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		<title>By: Grognard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grognard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 17:46:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;http://redrants.com/manchester-united-vs-burnley-preview/comment-page-8/#comment-104143&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;RichmondRed&lt;/a&gt;: I was one of those who felt like you about the owners until about a year and a half ago.  My worries really started by our inactivity in the transfer market the summer we got Berbatov.  All the talk about getting somebody up front and even some other players was making me sick in anticipation and then the season started and nothing had happened.  

The clue for me that Fergie was for the first time working with a very strict budget was the day he got Berbatov.  He was desperate to get him but he also knew he could not afford him if Man City entered the negotiations and managed to meet him and possibly seduce him.  So he jumped in his Vauxhall and sped for the airport to basically beat City to the punch.  As we know now, Berba always preferred us but Fergie was worried that the scum might be able to persuade him with some really big offer.  For me that looked like a lot of desperation and something I would never have expected Fergie to do in the past.  In the past he would get his checkbook out and negotiate and he would never go to such extreme measures to sign a player.  Well as we know for good or for bad, he got his man but the way he and to scramble on deadline day to do it spoke to me of how limited he was in his financial capabilities to do anything in the transfer market.  And I knew as this loan debt grew, that it would only get worse but even I did not think that it would get this bad.

Actually, yes I did know it would get this bad but the truth is I did not want to believe it and I just brushed aside because like you said, under the Glazer &#039;s ownership, the club has won a lot of silverware and that alone helped us cope with the inevitability of things as well, it helped the Glazer&#039;s do what they are doing by putting a veil over everything that is hurting this club.  The Ronaldo sale finally exposed them for who they are and for what the situation is and my biggest fears have come true.  Now it&#039;s anybody&#039;s guess as to what happens from here on.  As Fergie would often say about big games, &quot;It&#039;s squaeky bum time&quot;.  :grin:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="http://redrants.com/manchester-united-vs-burnley-preview/comment-page-8/#comment-104143" rel="nofollow">RichmondRed</a>: I was one of those who felt like you about the owners until about a year and a half ago.  My worries really started by our inactivity in the transfer market the summer we got Berbatov.  All the talk about getting somebody up front and even some other players was making me sick in anticipation and then the season started and nothing had happened.  </p>
<p>The clue for me that Fergie was for the first time working with a very strict budget was the day he got Berbatov.  He was desperate to get him but he also knew he could not afford him if Man City entered the negotiations and managed to meet him and possibly seduce him.  So he jumped in his Vauxhall and sped for the airport to basically beat City to the punch.  As we know now, Berba always preferred us but Fergie was worried that the scum might be able to persuade him with some really big offer.  For me that looked like a lot of desperation and something I would never have expected Fergie to do in the past.  In the past he would get his checkbook out and negotiate and he would never go to such extreme measures to sign a player.  Well as we know for good or for bad, he got his man but the way he and to scramble on deadline day to do it spoke to me of how limited he was in his financial capabilities to do anything in the transfer market.  And I knew as this loan debt grew, that it would only get worse but even I did not think that it would get this bad.</p>
<p>Actually, yes I did know it would get this bad but the truth is I did not want to believe it and I just brushed aside because like you said, under the Glazer &#8216;s ownership, the club has won a lot of silverware and that alone helped us cope with the inevitability of things as well, it helped the Glazer&#8217;s do what they are doing by putting a veil over everything that is hurting this club.  The Ronaldo sale finally exposed them for who they are and for what the situation is and my biggest fears have come true.  Now it&#8217;s anybody&#8217;s guess as to what happens from here on.  As Fergie would often say about big games, &#8220;It&#8217;s squaeky bum time&#8221;.  <img src='http://redrants.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':grin:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: RichmondRed</title>
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		<dc:creator>RichmondRed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 11:15:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;http://redrants.com/manchester-united-vs-burnley-preview/comment-page-8/#comment-104137&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Grognard&lt;/a&gt;: First of all Groggy this story is from the Sun, secondly, if there is any truth to this it is that the players might have been asked if they want to invest in the club. I see nothing wrong with that. Nevertheless, my arse gets a nervous twitch when we start talking talking about the Glazers. For me, I never really had the impetus to hate our owners. Like very few supporters, I was willing to give them a chance from the off and see what they made of it. I thought of things with selfish eyes often reflecting on the prospects of rich business men owning the club and splashing out the cash to help us compete with Chelsea in the transfer market. And honestly, to a large degree I do not feel the Glazers, or Fergie for that matter, let me down. We won the Champions League and three League titles on the bounce for crying out loud :shock: .

Then this summer came in and we let two prized assests (and I mean two) go in Tevez and Ronaldo and got average players in return. Now I am not talking down about Mickey and Tony, but let&#039;s face it, not what I expected to get in return for losing the best player in the world.

Point is, this summer things starting out promising. We all thought that by Ronaldo leaving we were going to get a couple of world class players to replace him. Most everyone was excited with the prospects of some new world class players coming to Old Trafford, me included. The lists were long and admirable. But then the realization of nothing happing started to sink in and I was left hurting inside because of it.

Now I know in my heart that it is not that there is &quot;no value&quot; in the market, but that SAF has his hands tied. It is the financial crisis and our owners that are causing this desperate situation and SAF, for a variety of reasons, is playing the head diplomat. However, dispite all of this, I am not sure if this MUST campaign will help or hurt the club more. I know I will not boycott purchasing things from United or stop watching them on the tele becuase of it, I love the club too much and quite frankly, they are really my only true source of entertainment.

Bottom line is, for me, I too no longer want the Glazers as our owners and their honeymoon is offically over for me. Once those financial results came out and I recognized that we HAD to sell Ronaldo in order to stay in the black, the fairytale of having deep pocket owners who would help this club to greater heights ended abruptly and I am saddened by the state I find my club in. :sad:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="http://redrants.com/manchester-united-vs-burnley-preview/comment-page-8/#comment-104137" rel="nofollow">Grognard</a>: First of all Groggy this story is from the Sun, secondly, if there is any truth to this it is that the players might have been asked if they want to invest in the club. I see nothing wrong with that. Nevertheless, my arse gets a nervous twitch when we start talking talking about the Glazers. For me, I never really had the impetus to hate our owners. Like very few supporters, I was willing to give them a chance from the off and see what they made of it. I thought of things with selfish eyes often reflecting on the prospects of rich business men owning the club and splashing out the cash to help us compete with Chelsea in the transfer market. And honestly, to a large degree I do not feel the Glazers, or Fergie for that matter, let me down. We won the Champions League and three League titles on the bounce for crying out loud <img src='http://redrants.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_eek.gif' alt=':shock:' class='wp-smiley' />  .</p>
<p>Then this summer came in and we let two prized assests (and I mean two) go in Tevez and Ronaldo and got average players in return. Now I am not talking down about Mickey and Tony, but let&#8217;s face it, not what I expected to get in return for losing the best player in the world.</p>
<p>Point is, this summer things starting out promising. We all thought that by Ronaldo leaving we were going to get a couple of world class players to replace him. Most everyone was excited with the prospects of some new world class players coming to Old Trafford, me included. The lists were long and admirable. But then the realization of nothing happing started to sink in and I was left hurting inside because of it.</p>
<p>Now I know in my heart that it is not that there is &#8220;no value&#8221; in the market, but that SAF has his hands tied. It is the financial crisis and our owners that are causing this desperate situation and SAF, for a variety of reasons, is playing the head diplomat. However, dispite all of this, I am not sure if this MUST campaign will help or hurt the club more. I know I will not boycott purchasing things from United or stop watching them on the tele becuase of it, I love the club too much and quite frankly, they are really my only true source of entertainment.</p>
<p>Bottom line is, for me, I too no longer want the Glazers as our owners and their honeymoon is offically over for me. Once those financial results came out and I recognized that we HAD to sell Ronaldo in order to stay in the black, the fairytale of having deep pocket owners who would help this club to greater heights ended abruptly and I am saddened by the state I find my club in. <img src='http://redrants.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':sad:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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