Jan 19
Manchester City vs Manchester United: Preview
The Carling Cup semi final first leg is here, its Manchester United versus Manchester City, and it promises to be a mouth-watering encounter. City are in decent form, whereas United are in a crisis according to the media, but who will come out on top? Will Carlos Tevez score against his former team? Or will we prove that there is only one team in Manchester?
Not having won any silverware for 34 years the city’s other team will be out with something to prove and Sir Alex Ferguson is not taking them lightly, “You have to recognise they (Manchester City) are a competitor now. They are making a much better fist of their league programme this year than they have done in the past. We have had to wait a long time for it to be like that. It’s a popular argument that the match means more to City. As far as I am concerned it is a semi-final,” stated Ferguson.
A semi final indeed, in 34 years City have seen United lift 25 major trophies, and Sir Alex as seen 13 City managers come and go. Newly appointed Roberto Mancini realises the importance of winning that elusive trophy, “I am new in Manchester City, so the trophy is important to me. But the same is true for the players and the club because when you start to win trophies, you change your mentality, we want the Carling Cup. But it must only be the start,” said the Italian.
The team selection could be interesting on United’s part. Sir Alex did say before the first attempt to play the fixture he would stick with the kids and there should be no reason to doubt him, or should there. We have been in terrible form and a settled line up could well be just what we need.
Edwin van der Sar should continue in goal, making his 200th appearance for United, as it would be unproductive to leave him out after one game. Tomasz Kuszczak will likely be keeping the bench warm as Ben Foster has a back complaint.
In defence, Nemanja Vidic could make a return to the first team, along side either Wes Brown or Jonny Evans, more likely the latter given Brown’s lack of form recently. Patrice Evra at left back is a no-brainer and Gary Neville, our Club Captain should keep his place, despite the lackluster performance against Burnley. Rio Ferdinand and John O’Shea are still out.
Being away from home, Sir Alex would likely field a five-man midfield. In the centre, Michael Carrick and Anderson accompanied by Darren Fletcher, who returns from suspension. Antonio Valencia has been in sparkling form of late and will look to terrorize the City defence. On the left either Gabriel Obertan or Ji-Sung Park, considering Park’s lack of playing time, he will probably get the nod. Giggs is being rested for this one.
Wayne Rooney cannot be looked past for the lone striker role. Michael Owen or Mame Biram Diouf will make a cameo at some point in the game. Dimitar Bebatov has a dead leg.
City go into the tie missing a number of players, obviously Adebayor is on compassionate leave. Wayne Bridge and Joleon Lescott are out with knee injuries, Santa Cruz and Patrick Vieira are out with calf injuries and Kolo Toure is on African Cup of Nations duty.
One player who is itching to play is Carlos Tevez, I want to play in this match for many reasons,” Tevez said. “The squad is confident, morale is high and if we get a victory over United it will be sensational.” It remains to be seen if the Argentine can score. Something he failed to do in the 4-3 game earlier this season.
Interestingly enough the last three Manchester derbies at Eastlands have ended 1-0, twice in United’s favour and under Sir Alex Ferguson United have contested seven League Cup semi-finals, reaching the final on six occasions.
It promises to be an intriguing tie, but a difficult one. Lets hope we can take an advantage to Old Trafford next week and finish them off on our own patch.
Prediction: 2-1 City
Probable Line Up: van der Sar, Evra, Evans, Vidic, Neville, Park, Anderson, Carrick, Fletcher, Valencia, Rooney.
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Also see: Manchester United v Manchester City preview.
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at least we are linked to him
http://goal.com/en/news/12/spain/2010/01/18/1751319/real-madrid-negotiate-with-racing-santander-over-sergio
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omg i hope this is not true
http://goal.com/en/news/9/england/2010/01/18/1751497/report-glazers-ask-players-
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@ROOOOONEY: We are not going to sign anyone, we have a big squad which lack quality but a big squad. For we we need to sell the deadwood and space wasters and reinvest in genuine quality but that if it does happen will not be until the summer.
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@ROOOOONEY: I’m on the Canales bandwagon but with Diouf likely to get playing time and still not forgetting Macheda and Welbeck (loan them out I say), there’s little chance of him joining us.
I just hope he doesn’t join Arsenal, Real or Liverpool.
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Sometimes you just have to love stats
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Manchester United’s record with Dimitar Berbatov in the starting XI is 34 points from 13 games. Their record without him is 13 points from nine games. That’s 2.6 points per game v 1.44 points per game.
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@NicoQB: Welbeck showed some nice stuff in the reserves but every time i see him play for the first team he is just uhh…. Blah? I don’t know whats going on with him and Macheda is injured last i heard. but a loan out sounds good.
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With all due respect to the rivalry between the two clubs, it is only the Carling Cup and we have bigger fish to fry. I do not want us to risk any injuries so I’d prefer we did not play a full strength team and ideally rested Rooney, Vidic and EVDS as they have a tendency to pick up injuries and as for Rooney he has been overplayed and we are incredibly reliant on him this season.
My preferred team would be:
Kuz, Neville, Evans, Brown, Evra, Carrick, Anderson, Fletcher, Nani, Owen, Welbeck
Played as a 4-3-3 with Welbeck and Nani cutting inside and posing a goal threat.
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ROOONEY I agree but you need to give youngsters games and the only way to do that is to treat the domestic cups as of secondary importance. It is unfair to switch to a full strength side the moment we get to the semis. Instead we should use them to give games to squad and fringe players. That is why I want Nani and Welbeck to play and especially Michael Owen!!!!
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http://www.goal.com/en/news/12/spain/2010/01/19/1751803/barcelona-make-signing-wayne-rooney-top-priority-report
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NicoQB did it occur to you that we only play two men up front in the easier games and especially the home games which we would be expected to win anyway? That is the main reason for the statistic you presented. Certainly Berbatov hasn’t helped us win games much in terms of goals or even assists this season. Maybe he has a knee injury and that is affecting his performances, because he is even less effective than last season. But time is not on his side and sooner or later we are going to have to consider cashing in before his value takes a big drop.
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http://www.goal.com/en/news/11/transfer-zone/2010/01/19/1751785/report-real-madrid-star-kaka-set-for-milan-return
Madrid is a complete joke.
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I think Fergie will play a strong squad sheerly based on the adversity involved. Though even i would prefer if Roo is given a rest with berba. Owen with welbeck/diouf might be a good try. Neville on the right might get into trouble with Bellamy though. Brown on the right with Vidic, Evans in the middle might be a much better option.
We are really not scoring impressive goals. Even with Burnley the scoreline was pretty deceiving and we were still lucky to get away as usual. One of these days we are going to receive a good beating and I PRAY it wont be against Milan!!!
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But i can see few others given chance, hope our youngsters beat them, Everton showed us how to do… Just dont give them time to play, So Anderson surely fits the bill, but who other can do it, if we can keep cap on de jong and barry, match is surely won..
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@godzilla: Ya i also expect people to be rested for the weekend, Premier league is surely a bigger fish, but all depends on fergie, hope we play positive, also does anyone know which channel is telecasting in India..
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“It doesn’t matter about money, it’s always about loyalty. United are the team I supported and the team I played for and I just couldn’t bring myself to sign for City.”
Beckham. True red.
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@colver: Ya thats because of our coward tactics… I still think we can retain ball better with 2 strikers upfront, especially with berba there, he is enough to irritate defenders…
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In other news, Di Maria would like to play for United, and Benfica have lined up his replacement for the summer. Huntelaar could come on loan till the end of the season too, which would give us a nice attacking option.
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@colver: The team I want:
VDS
Rafael Vidic Ferdinand Evra
Valencia Anderson Fletcher Nani
Rooney Berbatov
The team we’ll get
PIG
Neville Brown Evans Evra
Park Fletcher Anderson Gibson Giggs
Rooney
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@Traverse: Fergie never considers a player whom he has ignored before… so huntelaar seems difficult, Also fergie never buys players who say they want to play for us…. so both are gone…
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Forget the transfer rumours. I would love to add Di Maria and Huntelaar to our ranks as well as Krasic, Neuer/Akinfeev and Kjaer, it ain’t happening. If we do any business this summer I do not anticipate us spending more than £20 million and because you cannot buy peanuts for that in today’s market, it is likely we will just waste more money on a couple of unproven youngsters.
I do not understand why we are not going to play Owen. This is a game made for him. City are still suspect defensively and they will try and attack us, which will leave gaps for Owen to exploit. City are playing a 4-4-2 and our central midfield can match theirs.
To be honest I do not really care about the result. I do not take the domestic cups seriously. But I would at least like us to serve up some entertaining football and turn it into an open, attacking game.
I like your team Traverse although as I mentioned earlier with a long season ahead I’d want to take the chance to rest players. But I do not think it is a game for Berbatov. He has disappointed every single time he plays in a big game. He seems more comfortable pulling the strings against weak opposition where he gets more time and space to operate. Also our main strength is still pace and when we play at top speed we still cause even big teams problems and Berbatov slows us down.
Good call on Rafael. City have a lot of pace in attack and Neville doesn’t have the legs anymore.
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We are signing a noggie Centre Half. Even Hovland. redcafe reports. nothing official… yet.
And bloody hell, is it true Canales is an attacking midfielder, not a forward? With that kind of scoring record I’m muy felicidad for us to be linked with him!
But I can picture us to propose a buy and loan him back to santader, just like we tried to do with Ramsey (
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In this light Arsenal could be able to propose him instant playing time, which we will not be able to… unless he is really an attacking midfielder.
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NicoQB, Canales does sound like a good prospect and we are crying out for a good attacking midfielder with Giggs near retirement. But I’d imagine he’ll end up at Real Madrid, as most young Spanish kids seem to want to play for Real. If he doesn’t choose Real I agree Arsenal would seem a more likely destination with the Spanish connection through Fabregas and their history of bringing youngsters through.
I also doubt we have the money! If we couldn’t stump up £10 million for Ljajic, how can we buy this kid at a similar fee?
From what I’ve read on redcafe this young central defender is injury prone and we have enough injury prone defenders!
It does seem to be a sign of our financial troubles that we only seem to be able to afford to buy in the Scandinavian markets!!!
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Neville would get raped by bellamy if he played !!! And if he plays, I hope this is the last game he plays for Utd.. Time to leave sentiments and drop the dead wood frm the squad..
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David, ‘ and it promises to be a mouth-watering encounter ” Really. with a 4-5-1 formation and with nevville and park in it. Still i’ll stay late and watch the game since i am united through and through.
Berba should be rested and we stick owen/diouf in thea box to maximize on the gaps that city will leave us as they try to attack.
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@colver: The difference between Canales and Ljajic is that canales is playing at a good league and is proving himself however i still want silva
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Rumour in the mail that City are getting Flamini on loan with a view to buy.
I’m starting to worry. It will take time but I can see City surpassing us in a season or two, especially if our financial situation remains the way it is. Also Im wondering why we didn’t make an effort to sign Flamini on loan especially as Hargreaves is unlikely to return from injury.
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Does anyone from India know if the game is on today?
I cant find it in the Ten Sports listing
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I’m sure this isn’t an original idea, but what is stopping The club from selling the matches on the Internet for pay per view? I’m assuming the current tv deal is a stumbling block, but is that something that would be possible in the future?
How much would you be willing to pay for a quality reliable stream? £1? I think that’s reasonable, plus the rest of the world would be able to watch every single game.
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@colver: I agree I have been banging on about Flamini for ages, he would give our midfield some bite as we are a Milan we might as well take Huntelaar on loan too.
Why do City need him they have Barry, Veira, Kompany and De Jong already we have fucking Anderson….
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If you can’t watch this game on the tv you can try free live streams(English commentary ofc)
It’s Polish site, just scroll down for the streams
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I think we will see:
PIG
Rafael Vidic Evans Fabio
Park Anderson Fletcher Gibson Nani
Rooney
-mixing the young and old… I can’t see neville starting since he played Saturday and will need rest.
I am not sure if Fabio/Nani is a good idea but having anyone else on LM than Nani will be a shame. Park is needed since we have Rafael.
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@radzio: if you are in charge of the site redlog.pl — it seems very buggy on Safari on Mac OS X.
I use:
1. http://www.redlog.pl
2. http://www.iraqgoals.net
3. http://www.veetle.com (limited to Fox Soccer Channel and possibly Sky Sports broadcasts, but in high quality, generally)
4. TVUplayer for Mac OS (version 1.1.x)
5. http://www.myp2p.eu as a last resort (should work well on Windows tho)
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I hope for
VDS
Rafael Evans Brown Evra
Valencia Anderson Fletcher Nani/Obertan
Rooney Diouf
But im sure we will see the parks of this world…
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@Vivek: its on Zee sports @ 1.30 am. cheers!!
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@RichmondRed: Just in case you don’t go back to the old thread, I have included my reply to you here regarding our Glazer’s conversation.
I was one of those who felt like you about the owners until about a year and a half ago. My worries really started by our inactivity in the transfer market the summer we got Berbatov. All the talk about getting somebody up front and even some other players was making me sick in anticipation and then the season started and nothing had happened.
The clue for me that Fergie was for the first time working with a very strict budget was the day he got Berbatov. He was desperate to get him but he also knew he could not afford him if Man City entered the negotiations and managed to meet him and possibly seduce him. So he jumped in his Vauxhall and sped for the airport to basically beat City to the punch. As we know now, Berba always preferred us but Fergie was worried that the scum might be able to persuade him with some really big offer. For me that looked like a lot of desperation and something I would never have expected Fergie to do in the past. In the past he would get his checkbook out and negotiate and he would never go to such extreme measures to sign a player. Well as we know for good or for bad, he got his man but the way he and to scramble on deadline day to do it spoke to me of how limited he was in his financial capabilities to do anything in the transfer market. And I knew as this loan debt grew, that it would only get worse but even I did not think that it would get this bad.
Actually, yes I did know it would get this bad but the truth is I did not want to believe it and I just brushed aside because like you said, under the Glazer ’s ownership, the club has won a lot of silverware and that alone helped us cope with the inevitability of things as well, it helped the Glazer’s do what they are doing by putting a veil over everything that is hurting this club. The Ronaldo sale finally exposed them for who they are and for what the situation is and my biggest fears have come true. Now it’s anybody’s guess as to what happens from here on. As Fergie would often say about big games, “It’s squaeky bum time”.
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@[OPTI]Madschester United: why am I being moderated? Too many links?
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@colver: We may have bigger fish to fry but this particular fish is at least on the hook and we need to reel it in for club and supporter morale at a time when things are looking very bleak indeed. If one is a true realist, this will be our only crack at silverware this season. I do not and will not believe that this club has at present the needed quality in it’s starting eleven to win the premier League and it has no chance at winning the European Cup. We have played nobody of any consequence so far in Europe. Although I think we can take care of Milan, losing to them is a very real possibility as they are now playing very good football and have some key players like Beckham and especially Ronaldinho in outstanding form for them. Can I see us honestly beat the Barca’s, Chelsea, Real Madrid’s, Bayern’s or Inters of the world? No I don’t. I think we would be hard pressed right now to beat Bordeaux, Lyon, Arsenal and Port who are in that second tier of class teams. Not impossible but highly unlikely unless we were to sign a player or two that would elevate our class a bit. That’s not going to happen and so Europe is a wash for me.
We still have a shot at the Prem, but a lot of things will have to go our way in order for us to win. Chelsea and Arsenal will have to squander points by taking teams lightly and we can no longer afford to lose games and drop points to minnows. Beat all the minnows and limit our losses in the second half to two or three and we may have a shot because frankly, Chelsea and Arsenal also have issues and they are not as good as many may think. I do think however that they both have a better starting eleven than us. Where we beat them is in our depth. So far Chelsea does not seem affected by the African tournament, so I think they will be a tough nut to crack. Arsenal I think have all the quality but they still lack a goalkeeper who is a game saver and as long Aluminum Foil is between the pipes for them, they are capable of mediocrity.
Any way you look at it, the Carling Cup for me is worthless but it may be the only real chance we have of celebrating anything this season. I say the club goes for it and really tries hard to win it with their “A Team”.
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@owen: Rooney isn’t going anywhere mate. Unless Rooney comes out and says he’s had it with United, he is going nowhere. Fergie loves him, nearly all the fans other than my buddy Craig love him and he loves the team and the fans. For him to go it would be a suicidal sale by the Glazer’s which would be the final catalyst for a major riots similar to the riot over the selling of Roberto Baggio by Fiorentina years ago. Rooney is really the heart and soul of this club and losing him would be a deadly blow.
If he were to go, I think he too would choose Real Madrid because contrary to what many may think, he is quite friendly with Ronaldo and Ronaldo has already made a plea for Madrid to go after him. Madrid would also be in the best bargaining position if the sale was completely up to Fergie. This would allow Fergie to get his man Benzema whereas Barca can only offer money. This opens a Pandora’s Box of possibilities I think. Do the glazer’s go for an all money deal and risk more contempt, alienation and threats or do they take say 45 or 5o million and allow Fergie to get Benzema? They alsio have to tread carefully as to not force Fergie to finally quit out of disgust. So although I od not see this ever happening, if it does happen, it will be with Madrid and Benzema will be part of the deal.
Now I am no fan of Benzema although I do believe he is a talent. The scenario for me is not probable but for the sake of argument, I would consider selling Rooney for 70 million or 50 million and Benzema if the remainder of the money went to Fergie for players. We have all said this before when it comes to Ronaldo’ sale but of course we know what happened to that money. To be honest, as much as I like Rooney, I have to say in all honesty that i believe his form is dipping a bit and his smoking will only curtail his career. I am also incredibly tired of watching this team play and it’s characteristics on the pitch has a lot to do with the kind of players we have, not just the tactics Fergie uses. Therefore, two or three new world class player could be bought with 70 million which would also change the look and feel of the club and this alone might make it fun to watch United again. Right now they are a boring team and Rooney for me is their best player but clearly not the player he was even three seasons ago. His goal tally is high but his misses are even higher and his passing and focus seems to have gone out the window. Could be a temporary thing but I still feel, a new look and feel for this club is just what we need.
Along with Rooney I would get rid of Rio because of his age and back problems, sell Vidic if he doesn’t want to stay and buy Kjaer or Rodwell or both as replacements. I’d also send Anderson, Foster Tosic and Berbatov packing and demand that EVDS, Neville and Scholes retire. No secret about my feelings and assessment of Anderson. Tosic is a tosser and Berba I personally love as a player but for me, he just isn’t working out. Then again, if you sell Rooney and replace him with somebody else who blends better with Berba and who also forces Fergie to change tactics to a more aggressive attacking style, I think Berba could impress. But perhaps him leaving would be the best thing. I am not a Park fan but we need to sell jersey’s to Asia so keep him on the bench.
So who do I bring in? Well with 70 million from a Rooney sale we could get a Benzema, a Neuer and a Krasic.
Now add a total of 25 to 30 million for all the other players sold and the money saved on salaries to the old players that retire and you could buy Kjaer, Rodwell and that elusive attacking midfielder we all salivate over. Many love Silva, I still prefer Gourcuff but Fergie seems interested in Marek Hamsik. Whoever it might be, other than goalkeeper, it is the position we need to fill the most. Our midfield right now is our major Achilles Heel. Buying players for other positions are fine but until we get a creative midfielder in the middle, our attack will continue to not only sputter, but also be predictable. A midfield of Krasic, Fletcher, Hamsik/Gourcuff and Nani for me would be a dynamic and highly successful one. I still believe in Nani but United has to revert to it’s playing style of 07/08 in order to bring the best out of him. That is why I still would like for us to keep him. If Fergie is not going to be fair to the lad, then add another 10 million to our transfer coffers. Getting Di Maria would then become a priority as left wing is a tough position to fill and there are not many who are good enough. For me Obertan is not the answer.
Despite all our financial problems, if Fergie was truly creative, he could rebuild this team through the selling of players the forced retirement of a few and the reinvestment in players who are not only world class, but who would want to play for us. Incidentally, Huntelaar has come out and asked United or Arsenal if they still would like him. Well I still would like him and i would be over the moon if we were to get him. But we still need to find players who can properly service hi, or Berba, or Benzema etc. This is all possible provided the Glazer’s leave the money allotted for players alone. Now how much of what I wrote will happen? I say none of it, and that there leaves me feeling hopeless and very down. The thought of Neuer, Rodwell, Kjaer, Krasic, Goucuff or Hamsik, Benzema or Huntelaar being part of our team of the future leaves me with real hope. On the othe rhand, a team with EVDS, Foster, Neville, Rio, Anderson, Scholes, Carrick, Valencia, Obertan, Tosic, Berbatov and Rooney leaves me very little to excited about. In fact, those players are just incredibly stale and boring as a unit. It’s time for drastic changes. And like I said, all possible if the Glazer’s leave Fergie alone with the money he gets from the sale of players.
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@owen: They have no concept about building a team with chemistry. Players who are not just good, but who blend well together. The club has no role players and it’s over saturated with attack minded stars, no quality defenders and no quality midfielders who can control and maintain a balance in a game. Yet, when they want to be, they can still be very scary and very entertaining. The problem with Kaka is that he has become lazy, and he has always been way overrated in my opinion. I have never really gotten it when it comes to the praise he gets. As far as skilled and creative players go, Kaka has always bored me to tears. I don’t know why, but it’s just the case. I never liked Ronaldinho either but at least I could see what was great about him in his best days. Kaka, just seems half asleep to me.
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COME ON LET’S GET INTO THE LIARS!
Lets hope Robinho plays also, well one can wish right! 
Lets put the liars to the sword or in modern day terms, the baseball bat!
This game means more to shitty than it does to US,We are Manchester United not only the biggest club in Manchester, but the world,END OFF.
Thats a claim the liars will never ever be able to make.
Lets be quite clear lads there weakness is on their left hand side, so lets get going at Garrido, and dont let Given roll the ball out cos as sure as fuck when he kicks it, it will be coming straight back at him
Mancini will have altered the team set up after their delightfull humilation at the hands of the Big team in Liverpool, it will be more defensive,I hope we can replicate that industrious performance, hunt the bastards down, so Darren would be good in the starting line up.
I really want and demand we put out a strong strong side tonight, from the fucking beginning, not sitting on the bench.We as you all know play Hull at OT on Saturday so let the second eleven take care of them.
I beg you Sir Alex, am sure he will read this
Please please No J sung or Red nev, let them rest till say 2015, and thats not quarter past eight.
Come on lads give us all something to cheer about and dance around our rooms/terraces/pubs, where we watch.
My prediction scoring draw—-Head
My prediction shitty 1 US 3—Heart
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@godzilla: I will say this right now. If we start Welbeck, Gibson and Anderson in this game, we will lose. I have no doubt of this. In fact, Welbeck should not even be in the stadium in order for us to have a chance.
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@Grognard: +1
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@Grognard: “Welbeck should not even be in the stadium in order for us to have a chance”
Grog – our senses of humor do not always coincide, but I liked this one.
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@adie: No Zee Sports in TATA SKY…
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@taehr: spot on m8, the very side i had in my minds eye, lets not fuck about tonite just kill the tie tonite, and extiguish there pretences.
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live stream to this match:
http://tv.indonewyork.com
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@Jim: All joking aside, I don’t know if I’ve seen a player with less passion on the ball than Welbeck. Berbatov may look lazy and languid but when the ball is actually at his feet, he works hard and is very creative. Welbeck look like he belongs in the movie Zombieland. He just looks like he’s not all there. He has some skill but his lack of heart and a brain as well as no scorers instinct hurts him and hurts me when I have to watch him. I used to think he had promise but now all I want is Fergie to promise to sell him.
In fairness to Welbeck though, he needs to be played as a striker and not a left winger where he truly sucks.
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@Scotjimland: Ya if we can thump them today we can play kids on the second leg, but it seems diff… as we always make the meal of every game…
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@Grognard: Whats the news in injury front as we haven’t heard about hargreaves and macheda from sometime…
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Watch Manchester United vs Manchester City Live Streams here of England carling cup on 19 janu 2010
LIVE LINK:
http://livesoccer-stream.blogspot.com/2010/01/watch-manchester-united-vs-manchester.html
Online Soccer:
http://onlinesports-channel.blogspot.com/2010/01/watch-manchester-united-vs-manchester.html
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@despicable: aye I understand what you mean regards making it hard going, all I really mean, they will be really up for it, because its Manchester United at Wastelands, it means more to that shite, to beat us than to actually win the cup( something they havent done in 25 years) Lets do it tonite, Il rephrase that
Just finish the job, tonite! you know it makes sense.
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