, i’ve never proclaimed my love for 4-2-4 on the internet, its something i bang on to my friends constantly, but today the united i saw reminded me of the brasil 1970 4-2-4, mixed with a european twist of 4-2-3-1 bare with me and let me explain:
the back 4 is the same with rafael performing the role of carlos alberto but at times his inexperience showed
the midfield two of gerson and Clodoaldo was preformed admirably by scholes/fletcher and carrick
the front 4
Pele -rooney Rooney played on the left, just like rivelino, i know he should be pele because rooney is the white pele, but he played more like pele but with hints of rivelino
Rivelino-tevez this role was played by tevez the that gave united and edge had a free role and was devastating, only difference was rivelino played on the left and tevez played in the middle
Tostao-Berbatov berbatov played a role of playmaker which is what tostao did in 1970, he dropped deep and sprayed passes around the field the way berbatov did in the second half, i was impressed by berba, i wish he did this more often still needs to do more to win me over
Jairzinho- ronaldo played on the right, and scored in every world cup match a record that still stands today, ronaldo showed what a threat a winger can be if given the ability to drift into the middle, great performance from him
i hope we play this team on Wednesday, but it will never happen, we will play park and only one striker,
April 25th, 2009 at 20:24
April 25th, 2009 at 20:25
Craig, mate, I feel really sorry for Nani. He was one of our better offensive players in the first half, no doubt about it, but it just seems to me that time and time again he has been the designated sacrificial lamb for united this season
April 25th, 2009 at 20:25
What a fantastic game. Well, at least one half of it. But you really could tell that the moment United slotted the ball down the middle of Gomes’ goal that the comeback was inevitable. I could have safely bet that Tottenham could have been 4-0 up at half time, and United would still have the balls and the grit to win it 5-4. In situations like this, I would even fancy going 2-0 down at HT instead of 1-1. When the odds are against us, they actually are. This match will be the key match we look back to when we (assuming here) lift the title in May. For all of Liverpool’s “passion and desire and hunger and whatever fuckedup connotation they come up with”, United have equaled that in this performance. You don’t bounce back like that, not without hunger.
If there was a sole reason why United were behind in the first place, it would be Patrice Evra’s awful defending. Both crosses that made the Spurs goals came from his side, the second goal proved how far he’s fallen from his past form. To get skinned that easily by simple dummies, you don’t deserve to be playing at left back for the biggest team in the world. No fucking way. He just let himself be rolled over. Gave Lennon too much space, never really looked like being able to stand up to him, and true enough, a good cross comes in and we’re 2-0 down. Evra better buck his balls up or he really will find himself down the pecking order of left back, with O’Shea and Fabio more viable options perhaps in the future.
But what can I say about Wayne Rooney. You don’t buy such character. Being skewed out to the left wing at half time, any striker could have sulked and moaned about how his talents are unappreciated and that the boss has no clue regarding tactics. Rooney just pulled up his socks and got on with it, and if anything, pulled out more than anyone would have bargained for. He loves the game, he loves winning, and I’m sure by the way he gave his heart for the team, he loves United. It wasn’t clinical finishing from him on both his goals, they could have easily ended up on the touchline. But it’s his never-say-die guts that really wins the fans over to him. The last player to give up (he’d probably had been sent off had United still be 2-0 down at 80 minutes!), he was the flagbearer and front marcher of the United calvary today. Splendid character…the stuff of true champions.
April 25th, 2009 at 20:30
@Eric the Red: no you dont have to play like rooney, but you have to be able to play well more then 15min. oh well sees a lot of people saw something i didnt so i will give it a rest.
April 25th, 2009 at 20:31
You know what, can anybody tell me how many yellow cards Ronnie has picked up for taking his bloody shirt off after scoring? Somebody should have a serious word with him, because picking up unnecessary yellows can put him out in what might be a very important game for us!
April 25th, 2009 at 20:31
@Dan: History has repeated itself several times this season. The Aston Villa game was another game of that sort. Actually that was the game we badly needed to win when Pool were breathing down our necks and we needed some confidence going following successive defeats.
Today was a day we effectively sealed the title, although I see one more tricky game, when we play Man City; they always seem to be able to turn up while facing us.
April 25th, 2009 at 20:33
@weezy: Weezy you have your own opinion on players mate, just like all of us do, so it is OK Bro. Most of us seldom see complete eye to eye about players
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April 25th, 2009 at 20:33
@Red Ranter: arsenal might be tricky as well.
April 25th, 2009 at 20:34
@Red Ranter: Thats true, im still rather hesitant to claim the title though, liverpool need to drop points before i say its ours.
April 25th, 2009 at 20:36
@Red Ranter: Mmmmmm RR I’m not so sure about that mate. M’Boro will not be an easy game, neither will the Arsenal game at home, especially if we manage to knock them out of the FA Cup and City, well I will go crazy if we don’t beat them!
April 25th, 2009 at 20:37
on rooney: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/manutd/5216180/Sir-Alex-Ferguson-dazzled-by-the-prospect-of-Wayne-Rooneys-prime-years.html
April 25th, 2009 at 20:37
Errrr I meant the CL comp RR – sorry
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April 25th, 2009 at 20:38
@Craig Mc: Exactly what I thought when I saw that happen too. I can imagine Fergie’s face changing after seeing the celebrations! Unnecessary and impetuous…but what do you expect from such a player? I mean, if I just scored that winning goal, I’d probably end up doing a lot more than taking off my shirt!
April 25th, 2009 at 20:38
@bildani: Hopefully we’ll have the title sewn up by then (assuming the dippers drop points and/or their GD advantage is wiped out).
April 25th, 2009 at 20:38
@Craig Mc: I guess he can never win with us fans. Early on he got lot of stick for not showing the passion/attempt to track back etc. Now he gets a telling off for pulling off his shirt. These things happen in moments of passion, and I was overjoyed to see his determination from the time he put away the penalty to the time he headed it in. I think we must cut him some slack especially today.
And since you asked: he’s picked up four yellow cards although I suspect some of them won’t count because he may have got a couple in the first half of the season.
April 25th, 2009 at 20:41
@Craig Mc: My assumption is we would have sealed it by the time we face Arsenal, in the sense that we would have done about enough by then making the Arsenal result have little bearing on the result if we do a job against Citeh, Boro etc. I’d imagine our last game against Hull would be a win.
April 25th, 2009 at 20:41
@weezy: What I mean weezy is that if it were not for berba’s brilliant hold up play that goal would have never happened. So it was not only after the fourth goal did he play well. He was well involved in almost all of them.
April 25th, 2009 at 20:44
@NicoQB: I know that Bro, and it aggravates me sooooooooooooooooo much, that I would like to kick Fergie’s arse or punch his lights out. Still that’s Fergie all over, he replaced Nani when he should have fucking replaced EVRA. Evra is useless now defending and useless at attacking because every raid forward end in nothing but giving the ball to the opposition. Not good enough – sorry!
April 25th, 2009 at 20:48
@Red Ranter: It wasn’t a telling off RR, it is a fear of being without Ronnie for a vital game, because one more yellow he is out right? So unnecessary yellows I can’t go along with when we have possibility of him missing a game as a result
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April 25th, 2009 at 20:49
@Red Ranter: I hope your right Bro
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April 25th, 2009 at 20:50
@Craig Mc: No, at this stage of the EPL season, the number of yellows it takes for a 1 match ban is more the 5.
April 25th, 2009 at 20:52
@Dan: Yeah Bro but one more yellow and Ronnie has 5 – right?
April 25th, 2009 at 20:54
@Craig Mc: yes, but as i said, it doesnt mean a suspension at this stage of the season!
April 25th, 2009 at 21:06
Goals -http://soccerlens.com/man-utd-5-2-tottenham-goals/27680/
April 25th, 2009 at 21:14
@Craig Mc: I’m surprised you mentioned the Fabregas disallowed goal because I was the only one that made a stink about that on the day the game was played. I’m surprised there wasn’t an uproar by the London media over that poor decision.
April 25th, 2009 at 21:21
@Mr.Muhozi: I feel that way in baseball, hockey and US football too mate. Remember those great Yankees victories in 2001 or the way they collapsed in 2004? That sport runs through the same whirlpool of emotions. But I do know what you mean, there is nothing quite like a stirring roller coaster ride of emotions from yours truly Manchester United. Today was truly epic.
April 25th, 2009 at 21:23
@edwin: Could somebody please fucking clue me in and tell me who the fuck the ABU’s are? The only ABU I know was an Arab terrorist.
April 25th, 2009 at 21:26
@Rd: That’s funny you should say that because that is done once in a while in North America during playoff time. Seeing Rafa’s face today would have been priceless. Also, I think it’s important and fair for the FA to reschedule the start times for games involving the top two clubs so that they both play at the same time. I think Liverpool playing ahead of us is a big advantage and in my view kind of unfair. I’d say the same thing if the show was on the other foot……..HANG ON! Fuck that, NO I wouldn’t. Fuck off RAFA
April 25th, 2009 at 21:30
@johnsom33: Berba played well especially with his first touch and outlets that created two goals. He was much more involved but that also has to do with the fact Spurs were leaving him alone. Better teams don’t do that. He still is slow and languid and there was one moment when he sent in Tevez all alone and Tevez was stopped but rather than follow him into the box he just stood and stared. Bottom line is he is a gifted player but he is slow and lazy and that has caught up to him while he was getting away with it early in the season. Still, it was a much improved performance by him.
April 25th, 2009 at 21:31
@Nino: On the other hand, if we play like we did in the first half we will be down 4-0 or 5-0 to Arsenal so it goes both ways. Our offense really needs to click into gear against Arsenal because they will score against us, even without Arshavin.
April 25th, 2009 at 21:34
@bildani: You know Rooney is really making a statement on the left side. Look at his production. He scores twice and delivers two assists and numerous top quality crosses. What more can you ask of a winger? He also helped Evra out in that second half. Perhaps we need to explore leaving him out there permanently and look to replace his old position of striker? Just a suggestion.
April 25th, 2009 at 21:35
@Grognard: Anyone But United
Also for future reference, a WUM is a Wind Up Merchant.
Come on old man, get with the times
i joke i joke.
April 25th, 2009 at 21:35
@Craig Mc: Great point mate, I just brought that up myself. It doesn’t seem fair they can take care of business and then put added pressure on us to match them. WTF??
April 25th, 2009 at 21:40
@Grognard: Rooney is the messi of england! he can play on the right, left, upfront or off the striker! It comes as no surprise that he owns that left wing to be honest.
But for the rest of this season, yea, we should use him on the left, then next season, re-evaluate, and see how we can change our system to fit around him(again) playing off the striker.
April 25th, 2009 at 21:40
@miele: Try to get others to understand that. That’s exactly right. I fume so much because I give a damn and because it means so much to me. I am a spoilt rotten Man Utd fan that is so used to dominating and winning, the adverse absolutely makes me sick. Anyone who could take the first half and feel good and optimistic is dead inside. It was killing me and i needed to vent. I hate blind and positive optimism, even if it’s directed toward a great team like United. Nothing is ever taken for granted and if you look at the game closely, a debatable penalty changed the whole game. That penalty isn’t given, United continue to struggle and doubt themselves. The penalty woke us up and helped the team switch gears. She’s a funny old game and nothing can change the game like fate and a little adrenaline induced emotion.
April 25th, 2009 at 21:43
@Craig Mc: He got the player before he ever got the ball and I feel it is doubtful over the ball. I saw the ball move because Carrick chipped to the side to get around Gomez. Nope, NO WAY man, That was a penalty. I’ll go to my grave believing it. This is not bias talking, believe me.
April 25th, 2009 at 21:44
@NicoQB: Thanks mate. See I am not always a miserable old Grognard. I have a sense of humour and I am humble too.
April 25th, 2009 at 21:49
@Grognard: Anyone But United Grog mate. Should have clarified earlier, my bad.
April 25th, 2009 at 21:50
@Dan: He let it all hang out old school in the second half because we were down by two. All of a sudden it’s out with Nani and Fletcher and in with Tevez and Scholes and we started to press. Fortunately Spurs fold up like a cheap tent. Once we got the penalty they completely choked. A better team would have regrouped. We still gave them chances but we were buoyed by the penalty and we started to believe. I still feel our finishing lacked crispness. Both Rooney goals weren’t exactly clean and there were errors defensively. Berba’s goal was a lucky rebound. Only Ronaldo’s goal was truly great. But still, they went in so we had some luck go our way to. We needed some luck because we certainly haven’t had much of it lately. Special thanks to Spurs for sitting out the second half. A bunch of numbnuts wankers.
April 25th, 2009 at 21:52
shit, i missed the game…
woke up and saw the score on soccernet, first thing I had to do was come check was happening on here.
firstly – UNITED FOR LIFE!!!!!!
the comments are hilarious, from despair, bitching, to redemption and glory!
I need to get my hands on a vid replay of the whole game.
this is what we live for eh, the united we know and love,
feels like we need to get hit about before switching on lately, similar to the Villa game,
it’s like someone in a boxing match who gets hit around at the start, gets so pissed off they go on a rampage and leave the other opponent, KO’d on the floor within an inch of their life…
this may or may not be the right timing, but when Nev eventually does retire. I know the arm band will most likely go to Rio, but my heart wants Rooney, he’s the closest player compared for heart to Keano right now, passion confused with anger.
and last but not least: @name: haha! scouse wanker, not the place to come and talk shit.
April 25th, 2009 at 21:53
@Eric the Red: Rooney’s performance today was of legendary status. He should get the captaincy for this performance because of the leadership, desire and hunger he showed. That’s the definition of delivering in the clutch. Three cheers for the Electric Roonaroo.
April 25th, 2009 at 21:55
@Matt: Do you read my posts mate? I mentioned that three times already.
But yes you are right. Hell Neville should man up and do what Beckham did with England and volunteer to give up the captaincy for the good of the team. Selfish prick. Injured and basically useless all the time and he refuses to give up the C.
April 25th, 2009 at 22:00
@Mr.Muhozi: It’s more like the Brazilian 4-2-2-2 mate. Two holding midfielders and then two wide midfielders (Rooney and Ronaldo who have carte blanche to do whatever they want with two forwards in Tevez and Bebrbatov sliding all over the place trying to create gaps. Brazil works this well when both Kaka and Ronaldinho were at their best. It looks like 4-2-4 but it is really an attack oriented 4-2-2-2. Either way, it works when the emphasis is on attack. But it does leave you open in the back, especially on the flanks, which was shown today and even in the second half. Fortunately Spurs lost their mojo after the penalty and they really weren’t much of a threat.
April 25th, 2009 at 22:03
@Mr.Muhozi: And going back to the days of Pele Jairzinho, Gerson and Rivelino sounds all romantic and all but is not really valid because that was a truly different game that was played then despite the formations. No, what you saw today is Brazil’s 4-2-2-2 that Barca used quite a bit under Rijkaard.
April 25th, 2009 at 22:04
@Grognard:
@Grognard: Rooney is the next Mr.Man united, he bleeds united red, and i can never see him leaving!
just to make this day even better, barca are losing right now!
April 25th, 2009 at 22:04
@Jon: In the end, Evra is going to cost us the Champions League. You mark my word on it.
April 25th, 2009 at 22:06
@Red Ranter: I’d say Arsenal at home is incredibly scary mate. Man City is a concern but Arsenal is a frightful prospect with that attack and Arshavin will play against us in the League game.
April 25th, 2009 at 22:10
@Dan: Thanks mate. I’m not big on Internet abbreviations and slang. I still have a fondness for plain English and I hate lazy people who have a hard time spelling out “Anyone But United” instead of ABU which takes a split second longer to type. Truly pathetic.
Thanks for the info.
April 25th, 2009 at 22:11
@edwin: Thanks mate got it.
April 25th, 2009 at 22:12
@Grognard: That’s the second last game of the season. My point was to hope we get our job done by then.
April 25th, 2009 at 22:19
@Grognard: brasil developed 4-2-2-2 in 1994, only because the 4-2-4 and 4-3-3 they played was failing miserably.
whatever united was playing, 4-4-2, 4-2-3-1 4-2-4 4-3-3 4-5-1 whatever it worked and i want it to stick because i love seeing united play like this,
April 25th, 2009 at 22:20
@Grognard: Why the hatred though? The reason modern languages like English has managed to grow is due to it’s dynamism and ability to adapt to change. ABU as far as I know is a word that’s around for over 15 years in recent memory, and has borne out of United fans’ cynicism of media (other fans’) bias and hatred of United’s dominance that they went with the mentality: Anyone But United. Since it became such a widely used phrase in writing in most United fan magazines and sites, it went through the natural progression to an acronym.
I’m sure you, as a North American, would understand the need for acronyms in language — it makes commonly known phrases easier to type/speak. You could argue that you didn’t know what it meant, but on a United board that terminology is fairly common.
Either way, Anyone But United is 15 letters, ABU is 3.
I think it’s a no brainer for someone who has to use this phrase a lot.
April 25th, 2009 at 22:21
@Red Ranter: We can have it rapped up by then, if we win all our remaining games and liverpool drop points.
or if we somehow get a rather large goal difference by the arsenal game, and can afford to not score goals for two games.
April 25th, 2009 at 22:23
@NicoQB: thanks for those links mate,
it was great seeing the different reactions to each goal,
ronaldo picking the ball back from the net and running back
rooney, not over celebrating, but believing we could still win
ronaldo going mental with the leading 3rd ( though he threw his shirt so far, it could be mistaken that he didn’t want it!?… nah i don’t think so)
and berbatov’s relief when he scored
April 25th, 2009 at 22:23
@Red Ranter: i agree, i swear in America every sport you losers have has an acronym?
Im joking about the losers btw…by the way.
April 25th, 2009 at 22:37
eewww, this pool defence is shocking at best!
April 25th, 2009 at 22:48
As someone mentioned earlier i think we changed to a 4-2-3-1, with carrick and scholes in the midfield 2, with rooney on the left, ronnie on the right, with berba behind tevez. It worked well looking at it cos we scored 5 goals playing like that. Some people however will say it wont if we play that as our main team cos its not defensive enough but i have to disagree with that. Its true we scored the 5 in the second half when spurs just completely sat back but in all honesty how many teams actually have a go at us. Seriously apart from the top 4 and a few decent teams like blackburn how many teams dont sit back and do try to score. Not many at all, i just wish that we went with this attacking formation more often. Whilst im not suggesting we play it against arsenal say on wednesday i do think it should be used against middlesbrough next week. Why not, are boro gonna be too much for us to handle defensively, i doubt it. I say lets try it more often, i know today we had no choice but to go all out on the attack but if we could score 5 goals against a spurs side that sat back for 45 mins, what could we do from the start against boro. We have played poor all season and it was refreshing to see that kind of football today. It reminded me of the united of old, the united football i feel in love with. Sadly this season we have seen to much football of the 1st half kind and not enough of the 2nd. I truly hope ferguson took notice of how we basically took apart a very decent spurs side when we deployed the 4-2-3-1. Most importantly tevez played a huge part in the turn around and if we were to play this sort of formation on a more permanent basis he could be lethal and his services would be needed on a permanent basis as well.
I truly hope we dont see the 1st half tactics any more, more on the lines of what we saw 2nd half. I guess we will have to wait and see how fergie goes, but theres no denying that when we play like that we are truly amazing to watch, the best maybe, better than barca i think.
April 25th, 2009 at 23:49
@Grognard: “pathetic!” I think you need to look in the mirror old man, Where have you been for the last ten to fifteen years? oh yeah, Canada! Call yourself a United fan? And you don’t know what ABU is? Well, i never! The all knowing Grognard isn’t all knowing!! Do you know how many of your desciples are dropping off bridges right now? There’s a “Towering Inferno” style disaster going on!!!
Oh yeah lol means laughed out loud!! Only joking Grog! Before you loose it Ice hockey Style. 
April 25th, 2009 at 23:51
@Red Ranter: Typical reaction from somebody under 30. It’s lazy and I for one never knew what it meant. Why? Because I don’t live in Manchester. There should be some courtesy for older bastards like myself who don’t suffer from ADD (that’s Attention Deficit Disorder for those who think I was being lazy) and who would appreciate the use of pure English instead of abbreviations that don’t always transcend borders or continents for that matter. Whether its 3 letters or 15 letters, the courteous thing to do is to take the time to write it out for all to understand. Otherwise it comes across as rude and lazy to people like myself who give 100% every time they write a post.
April 25th, 2009 at 23:54
@Matt: Matt could you do us a big favor and break your posts up into paragraphs. It makes things much easier to read. I’m famous for long posts but I’d get told off every day if I never broke them up properly. Thanks mate.
April 25th, 2009 at 23:57
@phoenix red: Honest to God mate, I never heard of the term until last week when somebody referred to one of my posts by just saying ABU. I was at a loss to figure it out. This is something that is strictly territorial and you assume that somebody like me in Canada would know it. Sorry but it was new to me.
Hey, and the “old man” reference was uncalled for.
April 26th, 2009 at 0:17
@Grognard: Yeah i know mate people always say that but i always forget. Sorry to everyone, i will remember to put my writing into paragraphs, its just when you feel the need to speak about something thats annoying you, i go on a sort of role and just dont stop, sorry to all.
Just onto another point, as i mentioned earlier it seemed that rooney switched to the left side of midfield in the 2nd half and was absolutely excellent too. Just was thinking back to say 2 seasons ago when he played there and he was really struggling, yet today on that left side he was simply excellent. Is the boy wonder coming of age, he certainly seems to be doing the business whether hes playing on the left, in the middle or wherever and its really good to see.
As i mentioned earlier we now need to look to the arsenal game and im just thinking about formations to play and bearing in mind arsenal have alot of injuries, i just want to see us go with the 4-2-3-1 we ended with and be bold, go attacking and take a good lead to the emirates. The formation seemed excellent and i know its a bold decision and a big gamble but like me fergie is a gambling man and i just hope he goes with the following team:
VDS
RAFAEL RIO VIDIC EVRA
CARRICK ANDERSON
RONALDO BERBA ROONEY
TEVEZ
Tevez seemed to play as the lead striker strangely enough today but the 3 of berba, ronaldo and rooney did brilliantly swapping positions, we just looked excellent.
I know its a little early talking about formations for the arsenal game but i just really like this 4-2-3-1 formation and todays evidence proves it can work. 1 game i know but its the best 45 mins ive seen in ages.
I just really wanted to know all your views on this formation. Some may say its too attacking but i just feel with 2 good midfielders it would work well allowing the front 4 to cause damage to any defence. Ok maybe its not the best time to play this against arsenal, but definitely it should be tried against the lower based teams starting with middlesbrough next saturday and teams of that ilk. What do you all think?
April 26th, 2009 at 0:30
@Matt:
I like the lineup but not for a home CL game.
April 26th, 2009 at 0:34
@MUFC Fan in America: Yeah it maybe is a bit attacking against a good attacking team like arsenal but definitely against say middlesbrough next saturday it would be ideal. Lets be honest how many teams in the league dont sit back against us, not many. We should definitely try it against the lower table teams at home and in tough away games where we need alot of attacking options. I personally feel its about the best team and most attacking team we could put out.
April 26th, 2009 at 0:35
@Grognard: If you’ve read my blog posts over the past 2 years you’d know better about the value I place on writing decent English, before stereotyping me as a typical under 30 year old.
News flash: Just because I can understand the motivation behind using an acronym doesn’t mean I will abbreviate every possible phrase.
I am not talking about unheard of acronyms. It’s irritating if someone uses an acronym only he and his dog uses. But ABU is a reasonably well known term among United fans who are not even necessarily from England.
If you don’t know you can ask, instead of calling people pathetic for using something they thought most might actually know. Not really their fault.
In my personal opinion, the use of LOLs and ROFLs are more criminal abuse to the language than actually abbreviations of proper words. Doesn’t mean I have to give a lecture on grammar and punctuation. I’ve spelled those out on the comments policy.
April 26th, 2009 at 1:07
First Half: Cursing, yelling and swearing.
Second Half: Singing with joy.
Today we witnessed 5 more reasons why we love United
April 26th, 2009 at 1:23
I’ve said it MANY times before but i’ll say it again anyway, Thank God for Wayne Rooney. He is the heart, the engine, the spirit of this United team. Absolute fuckin magic! How did we come back from 2-0 down? Mmmmmmmmmm …. Couldn’t have been tactics, could it? Naaaaaah, Fergie doesn’t do tactics, everyone knows that!!!
I had to go offline at halftime, my inlaws arrived! Ho HUM, banished upstairs into the spare room to watch the remainder of the game. At least i could vent my frustration/delight on my own without going ape at anyone else. I phoned my brother during the interval for a chat, he reckoned “it wasn’t our day, revival, no chance!” I assured him that we were gonna get a result, he didn’t agree. I said “just wait, you’ll see”, before long i was ringing him back for a “i told you so” chat. The lesson here is DONT EVER, EVER COUNT UNITED OUT, no matter how shit things are going, FFS 1999 Nou Camp, Anyone? This is why we are Champions, Again!
After a first half that was demoralising, i knew that the famous HAIRDRYER was going to be used like never before!And those muppets on Setanta had running odds from the bookies, United were 11/2 at halftime to win. I swear if there was a bookies anywhere close to me i would have put my house on a United comeback!
Back to the hairdryer, would have loved to see the inside of our dressing room then. And so it was, the lads came out for the second half like men possessed, esp Rooney. This was it Squeaky Bum Time x 10000 times, and they knew it, and they responded like true Champions. And they did it the Manchester United Way(TM), ie by nearly giving us a heart attack, aswell as ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK! I was so happy to see so many players respond, not only Rooney(but he led from the front!) but also Carrick, Ronaldo, Teves and Berbatov. Anyone who cant see what he offers now, needs SPECSAVERS in my opinion.The interplay, the holding the ball just long enough and spraying the ball effortlessly with total precision. It was a masterful display in attacking football, truly mouthwatering. We found what we’ve lacked so much this season, MOVEMENT. Berba was the fulcrum for this movement.More urgency from midfield and better supply gave him more time and space to express himself. And express himself he did, with aplomb.
At halftime it was obvious who the crowd wanted as the “Argentina” chants went around the ground, Fergie took note. Why was Nani subbed off? Simple, Fergie decided to go back to the roving attacking 3, no make that 4, although i thought Nani played quite well, Evra was having a nightmare and needed support, hence Rooney to the left! As soon as Teves entered the fray, Spurs had fuck all time or space, he hounded them like he was on a personal vendeta, fuckin great to watch. Even before the penalty, things were starting to look brighter for the United faithfull.
OK the dubious penalty ABU commitee, thinks it was harsh. Harsh my bollox, Fantastic through ball from Rooney, Carrick bearing down on goal, keeper to beat, Gomez takes him down, PENALTY, simple. More was to follow, and the crowd knew it and Spurs knew it. Rooney smelt fear and like the pitbull that he is, went for the jugular and dragged the rest of his teammates with him. Some people have mentioned Keano in Juve that day in 99, i completely concur. This was a massive game for him, his dribbling, his distribution,watching the one twos, the lay offs, and general interplay between the Fab Four was mesmirising!
“Are you watching Mersyside?” fuckin right they were, read it and weep You Scouse Bastards. United for the double, Again
April 26th, 2009 at 1:42
@Grognard: Grog, that was me! referring to Sam Wallace as an ABU BOLLOX journalist, which he is, by the way! I was only having a laugh about the “old man” bit, Bro you’re very tetchy today. I’m not that far behind you, as far as our age goes, so that was meant in jest
Now truth be told, when any of us first heard ABU, most of us had to be enlightened by someone else, so i wouldn’t worry. But it might explain my sceptisism when reading articles by known Liverpool fans and therefore , my response.
April 26th, 2009 at 1:54
@Matt: mate, that is the formation Fergie has been ‘trying’ to employ all season; I said this a while back. The only difference btw today’s performance and the others is one of those two central midfielders got forward and relieved berba of his extra man-marker in the middle of the park, hence freeing him up to interlink with the other forwards. Carrick was allowed to go forward today and see what happened!! The formation just clicked. Fergie has been too cautious so far this season and I really hope this performance made him realise once again that the best way to defend is to attack.
Free Carrick or whoever is the more attacking of the midfield pairing and we would demolish teams. I mean, we have one of, if not the most devastating attacking line-ups in the premiership, so why does Fergie use them as midfielders/defenders? In Rio and Vidic, we have two stoppers who won’t let anything past them so why do we need two central midfielders to give them cover? Free one to join in attack and I would nominate Carrick, Giggs or Ando to employ that role, moreso Carrick. He is an excellent passer, shooter, controller & dribbler of the ball. Not to mention his timely runs in the box when given the chance. This guy can be our Frank lampard if Fergie lets him.
I was really impressed with the 2nd half performance today. It was not the goals but the determination to win and play like champions showed by all our players in that half. This is what they have been lacking and liverpool have been showing for sometime and it got me worried. Rooney, Ronaldo, Tevez, all of them came out in the second half loking for it and my, did they get it. Arsene better be afraid! He’s talking about how he’s studied us and plotted our downfall, I bet he didn’t see this regained mojo coming. His makeshift defence are going to be in for a torrid time this wednesday and I for one can’t wait.
April 26th, 2009 at 2:01
@Red Ranter: Sorry mate but I stand by what I said because there seems to be a little discrimination here towards people who aren’t as Internet savvy or who don’t use LOL and ABU every time they write a sentence. I never heard it before and I am far from living in the wilderness, so telling me that it is common is truly BS (Hows that for an acronym?). For too long many of us over 40 have had to be overwhelmed and barraged with gibberish on different forums from people under 30 who are just plain lazy. So forgive me if this particular ABU thing has inflamed a pet peeve of mine. Call it a crusade of mine for folks on this site to stop using acronyms that may not make sense to everyone out there. Bleeping Internet is turning minds into putty.
April 26th, 2009 at 2:06
@phoenix red: That pillock on Setanta Craig Burley got me so incensed with his never ending crusade over that penalty. He wouldn’t shut up about it all game and what gets me is that not only was he wrong, but even if he was right, it’s such a close call, you cannot fault the referee for going Man Utd’s way on the decision. But instead he was calling it obvious and calling Howard Webb a homer and just spouting total crap. Fine we get it Burley, you hate United.
April 26th, 2009 at 2:14
@phoenix red: Not a problem mate. I am a little touchy because every time I mention something about stuff like that, I get clobbered for it. I am far from ignorant and I don’t live under a rock. I peruse United and footy sights all the time and everyone knows how much I contribute to Red Rants but then they try to tell me that ABU is a common thing that everyone knows and that fact that i don’t know makes me a numpty. So I got a little defensive because one thing I am not is a numpty. I’m not from Liverpool.
One thing I have always battled against is the spread of geekism on the Internet. You know, language, acronyms and gibberish that only under 30’s with computers and IT jobs who think they are smarter than everyone else because they can masturbate online. So that is why I take exception to others poking fun at me over something like that. RR and others would say I overreacted, but I say I was frustrated being referred to as an idiot for not being 22 and from England. Anyway, I got that off my system. Cheers.
April 26th, 2009 at 2:17
@Grognard: Another example of an ABU was Craig Burley on Setanta today, our match commentator! That cunt just wouldn’t shut the fuck up, loving all the bollox i had to listen to afterwards about the penalty!
They were all at it, Burley(Setanta) Ronny Whelan (Premiership, RTE) Ray Houghton(Premiership, RTE) Alan Hansen(Match of the Day, BBC) All ex scouse players except Burley, he was Chelsea. Does it really matter? does it fuck! Cos we dont care, we were quite happy with the result, Ta very much
April 26th, 2009 at 2:22
@Grognard: ABU is not a internet term such as LOL or ROTFLMAO etc…
just used by the armies of anti-united sore losers, mostly british based, hence if you don’t live in the UK you may not have heard it before
April 26th, 2009 at 2:41
@phoenix red: Love the passion here, man!!, and I agree about Rooney 110%. His fury riled up the rest of the team to such a pitch, that they became completely unstoppable.
It wasn’t so much a display of delightful movement, or magical finishing, but more of a brutal bludgeoning, that in its 30 minute whirlwind, took the very life out the opponent and probably Liverpool too!!
It was vengeance and pay back for our recent malaise. It was the re-emergence of the United spirit and it was very, very powerful statement to us, SAF, and of course, ABU!
I thought Rooney had struggled for years to stamp his will on this team and today he stamped and he stamped, and he stamped and in the end they gave into his demands. He is the leading man in a team of brutal men that will lead us to the Holy Grail!!!
April 26th, 2009 at 2:43
For those of you Who aren’t sure if Burley is an ABU cunt, read on….
@Grognard: ABU is purely a football phrase, not exclusive to the internet at all.In fact, i heard it before i was ever online! There’s a whole tribe of followers here in Ireland and the UK(and worldwide!) who are dedicated ABU’s, I’ve even seen fuckers with ABU hoodies on!
It essentially, was the answer to…. “Who do you follow?” “Anybody but United” – ABU, but later turned around by United fans to represent journalists and others in the media who had an obvious anti United stance.
April 26th, 2009 at 2:56
@Redrich: And i’ll happily watch them “Bludgeon” their way through the opposition
Kinda reminds me of “SLAINE” a Celtic Myth character/story from a comic called 2000 AD? Ever heard of it? He did alot of bludgeoning in a Rooney sort of way!!
April 26th, 2009 at 3:26
@phoenix red: Don’t know what you’re talking about here, but my point is that with their venom in the Spurs game we will destroy all competition including “SLAINE”.
April 26th, 2009 at 5:55
@phoenix red: Iw as on all about that mate in the previous post #286. I totally agree with you. Burley was a disgrace not because he was right or wrong but because he was so sure he was right over a play that could go either way due to it’s closeness. I believe it was a penalty but even I admit it was a close thing. To call the referee a homer when he was giving yellows to United players for laughs just makes me sick. He should get the sack for bias commentating.
April 26th, 2009 at 5:59
@Natzca: That’s the problem, I don’t live in the UK and I never heard it before this week on guess what? The Internet. It’s like many fans who call the team ManU. They are not aware of the historical connotation and that it is an insulting term. How are they expected to if they live in Nebraska or Osaka? This is why I am a stickler that everyone use plain English on an international site. It’s easy for everyone and there are no misunderstandings or confusion. I’m not trying to be a control freak, I just find a bit frustrating is all.
April 26th, 2009 at 6:01
@Redrich: Some of those goals went in ugly. It’s like we willed them in. Thou shalt pass and there is nothing Spurs could do about it. It was truly awesome and you could just see the club wake from a season long slumber. Now watch Fergie drill the Italian shit into them again and we will go back to the same old shit in a few days. Sorry for the pessimism but Fergie is really getting on my nerves with his tactics this season.
April 26th, 2009 at 6:12
Grog, sorry man but Red Ranter is correct ABU is fairly common even right here in Malaysia, even my Scouse-loving ex-boyfriend uses the term. Jon, am I right with this opinion?
But then we are obsessed with the EPL here, perhaps due to having been colonized by the Brits and all
. Oh wait, what was Canada?
(sorry for the short term usage,I cant type as fast as you Grog).
April 26th, 2009 at 6:45
Anyone notice the two-footed lunge by Palacios on Ronaldo in the first half? Had he connected with Ronnie, he would have broken his foot. Wasnt Ronaldo sent off against City for a similar challenge even when he didnt make any contact? And the media calls Webb on on our side!!!! Pathetic
April 26th, 2009 at 7:28
@miele: The only ABU I’ve ever heard of were a terrorist known as Abu Nidal as well as Abu Ghraib prison. ABU the football term never quite made to my part of the world.
April 26th, 2009 at 7:40
@Grognard: That’s your problem mate. ABU is not an internet slang. A lot of fans know this term even though they are a million miles away. (I know it although I am not a season ticket holder in OT while so do countless others.) There is no discrimination here. You made it a big deal by going on a crusade just because you didn’t know a term that actually wasn’t as rare as you thought it to be. There’s nothing wrong in learning a new term that has been in usage for a while. No one is going to think you are a numpty. And if they do, then they really have issues in life. There are more important things in life than people crucifying you for not knowing the meaning of that acronym.
So if you intend to start telling people how to comment, beyond what’s already spelled in my comment policy, I’m sorry, that’s not happening.
I have a policy in place in my comments policy where I tend to delete (or warn) commenters that overtly use caps or use text messaging language. But at the same time I wouldn’t want to strangle people’s expression by getting overly anal about it — although the main reason for that is it takes a lot more effort. There’s a fine line that I draw and it’s not a science really.
So my final word on this particular case is this: ABU is in fairly common usage. If people don’t know the term, they can always ask and learn its meaning. Nothing wrong with a little education, and no one is going to scoff at another for it. If they do I am here to moderate and help out by taking care of wind up merchants. But if you have a problem with the usage of ABU, well then, tough luck mate. You will have to live with that.
April 26th, 2009 at 7:46
Also despite the international nature of this site, a vast majority of the traffic comes in from UK. And there is a lot of assimilation of language that’s more UK based. For example in North America, if someone calls another person a cunt, he’d probably rip him to shreds with a chain saw. In the UK it’s as common as calling someone a fucker.
Subconsciously, we have been assimilating a lot of UK based terminology in ways the use to call players etc. If it was the MLB/NFL we’d be using terminology and jargon that Americans use. We’ll just have to learn them, that’s all. And there’s no shame in that.
April 26th, 2009 at 8:07
People should be a bit fairer on Evra, of late he hasn’t been good I agree, there is no reason why he cannot be criticized for his recent form. A few months ago however, people were discussing him as one of the best left backs in the world (he was playing fantastically well both in defence and attack) and now people want to offload him and get in somebody new, saying he is terrible player etc. Criticize players sure but have a little context and perspective. Evra is a bloody good player
April 26th, 2009 at 8:21
@Grognard: Hey Grog, the term has been here long before lee invented the “World Wide Web”
Its a very common usage in the UK, and you would expect people to use it.
Going by your rules, everyone would have to write in United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization every time they wanted to say UNESCO in order to account for the 90% of the fans to know that, ans hence use it, in the same way that people using UNESCO would expect a majority of the people reading the article/write-up containing the abbreviation to know what it stands for. Its all about context.
I would agree with you if The Economist used ABU while talking about United’s finances, but at an United site, I don’t see you point.
You can always ask and find out what it is, but to berate people for its usage is like reading an United Nations research paper and launching into its author for using UNESCO.
Yes, even I was not aware of the term when I started following united, but I have seen the term so frequently in use at United blogs and newsletters that its not odd anymore.
Sorry everyone for the long and repetitive post, but I felt I had a point to make
April 26th, 2009 at 8:25
Awesome game btw!
April 26th, 2009 at 8:31
@Shreyas: Edit:
Going by your rules, everyone would have to write in United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization every time they wanted to say UNESCO in order to account for the <5% reader who would probably not know what it stands for. ABU is a term that majority of the United fans are expected to know, in the same way that people using UNESCO would expect a majority of the people reading the article/write-up containing the abbreviation to know what it stands for. Its all about context.
April 26th, 2009 at 8:45
@Red Ranter: I think you have busted my balls over this quite enough thanks. Actually I never made that big a deal about it. Others did because I didn’t know what it meant and it frustrated me like I was stupid for not knowing it. So when I started to defend myself for the simple reason that nobody likes to be seen as a numpty, you came down on me. For what? Big frakken deal. I wasn’t pissed off with anyone in particular. I was just voicing a pet peeve I had with acronyms and this ABU thing just instigated it. You say it’s my problem but it seems you made it your problem too and I don’t really see why? It’s you who is making much ado about nothing, not me. I know you don’t see it that way but all you did with your replies is just upset me by putting me on the defense. If you had just kept quiet, nothing major would have been made of it and a few of the blokes were kind enough to explain to me the meaning and thus end my ignorance. What bugs you was my attack on 20 something IT geeks who use the Internet as their personal little slang codex. Well, consider me a miserable old bastard that does not conform to the lazy habits of this present IT generation. Jeez, it’s like I can’t even rant anymore without getting my wings clipped.
April 26th, 2009 at 8:48
@Grognard: ahh its all trivial,
lets talk football,
more importantly this week vs arsenal
April 26th, 2009 at 8:53
@Shreyas: I wasn’t berating anyone. I just voiced my frustration with territorial acronyms. I think I have been pissed on enough over such a totally useless issue. I got the message and I have had at least a half dozen people comment to me about the meaning before you decided to add your 2 cents. Honestly, I am being made to look like a miserable old bastard and asshole over this and I truly don’t appreciate it. I was making a valid point and instead of getting some support or even some disagreement, I am getting bombarded with accusations of being insensitive and berating individuals. I never said anything about any individual. On the other hand I have been made to look silly and petty which I am not. Honestly, I think I have been lambasted about this crap one too many times today.
April 26th, 2009 at 8:56
@Natzca: I agree, try telling that to RR and some others who are taking turns throwing rotten eggs at me. Christ you would think I molested Fergie’s daughter by the kind of abuse I have received from this. Truthfully, I am hurt over this and you are right, it was just trivial crap and I just voiced a pet peeve. So yes, lets talk football.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:02
@Grognard:
All in a days work when you are supporting a team like United. btw, “ABUs” doesn’t make sense or sound gramatically correct when u expand it, because of the ’s’ in it. And I know ABUs itself is grmatically screwed up 
April 26th, 2009 at 9:07
@Grognard: you tend to be affronted very quickly, don’t you. If anyone’s reading your comments the first time they would think you are the most hated guy on here, when in fact the opposite is true
April 26th, 2009 at 9:07
You know what’s frustrating? Taking the time to write a long post about a subject like Paul Scholes and hardly getting any feedback at all from anyone, but when I make a remark against ABU or abbreviations being a frustrating thing to follow and read, I get crucified and have dozens of comments come my way. To say I am a little confused by that would be an understatement.
Sorry if Groggy is feeling a little sorry for himself but there are times I wonder why I bother and why I try so hard to contribute to a site where it’s members and moderator would rather find time to poke fun at my ignorance over something and then berate me for defending myself? Why not take the time to read a post I have taken time to write about football and debate me on my views and knowledge of something to do with that subject?
Perhaps I am making much ado about nothing but I am a sensitive soul and I do not like it when I am made to sound like a fool, an out of touch old man and above all, I hate being accused of creating trouble when I know I haven’t.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:07
If Fergie had a daughter I would definitely molest her
April 26th, 2009 at 9:11
@Grognard:
The attack on 20 somethings in particular doesn’t actually bug me as much as your insinuation that I discriminate people based on their usage of LOLs etc.
All this comes as a thanks for months and months of defending you over countless attacks from fellow commenters. Yet, the moment I try to reason with you over something, you throw that out that I try to discriminate or clip your wings, (as if it gives me tremendous pleasure to do that).
If you just ask other fellow commenters if I really did come on you hard then fine, I’ll take the blame for it. But I am pretty sure I didn’t try to clip your wings as you put it. And, if anything, if you read the tone of all my comments above it’s quite obvious I was looking to actually hear you out over the reasons behind your hatred towards people of my age group.
Anyway, I’m sorry, I can’t devote all that energy to reason with you. If you think I made it a big deal, fine go with it. I’ve made my case without making any personal attacks of any sort according to my conviction. There is nothing in my comments, and I read everything again, to suggest I was berating you.
My only regret is, it has come to this even after over a year of sort of knowing each other. And it’s rather sad and unfortunate, sorry to say.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:11
@Babyface: People focus on how poor Evra is playing but I feel that Rafael is a defensive liability. He was completely out of position in Spurs second goal and he is getting skinned by the players he is assigned to mark putting extra pressure on Rio to cover him. To be honest none of our full backs inspire much confidence at the moment. I think that we should play Wes Brown and JOS in the next few games.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:12
I think we have a good chance with arsenal,
our confidence is back, and our defence is better than theirs,
if we can get at least 2-0 at home, we have a good chance to go through,
and to clarify, we have confidence and belief not to make the mistakes we made in earlier games,
they were probably a blessing in disguise, that we know have the resilience to come out of that will give us the edge in upcoming games
April 26th, 2009 at 9:13
@Shreyas: So call me sensitive. Another thing the Internet has a hard time discerning is people’s reactions and feelings over comments. Quite often an innocent comment can be completely misinterpreted when one is on the Internet. And all though I am not the paranoid fool I may sound like, I do get upset when my feelings over something are not considered and when others try to tell me that I am wrong while not getting where I am coming from.
You say I am liked and I know several on this site that do indeed like me, but I have also had many battles and I do wonder sometimes if I am liked by a lot of you out there. For many that is not an important over the cold impersonal Internet, but in that I am very old school and so I do not like it when I am being misunderstood, disrespected or not liked. W e all should want to be liked I would think.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:17
frankie: you might be right about Rafael but he is still baby, imagine how good he could become…. and Fabio also!!!
April 26th, 2009 at 9:18
@Grognard:
And I could argue that despite all these years of sticking up for you over here when you get so much shit, I get called for poking fun at you when I never even did that. I can’t believe I am to be blamed when you feel insecure or defensive over something when all my intention was to try and help you feel better. It makes absolutely no sense for me to stick up for you one moment and berate you and poke fun at you. You seem to forget the times I have made efforts to accommodate and amend comment policies based on feedback from people like yourself.
God I can’t believe I am still talking about this. I gotta run and write a post on the Tottenham game and move on.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:29
And if you really want to know my personal views on the use and abuse of the English language, you can do so over email. You will be surprised, Grog, that we are more in agreement over the use of acronyms than you think. The point of disagreement I believe comes in context, but I don’t want to bore everyone with that stuff.
April 26th, 2009 at 10:03
@Grognard:
a bit over-emotional, aren’t you? You remind me of a certain Portuguese winger, the one who went down clutching his head after a touchline tackle when he fell on his ass.
And about this liked/disliked/discrimination business, the truth of the matter is that the more you antagonise others, the more they’ll antagonise you. The mods (in this case the editor) can only do so much in terms of leveling the playing field.
If you don’t think about others before you speak, or if you fail to take into account what reactions people will have to your views, you really shouldn’t be surprised if some people end up disliking what you say.
I’ve gotten a lot of stick over the last 3 years at Soccerlens, much of it because I was more adamant on making my point than caring what people thought and felt. What I should have done (and try to do now) is to understand how people felt about the issue and shape my statements so that while I got my point across I didn’t directly antagonise people, on the contrary I would try to get them on my side while making my point.
You don’t have to be on the fence. You should have an opinion. But there’s no excuse for not understanding your audience / peers.
Something to think about away from the heat of the battle…
April 26th, 2009 at 10:09
@Red Ranter: Enough already RR. That is the same frakken song and dance you always shove in my face when I fight back a little. How often you have defended me and gone to bat for me like I’m Charles Fucking Manson or the Son of Sam? You make me sound like some bloody sociopath that needs to be coddled and treated with care or he will erupt like a volcano. And then if I do have mild eruption or if something rubs me wrong, I see very little support come my way. Like today. Instead of some support (because I believe I am right), I get berated by you and in the process, just made everything worse than it really was.
While you were away for months this site never seemed to have much of a problem with me. The only time there were problems with me, it was due to some troll who would come out of the blue and cause problems. Quite often I wrongfully did your job and all I got was grief from you and little thanks for trying to put out a fire while the fire department was away on vacation. I certainly wasn’t the royal shit disturber that you make me out to be.
Nope sorry, you are accusing me of a lot of petty bullshit that I am not going to confess to or apologize for. Not because I’m a prick or a troublemaker or because I am ungrateful and arrogant. It’s because you don’t get me and you don’t want to get me and you often berate me like you are scolding a child and I for one don’t appreciate it. I am 50 and I feel that anyone who is twice your age deserves a little more consideration, understanding and a whole lot more respect for his way of seeing things.
I rub you wrong sometimes and rather than try to see things my way, I instead am always wrong. And I don’t have hatred for people in your age group. Not at all. What I don’t like is the smug arrogant attitude young IT professionals or just young computer savvy individuals have with the Internet and their usage and redefining of it. A lot of smartasses who think they know a lot because they can play and manipulate a PC environment and hack into things while we old guys are clueless old farts in their eyes. Hey, I’m notinto Twitter or Facebook or any of that shit. Twitter is for twits and for a generation that seems to have far too much time on their hands and has this desire to be intrusive in everyones life and personal business. I don’t subscribe to that stuff, not because I am too old to handle it technically but because I think it borders on moronic behavior. You forget I spent ten years hiring guys of that age group for hundreds of positions and I know exactly how they think and how they act. So forgive me if I have a built in defense towards slangs and lazy abbreviations and Generation X code for all thing that interest or irritate them. I hate computer or geek life in it’s present format. My best friend is an IT guy in his early 30’s and his attitude and personality regarding computers and the language used on the Internet and in the IT industry is often insulting and very condescending. And he has felt my wrath many a time. Especially since I was responsible for getting him his 80k a year job. So stop making me out to be an out of touch old man who is bitter and angry towards those half his age. I’m not, but I will not sit and put up with computer language and lazy attitudes that are bred from it because it only piss me off and perplex people of my own age group. My generation would like to communicate with others on the Internet without reading an abbreviation or acronym after every second word written. Just accept that I was frustrated and fed up with it and deal with it without slapping my wrist.
Just because this is your site doesn’t make you always right, whether you think it does or it doesn’t. And spare me the argument that it’s your site so you are automatically right therefore if I don’t like it I can stuff it. This is your site but you should take some criticism in the proper way sometimes. Perhaps I have a point with all this and maybe, just maybe I know something you don’t. Trying to convince computer guys that they don’t know everything is a real chore these days. Humility in that arena is very much in short supply. I know you and some others may not think so, but I know I do. I am not always right but in this case, I had a valid point and I am going to stick by it and defend myself.
I have been a United fan for 30 years and the first time I heard the term ABU and what it means was last week. Accept that and respect it. Don’t talk down to me and berate me over my ignorance. I had a valid point for not liking abbreviations and slang acronyms being used. And you come back with North American ones like the MLB or NFL? oh and the UNESCO one was sweet. ABU is not a league, a business, a network or any kind of organization. It’s slang lazy term that means “Anybody but United”. It’s just as useless and as lazy as “WTF”, which I find I have even begun to use on your blog just because everybody else seems to do so. It’s not like I get barraged by British media on my radio and tv everyday and hear them using that term all day long do I? Sorry mate, but I had a valid reason to ask what it meant and then I had a reason to defend myself after a few poked fun at me about it. I then added my pet peeve of acronyms and abbreviations in sentences and paragraphs on line because it reminded me of how I hate reading posts that are littered with them.
This rant has gone on long enough and I’m sure I bored you around the third line. Suffice to say I do not like the “I defended you against such and such” card being played against me. It’s low and it’s unfair.
Believe it or not I do respect you and like you quite a bit. I will ask you about something now since we are baring our souls. What ever happened to that writing contest you invited all of us to partake in while you were on holidays? Did you ever think that many of us wonder why that was scrapped without an explanation? Then we notice another individual contributing to the site with his fine articles and I for one felt a little shunned and unappreciated. I feel I contributed a fine post for the competition and I have many others that I would love to contribute which are not rude or intended to piss anyone off but just to inform and foster debate. Yet I nor anyone else ever heard anything about it. Many had commented in jest or in seriousness that I was a strong candidate as the winning contributor and although I was never counting my chickens before they were hatched, I can’t help but feel the reason it was scrapped was because of me. Call me paranoid but I have an intuition about things and I am often right. Anyway, no problem with that but I for one was hoping to get a chance to contribute that way, but I never got the chance nor an explanation. Perhaps you didn’t want to open Pandora’s Box when it comes to me, but I think others who made the effort to submit something deserve an answer. So what happened to that? Sorry for bringing that up but while I am hear defending myself and feeling mightily pissed off, I feel I might as well get that frustration and disappointment off my chest.
And now the good news….I’m finished.
April 26th, 2009 at 10:19
@Ahmed: Unbelievable. I’m getting it form sites I don’t even visit. Out of line mate. Way out of line. I haven’t seen or heard you offer up anything on this site in months but you come out of the woodwork to support your buddy and to call me “a bit over emotional”. Anybody in my shoes would be after this gang bang I’m getting. You may mean well but frankly, it’s none of your business and I for one feel very insulted that you would come out of nowhere and let me have it when you know fuck all about me or my intentions. That’s it, I think I’ve had enough and taken far too much tonight for my liking. I apologize to all the rest of you out there for having to tolerate this crap. I certainly never wanted it and I certainly will not be talked down to like I’m some idiotic child that has no manners or common sense when he converses online. I never antagonized anyone directly today. I never mentioned names. I asked a question and then pointed out a pet peeve. For that horrendous criminal act I have been crucified by people that I respect. Incredibly hurtful, but then again, I’m a bit over emotional. Like that was gong to be taken well by me.
April 26th, 2009 at 10:27
Grog: Firstly, I apologize for having the temerity to call you up particularly being a relative newbie on this site but, if I may say so, you do be going to a bit mental on this.
For the record, as far as the competition goes, I think you would be a bloody good contributor to the site
April 26th, 2009 at 10:46
@Grognard: I can believe that after one of the most eventfuls games of the year and when we are facing a CL (sorry, Champions League) semi final the forum has been taken over by a spat between Gronard and Red Ranter. You are both great contributors to the forum but you should get over with your personal animosity issues and focus on what matters to most of us in the forum: our team
April 26th, 2009 at 10:47
@Ahmed: I am pretty sure this is a case of completely misunderstood notions. I contend everything I did here was well intentioned without a single line meant to either berate or make fun of. But may I suggest, your contribution on this issue at this moment in time, while perhaps well intentioned to defuse tension, may only contribute to aggravate things here.
@Grognard:
I read the whole thing. I can quite easily respond to most of it but you are quite pissed off right now, and I suspect my response is not appropriate to print over here because we’ve veered well off topic.
April 26th, 2009 at 10:47
@Grognard: Maybe you should take a page out of your own book, and try to understand us, the way you came across about this acronym was that, all abbreviations are bad, and only idiots for the younger generations use them.
You might not have wanted to sound like that, but you did, your a good person, but i dont really care if your 15 or 50, im treating you just the same as anyone else, you are not above anyone on this site.
When someone points something out to you, you almost always, take it as if they are belittling you. I think you owe RR an apology, because he has stuck up for you for months now, but ask your self, why is it always you, why not me, or craig or matt? its because you always get your self in positions like this, you are to sensitive, to proud, and often to stubborn.
Thats my view anyway, take it or leave it.
April 26th, 2009 at 10:52
@Grognard: it is, Ahmed’s site after all grognard, i suspect he reads through it more often then not.
You are right, you didnt mention names, but the way you where going on about the younger generation wasnt nice.
95% of the people on this site are apart of that generation, did you really expect us to take it well?
April 26th, 2009 at 11:04
@Grognard: I am glad you brought the ABU up. I hadn’t a clue, and I was hoping somewhere I might be enlightened. Thanks, and I enjoy your comments, even if I do skim through due to ADD..
April 26th, 2009 at 11:11
@Dan: Er, it’s not his site. RR is a partner site of soccerlens, although he does a lot of background admin/tech work for this site.
April 26th, 2009 at 11:14
@Dan: Mate. The last thing I want here is someone telling someone else that they owe me an apology. He doesn’t owe me an apology for anything nor have I asked. I appreciate your effort to try to make peace. But please stay out of this.
Cheers.
April 26th, 2009 at 11:23
Also new post up. Hopefully that will end this sparring.
April 26th, 2009 at 11:27
@Red Ranter: Wasnt he the one that started it..
April 26th, 2009 at 11:32
@Dan: We started it together but he doesn’t own it. There’s a difference.
April 26th, 2009 at 11:54
@Red Ranter: fair play, i thought you were a mere poster like my self when it started lol
April 26th, 2009 at 23:23
@frankie: Errrrr Frankie, Red Ranter or RR OWNS this forum mate, it is his site, and Grog and most of us on here don’t mind the spats.
. Sorry if it effects you though, but you’ll have to toughen up on this hearty debate forum mate 
.
April 26th, 2009 at 23:31
@Red Ranter: Nothing wrong with acronyms, I love them personally, and people will express themselves as they will! You know a lot of acronyms are a form of endearment, a form of secret language code between groups of fans, gotta love it
.
April 26th, 2009 at 23:33
@Babyface: Wes Brown is back, he is solid, and he is immense. Hope he is over his injuries now
. We need him up to speed. 
April 26th, 2009 at 23:36
@Babyface: WTF Bro?
.
April 29th, 2009 at 2:45
@Grognard: I had prepared a response to your long diss…ertation
on Anderson, but I lost it by neglecting to put my name and email( which is saved on my personal cpu)on a public cpu.