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	<title>Comments on: Manchester United 08/09 Season Review &#8211; Part I: The Attack</title>
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		<title>By: United Ticket Agency</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 20:38:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spot on about Rooney and Ronaldo, but Tevez definitely deserves a better mark than Berbatov, his effort and work rate and crucial goals had more of an impact on our season.</description>
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		<title>By: Red Ranter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Red Ranter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 18:15:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-64541&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Alan&lt;/a&gt;: No. I was actually fair to him till he started opening his mouth. It was plain obvious to everyone that he was not started in enough games. Any player with little self respect would be unhappy with that. I would have backed Tevez to the hilt if he&#039;d kept his thoughts to himself or to Fergie than try to play the victim card. Sorry, it doesn&#039;t take a rocket scientist to discern the problem with his contract -- it didn&#039;t need Tevez to ram the &quot;I am the victim in this&quot; card down our throats, not once, but several times. That too, to any random radio station/press outlet that cared to ask him. I could see that in December itself. Talking to the media about &quot;ill-treatment&quot; would be his agent/owner&#039;s job.

Also to think everything would be quiet and we would somehow one morning wake up to see he is in man city blue and not having seen that coming is very naive. There are agents/owners that can send quotes into the press to ensure this sort of deal does not go quietly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-64541" rel="nofollow">Alan</a>: No. I was actually fair to him till he started opening his mouth. It was plain obvious to everyone that he was not started in enough games. Any player with little self respect would be unhappy with that. I would have backed Tevez to the hilt if he&#8217;d kept his thoughts to himself or to Fergie than try to play the victim card. Sorry, it doesn&#8217;t take a rocket scientist to discern the problem with his contract &#8212; it didn&#8217;t need Tevez to ram the &#8220;I am the victim in this&#8221; card down our throats, not once, but several times. That too, to any random radio station/press outlet that cared to ask him. I could see that in December itself. Talking to the media about &#8220;ill-treatment&#8221; would be his agent/owner&#8217;s job.</p>
<p>Also to think everything would be quiet and we would somehow one morning wake up to see he is in man city blue and not having seen that coming is very naive. There are agents/owners that can send quotes into the press to ensure this sort of deal does not go quietly.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 17:18:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-64502&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Grognard&lt;/a&gt;: Find me a player who was so influential (like almost single-handedly) and inspirational in helping a club fight a seemingly impossible relegation survival, in this case West Ham. Find me a player who dare to join a brazilian club and in just 1 year he won them a trophy and won himself the Brazilian footballer of the year, in this case Corinthian. Find me a player who can win 3 times in a row South American Footballer of the year, the last and only player who did this is the legendary all time best Chile footballer Figueroa.

I bet present day only Messi has the ability and talent to achieve what Tevez has achieved. Not even Torres, Rooney, Ronaldo, Berbatov and all other World-Class players that you mentioned can achieve that. It takes a special type of world-class player to do that. If you want to ignore all these, suit yourself.

If you doubt his skill, how would you explain how the hell did he scored that superb second goal against Fulham? Fluke? How about that goal against Man City? How about him get past 2 defenders including Dunne in that games? How about that flick against Wigan? You think that was an easy goal? That flick was from a shot from Carrick, not a pass at all. It took tremendous quick respond, instinctive, strong and incredible skill to flick to the left side of the goal with an almost 90 degree angle.

Tevez&#039;s skill is different than others that it was somewhat raw, or you can call that natural. Not like others, others sometimes try to be &quot;too clever&quot; for eg Berbatov. Tevez uses his instinct or intuition more.

If you still have doubt, doesn&#039;t matter, like i said, just wait and see. Hope he joins a new club to see if you will eat your words. :lol:  Staying with Man Utd Tevez will forever be second best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-64502" rel="nofollow">Grognard</a>: Find me a player who was so influential (like almost single-handedly) and inspirational in helping a club fight a seemingly impossible relegation survival, in this case West Ham. Find me a player who dare to join a brazilian club and in just 1 year he won them a trophy and won himself the Brazilian footballer of the year, in this case Corinthian. Find me a player who can win 3 times in a row South American Footballer of the year, the last and only player who did this is the legendary all time best Chile footballer Figueroa.</p>
<p>I bet present day only Messi has the ability and talent to achieve what Tevez has achieved. Not even Torres, Rooney, Ronaldo, Berbatov and all other World-Class players that you mentioned can achieve that. It takes a special type of world-class player to do that. If you want to ignore all these, suit yourself.</p>
<p>If you doubt his skill, how would you explain how the hell did he scored that superb second goal against Fulham? Fluke? How about that goal against Man City? How about him get past 2 defenders including Dunne in that games? How about that flick against Wigan? You think that was an easy goal? That flick was from a shot from Carrick, not a pass at all. It took tremendous quick respond, instinctive, strong and incredible skill to flick to the left side of the goal with an almost 90 degree angle.</p>
<p>Tevez&#8217;s skill is different than others that it was somewhat raw, or you can call that natural. Not like others, others sometimes try to be &#8220;too clever&#8221; for eg Berbatov. Tevez uses his instinct or intuition more.</p>
<p>If you still have doubt, doesn&#8217;t matter, like i said, just wait and see. Hope he joins a new club to see if you will eat your words. <img src='http://redrants.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif' alt=':lol:' class='wp-smiley' />   Staying with Man Utd Tevez will forever be second best.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 16:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-64524&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Red Ranter&lt;/a&gt;: Yeah, in fact I really hope that he moves on, joins other club. What I am trying to do here is just trying to make a point to some people: just be fair to him. 

And since you said: none of all these justifies the constant whingeing to the press, I also want to say: if he didn&#039;t say anything to the press, EVERYONE would never understand anything behind-the-scene. I bet he wouldn&#039;t want to keep quiet on the &quot;suspicious&quot; unfair treatment of the club to him. Saying all this was just to let people understand. I can understand, albeit not much. But some people choose to ignore it (because they love the club very much?). If he kept quiet and suddenly switched club and never said anything about how the club treated him, what would most of the fans think? Most fans would not understand and would immediately brand him betrayer. Can you see it now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-64524" rel="nofollow">Red Ranter</a>: Yeah, in fact I really hope that he moves on, joins other club. What I am trying to do here is just trying to make a point to some people: just be fair to him. </p>
<p>And since you said: none of all these justifies the constant whingeing to the press, I also want to say: if he didn&#8217;t say anything to the press, EVERYONE would never understand anything behind-the-scene. I bet he wouldn&#8217;t want to keep quiet on the &#8220;suspicious&#8221; unfair treatment of the club to him. Saying all this was just to let people understand. I can understand, albeit not much. But some people choose to ignore it (because they love the club very much?). If he kept quiet and suddenly switched club and never said anything about how the club treated him, what would most of the fans think? Most fans would not understand and would immediately brand him betrayer. Can you see it now?</p>
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		<title>By: Red Ranter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Red Ranter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 16:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-64514&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Alan&lt;/a&gt;: Yes that man is Fergie. And under him he is unlikely to become world class. So there&#039;s no point signing him. We can&#039;t surely sack Fergie now, can we? So it&#039;s good for all parties concerned that he be moved on. However, none of all this justifies the constant whingeing to the press. I&#039;ve put enough thought to this argument, since you asked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-64514" rel="nofollow">Alan</a>: Yes that man is Fergie. And under him he is unlikely to become world class. So there&#8217;s no point signing him. We can&#8217;t surely sack Fergie now, can we? So it&#8217;s good for all parties concerned that he be moved on. However, none of all this justifies the constant whingeing to the press. I&#8217;ve put enough thought to this argument, since you asked.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 16:18:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-64488&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Grognard&lt;/a&gt;: Have you people ever thought why you (yes you!) think Tevez is not worth the money 25m or 32m (or whatever price it is)? Why people think it that way? based on what? Based on performance and scoring record like this season Tevez scored 5 league goals, 15 goals in total. 

When people see the performance or statistics of him are below expectation, they will mostly think Tevez is not worth the price. But what surprise me is that, these people never think of the reason why Tevez&#039;s performance suddenly became &quot;unexpectedly&quot; low (thus not worth the price). They just keep saying Tevez is not worth that much, but never find out why Tevez&#039;s performance seemed to have dropped. They think Tevez&#039;s statistics are not good just because of his own doing, but ignore the fact that there was one man who made all the selection that VERY LIKELY affect his performance. That man is Fergie. 

Think about it. A good player never drastically has his performance dropped suddenly without reason. In fact some of you can see Tevez wasn&#039;t that bad after all, especially the last few games when he got to PLAY MORE REGULARLY. Before that (be4 FA CUP Semi-Final), it was &quot;irregular play&quot; for him, Fergie did this to him.

Can you see it clearly now? Can you see why you say he isn&#039;t worth that much money makes no sense at all? If he had played regularly and thus played at his best, would you doubt him not worth the price? You say he is not worth the price but have you thought of why he seemed like unable to play his best? 

Fergie dropped him most of the time (intentional or not we don&#039;t know), thus affect his performance, thus affect his statistic, eventually affect his value, thus almost everyone think he is not worth the price. Fergie&#039;s WISH has fulfiled, very successfully indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-64488" rel="nofollow">Grognard</a>: Have you people ever thought why you (yes you!) think Tevez is not worth the money 25m or 32m (or whatever price it is)? Why people think it that way? based on what? Based on performance and scoring record like this season Tevez scored 5 league goals, 15 goals in total. </p>
<p>When people see the performance or statistics of him are below expectation, they will mostly think Tevez is not worth the price. But what surprise me is that, these people never think of the reason why Tevez&#8217;s performance suddenly became &#8220;unexpectedly&#8221; low (thus not worth the price). They just keep saying Tevez is not worth that much, but never find out why Tevez&#8217;s performance seemed to have dropped. They think Tevez&#8217;s statistics are not good just because of his own doing, but ignore the fact that there was one man who made all the selection that VERY LIKELY affect his performance. That man is Fergie. </p>
<p>Think about it. A good player never drastically has his performance dropped suddenly without reason. In fact some of you can see Tevez wasn&#8217;t that bad after all, especially the last few games when he got to PLAY MORE REGULARLY. Before that (be4 FA CUP Semi-Final), it was &#8220;irregular play&#8221; for him, Fergie did this to him.</p>
<p>Can you see it clearly now? Can you see why you say he isn&#8217;t worth that much money makes no sense at all? If he had played regularly and thus played at his best, would you doubt him not worth the price? You say he is not worth the price but have you thought of why he seemed like unable to play his best? </p>
<p>Fergie dropped him most of the time (intentional or not we don&#8217;t know), thus affect his performance, thus affect his statistic, eventually affect his value, thus almost everyone think he is not worth the price. Fergie&#8217;s WISH has fulfiled, very successfully indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: Grognard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grognard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 16:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-64440&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Alan&lt;/a&gt;: I don&#039;t care if he was named as President of Argentina mate, he&#039;s not a world class player.  He&#039;s a world class worker.  Big difference.  A world class player doesn&#039;t have feet of stone and a fist touch resembling mine.  A world class player can thread passes to teammates , not continually have the ball stolen from him, a world class player has finesse and a deft touch around goal and doesn&#039;t try to score every goal by blasting it up high into the roof of the goal.  Add tot hat his short stubby legs and lack of killer pace and I really would like to know what is world class about him.  Have you seen the lack of actual world class talent presently paying in South America?  There isn&#039;t much.  They are all playing Europe.  Tevez is a cut above many but he lacks the finesse skills and the prolific finishing of a forward to be mentioned in the same category as Aguero, Torres, and others I consider to be world class strikers, or at least very close to that.  It amazes me what world class means to certain people.  To some it is what I just mentioned.  To others it&#039;s a hard blue collar work ethic and the desire to run around the field and be a pest.  Sorry mate but there is nothing world class about that.  World class is comparing players to Pele, and Mueller, Rummenigge, Baggio and Ronaldo and not Carlos frakken Tevez.  :roll:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-64440" rel="nofollow">Alan</a>: I don&#8217;t care if he was named as President of Argentina mate, he&#8217;s not a world class player.  He&#8217;s a world class worker.  Big difference.  A world class player doesn&#8217;t have feet of stone and a fist touch resembling mine.  A world class player can thread passes to teammates , not continually have the ball stolen from him, a world class player has finesse and a deft touch around goal and doesn&#8217;t try to score every goal by blasting it up high into the roof of the goal.  Add tot hat his short stubby legs and lack of killer pace and I really would like to know what is world class about him.  Have you seen the lack of actual world class talent presently paying in South America?  There isn&#8217;t much.  They are all playing Europe.  Tevez is a cut above many but he lacks the finesse skills and the prolific finishing of a forward to be mentioned in the same category as Aguero, Torres, and others I consider to be world class strikers, or at least very close to that.  It amazes me what world class means to certain people.  To some it is what I just mentioned.  To others it&#8217;s a hard blue collar work ethic and the desire to run around the field and be a pest.  Sorry mate but there is nothing world class about that.  World class is comparing players to Pele, and Mueller, Rummenigge, Baggio and Ronaldo and not Carlos frakken Tevez.  <img src='http://redrants.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif' alt=':roll:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Grognard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grognard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 15:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-64437&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Karl&lt;/a&gt;: Truthfully, the spade work should be done by our central midfielders.  As we do not have a spade carrying player of the Roy Keane mold, then we destroy our form and style of play by forcing attackers like Rooney and Tevez to do spade work and further destroy our style by placing an inept talentless spade working rice paddy specialist by the name of Park to completely turn our team in to a pedestrian outfit incapable of playing with great skill and finesse.  Spade work must be placed only to one person, a central defensive midfielder.  Some teams use two of them and attack from the side.  So be it, but never force forwards or wingers to do spade work.  That&#039;s not what they are there to do.  Tevez was great at spade work because that was all he was great at.  Goal scoring at a standard rate for a top line striker was certainly not his forte.  And I&#039;m sorry, but goal scoring is what we need the most form a striker.  W e have Wayne  Rooney to do a lot of those extras.  Two Rooney&#039;s are definitely not necessary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-64437" rel="nofollow">Karl</a>: Truthfully, the spade work should be done by our central midfielders.  As we do not have a spade carrying player of the Roy Keane mold, then we destroy our form and style of play by forcing attackers like Rooney and Tevez to do spade work and further destroy our style by placing an inept talentless spade working rice paddy specialist by the name of Park to completely turn our team in to a pedestrian outfit incapable of playing with great skill and finesse.  Spade work must be placed only to one person, a central defensive midfielder.  Some teams use two of them and attack from the side.  So be it, but never force forwards or wingers to do spade work.  That&#8217;s not what they are there to do.  Tevez was great at spade work because that was all he was great at.  Goal scoring at a standard rate for a top line striker was certainly not his forte.  And I&#8217;m sorry, but goal scoring is what we need the most form a striker.  W e have Wayne  Rooney to do a lot of those extras.  Two Rooney&#8217;s are definitely not necessary.</p>
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		<title>By: Grognard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grognard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 15:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-64427&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Craig Mc&lt;/a&gt;: Any team that would sign their future and freedom away buy promising a player starts through a contract is as Mickey Mouse an outfit as there possibly is in any professional environment.  Can you see any player&#039;s agent getting that concession from Fergie or Hoeness or Guardiola etc?  What is this game coming to?  Players no longer have to earn their starting position.  They just have to be smart and arrogant enough to demand it in a contract.  :roll:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-64427" rel="nofollow">Craig Mc</a>: Any team that would sign their future and freedom away buy promising a player starts through a contract is as Mickey Mouse an outfit as there possibly is in any professional environment.  Can you see any player&#8217;s agent getting that concession from Fergie or Hoeness or Guardiola etc?  What is this game coming to?  Players no longer have to earn their starting position.  They just have to be smart and arrogant enough to demand it in a contract.  <img src='http://redrants.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif' alt=':roll:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Grognard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grognard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 15:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-64426&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Craig Mc&lt;/a&gt;: In fairness to Tevez mate, Gill came out early last season and made comments to the media about wanting to finalize a Tevez contract and make it permanent.  This began even before they signed Berbatov so you cannot blame Tevez for feeling a little slighted.  He was wanted and good for them when the season started and he was told a contract was in the works and the then weeks went by and then weeks turned into months and then you realize the club was playing with you and that in my opinion was so unnecessary and very low on the part of United.  They literally played Tevez out of that contract demand by benching him but telling him that he was wanted.  

I am not advocating that we keep Tevez as I believe he isn&#039;t worth half the pricetag placed on him.  But United are not faultless here and their treatment and teasing of this player for an entire season was terrible and brought on the theatrics to the fans and the big mouth to the media.  To be totally honest, I cannot blame Carlos one bit for feeling betrayed.  But if I am also fair, I said before the season started that if Berbatov signed with United, that would mark the final season here for Tevez because he would definitely become the third striker.  He just wasn&#039;t worth the money being asked for him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-64426" rel="nofollow">Craig Mc</a>: In fairness to Tevez mate, Gill came out early last season and made comments to the media about wanting to finalize a Tevez contract and make it permanent.  This began even before they signed Berbatov so you cannot blame Tevez for feeling a little slighted.  He was wanted and good for them when the season started and he was told a contract was in the works and the then weeks went by and then weeks turned into months and then you realize the club was playing with you and that in my opinion was so unnecessary and very low on the part of United.  They literally played Tevez out of that contract demand by benching him but telling him that he was wanted.  </p>
<p>I am not advocating that we keep Tevez as I believe he isn&#8217;t worth half the pricetag placed on him.  But United are not faultless here and their treatment and teasing of this player for an entire season was terrible and brought on the theatrics to the fans and the big mouth to the media.  To be totally honest, I cannot blame Carlos one bit for feeling betrayed.  But if I am also fair, I said before the season started that if Berbatov signed with United, that would mark the final season here for Tevez because he would definitely become the third striker.  He just wasn&#8217;t worth the money being asked for him.</p>
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