Dec 15
Manchester United vs Wolverhampton Wanderers: Preview
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The greatest tonic for a shock defeat is a relatively straightforward fixture as soon as possible. That’s what Manchester United have when Wolverhampton Wanderers visit Old Trafford later on this evening. After two straight wins, the first time that has happened in the top flight for 26 years, Wolves will not be short on belief especially after the 1-0 victory over Tottenham Hotspur at the weekend, and United will be looking to bounce back in emphatic fashion against the newly promoted side.
Mick McCarthy will be bringing his men up the M6 for just under 100 miles, in high spirits the victory at the weekend coupled with United’s defeat will have Wolves believing they have travelled to face United at the perfect time. The well-publicised injury crisis has ravaged the Manchester United squad, and it looks like there will be the usual 50 absentees for the game this evening.
Tomasz Kuszczak will continue in goal as Edwin van der Sar is still out with a knee injury.
The defence against Aston Villa saw Wes Brown rushed back from his latest setback and he never looked comfortable. He should continue to partner Vidic at the back despite this. Rafael could make the bench, as Darren Fletcher will reprise his role at right-back. The left side is, as always, taken by the magnificent Patrice Evra.
The latest recipient of the BBC Sports Personality of the Year Ryan Giggs will not be risked after tweaking his hamstring against Villa. I would expect Obertan to be given another start, alongside Carrick, Anderson and Valencia. Though Gibson will be looking for a recall to the team.
Michael Owen must wonder what he has to do to earn his place in the team, dropped after scoring a European hat-trick, but he should be restored to the first team against Wolves. Partnered by the ever-present Wayne Rooney, who will be looking to make amends for his horrendous attempt at diving during the game on Saturday.
Mick McCarthy was in jovial mood when asked about the game,
“They must be thinking ‘Wolves are coming and we have just been beaten by Villa… If ever there is a chance to get yourself back on track it is to slap these insolent little so and so’s coming up from the Black Country and we are going to give them the biggest doing they have ever had.”
Despite this Wolves will be without Michael Kightly and Andrew Keogh, out with ankle injuries, David Edwards will also join them on the sidelines. Former United youth player Sylvan Ebanks-Blake, will again be looking to impress his former employers, while United must be wary of Wolves’ record signing Kevin Doyle, who got the early winner against Tottenham at the weekend.
A win against Wolves would take Sir Alex Ferguson’s side level on points with Premier League leaders Chelsea for 24 hours at least. Wolves’ last win away to Manchester United came on 9 February 1980. The match will also be Sir Alex Ferguson’s 900th league match in charge of the Red Devils.
United should bounce back as they always do after a defeat and this will be no different, as in the Carling Cup match earlier on in the season where United triumphed 1-0.
Prediction: 3-0 United
Probable Line Up: Kuszczak; Fletcher, Brown, Vidic, Evra; Obertan, Carrick, Anderson, Valencia; Owen, Rooney
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December 15th, 2009 at 9:09
Very informative, Red Rants.
So many say that you will bounce back that I think you may be wrong. Two midgets for you on top. I don’t think they will do against our defence. We will get at least a draw. Just watch it!http://redrants.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif
December 15th, 2009 at 9:21
David I feel for you bro…. You just lost your record…
Nevermind what better way to start another winning streak… 
December 15th, 2009 at 9:31
I have this sick feeling that we’re going for 4-5-1 yet again with Giggsy in the hole behind Rooney.
December 15th, 2009 at 9:42
I’ve seen our future. And his name is Paul Pogba. Seriously, best player on the park last night in the reserves match, and he was also the youngest (more or less). Showed vision, touch and he’s already a big lad. Scored (off some part of his leg, not sure where) set up the second and was very tidy.
On a down note, we lost on penalties despite them missing their first two (we missed 3 in a row) which is pretty piss poor. Plus we played a really young, really tiny team against Bolton, and it kind of looked like men against boys some of the time. Cameron Stewart will never make it here, and for some reason he was leading the line.
No one else stood out, though Ben Amos was pretty good, made some great saves to keep us in it.
Don’t get why there was no Tosic, Macheda, Welbeck, King and so forth. Felt like a reserves reserve team!
December 15th, 2009 at 9:50
@Beachryan: Yeah.. There has been lot of raving about the lad. Won’t be surprised to see him getting promoted to the reserve team sooner and then Carling Cup team next season. If he is that good then we should really make him play higher and tougher level of competition to test his mettle and quality….
December 15th, 2009 at 12:36
TWO STRIKERS PLEASE.
that is all.
December 15th, 2009 at 12:50
i look forward to see the following Lineup today agaist Wolves. 4:4:2
Kuszczak
De Laet/Rafael, Brown, Vidic, Evra
Valencia, Scholes, Fletcher, Obertan
Rooney/Berbatov
Owen
Sub: Foster,Anderson,Tosic, Gibson, Welbeck, Rafael/De Laet,Gill & King
The game should be won in the first half and rest any of berba, Rooney, Evra, Fletcher.
December 15th, 2009 at 13:14
Todays team will surely be – a masterplan of square pegs – round holes.
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GK -Berbatov.
RB – Rafael
CB – Gill
CB – Vida
LB – Gibson
MF – Scholes
MF – Wes Brown
MF – Tosic
LW – Macheda
RW – Ben Foster
Striker – Park on his ARSE
This is Fergie’s genious team against Wolves – with Park on his arse sliding on his arse into opposition box, and on into the goal taking the ball with him for a rare goal
Genious goal number two comes from Giant of a player Ben Foster, who out of the ref and linemens sight, he does a Thierry Henri and nicely places the ball into the oppositions net with a strategically placed HANDBALL. OT goes FUCKING WILD, SAF the square peg/round hole genious HAS DONE IT AGAIN. No wonder Sir Alex is Manager of the Century – he can get such performances out of nothingness
December 15th, 2009 at 13:17
@Traverse: I agree mate – and please don’t let one of them be Rooney!
December 15th, 2009 at 13:20
@Beachryan: Because they are all playing tonight mate in the CRADLE United team against hungry Wolves
December 15th, 2009 at 13:23
David Schiavone – United don’t know what it means to bounce BACK mate, not with style these days anyway
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December 15th, 2009 at 13:27
Berbatov on another round of excuses for his shit performances for us. Poor little mite, the fee they payed for him is affecting his performances. FFS Berba grow a pair will you
. I am sick of our players making excuses for why they are not able to perform, all our strikeforce (apart from Owen, who doesn’t look for excuses) have always got a good tearjerking excuse for not being able to DO IT on the pitch.
December 15th, 2009 at 13:32
@CraigMc: At least he has shown that he balls when he accepted this the inevitable truth and harsh reality that no other UNITED players has yet accepted that….
Bro… I can totally understand how you must be feeling when people (including me I should be honest) go and Lil Man NANI, as Berba is exactly same to me as NANI is for you….
So next time be careful when you are be careful when you are having the GO at Berba as ONKAR will may come and haunt you…
December 15th, 2009 at 13:52
Hey, long since I posted.
Villa was jus a bad day in the office but as David has put it, what does our strikers really have to do to get a first 11 place and sure thats not score a hat trick.
Our record versus wolves have been all tight affairs with wolves parking the bus, the last 6 games have all ended 1 nil and I dont expect much. 1 nil to united
December 15th, 2009 at 14:38
@Onkar: I only tell the truth Onkar, and so you can’t shut me up, I am too good
. Berba has come out today admitting he is a shivering wreck because of the level of expectation on him due to his 30 million price tag 
. He needs to stop making excuses for his less than expected performances, and start to do his stuff – if indeed he has any stuff in him 
December 15th, 2009 at 14:59
@CraigMc: Not long ago Nani was being bashed when he was not given a sustained run in the side.
Prior to his injury Berbatov was playing very well and creating and scoring regularly.
Suddenly he’s injured, Fergie has decided that Gibson is a better player and Beba is mostly stuck on the bench. Still mangaed to have our two best chances against Villa though.
…Nani-tinted glasses?
December 15th, 2009 at 15:35
@NicoQB: You lot can be so tiring when the only arguement you EVER have to answer my comments is Nani. News flash mate, Nani isn’t 30 million pound striker brought in to specifically get the goals needed. Berba has played 3 times the games of Nani, and where are the goals. I mean how much longer can you keep making excuses for a 30 million quid striker who misses CHANCE after CHANCE after feckin CHANCE mate, and this against teams often from lower part of the PL
. But we don’t need too, because Berba has his own continued excuse for not putting the ball in the net – the expectation of his price tag 
. I mean I didn’t realise opposition teams had goalkeepers all called Price TAG – did you? Berba doesn’t have to beat a price tag, he has to beat a GK!
December 15th, 2009 at 15:41
@NicoQB: Oh and with regards to your Berba isn’t getting a run because SAF somehow thinks Gibson is better – I think you’ll find that Berba ala Hargo is needing knee surgery, and this means that SAF in his usually over cautious way, is using Berba sparingly. Nothing to do with Gibson mate. Although IF you want to talk Gibson he has found the net more than Berba in the couple of games he has played mate. Berba could learn from Gibbo how to hit a ball perhaps
. As you say Berba had out two best chances against Villa – AND MISSED THEM BOTH – typical mate!
December 15th, 2009 at 16:03
Huntelaar for Nani loan swap in January. You heard it here first. Because I just thought of it. We need a striker, they want Nani, Huntelaar isn’t getting a game.
December 15th, 2009 at 18:15
MUTV reckon Scholes and Gibson in midfield. Obertan to start on the left, and Rooney – Berba upfront.
December 15th, 2009 at 18:19
I’m so desperately pleading for a Rooney/Berba front 2, that it feels inevitable it won’t happen.
Tosic getting a game praps…?
December 15th, 2009 at 18:23
@Traverse: lol mate huntelaar is nowhere near good enough..no way should he throw nani away for him who is brtw owrth so much more, i sincerely wish tosic starts which will never happen
December 15th, 2009 at 18:36
@RMJ: Yeah right.
December 15th, 2009 at 18:39
For todays game I will quote Mr. T and say, “Prediction? ………PAIN.” United will treat Wolves like a cheap suit and or like a punching bag and pummel them for 90 minutes in an incredibly one sided affair that will end up 1-0 United.
And one more prediction I guarantee, is that we will most definitely see Paul Scholes in the lineup. Fergie always likes to use him against ragtag minnows because these are the only teams Scholes has the legs for anymore.
December 15th, 2009 at 18:59
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December 15th, 2009 at 19:04
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December 15th, 2009 at 19:04
Two midgets on top will require us to play with high pace and tempo… if we continue to make high balls into the box, we will suffer…
Let’s GO UTD!
December 15th, 2009 at 19:05
@CraigMc: THe reason I’m comparing Berba to Nani, is that you, of all people, should know that a player takes games to regain his form. As i said, he had good form prior to his injury and now he’s been out of the side to tend to his knee and suddenly the Berba bashers are out in full force.
So yes, he was injured, and when he came on against Villa , while not scoring he still managed to have our two most dangerous chances, which is half the job done.
Nani, more than most, has suffered from Fergie’s inconsistence in deciding who to play. That’s why I never bash him, rather I put his poor performances (and let’s face it, he has had more than a few of them) in the light of mitigating circumstances.
Hope you would have done the same for Berbatov.
And I don’t buy the crap about a player having to live up to his price tag. He has to live up to his previous performances, to what he has shown he can do (at Spurs), not his price tag.
December 15th, 2009 at 19:12
This has been a very interesting week regarding rumors which has got the old Grognard salivating at the possibilities.
1. Reports on United interested in getting Benzema from Madrid
2. Neuer looks to be the first choice of Fergie as our next #1 GK
3. Edin Dzeko may not be in AC Milan’s plans which may open the door wide for United to claim him
4. And if Dezeko does manage to go to Milan it may be because United or some other team has gone after Klaas Jan Huntellar
5. Finally as for players, a few rumors making the rounds about the possibility of Fergie yet again chasing after Fernando Torres if he returns from the Wolrd Cup victorious but Liverpool is not in the Champions League
All nice rumors and fun to read but all of them are probably just BS because I do not think Fergie has two plugged nickels to rub together.
The rumor I am most interested in though just popped up in the Guardian and it’s just stealing the Grognard’s thunder as I have been on about Laurent Blanc for months now as Fergie’s heir. Lets hope he is the man because I think his abilities and his youth is just what we want.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2009/dec/15/alex-ferguson-laurent-blanc-manchester-united?
December 15th, 2009 at 19:33
@Grognard:
Neuer – CHECK!
Dzeko – CHECK!
Blanc – CHECK!
good news indeed!
December 15th, 2009 at 19:37
@[OPTI]Madschester United: Adding to that list…. Miranda Kerr… Check!
December 15th, 2009 at 19:47
@Darth Red Diablo: Another comment from you that’s totally pointless.
Look I’m not against having fun from time to time, but I’ve noticed for a really long time that whenever you’re on here it’s been an odd wisecrack. I don’t mean to be rude, but I think you should consider occasionally offering something worthy of a debate than popping in with a wisecrack that doesn’t mean much.
December 15th, 2009 at 19:54
@Red Ranter: Alright… Guilty as charged RR….
Thing is I’ve been pretty stressed out by studies lately…. So mostly when I do come here… I don’t really try to make a debate… But you’re right… I’ll try to be more helpful to contribute to discussions….
December 15th, 2009 at 19:57
@Grognard: Sorry but this article was very poor.
The journo basically listed the reasons why according to him other candidates were not fit for the job and what Blanc did in his playing career. Not anywhere did he look at Blanc’s credentials as a manager
in terms of playing style, tactics, managerial policies…
Like most people who’ve claimed Blanc would be ideal for us, they’ve actually seen very little of Bordeaux playing and can barely make a n argument as to why the way Bordeaux way fit ours.
Just because he’s a journo, his championing of Blanc does not make his opinion any more valid.
December 15th, 2009 at 20:00
http://www.newsnow.co.uk/A/389886017?-11193
December 15th, 2009 at 20:06
@Grognard: I read that, but don’t use Richard Williams to feel validated. He’s written some of the most dreadful and lazy pieces I’ve read in the Guardian.
Also, I don’t intend to pop your bubble, so to speak, but the “Laurent Blanc candidacy for the United job” was out in the open in the media long before you mentioned it in here.
December 15th, 2009 at 20:15
pig
de leat carrick vidic era
valencia gibson scholes obertan
rooney berbatov
owen anderson foster welbeck fabio fletcher
December 15th, 2009 at 20:16
Predictor 3000 says: 4-1 United!
December 15th, 2009 at 20:16
wolves have made TEN changes. Only Hanneman stays from their Spurs win. GOAL DIFFERENCE IMPROVEMENT PLEASE!
December 15th, 2009 at 20:19
@Traverse: Finally Fergie has understood that a proper RB is to be played at the RB position… It’s an attacking lineup!
Can’t wait to see the Obertan – Berbatov – Rooney – Valencia axis….
I hope we play a 4-2-4… Like in the Ronaldo days…
And I wish Valencia and Obertan would also switch wings like Ronaldo and Giggsy did…
December 15th, 2009 at 20:22
is game at 20:00 or 1945?
December 15th, 2009 at 20:32
Where is Nani…
December 15th, 2009 at 20:34
@Traverse: Glad to see Obertan and De Laet get a start and Rooney-Berbatov upfront. I might watch the game now
December 15th, 2009 at 20:36
I hope United can find a way to bounce back today, and convincingly at that although I suppose I wouldn’t say no to a nervous three points either.
It’d be nice to see Obertan and Valencia on the wings (please no Park) and Berba alongside Rooney. Berba needs to get his form back quickly or it’ll be 4-5-1s galore for the rest of the season.
December 15th, 2009 at 20:36
@owen: In Fergie’s doghouse. Which is a shame.
December 15th, 2009 at 20:37
Its a second string Wolves side too! If we don’t win this atleast by five goals to nil, I’ll be pissed. Not kidding, that should be the aim of this side today. TIME TO BOUNCE BACK WITH A VENGEANCE, and Mick has presented us with the most golden opportunity EVER.
December 15th, 2009 at 20:39
@Traverse: Is that a confirmed lineup? If it is, it looks good to me!
December 15th, 2009 at 20:39
29 Tomasz Kuszczak (G)
15 Nemanja Vidic (CD-L)
16 Michael Carrick (CD-R)
3 Patrice Evra (LB)
30 Ritchie De Laet (RB)
18 Paul Scholes (CM-L)
28 Darron Gibson (CM-R)
26 Gabriel Obertan (LM)
25 Antonio Valencia (RM)
9 Dimitar Berbatov (CF-L)
10 Wayne Rooney (CF-R)
December 15th, 2009 at 20:39
@Darth Red Diablo: This is why I axed you as my young apprentice. Too many wisecracks and not enough evil. You are the margarine of evil, diet evil (just one calorie).
December 15th, 2009 at 20:39
7 Michael Owen (SUB)
24 Darren Fletcher (SUB)
13 Ji-Sung Park (SUB)
12 Ben Foster (SUB)
8 Anderson (SUB)
19 Danny Welbeck (SUB)
20 Fabio (SUB)
December 15th, 2009 at 20:40
@owen: this is fucking retarded the boy can play
December 15th, 2009 at 20:41
looks like united 442
December 15th, 2009 at 20:43
@NicoQB: This view comes from your own bias mate because you follow the French League like I do the Bundesliga. I do not profess to know the french League or Bordeaux as well as you but I do know this, Laurent Blanc is young, enthusiastic, has a clear understanding of tactics and seems to have the ability to really man manage. Judging him on the tactics he is using with Bordeaux is not fair. A manager works with what he’s got. Fergie isn’t exactly lighting up with attacking football of late either because he knows the club he has isn’t that creative. So my point is that if you put a great young mind like Blanc on a great team and give him the resources to built an attacking team, he will.
December 15th, 2009 at 20:43
well we cant really get ahead of chealsa today but if we up our goal dif enough we can be on to p for a day. that would be nice how many goals do we need?
… oh just 7 to tie 8 to go top should be easy for roon and berba
December 15th, 2009 at 20:44
@TurkishRED: I think Berba will be back to his best very soon, and no better game for it than today. Against Aston Villa, he came on as a sub and he nearly always sucks as a sub especially when the team is a goal-down. He needs a starting berth to strut his stuff; to grasp the flow of the game.
December 15th, 2009 at 20:45
@gator: will we ever see tosic play in red?
December 15th, 2009 at 20:46
Nani cant be worse than Park…The worst case of management suffered by any player at Man Utd…
December 15th, 2009 at 20:47
@Grognard: RR’s givin me a kickin Groggy…
I’m Back!
December 15th, 2009 at 20:48
@antsBoy: But it could be other way round, with Wolves parking the bus with 10 men. Lets see how they approach. I guess it will be pure containment.
December 15th, 2009 at 20:49
@Red Ranter: Well if it was I never heard it. That’s fine, I’m not mentioning it to pat myself on the back. I just like the fact that somebody out there is thinking like me. As for the writer, I do not study who is good or bad in England among journalists, I’m just reporting the facts is all. I for one hope Blanc is the replacement. Mourinho would also be good but after those two, I really don’t like anyone other than my guilty bias and love for Klinsmann.
December 15th, 2009 at 20:51
@Darth Red Diablo: Yes he is and I love it. Any back stabbing apprentice deserves a good kicking.
Anyway, good to have you back.
December 15th, 2009 at 20:54
@Grognard: But how does one know a great young mind if he hasn’t seen him talk about tactics or personally interacted with him? We are just going by accounts of most people. What we can judge by is pedigree, and track record built in the CV. And so far it’s a league title in Ligue 1. Bordeaux isn’t B-grade rubbish either. In resources they are better than most of the league other than Lyon. So you’d think he’d be more attacking, no?
It will be a brave move by United to go for Blanc because his credentials are not better than many other candidates.
Of course if Ferguson rates him highly, I will go with that, but I always see reason to be sceptical of one season successes. Unless of course it’s of the Pep Guardiola scale.
December 15th, 2009 at 20:55
@poiuy: Definitely, I don’t think a 30 mil player would work well as a sub, especially not Dimi. If it is the second string, though, we’ll have a feast of goals for Roo and Dimitar (and Gibson?).
December 15th, 2009 at 20:57
@Grognard: Thank man… Actually I’m still having my mid year papers…. So My “normal” transmission will resume on the 24th…
December 15th, 2009 at 20:58
Does anybody got a stream that is actually working?
December 15th, 2009 at 21:02
@owen: hopefully this just means that park is for sale in jan and were hiding nani to keep him?
December 15th, 2009 at 21:05
We should be 1 up already.
December 15th, 2009 at 21:08
If we get one in the first 15 mins this could be a massacre.
December 15th, 2009 at 21:16
@Traverse: at least
December 15th, 2009 at 21:18
Berbatov looking Non-Existent
…
December 15th, 2009 at 21:39
piss poor so far. De Laert is playing well though
December 15th, 2009 at 21:45
Finally someone who can take a corner!
December 15th, 2009 at 21:45
Rooney passing is much much poor
December 15th, 2009 at 21:45
Two-nil.
Vidic and a keeper howler
December 15th, 2009 at 21:47
Bring Anderson in place of Gibson
December 15th, 2009 at 21:48
fuck obertan should have passed to roon
December 15th, 2009 at 21:49
@owen: The lad has 2 assists and you want to take him off?
Wow.
December 15th, 2009 at 21:49
at least he creates more chances than Park!
December 15th, 2009 at 21:49
@owen: we should never see scholes and gibbo on the in the same mf
December 15th, 2009 at 21:50
All hail prince gibson, future king of old trafford.
December 15th, 2009 at 21:55
@owen: Rooney’s passing AND VALENCIA’S yet again mate – woefully poor, I agree with you. I am having such fun though, because my stream is a SPANISH speaking American Fox sports commentary. The main commentator is HILARIOUS, so bloody funny to listen too. He sings, YES SINGS when United score or when some United players get the ball. He is singing every time Scholesy touches it, Paul Scholes scores goals, and shouting Rooney is TODO, TODO, which I presume means everywhere – you spanish speakers please tell me. This commentator is making the game for me – I wish I could get his commentary every game
. He has a great singing voice too, and is pretty non stop for our lads 
December 15th, 2009 at 21:56
@Dan:
December 15th, 2009 at 21:57
@gator: What so confusing about what i said?
December 15th, 2009 at 21:57
@CraigMc: haha
December 15th, 2009 at 21:59
@gator: Our MF and makeshift defence are doing great mate – it is the forwards once again that can’t string their passes together – none of them so far. So leave Gibbo and Scholesy alone mate. Pick on those blameworthy ones who cannot control or pass a ball – namely our forwards
. By the way anybody care to tell me why we got the penalty, because I couldn’t see anything really wrong – what did I miss eh?
December 15th, 2009 at 22:00
@CraigMc: Rooney be happy as he is taking penalty this season…Otherwise his tally at the end would have been 10-12 goals this season…He is the best friend of opposition goal keepers
December 15th, 2009 at 22:02
If it was Owen in place of Rooney getting those chances it would have been 4-0 now
December 15th, 2009 at 22:03
@Dan: I agree with you about Gibson so far mate – he is doing ok, and his corners are not half bad – 2 ASSISTS – GO GIBBO!
December 15th, 2009 at 22:03
I thnik Scholes and Gibson are quite similar players. I’d have Scholes off and Fletch on if anything.
December 15th, 2009 at 22:04
I’d like to see a game in which Nani plays instead of Valencia… And Obertan on the wing…. Nani is far less predictable than Valecnia…
December 15th, 2009 at 22:05
Valencia is looking ripped. He either needs to stop working out or wear a bigger shirt!
December 15th, 2009 at 22:07
@Darth Red Diablo: Nani is predictable.. I predict he’ll never start a premiership game for United again!
December 15th, 2009 at 22:07
We cannot string two passes together!
December 15th, 2009 at 22:07
@CraigMc: Come on man, you sound like a broken record sometimes. Its the midfield thats lacking and not the forwards. Our central midfielders arent doing anything inventive while wingers are playing it too safe.
As regards to forwards’ passing/control the ball, I think they are hardly as atrocious as you would seem to suggest. Forwards have to take very quick decisions and not all the passes come off.
The penalty was for handling the ball by a defender.
December 15th, 2009 at 22:09
@Traverse: Oo come on… As much as I get frustrated by him… We all know he is capable of SHOOTING… Something Valencia never can do……
December 15th, 2009 at 22:09
@CraigMc: hand ball in the box
December 15th, 2009 at 22:11
was that a shot
December 15th, 2009 at 22:12
@gator: Atleast he had the GUTS to do so…. When have you seen Valencia do that?
December 15th, 2009 at 22:13
It is not one particular sector. The whole team looks disjointed
December 15th, 2009 at 22:13
@Traverse : I think Valencia just has broad shoulders..i have got my united shirt and it lies on me the same way.. tight on the biceps..dont know why…
Our CMs arent working at all making it difficult for wingers and strikers..Moreover Obertan is not complementing the mentality of the whole team..there is some missing connections there…
December 15th, 2009 at 22:14
@Darth Red Diablo: ive seen nani do it plenty mate
December 15th, 2009 at 22:14
@Darth Red Diablo: He is capable of it, just much more likely to hit it straight at his man rather than beating him.
December 15th, 2009 at 22:18
that Vidic substitution was little too soon man!!…touch wood!!
December 15th, 2009 at 22:19
What the fuck is Fergie doing – Vidic OFF???
December 15th, 2009 at 22:19
Our movement in this game has been horrible!
December 15th, 2009 at 22:24
As Much as that was WONDERFUL from Berba… It was a fluke from Valencia… Was heading for the cross bar!
December 15th, 2009 at 22:24
goal of the year
December 15th, 2009 at 22:25
There was the movement! More of that, please!
December 15th, 2009 at 22:25
@Darth Red Diablo: If Nani had just done that you’d have shit out your kidneys…..
December 15th, 2009 at 22:25
Great gol from Valencia
December 15th, 2009 at 22:26
@Darth Red Diablo: hahaha what were you saying again
December 15th, 2009 at 22:26
This hilarious spanish commentator is SINGING full voiced – Valencia Ooh Ooh, Valencia ooh ooh –
, he is so full on entertaining, O how I wish I could find this commentary team for every game 
December 15th, 2009 at 22:27
@Darth Red Diablo: What are you talking about??..Thats a nice finish dude…and its not an easy one on the half volley!!
December 15th, 2009 at 22:28
@Traverse: Me and Craig…. And if Nani had done that… Then I would have because the great lil Man deserves a goal like that…..
On the other hand… All Valencia does is…
Run… Go on the outside… And Cross….
And it’s also frustrating when 7/10 times… His cross is cleared by a defender….
December 15th, 2009 at 22:28
just 5 more and were top o the league
December 15th, 2009 at 22:33
December 15th, 2009 at 22:33
@Darth Red Diablo: With all that…Nani stays on bench and Valencia starts and scores!!..that tells the whole story!!.You have to agree with me when i say Nani has been frustrating 10/10 times in his past few matches!!…
December 15th, 2009 at 22:35
@Shyam: So was Valencia at the start……. When was Nani even GIVEN a decent run in the team?
December 15th, 2009 at 22:35
Fletch is class!
December 15th, 2009 at 22:37
DeLaet is now delicioso defender – magnifico according to this guy
. See I am even learning spanish from this dude commenting on the game 
December 15th, 2009 at 22:39
@Darth Red Diablo: Ohh come on!!… he was in the first team at the start of the season and his performances were so not upto the mark that an anonymous Frenchman started taking his place.. I am not claiming that Nani is a shit player…he has been doing shit in the past few matches…giving away the ball in attack, no hustle on defenders and letting players run past him with ease in defense….Valencia is in team due to his wholesome contribution to the team play!!
December 15th, 2009 at 22:41
@Shyam: Are you kidding me? Did you see his cracker at the start of the season?
His goal against Chelsea was class… After that it was a story of Game-Bench-Not in the team….. Heck… After every good game he had, he never played in the next… That is not consistency..
December 15th, 2009 at 22:42
Welbeck is Ronaldo in desguise tonight!
December 15th, 2009 at 22:42
Michael Oweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeen El Spirito – I presume that means spirit or ghosting in unseen. I am loving this.
December 15th, 2009 at 22:43
how is it not 9 nil
December 15th, 2009 at 22:44
Scholes Man of the Match
December 15th, 2009 at 22:47
@Darth Red Diablo: I hope you just quoted the best moments Nani gave us during the start of the season..what do you have to say about the 100s of frustating minutes in between and after that…Please compare that with Giggs or any other who played in his position…
December 15th, 2009 at 22:49
@Shyam: Are you kidding me?
Yes… Nani has been frustrating…
But when on earth has he got a decent run? But your pretty boy Valencia has…
Did you see Berbatov’s carefully weighed pass to Valencia.. And what did he do? Couldn’t even clear the nearest man….
December 15th, 2009 at 22:49
What about Evra?
December 15th, 2009 at 22:53
Pathetic…
December 15th, 2009 at 22:54
@Footy4Eddy: Oh… Cheer up… Atleast David gave a SPOT ON prediction…
December 15th, 2009 at 22:59
@CraigMc: I hear you… Same stream for me. Commentators make up a lot of the entertainment value of a football game. Unofrtunately, most commentators now-a-days are so “Objective” that there is no heart/emotions/creativity in their work…
Great stream and a good result.
December 15th, 2009 at 22:59
A bit of a frustrating match but at least it might give the players a boost of confidence. Also keeping up with goal difference, which is good.
December 15th, 2009 at 22:59
@Shyam: Valencia’s wholesome contribution to the team – are you a comedian by trade mate, because that is the most hilarious comment I have heard all night! Valencia had so many opportunites in that 2nd half to get the ball in quickly with Owen and Berba waiting to pounce and he fucked up over and over again. Also Valencias ball control and passing is fucking absmal mate. Most of the play tonight broke down with ROONEY and Valencia not being able to control and get their passes in – shame!
December 15th, 2009 at 23:02
@TurkishRED: I agree mate, but our problems are still in the final third, where our front men cannot get A FINAL BALL, yet alone get the final ball right.
December 15th, 2009 at 23:03
@CraigMc: Adding to that… Valencia is a piss poor crosser of the ball when compared to Nani…
He lacks the early ball… Something of which Aaron Lennon has become a specialist… I mean he waits and waits for the strikers to TAKE their positions….. All he has to do is cross.. The strikers will reach there themselves…
December 15th, 2009 at 23:05
@[OPTI]Madschester United: Aaaah Opti you got that stream too. The commentator was so brilliant and FULL OF PASSION in his commentary. It was so good to hear, very entertaining. I wish I could have piped that commentary on the loudspeakers to all the Old Trafford crowd, they would have loved that guy
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December 15th, 2009 at 23:06
@Darth Red Diablo: You should be team coach mate
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December 15th, 2009 at 23:08
@CraigMc: dude Craig..i know how blindly mad you are about Nani mate…i am not that much over Valencia…he did shit today !!…i am talking about games and not about one specific game..He is a new signing and i will say (be it sound comedy for you or not) He did earn his spot by contributing well to the team!!!..
I still dont understand…You get one bad game and you are all over this guy ..hating him..branding him predictable..whatever he is, he have provided consistent performances and for the last 2 months have put the ball in the back of the net!!
December 15th, 2009 at 23:08
berbatov is really upsetting me guys…..am i mistaken in thinkin he failed to take a shot at goal during the entire game????
he is totaly uninterested in scoring. when he has the ball 60% of the time he just throws his hands in the air and has a fucking cry. he is a disgrace. how i hope and pray this lad diouf is a real gem.
December 15th, 2009 at 23:09
@Shyam: I think you’ll fing for the few games he has played, Nani has more assists than Obertan, Park, Valencia, etc etc etc. Nani is 2nd only to Giggsy in that department, and that as RAFA says is a FACT!
December 15th, 2009 at 23:10
@CraigMc: I’m thinking of applying….
And another thing I’d shoot in the head of Berbatov is to Freakin SHOOT more… He’s got gem of a strike.. Don’t know why he doesn’t use it…
December 15th, 2009 at 23:10
WHAT A LOAD OF RUBBISH!
OK, it’s gotten to the point now that I don’t care what anyone says tome. Manchester United suck. That was a comfortable but highly unimpressive win. Is that the best we can do against the Wolves reserves? McCarthy made ten changes for this game. That was his reserve team and all we could do is score three goals and create about a half dozen great chances? I’m sorry but that’s not good enough. Had Wolves played Chelsea today they would would have received a 6-0 ass kicking as well as having to face at least a dozen great chances.
No movement on or off the ball, our players looked lazy and comatose out there. Our wide players show know ambition or imagination on the ball. Our central midfielders are nothing more than center backs playing the role of sweeper the way Franz Beckenbauer did. Our forwards are timid little elves afraid of their own shadows. Rooney was frakken useless today. Missing quality chances is becoming a real theme for him.
Nice assist by Berba but please, have a little more life in you Count. Obertan for me is nothing more than flash with no substance. Will we ever see him run at a defender and leave him skinned? I seriously doubt it. Valencia scored a decent goal but for me he is too timid and lacks the aggressive nature on the ball that we are so desperately in need of from wide players. The two high points for me were the play of De Laet and Evra making strong overlapping run after strong overlapping run but with little to show for it because either Rooney would squander a chance or there was nobody home in the box.
My God, Wolves never came to OT today to play a game of football. They had one chance all day and that was because we were too inept to defend a long free throw. Other than that they showed no enterprise and just came to avoid being embarrassed. So why the caution and the slow pace? Why not have a real go at them and run at them until they crack. All game long all I saw was us in the Wolves third of the pitch and then one of our players making a back pass to take the pressure of Wolves. What were we so afraid of, that Wolves would get the ball in their own third and score a goal?
Yeah right!. Why do I like players like Andrei Arshavin? Because his pass rating may not be 85% or 90% in a game but what he tries and does is attempt to break down a defense with artistic and daring passes that may fail 4 out of 5 times but will work occasionally.
At the end of a game he may score a screamer and assist on two goals because he had the balls to try what Fergie would call impossible low percentage plays. I like ambitious artistic players who have the balls to try something rather than bail out and always take the safe option. As attacking footballers United are a band of cowards and i for one am sick of it. Sick to the stomach watching this rubbish week after week, game after game. I don’t care anymore. I have said it many times before, it’s not just about winning for me. It’s about how we win and how well we entertain. If it’s just about winning then I do not need to see the game, just read the final score in the paper.
As far as a visual spectacle is concerned, watching a dog take shit is more entertaining than watching United play or watching Danny Welbeck make a meal of a good chance or Paul Scholes bail out with the safe option 19/20 times. This is just crap we are being fed and regardless of the reasons or Fergie’s genius at getting results, I for one am ashamed to call myself a United supporter on a day we have tied for first place. And what gets me is that there will many of you who will be pissed off with me because I am bitching after a 3-0 win and a tie for first place. To all of those glass half full types I just say in as friendly a manner as I can ….YOU JUST DON’T GET IT, DO YA?
December 15th, 2009 at 23:10
Firstly I have never felt so empty after a 3-0 win. Damn that was a drag..
Dimitar Berbatov £30.5 million. What a prick he is on the fieldWhy the fuck does he delay every attack we have. It seems that he just wants to hold on to the ball for the ske of it. Michael Owen needs to play more than Berba. Yes it was a great pass but the rest was pure shit. What a waste of money…30 million??fuck me
Wayne Rooney, Im sorry but he is just above average, Iv been saying that he has regressed for a long time but this season he is totally shit. His passing, finishing and general play is horrible. The chance he missed? Dong Fangzhou could have scored that!What a shame because he was really special but no more
Antonio Valencia- good goal but Iv never seen a one footed player like him in my life, I even feel uncomfortable watching him. But 6 goals so far is a good return so far for a player who score 7 goals in 4 years.
Darron Gibson- He is a good strike at times but yea, garbage
Obertan- lots of skill but he needs to assert himself and use that pace like ronaldo did. He needs to become a selfish prick methinks
Overall that was a shite performance, we were lucky because of that idiot who handballed and really just need an improvement
December 15th, 2009 at 23:14
@united4life: Berba admits mate that he is terrified of failure, and has become shot shy as a result. Shame really! As Grog says – no matter how good a player you are at other clubs, playing under the pressure cooker of OT, few players have the character and personality to be able to cope with it and succeed. I think Berba shrivels under the pressure because of FEAR of failure.
December 15th, 2009 at 23:17
To Get a win of 6-0 today….
This should have been the team lineup……
Kuzcack
De Laet Carrick Vidic Evra
Nani
December 15th, 2009 at 23:17
@Shyam: And you call me blind mate! Valencia has had a run of poor games, and he plays every single one. Tell me then for the number of games he has had, HOW MANY assists has he got. Nani for the few games he has played, has got assist in most of them. Anyway, read the comments of others on the board about Valencia IF you think it is just me and bias towards Nani. You cannot accuse others of being Nani biased can you, and they are saying the same thing as me!
December 15th, 2009 at 23:18
To Get a win of 6-0 today….
This should have been the team lineup……
Kuzcack
De Laet Carrick Vidic Evra
Nani Giggs Gibson Obertan
Rooney
Berbatov
Period….
December 15th, 2009 at 23:19
@Red Ranter: Sorry but the French League is B Grade rubbish, and he is doing a lot with very little if you compare his talent pool to that of the top Italian, Spanish and English sides. He also dethroned seven time champ Lyon which was no mean feat. I like his patience and his man managing from what I have read and having watched Bordeaux enough I think he sets his team up properly and utilizes the tools he has properly. I also like the fact he has ties with United and a good relationship with Fergie. When Fergie retires as manager I still see him moving upstairs and overseeing things and so having a manager who is on very good terms with him and who appreciates a great class of wine is not a bad thing.
I’ll say it right now, I will absolutely throw up and be disgusted if United is managed by somebody born in the UK. All UK managers are clueless old school cronies who have no concept or idea on how to play and succeed in Europe. And this has been further ingrained in my mind after reading Soccernomics.
December 15th, 2009 at 23:19
@CraigMc: Adding to that… Hasn’t Nani scored goals as well? What about his freekick at Wiqan? What about his pass from the outside of his left foot to Berbatov in the Arsenal game? Now would Valencia even have the BALLS to do that?
December 15th, 2009 at 23:20
@CraigMc: Ah this Spanish commentor is a legend.
I’ve only seen his one or two youtubes
Wish someone would make an exhaustive compilation of all his songs.
December 15th, 2009 at 23:21
@owen: Sell Anderson to Dubai or Kuwait.
I’ll take Gibson over him any day of the week. The kid is learning and has a tool Anderson only dreams he had.
December 15th, 2009 at 23:24
@Darth Red Diablo: I think all three are predictably not United quality to be fair.
December 15th, 2009 at 23:25
@Taehr: I do wonder what would have happened if we didn’t get that cheap penalty, whether it would have been another Villa. I agree with you re Valencia and Berba, but not about Gibson mate – he made both goals tonight! Rooney – well apart from the penalty what did he contribute apart from a lot of running with little effect. And he had the cheek to pout when he was taken off
. The Valencia goal was very well taken, and best goal of the night mate!
December 15th, 2009 at 23:25
@ Grognard : Absolute truth..this team deserves nothing.They are just winning bcoz opposition just gets feared by ours past.At present we are not better than Villa.This is a shame that Evra is your main attacking threat..Berba knows nothing except giving interviews and showing his love for the club and SAF.He was looking completely frustrated in the game.If Rooney is the main hope of England in World Cup then God save them..He is useless in 75 % of the games.
Valencia should have a better career in 100 meter race but bot in football.
Obertan ,ahead of Nani for whom Barca have high regards,gets priority…We will be lucky enough if we finish in top 3 but we dont deserve to be ahead of Chelsea and Arsenal
December 15th, 2009 at 23:26
@Footy4Eddy: What movement, there was movement? Awful movement, especially off the ball. An epidemic these days.
December 15th, 2009 at 23:27
@Grognard: Why don’t we make the best with what we have Grog?
December 15th, 2009 at 23:29
@CraigMc: Unless we buy a player like Philip Lahm, I never want to see anyone play the RB position again but De Laet. He more than carries his weight out there and he has been the only RB in years that we have had that can actually performa proper overlap. This adds a lot to our team if only we had forwards in the box at proper positions to receive his or Evra’s low crosses.
December 15th, 2009 at 23:29
@Grognard:
“Why do I like players like Andrei Arshavin? Because his pass rating may not be 85% or 90% in a game but what he tries and does is attempt to break down a defense with artistic and daring passes that may fail 4 out of 5 times but will work occasionally”
How is this not Anderson?
December 15th, 2009 at 23:31
@Shyam: I agree. I like Nani a lot but as far as I am concerned he has not made the most of his chances and his chances have not been long enough. It’s time for him to go to a team that will properly utilize him. He does not play well under our system and that is the number one reason we do not see the same Nani that plays for Portugal.
December 15th, 2009 at 23:32
@Footy4Eddy: Name one…. Just ONE supernatural pass Anderson has made…
December 15th, 2009 at 23:33
@ Footy4Eddy : If Andy canbe compared with Arshavin then Messi should also be compared with Carew..Andy is 10% of Arshavin at maximum
December 15th, 2009 at 23:33
@Footy4Eddy: Welbeck is a wanker. I cannot believe this guy gets game time over Nani.
December 15th, 2009 at 23:33
@CraigMc:
Now be nice to our little Mickey.
December 15th, 2009 at 23:34
@gator: Because we are a talentless unimaginative slow assed bunch of faeries.
December 15th, 2009 at 23:35
@Grognard: If you watched the french league last season you would have known that while Bordeaux were very good (1-0 to the Bordeaux) the reason for Lyon’s demise was that Puel tried to make them stifle their natural offensive game with overemphasizing on defense. They lost some of their natural game and suffered from it.
December 15th, 2009 at 23:35
@owen: If back passing and bailing out an attack is what makes someone man of the match, then Scholes is the best player ever.
December 15th, 2009 at 23:36
@Darth Red Diablo: Even when Nani gets a “decent run”, he prefers to walk.
December 15th, 2009 at 23:36
craig mate if that is true then fergie has really made a blunder in signing him.
what a waste of space. weak individual. i just cant fathom how a 30million pound striker can go a full 90 mins playin a bunch of mugs and not fashion one shooting chance for himself? hes just soooo unbvearable toothless. no motivation to score it seems? pass pass fukcin pass, berba mate, try shooting once ina while, sure that should very high on ur list of priorites as a fuckin strker, NO???
December 15th, 2009 at 23:38
@CraigMc: Well said mate, well said. We suffer from Finalballitis. I hear it may be terminal for Rooney.
December 15th, 2009 at 23:39
@Grognard: Hey.. I’m feeling sad for the little man.. They showed him on tv texting during the Villa match… And me and my friend were discussing what he might have been texting…
In the end we decided that he texted to Ronaldo saying:-
“Oh dear Dad… Where did you leave me… I was going to fill your boots… Now it seems as though I’ll be happy when I play a minute….”
December 15th, 2009 at 23:39
@ Grognard : If Rooney is world class then Anelka is world’s best
December 15th, 2009 at 23:39
@CraigMc: So what you are saying then is that Red Diablo could have his head up his ass as far as tactics and squad selection is concerned but as long as he plays Nani he is a genius?
December 15th, 2009 at 23:40
@ Owen:
I`m not saying Andy is Arshavin, I wouldn`t dear insult a magic player like Andrei that way! He is for me one of the most beautiful players to watch, makes everything look easy. While Anderson manages to pull things off, he makes them look incredibly hard to do. Two completely different players, I just meant by what Grog said that he tries to do the impossible. And sometimes he actually manages to pull it off. That was all
December 15th, 2009 at 23:41
@Footy4Eddy: Give me ONE example Eddy.. Where he has made something impossible possible… One example from this year…
December 15th, 2009 at 23:42
@ Wanker Darth Red Diablo: (
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I`ll name you a whole game if you like. United vs Wigan, October 2007, 4-0 to United.
As for just one pass, his pass for Giggsy for our first goal in our 2-0 win over Pompey in April.
December 15th, 2009 at 23:44
@Taehr: Actually the reason Berbatov delays every play where he is on the ball is because of the lack of movement of the other players to move into ideal positions for him to distribute. They are always just caught watching him and the ball. Our movement off the ball is awful and when a genius like Berbatov is on the ball, then other players need to kick it in gear and not only move but also get connected to his way of thinking and use their own imaginations to create space where Berba will find them. His skill and imagination is so superior to everyone else on the pitch that it’s like he is playing alongside 5 year olds and he is 15. It just doesn’t work because of this club’s pedestrian and agricultural style of football and shit for brains players. Berbatov would be a God if he played at Real, Barca or anywhere in Italy where movement off the ball is the key to breaking down defences.
December 15th, 2009 at 23:45
@Footy4Eddy: Read my post again Eddy… I was talking about this year…
And atleast I don’t wank over a piece of Brazilian Git who only knows one thing… To show his arse to the opposition player trying to place it between the opponent and the ball…
December 15th, 2009 at 23:46
Btw craig, its not looking good for wee nani is it??id say im the one person on this blog that loves the kid as much as you…it pains me to see him frozen out the team as he hs been this last 6 weeks…..dunno what to think really.just wish fergie would stop being a wank to him!!!!
December 15th, 2009 at 23:46
@poiuy: Don’t know what you areseeing mate but it obviously isn’t the same as me. Still ne’re mind eh? The MF were getting the ball to the forwards but ROONEY BERBA (suprisingly) and VALENCIA BALL CONTROL AND PASSING WAS ABYSMAL again MATE. Tell me then when did our forwards make true open chances for each other, how often Rooney and Berba were in the box, and why our wingers can’t beat the first man to get regular decent balls into the box. The strikers are not connecting interplay with each other – sorry but that is a fact. And if you think ROONEY, VALENCIA, OBERTAN AND BERBA had great games tonight, then you weren’t waatching the same game as me. We are very disjointed as a team, especially up front, I mean Vida was responsible for us getting the 1st two goals – not our strikers. But just go ahead and blame the MF if that makes you happy mate! What I truly believe is that we have moved away from the ONE TOUCH football we were renowned for, and everybody in wanting to take another touch, and that is definately our undoing. So broken record or not, you will keep hearing it from me, until our strikers and wingers get back to one touch football
December 15th, 2009 at 23:47
Is not it a shame that Arshavin was available for 15 million,Milner for aound 8-10 million but we opted for Valencia and paid 17-18 million???How can anyone in wild dreams also can do such errors?
December 15th, 2009 at 23:49
@CraigMc: There’s only one thing that needs to be done to introduce one touch passing back into the team mate… And That’s a CONSISTENT team…..
No more rotations… A forward line needs time to gel…
December 15th, 2009 at 23:49
@Footy4Eddy: Because Anderson rarely if ever makes the kind of penetrating passes that Arshavin makes and he isn’t even in the same universe when attempting a shot. Arshavin crosses, lobs, chips, drives passes as well as offers the risky through ball. Anderson only has one pass and that’s the risky through ball, and it’s not as good as Arshavin’s. Also, Arshavin works 1,2’s very well and uses back heels and other one touch gems to break down defenses.
December 15th, 2009 at 23:51
@owen: Well said mate, well said. The only thing Anderson can compare with Arshavin in is that little brown nugget that comes out of Arshavin’s ass while on the toilet. That’s would remind me a lot of Anderson.
December 15th, 2009 at 23:51
@united4life: I think he will move on – and the sooner the better for him, because he has to stay fit and ready for the world cup. If I was him, I seriously mean it, I would tell SAF to go fuck himself, and that I want out in January. He certainly wont miss the shite United fans who give him no encouragement whatsoever.
December 15th, 2009 at 23:52
@owen: Milner, 4 goals. Valencia 6.
It really is as simple as that.
December 15th, 2009 at 23:52
@NicoQB: That does not take away from Bordeaux’s record however which was good enough to win the league anyway.
December 15th, 2009 at 23:53
@Darth Red Diablo: Hey mate – you leave Anderson’s arse alone
December 15th, 2009 at 23:54
@ That Fucking Twat Darth Red Diablo Who Wanks To Dirk Kuyt Puctures: (
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Yeah, I believe April has been in the year 2009? Or did we skip that month? His pass for Giggsy then gave me an orgasm, I litterally came.
If you mean this season, look back at the highlights of the City game. He created countless chances for Wazza and Giggsy with brilliant passes, but didn`t get an assist because we spoiled the chances. He made one in the Chelsea game as well, but Rooney was judged offside for some fucking reason!
Then his assist for Wazza against Blackburn. A great low cross, he became the first of our midfielders/wingers who realised that migdets are better on the ground that in the air.
December 15th, 2009 at 23:54
@owen: There are days when I too wonder about Rooney. As far as I’m concerned, he hasn’t been right since the CL semi final vs Arsenal at the Emirates. Since after that game he has been playing at 75% of what he is capable of.
December 15th, 2009 at 23:55
@Grognard: Perhaps Berba and Owen should be given more of a chance to play together FROM THE START Grog, because Owen is excellent at ghosting into space
December 15th, 2009 at 23:56
@Grognard: Exactly mate
December 15th, 2009 at 23:58
@owen: And I was the loudest voice for signing Arshavin two years ago. I was on this blog begging and pleading for Fergie to listen to me and to watch the games Arshavin was playing for Zenit and Russia and realize that he was everything we were lacking in attack. But no, the old fart had to go with his stubborn way out and move for a player who isn’t fit to shine Arshavin’s shoes.
December 16th, 2009 at 0:00
@CraigMc: Owen is forever to be known as “THE GHOST”.
December 16th, 2009 at 0:00
@Footy4Eddy: Are you seriously kidding me? It was all Rooney’s finesse in the finish in that goal….. And if you’re telling me that Anderson has Finally understood that midgets are better on the ground that in the air… How on earth would you explain his constant lobbing and ‘attempts’ to cross in the Villa match?
December 16th, 2009 at 0:00
@Dan: Also watch out the contribution of Milner .He is the most versatile English player,From England also and miles ahead of Valencia…If you can compare 2 on basis of goals only then Kuyt is better than Berba???Is it???It must be according to you
December 16th, 2009 at 0:02
@CraigMc: Grog… But then again I’ll have Anderson cleaning up the toilets at OT… I hope he doesn’t do THAT with his arse!
December 16th, 2009 at 0:03
@CraigMc: What do you think has been Nani’s enemy (besides the obvious SAF)? Is it a lack of opportunities,a lack of adequate talent, an inconsistent run of games,poor management? What would you point out as the real problem? I would say he hasn’t had enough chances and it has nothing to do with his talent. It’s similar to Berba. Not that he hasn’t been given enough chances but he hasn’t had a meaningful run in the team. If I’m not mistaken Berbatov was voted best player for the month of October by fans on the official website. Then he got injured and was not available for the whole of November and beginning of this month. Now that he has come back to the team,don’t you think some time could be afforded him also to get his groove back so to speak? This is the same arguement you would make for Nani but the consistency is not really showing when it comes to Berbatov and that’s why everyone keeps talking about Nani when you critcise other players in similar circumstances. I’m not saying he has not been given enough opportunities but since the injury he hasn’t got a good run in the team for the past one and a half months. Prior to that he was playing well,so we are not making excuses for him but the circumstances are not rosy and in the same way I don’t believe you’ll be making excuses for Nani because though he has been here for three years now he has never been given a fair shot and he could be here for a century but he won’t develop until justice is done. Look at Owen,the man scores a brilliant away hattrick in in Europe and still finds himself on the bench all the time. So when season ends and he has scored under 15 goals I won’t call him a flop because I don’t expect anything from such a situation
December 16th, 2009 at 0:04
Rooney should go Take a leave for 1 month,go to Barca Reserves and learn how to make a passs…I am not joking..Really he is the biggest disappointment for last 1 month
December 16th, 2009 at 0:05
Kuzsz – 6 – His dodginess was back full on tonight.
Delaet – 7.5 – Very good defensively and offensively at RB, capable at CB
Vidic – 8 – Good defence + goal
Carrick – 7.5 Libero. Exquisite passing from the back and calming influence too.
Evra – 8.5 Was more dangerous than Obertan. How was that?
Valencia – 6 – Would have been a 5 if he didn’t score. Did very little of note.
Scholes – 8 – Directed the play and kept possession. Should be starting those kind of games where he is sure not to be overrun by the pace of the game.
Gibson – 7.5 – Good assist. Can take corners and that’s good. But a liability when he has to defend. Should have been sent off in fairness.
Obertan – 6 – Shy. Overreliant on Pat Evra to put danger. Would like himto be a bit more selfish in dribbling. But should have had an assist at 45min but went for solo glory.
Rooney – 7 – Good energy.Acerage passing. Could have scored more.
Berbatov – 7 – would have been a 6 but for his great assist. Infuriating and infuriated with his team mates as they did not pass him the ball when he was in good positions.
Subs:
Owen – 6.5 – Did as best he could in limited time
Welbeck – 6.5 – Does anyone still think he has no control? Brought great energy in place of the subdued Obertan. But selfish.
Fletch – 6.75 – Dug in at RB. But Delaet was clearly better.
December 16th, 2009 at 0:06
@Jay wire: Actually mate.. On that point… It’s not Berbatov’s problem… You see… it’s our midfield’s inadequacy to facilitate our forwards.. There was a time last season when Carrick was developing some understanding with Berba…
But the lack of a constand midfield axis is hurting us…
December 16th, 2009 at 0:12
In january :
SELL : Berba,Andy,Rio,Park,Foster and Nani
BRING :Neur,Krasic,Huntelaar ,Jovetik and Micah
December 16th, 2009 at 0:13
@owen: Sadly Mickey… This ain’t Fifa 10…. Why not be a bit more…….. realistic?
December 16th, 2009 at 0:18
@Darth Red Diablo: You only saying that because just a few comments up you said Valencia can’t shoot and he scores a brilliant team goal and takes it well.
December 16th, 2009 at 0:19
@Darth Red Diablo: Why not possible…All of them are cheap ..
Nani’s price > krasic
Berba >>>>Huntelaar
Rio >>>>>Micah
Andy = Jovetic
December 16th, 2009 at 0:23
@Jay wire: Not exactly mate…. How many chances did your man Valencia have against Villa to shoot? And seriosuly.. He didn’t even take one… He’s not the kind of guy whom you would expect to have the technique to hit the half volley… And check the goal again.. The ball was going for the crossbar….
December 16th, 2009 at 0:24
@owen: Mate… Fergie isn’t just going to make such Radical changes in January….. Even if he does decide to buy…. He won’t buy 4 players….
Heck all of us agree that we’d be happy with just 2…
December 16th, 2009 at 0:25
@owen: Exactly man. Or just hide with the Arsenal reserves and learn the seemingly complex task of passing a football. How difficult is it knock a ball five yards across a reasonably flat surface to reach a target dressed like you? He has caused most of our attacks to fizzle out and die with his atrocious passing
December 16th, 2009 at 0:25
All you haters are crazy!
You prefer Arshavin for reasons that fit Berbatov as well — daring passes that fail most of the time?
As mentioned over and over — we played with 20% of defense, 50% of our midfield and you claim that based on today, Utd, do not deserve 1st or 2nd… you guys are crazy!
Did we outplay our opponents? YES
Did we shut them out? YES
Did we win? YES
What else is there to do in a league game? NOTHING
Get over Nani, too. He is gone and Obertan will make you all salivate in a year or two — he is 18-year old Ronaldo in disguise… Trust me on that one.
I’m out!
December 16th, 2009 at 0:27
@Darth Red Diablo: It was going for the top corner man. Balls can’t think for themselves let alone change course
December 16th, 2009 at 0:27
@[OPTI]Madschester United: Brfore sleep only you are dreaming
December 16th, 2009 at 0:28
@[OPTI]Madschester United: Difference between Obertan and Ronaldo when they were 18 years old…….
Ronaldo= Big balls who told every defender… I’m going to fuck you dry today…..
Obertan= I think I’ll just pass it back to Evra…
Ronaldo had the balls… That’s what made him great…
December 16th, 2009 at 0:29
@Jay wire: Bro… It was going for the post… Check it again!
December 16th, 2009 at 0:32
@Jay wire: I have never really been a negative critic of Berba mate, in fact I have fought for him on this and other United blogs. I am worried only because Berba himself keeps coming out to the press, and saying that he can’t play to his best, because he is weighed down by the price tag he bears. He has come out again yesterday, and peddled the same thing mate. I think it says a lot about his mindset, and character, because other players have big price tags on them, but are still able to perform. It makes me feel that Berba really doesnt have confidence in his own ability when under pressure, that he can still turn it on. I agree that he was playing well like you said mate before he got injured, but in playing well though, he still wasn’t doing what he was brought to do – SCORE GOALS. That is why I believe he does not want to take the penalties after he missed for us at Wembley, and why he has few shots on goal, because he is overwhelmed with fear that he will fail where expectations are high. I don’t think he has the temperament to come into his very best in the pressure cooker and scrutiny of OT. Shame really, because he has the arsenal. As for Nani, he just doesn’t feel a part of things at OT, and even though he makes an assist in almost all of his games, because he next to Giggsy is the best winger we have for finding players with a good pass into the box, yet he feels lost, and doesn’t understand what he is doing wrong. Fergie stands by all other players who play more SHIT than Nani, but the lad is JUST NOT LOVED at OT by management or fans. He is by Portugal, and he both helped and got them the goals to get them to the world cup in Ronnie’s absence. He is loved by his home nation, and this inspires him to loosen up and give his all for them. He truly needs to get AWAY from Fergie, because Fergie has been despicable and totally unjust in his treatment of Nani. The joy on Nani’s face when he made the assist for Owen’s opening goal for United in Germany, when Owen ran to Nani acknowledging the great assist, and throwing his arms round the lad – that was good for Nani. But then SAF hauls him off, I am sorry mate, but SAF is a right bastard to Nani.
December 16th, 2009 at 0:34
I rather like Valencia. First off, he is one of the only players with muscles which remind me of myself. That guy is bola to the max! Fucks sake, his strength is impeccable, a real athlete. His biceps are gonna tear his sleeves one day, I bet £50 quid on it. You guys think anybody beats at arm wrestling?
He is scoring goals, he is strong, fast and he is a good crosser. I actually like him, my type of winger. 
Just needs some more confidence I think, should shoot more often. I hear he is a shy guy though, so won`t complain about it. Better personality than Ronnie or Tevez had, fucking knobheads both of them. Ronaldo should never get married, he is too much of a flirt and when tied to someone looks at the other. Anyway….. I really like Tony, seems to fit well in the team. He may not have all the fancy footwork or confidence that Ronny did, but he is more of a team player and, as I said, my type of winger. He will come great one day, I`m sure! 
Still love Ashley Young though…
December 16th, 2009 at 0:39
Darthy!
That fucking cracked me up!
“Ronaldo had the balls… I`m gonna fuck you dry today”
Loved that mate, loved it.
Worst thing is I pictured Ronny with saying that with his flirty facial expression. Siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiick!!! 
Gonna use that as comedy supply one day. I take the copyright!
December 16th, 2009 at 0:41
Berbatov- Brilliant player. But not for us. I say go get Benzema while he is cheap.
December 16th, 2009 at 0:41
@[OPTI]Madschester United: We were playing a Wolves reserve team, and that at OT
. Against a good team Villa, did we outplay them – NO. Did we shut them out – NO. Did we WIN – NO 
.
December 16th, 2009 at 0:41
@Darth Red Diablo: It’s a complex thing really and you are also right on this one. But I also believe it’s not entirely the midfield’s fault as they have been let down by management. Or rather the coaches and the manager. A midfield requires understanding between the players. Chemistry if u will. Think of Gatusso,Pirlo and Seerdorf or Xavi,Iniesta and Yaya or Fabregas,Song and Diaby or Lampard,Ballack and Essien or even Carrick and Scholes in 06-07. All these combinations have 3 things in common; controlling the game efficiently,creating plenty of chances and finally and most importantly,they can play with blindfolds and still find each other. This is chemistry and the common denominator here is consistency in playing together up to the point were telepathic football can be achieved. That’s were we get it wrong. Count if you want,but we have now played 1785432 combinations in midfield since August. That’s one of the main reasons why we are so disorganised and confused
December 16th, 2009 at 0:42
@ [OPTI]Madschester United:
Listen here honey.
…………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………
We were: Pathetic!
December 16th, 2009 at 1:29
I can’t wait till we sell Nani so we can put an end to this altogether. If he were the second coming he’d be in the bloody team. He isn’t, and he isn’t. This is his 3rd season. Get rid, get someone else in.
December 16th, 2009 at 2:48
I think I made up for a blip at the weekend with a spot in prediction!!
December 16th, 2009 at 3:01
@Traverse: Well your NANI hate is so bloody apparent, but not surprised. Just to correct your wrong thinking, yes he has been here 3 seasons, but for last two he has hardly bloody played. His first season he played very well, and only someone who wasn’t honest would deny that. But yes he should go, and take a couple of other players with him – ROONEY might be a good one, the little contribution he puts in of any worth these days.
December 16th, 2009 at 3:05
@Jay wire: 1785432 combinations in MF – what a bloody conumdrum eh? FARCICAL!
December 16th, 2009 at 3:20
@Grognard: If you wanna see some back passing, watch again, and look at Berbatov.
Well of course, I forgot, he loves his back to the goal!
December 16th, 2009 at 4:07
Just more slop in the pig-pen as far as I’m concerned, and of course, when I’m hungry I’ll eat anything!!
Watching United scrap together a first team against a Wolves second team, will never be a sight to see, and I thought that without prejudice, it was difficult to tell whether United had the second team and Wolves were scrapping.
But hey, we won the game, in a tie (points wise) for first place and we are probably in a better position than we were last year. I’m just feeling warm and fuzzy all over. NOT!!
With one man less in our MF than the last couple of games, we managed to offer some respectability to the reserves of Wolves. No longer able to hog possession, we were left with the ability of our strikers to dominate affairs.
Good looking penalty by Rooney, and a good flick by Berbatov to set Valencia up for a really well taken chance and, gosh, a headed goal by someone that’s actually tall enough to head the ball – I’m ecstatic!!
But the issue tonight wasn’t really the quality of our play, but more the quality of our players!
I know, I know, we have are entire defense laying in hospital beds, and that makes things difficult, but what it does do is expose the true quality of the rest of the team. If we were more than just proficient in MF and Attack, it would counteract the problems we have with selection now.
Instead, our stalwart defense, wrecked be injuries, has not just become a weakness, but will now be used as the alibi for our failings to thrive.
And that warm and fuzzy feeling you have, is probably coming from the radiant heat generated from the combined efforts of Chelsea and Arsenal Fans, rubbing their little hands together!!
December 16th, 2009 at 4:36
@owen: It’s been going on for a lot longer than a month mate. He was like this towards the tail end of last season too.
December 16th, 2009 at 4:41
@[OPTI]Madschester United: Obertan is 20 and one month away from being 21. He is hardly 18 and believe me there is a big difference between a18 and nearly 21 when it comes to football development. I think Obertan has potential but I also see a player who lacks the courage and the cockiness that is necessary to succeed at that position. He’s too timid and mousy for my liking.
December 16th, 2009 at 4:43
@Darth Red Diablo: Finally my former apprentice has said something that gives his former master hope. You are dead right on that comparison. Ronaldo had MO JO while Obertan has OH NO.
December 16th, 2009 at 4:46
@Grognard: You are welcome. Sometimes a constructive ass-kicking by the blog admin can do wonders.
December 16th, 2009 at 4:47
@Redrich: He is playing the Heskey role of the holding forward. Basically he gets the ball and there is nobody near him in a more advantageous position to pass to so he passes back. It’s not his fault. Remember my post about the poor movement off the ball, that is what is happening there. That and the fact Fergie has him playing too high up the pitch to be of any value as a forward.
December 16th, 2009 at 4:49
@Red Ranter: I guess he was scared straight.
December 16th, 2009 at 4:54
I think a lot of us have been wondering the same thing their Mr Cabbage Head.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/2773609/Capellos-Owen-rap-for-Fergie.html
December 16th, 2009 at 5:00
@Grognard: Thankfully he took it well, accepted it, and saw where I was coming from.
PS: See, I can slap others on their wrists too from time to time?
December 16th, 2009 at 5:03
@Grognard: I know, I know, its’ not his fault. His landlady forgot to put sugar in this coffee, and the lady that cut his hair didn’t listen. He’s just a fucking victim of himself.
Boo, fucking hooo!!
December 16th, 2009 at 5:38
@Darth Red Diablo: I dont understand..what do you find with it..i saw it from every angle possible and cant see what you see….heading for the post??
December 16th, 2009 at 5:38
@CraigMc: I like this idea too, only to just see what it yields!
The MF combo’s have been exhausted, lets try and work some magic up front!!
December 16th, 2009 at 8:26
@Red Ranter: Is that what you call what you do to me, a slap on the wrist? I always thought it felt more like a castration myself.
December 16th, 2009 at 8:28
@Redrich: Poor Berba, there is just no Redrich love going his way this Christmas.
December 16th, 2009 at 8:32
@CraigMc: Do you honestly think that Fergie would ever contemplate benching Rooney for an extended time in order for this duo combination of yours has the time needed to blend together? Hell, he would be too worried of it blending together because he loves his boy Wayne. Rooney is frakken untouchable mate. He could go out there wearing a court jesters outfit and act like a clown and Fergie would never bench him. Come to think of it, didn’t he do that today?
December 16th, 2009 at 8:40
@Grognard: Hope to a master? What master Groggy?
It’s time that the King of fucking Darkness and his son Eddy were taught a lesson…..
Desertion was not an option…
My wrath shall be speedy….
December 16th, 2009 at 9:26
@Grognard: I was using your own words mate. Your own words.
December 16th, 2009 at 9:42
I read RedCafe and there is thread started by a person named MickeyOwenIsRED regarding RedRants.com. The said person thinks this site is shit and quite pissed at Grognard and RR.
I wonder who it is? From his comments, it seems he has been reading RedRants since last season. twat
December 16th, 2009 at 10:15
@AndyCR7: If he has been reading red rants since last season, but thinks it is shit, then what does that say about him
. The fans over at Red Cafe are all party liners mate, like trolls they will always troll out the normal MUTV cliches, and anybody who dares to try and speak a few home truths – well they are THE DEVIL 
. Seems like though the red cafe fan thinks this site is shit, he continues to come OVER HERE, and has been reading this blog since last season – hahahahaha little mickey owen whoever you are – you keep reading mate, we are ADDICTIVE! Also Red Ranter is salt of the earth, he more often than not doesn’t agree with a lot of our comments, but he believes in the art of FREE SPEECH. Also to the Red Cafe crowd – this blog is called red RANTS – so don’t come if you don’t want to hear disgruntled rants 
.
December 16th, 2009 at 10:22
@Grognard: When Rooney is on, he is on fire. But when he has those quite barren spells he appears very ordinary – go figure! Little Mickey owen got 15 minutes against wolves, and SAF brought Rooney off, and Rooney’s attitude having to come off stank. He could barely look at Michael Owen let alone bother to shake hands with him. Rooney has become A POUT-ER
December 16th, 2009 at 10:24
@AndyCR7: Musat be someone who has been banned.
Quite a few of them..
December 16th, 2009 at 10:25
@AndyCR7: I guess some one who has been expelled from the class room by our Mr. Headmaster RR…..
I don’t know who he can be but couple of names are already popping in my head….
Anyway he can be the same person who was very recently having a go at GROGNARD at ROM and for which RR had to interfere there…
To add to that he is banned from ROM as well…
By the way GROGY you always seem to say that you don’t get the enough appreciation from us (even though I am one those whop always stand by you whenever possible), but you seem to be setting the MAN UTD blogs across on fire… Some one is so obsessed with you that he seems to be talking about you where ever he goes….
It seems like the Master of DARKNESS from RR Mr. GROGNARD is spreading his wings across all the blogs…..
December 16th, 2009 at 10:27
@CraigMc: Yeah this place is for real DEVILS… The RANTERS..
December 16th, 2009 at 10:50
I guess a few of you are beginning to see what i have always said about Rooney.It is not really hate for he plays for United but the boy regressed alot you dont even know where to start from.
I now wonder what he has over other strikers because he seems ordinary its almost unbelievable.From not being able to beat a defender,to being so one footed,and poor passing to add to being slower by the game, i think if Fergie loves him and wants him to continue developing,he should stop treating him as an untouchable and make him fight for his place and by doing that,he can think of being among the top players in the world.
December 16th, 2009 at 10:53
I’ve been thinking about something recently.
It IS a proven fact that journos browse the footballing blogosphere trying to get opinions and form some rumours so as to fill their pages.
I just wondered if Grognard’s constant supplications for Neuer and Adler, the message of which may have spread to other blogs knowing the organic nature of blogging/commenting, somehow caused some paper stories to crop up.
And the stories being there, can they have caused the United scouts to take a real good look at them?
just wondering…
December 16th, 2009 at 11:13
@NicoQB: If this is been the case then I think UNITED should be smart enough and bring GOGNARD himself as there scout.. What say??? The problem will be our team will be full of GERMANS if that happens…
December 16th, 2009 at 11:21
Ok, get things straight, Rooney will play every freaking game and get the treatment Ronaldo got that made him Ronaldo. SAF will continue to stick with Berba weather you like it or not. Forget about SAF bringing new faces in Jan (Neur-bullshit) its not going to happen. Benzema (Bullshit). He will probably stick with this team for the season. Yes contrary to popular opinion Nani will get playing time but maybe it will happen when one of d weak wingers pick up an injury.
Point of Observation. There is only one creative player in the UNITED midfield that has magic in him (GIGGSY) and unfortunately his 36, you can only get one game a week from 36year olds. So english style attacking football will continue. Conventional 4-4-2 with one footed Valencia and maybe Park/Obertan/Nani. Forget about Wellbeck, the future is Kiko and maybe the Diouf kid. Can the team play better? YES, YES ,YES. We should not just sign a player cos his is young and has potential, we should sign a player cos he is magic, creativity and clinical. Arshavin comes to mind, so does Messi. Is it impossible? NO. NO. NO. Will Fergie think like that??? Only GOD knows.
December 16th, 2009 at 11:24
@NicoQB: Not in a million years dude. The scouts are payed to do their jobs and not to act on blog posts.
December 16th, 2009 at 11:41
Rooney is a World Class footballer but does seem to be unrotatable, I would love for The Fergster to give Owen a run of maybe four games, either with Wazza or Big Berba.
Also we really need to to stop messing with the midfield, we need to play Fletch and Carrick again for a run of games.
December 16th, 2009 at 11:48
@Stephen: We can’t though Stephen, because Vida is out for Saturday, and Fergie said he is forced to play Carrick and Delaet in Central defence against Fulham. He also said that Delaet did a great job against Wolves, and he is right. Fulham away will be a whole different ball game though!
December 16th, 2009 at 11:52
@Stephen: Or may be playing CARRICK as a CB for length of the period. He looks like RIO in disguise while on the ball. At least he will be able to put passes forward rather that backward…
December 16th, 2009 at 11:53
@CraigMc: I don’t know why but I have more confidence in CARRICK as CB then CARRICK as CM…. Just saying….
December 16th, 2009 at 11:54
Craig, I thought he was superb bro, I am just fed up with all this rotation for me a the side is playing disjointed for that reason and when a player scores a Champions League hat trick and then doesn’t start again for me that is somewhat odd.
December 16th, 2009 at 12:23
@Onkar: God forbid!!!
December 16th, 2009 at 12:25
@CraigMc: You are confusing Nani hate with Nani boredom.
December 16th, 2009 at 13:07
@Traverse: Oh come on Trav, he doesn’t play OFTEN enough for you to be bored with him mate
December 16th, 2009 at 13:07
A good result for such an injury ravaged team, although if Mick had put a proper team out deap down i think we would have had a tough night. But again 3 points. Not much is being made of our injuries. I think we have done well so far all things considered.
I just want to make a point on Rooney. I think he has been way below par the last few weeks and again it makes me question Berbatov. I do not think they are a partnership. By instinct they want to be the same type of player in the same position. As a partnership I dont see it working. It has been 18 months. What has that partnership realy done in 18 months to justify being a starting partnership at our club, not to mention we are talking £60 million quids worth of talent
The way I see it. It is one or the other Berbatov or Rooney
As for Nani, I think if we can get any where near ten million for him he will go, every time Obertan touches a ball he sends Nani closer to the exit door.
and before I go money, yes money. Is it my imagination or over the last two or 3 years we must have taken about £120 million plus in transfer fees at least I would say closer to £140 million. Throw in £100 million in prize money.
Go look at the squad and the brand of fotball we now play and tell me the Glaziers are a good thing. Dont let the cups fool you. Our recent success has been built on years of work. You only have to look at last night to see the strength and ability through out the club. It is a shame we do not have as much star dust any more. In our current squad just name the star players that today would walk in to any top club in Europe. At a time when we should have invested to cement our place at the top for the next 5 years we sold and failed to invest
It makes me sad to see so many posters knock the players and Fergie and let the people that are destroying our club carry on.
and a final point. Old Trafford was a joke last night, so many empty seats, school parties who had bought blocks of cheap tickets and a Stretford end that sang Cantona songs all night. I loved Eric but please support the lads we have out on the night. After that great flick by Berbatov and Valencia scored his 6th goal in 12 games. The stretford end sang about Eric. Come on lads sort it out
Fergie 4 ever
Glazier out
Glazier out
December 16th, 2009 at 13:10
@Stephen: Who are you referring to when you say ‘you thought that he was superb’ Stephen? Did you mean Delaet???
December 16th, 2009 at 13:17
Yes mate, sorry bro.
December 16th, 2009 at 13:19
@CraigMc: It’s the debate that bores me! We all know he hasn’t been given a chance, then he went to the press about Fergie which is just about the single stupidest thing he could have done, and that he is gone in January if we can get Krasic in for the same price.
I like Nani as a player, but he hasn’t progressed (whether he has had the chances or not) and it’s the best case scenario for both him and us if we let him get on with his career somewhere else. He’ll probably turn into a really good player and Fergie will look stubborn for it, but I’d imagine he could care less because we’ll have probably won a couple more trophies by then!
December 16th, 2009 at 13:21
@RedTan: They were singing about Cantona because it is a Christmas song. You only really hear it in the volumes we heard it last night because of the time of year. Feed the Scousers was out in force last night too.
December 16th, 2009 at 13:32
@RedTan: Mate the ground will empty EVEN FURTHER if SAF keeps allowing the kind of performances at OT as he does. Whether we like it or not, people came to see Man United for donkeys years because of the football par excellence dished up on a platter week after week after week! Fans will take the odd one or two games where the performances are not great, but to still keep coming, watching some of the dire performances that are prevelent table fare at OT now – that will just not happen mate for a lot of fans. I mean it is an expensive DEAL for fans to fork out, but it is stomach-able IF we were still playing our usual brand of entertaining, free flowing football – sadly we are not. Also a lot of United fans I can tell you are becoming very upset at NOT being considered or listened to by the OT money men now. I believe as attendences drop, AND OUR WORLDWIDE TV AUDIENCE stops switching on for United games, because our play is so far removed from the great games of other seasons, then THE MONETARY LOSS will speak more to the Glazers and our club management than anything else. United are taking too much for granted the loyalty and GOOD WILL of their fans, and honestly mate, I think they are in for a backlash if they continue. A lot of United fans I talk too don’t want to be little loyalist sheep anymore, told what to do and think! So time will tell if I am right or not.
I agree with you about the cemetary atmosphere at OT, but again Management can blame themselves, because they didn’t think of the fans and maintain the history of the FANATICAL, salt of the earth Stretford End and its fans, as L’pool kept the history of the KOP. So I have no sympathy for them.
Fergie is either lying to us, or he is telling us whoppers. Either way I would lke him to FESS up, because IF as he keeps mouthing he has the money to buy, and yet makes the excuses he sees no value in the market, well frankly I have to question his judgement!
December 16th, 2009 at 13:47
I honestly felt as if I was watching a reserves game yesterday. Perhaps that was because it was the Wolves reserve team and United were playing like a bunch of reserves? Honestly, out of all the years I have been watching United play football, I have never been more bored and frustrated as I am this season. Even in the seasons we were not winning and Arsenal and Chelsea were winning I was never truly bored by our style of play. Rooney (the #8 kind) and Ronaldo brought so much flair to our team. However, I have actually fallen asleep watching our team from time to time this season
Something is happening at Old Trafford and I do not know what it is. Whatever the problem is it stinks! I am not sure if it is financial, tactical, or a management issue, but something is not right. I feel it may be a combination of all three. Financial because of our debt and it is causing a problem. Tactical, because ever since Queiroz left (or perhaps just a coincidence) our tactics have been terrible. And management, as Fergie has shunned Nani, played Giggs and Scholes too much, played Rooney at times when he should not have, and screwed us in the transfer market among other things.
Look, I love Fergie as much as the next supporter, but we need a change. Perhaps that does not mean for Fergie to retire, but we need a solid number two who could possibly be a replacement when Fergie does retire. This might help our tactical and management issues slightly. As for the debt…
December 16th, 2009 at 14:06
So now its blame it on financial instability and Fergie’s tactics right. Ok, Rooney and Ronaldo brought flair, now its out the door. So everybody is fed up. Are we really that bad now??? Some people even think we will not win the league. Ok great!!!. Now you want united to play and attack like Barca. Well that’s not a bad idea. But you’ve got to look at teams who play so well and win nothing.Example is Arsenal. They’ve won nothing in the last 4 seasons. Villa played well last season. But they’ve won nothing. Portsmouth was not that entertaining when they won the FA cup. So we have the money and we refuse to spend. How many times do we spend big???? We are no Real/Chelsea. We are good old UNITED with good old FERGIE who believes so much in good old HEADS and will even offer new contracts to 34/37 yr olds. So we cant rant all day about it or swallow it hard. I don’t see anything changing. At least not until after the World Cup. Maybe then we might go to the market. Till then lets pray and support the lads.
But don’t ever write them off. They just might pull the biggest shocker this season with things looking so out of place.
ONE UNITED!!!
December 16th, 2009 at 14:08
Fergie is just playing the political game currently, we have spent £30m net since the Glaziers have taken over and it is Fergies burning desire to over take Liverpools titles and nothing will stop him doing that.
We rotate too much we all know that but the manager wants to win as much as he can and does not have the money to spend big anymore hence him talking up our youth and talking down the value in the market.
Personally I think he has done an incredible job considering the lack of true quality running through the squad and only he could get out of what he does and that should be respected.
December 16th, 2009 at 14:29
@RichmondRed: That’s the problem Richmond – people are falling asleep at home, watching Old Trafford games on TV. Whenever has that been the case with Man United in the past? TV audiences used to hate Half Time whistles, because the United games were so thrilling, and edge of steat stuff. Now we are lucky if they get to half time without falling asleep as they watch. This can only be good in one sense thought! United fans have always goaded other fans that they couldn’t fill their stadiums, but slowly and SURELY is is coming back to us, because like Red Tan said there were a lot of empty seats against Wolves, or seats in other areas that were only filled by schooldkid parties with cheap entrance tickets! If this continues our revenues will truly drop perhaps, and THEN Management will HAVE TO ADDRESS the problems when they can’t keep taking fans for granted!
December 16th, 2009 at 14:34
@RichmondRed: Its not something bro… There is only one things that is wrong at OT and which stinks badly and that is GLAZIER…
And like Craigy said unless they are getting there Revenue hit they are not going to feel anything… Sadly, it may be too late by then…
There is only one thing here that can rescue our club and that is GLAZIER OUT…
December 16th, 2009 at 14:37
@Stephen: Precisely.. I mean this is exactly what me and GROGY was saying couple of days back.. No matter whether we like the tactics or not, no matter we have enough quality or not, no matter we have settled team or not but, some how FERGIE is just getting the best out of lads. I mean we are tide on points with CHELSEA, the same CHELSEA which has so much money, quality for every position as well as incredible money….
We have to HATS of for FERGIE for that.. But…..
December 16th, 2009 at 14:40
@CraigMc: Yeah, if my numbers are correct then there were more than 2000 seats which were empty so, around GBP 0.1mn gate revenue is lost in the night.
December 16th, 2009 at 14:52
The players can only do what the manager tells them
The manager can only work with what he has
10 years ago I think fergie would have walked if what is happening to the club now was happening then.
I do get the feeling Fergie is not being straight with us. Is he looking for the best interests of the club and fans or just searching for another trophy/
Put it this way. If Fergie said I have no money, we are up to our eyes in debt. I never wanted to sell Ronaldo. We are skint. Would that be for the good of the club and its fans. Obviously not as players and sponsors are quick to depart any sinking ship.
We are a huge global business so you have to expect that every thing that comes out of the club is subject to spin and propagander in the name of commercial business success.
I would rather have a Fergie with one hand tied behind his back towing the company line than no Fergie and that c^nt of a man Glazier.
Please get rid of glazier, fans of the world point your anger at the correct man. you have a go at fergie, the man who brought so much success and leave the man who brought so much debt. IT IS CRAZY
Glazier out
December 16th, 2009 at 14:58
@Onkar: They sell cheap tickets to schools and have 1000s of empty seats. I would have loved to see 2.000 local lads from local kids football teams who care about united at £10 a head than some rich local school who brings a class of kids who boo and could not give a f*ck.
We need a local young fan base and empty seats is the best way to get them in. empty seats no cash. local kids and dads £10 each equils cash and future customers
Simple
Glazier out
it is embaressing
December 16th, 2009 at 15:00
@Onkar: Well said
Fergie Yes
Glazier No
December 16th, 2009 at 15:03
RedTan – Fergie supported the Glazers coming to the club, aND HAS SUPPORTED THEM TO THE HILT EVER SINCE. So how do you respect that. SAF went along with everything at the beginning, and he is still going along with it NOW!
December 16th, 2009 at 15:03
@Traverse: Fair enough it is christmas and I sang feed the scouser loud enough. I just feel our actual players and manager deserve a better support.
After all we have acheived the last few years. The lads we have now are the heros
December 16th, 2009 at 15:15
@Craig Mc: So the day Glazier walks in the door. Fergie calls the press and says “some yank tit has bought us on the never never, this is a mess we will be skint in 5 years i am of, thanks united and bye”
Most people would say fergie what a tw*t and we would have won fuk all and lost most of our players and probably be sat mid table on our third or fourth manager.
Fergie continues to do what is best for the club, he beleives in the culture and infastructure he has spent most of his life building. He continues to bring success. Imagine what life would be like with all the money we have brough in the last few years through prize money and the sale of youth players. Imagine if that £150 odd million had gone to the club and not in interest payments.
Would we have a better team playing better football
As some one that buys tickets do i want my cash going to the club or an american bank to pay interest as some yank tw*t thought i will have united and pay as little of my own money as I can get away with
3 leagues
2 european cup finals
1 world club cup
you strengthen at this point and dominate not sell your assets to pay debt
December 16th, 2009 at 15:18
@Onkar: I dont think carrick gets enough credit. he has been fantstic at the back this last few weeks
December 16th, 2009 at 15:41
Birminghom City are higher in the table than Pools after 16 matches…In RAFA WE TRUST..
December 16th, 2009 at 15:56
RedTan – errr Ronaldo was always going to go mate, no matter how much we offered him in wages and inducements. Ronaldo said that himself, and said that he had promised his dying Father just before his death, that he would accept the Real Madrid shirt and play for them, because it was his destiny just like his Dad had told him it was. So whatever the Glaziers or the club offered him – he wanted Real Madrid. So you cannot blame the Glaziers for that decision, because they said all along he would not be sold IF the club and Fergie were insistent to keep him. Problem is it didn’t matter whether they wanted to keep him or not – Ronaldo wanted out, and was determined to get his way! We were fortunate that Fergie was able to persuade Ronnie to give uus an extra year!
I know exactly why Fergie went along with the party line mate, and still goes along with it. PProblem is though, like you have just admitted yourself – the party line is costing United and if gates continue to DROP and they will do IF we dont get at least a couple of world class players to bring back the Old style United brand of football, and TV deals fail for the same reasons – people being bored to death by a team at United of which many of the players are ordinary – then the Glaziers will pay, and not in a nice way. But that is the ONLY way that the Glaziers will act, when the NOT ACTING starts to hit their pockets. There are still many money grabbing shareholders at United in high places, who could bloody wait to get hold of the Glazer money for their shares. They sold the SOUL of United to the DEVIL, and they will feel the enormity of what they have done, when/if the United ship continues to lose revenue and sink! I agree with you, I am a Salford Red born and bread, and breastfed Man United since the day I was born. We do need to bring back ALL THE LOCAL BASED KIDS and their Dads etc, but it is a LONG LONG TIME since Fergie, and the Management at OT together with the Glazers ever gave a fuck about the local community fans. Yeah Fergie would have been cutting his own throat to leave on principle, and it he wasn’t prepared to do that. All this Oh SAF wants what is best for Man United always – I can’t stomach it mate, because the LOCAL COMMUNITY fans have always been Man United, but we are the last thing considered by the vociferous money eating authorities that are greedy getting out of us our hard earned dosh. They long time stopped caring about the little people like the fans RedTan. That is why they will reap what they have sown mate!
December 16th, 2009 at 16:05
@Craig Mc: I think we are both manchester lads that love our club and hate to see what is going on.
December 16th, 2009 at 16:31
Hi guyz, How have all of you been? I’v been away from redrants a while now but I see the fun din’t stop while I was away. It was a pretty disappointing weekend but thank God for wolves handing us the three points yesterday. And that third goal was just incredible.
December 16th, 2009 at 16:38
@Spizzy: Hi spizzy – welcome back
December 16th, 2009 at 16:41
@RedTan: Your right there mate. And I will tell you this, while apologising to all our fans from every other part of the world, lest I offend them – but when the United ground was FILLED with mostly fans from the local based community, the atmosphere inside Old Trafford was second to none – and very bloody scary for opposing teams in EVERY GAME. I am sure you know that and will AGREE!
December 16th, 2009 at 16:54
@Spizzy: The third goal was a fluke of a finish from an ass called Valencia… It was heading for the post…
December 16th, 2009 at 17:10
@Darth Red Diablo: You need luck in whatever you do… And That goal wasn’t a fluke… It was very well executed…
December 16th, 2009 at 18:10
@Darth Red Diablo: I wonder what you would be saying if Ronaldo had scored it probably goal of the season.
December 16th, 2009 at 18:29
@Red Ranter: I know but deep inside I feel castrated I guess.
December 16th, 2009 at 18:47
@AndyCR7: He could beany one of a half dozen trolls who have shown up here on one fo RR’s long weekends off who are determined to let me have it with their online hooliganisitic ways. Never underestimate the bitterness and stupidity of some people. They just carry hatred and animosity around with them because they do not have the communication skills or the IQ to converse and debate with others and actually make their point, so they bad mouth them instead like cowards or common snakes in the grass. It might have been that idiot Oberfan who got booted off a few weeks ago. He claimed to have followed this blog for a long time.
Guys like that hate me because I am too opinionated and that I don’t tow the company line and basically bow to Fergie and call him Sire. They hate that they cannot feel confident and in control when they debate with me because I am frankly to on top of my game for them to compete and they get intimidated and embarrassed because they do not have the skills to make their case because all they understand is the code of a Neanderthal hooligan. They aren’t really United or footy fans but common day online Nazi’s. Little geeky stormtrooper Brownshirts who like to bully others and tell them how they should think and how to support. Of course they are going to have problems with me and then RR after he boots them off the blog. Truthfully mate, I wouldn’t concern yourself with them. Their hatred and stupidity is even recognized on RedCafe and other sites and if anything, it probably gets enough curious to come over here and give this blog a look see.
As for me, my mantra has never been to bully others or to show hatred or dislike to United or to disrespect fellow members. I have my beliefs and viewpoints and quite often I am very opinionated and very passionate about how I feel. I would think this was a blessing to a site rather than a curse. But there always the Homeland Security types of right wing bastards who just don’t like it when one is too honest and speaks his mind. I love this blog and appreciate and respect every member, even the ones who argue and dislike me. But there have been a few who have come out of nowhere that are just evil individuals bent on my destruction. They come on here and do not offer one single grain of supporter opinion on United or the game. All they want say and be known for is that they challenged Grognard and got nasty and personal with him. For those types I have no sympathy. They are sad human beings with and dark soul and aren’t worth spit in my books. This guy over at RedCafe is probably one of those. To Hell with him. I mean he dislikes RR too. That’s like disliking ice cream or football or beautiful woman. RR is a fair friendly individual and a stand up bloke and we all know it.
December 16th, 2009 at 18:50
@CraigMc: You said it mate. As far as Red Rants is concerned, we are often imitated but never duplicated. We are cream to their excrement. Jealousy and hatred are strong emotions and if they carry that, we certainly do not need them around here anyway.
December 16th, 2009 at 18:53
@CraigMc: I noticed that too. It’s like he has decided he will be the new Ronaldo but without the prolific goal scoring and accurate footwork and passing. He needs to respect the player who is coming on to replace him and having a fellow Scouser and England teammate coming on, you would think he would embrace him and wish him well. Instead he just cam short of spitting in his face. Man I do not like the body English of this side of late. Supposedly a together group, they do not always show it. There is a selfish streak with certain players.
December 16th, 2009 at 19:00
@Onkar: That’s not the kind of appreciation I want mate. I takeno enjoyment in having some bitter and angry ass clown going to other blogs and insulting me, but mostly, he is way out of line for insulting RR who is a friend to all of us here and who I personally feel is one of the nicest individuals and fairest I have ever run across. And i have had many a colossal disagreement on things with him both on this site or via e-mail but I have always maintained my liking and respect for the man because he honestly tries very hard to be just and fair, even when I am not seeing it that way. It may bug me that a coward is bad mouthing me on other blogs but to bad mouth Red Ranter, that’ like spitting on Jesus or cursing Allah. The lad is a saint as far as I am concerned and he has to put up with a lot crap that many of us cause on this blog, especially me. Whoever this MickeyOwen scumbag is, he is a coward and troll and he needs to meet me on a street for an old fashioned knuckle sandwich. Ah if only life were that easy.
December 16th, 2009 at 19:01
@Onkar: Yes this is Red Rants, not Red Chants or Red Pants.
December 16th, 2009 at 19:01
@Darth Red Diablo: “it was headed for the crossbar”? What are you on about? It went in the goal, so therefore it was never headed for the crossbar. I’ve heard a lot of pathetic hate against players on this site, but that doesn’t even make sense.
December 16th, 2009 at 19:05
@NicoQB: Seriously doubt that mate but if by some small smidgen of a percentage point of a chance I have anything to do with United signing either one, it will be a glorious moment for me. Of course I would never have any way of finding out. But on the .00001% chance the brain trust at OT listen to the all knowing Grognard
, then let me also add Milos Krasic, Klaas Jan Huntelaar, Yoann Gourcuff and Philip Lahm to my want list. Now lets see what kind of pull I have. 
But on a serious note I have noticed in the past when I allude to something or have a very independent thought, the next thing I notice is that very thought does occasionally circulate to other blogs and some of the tabloid papers. It’s rather shocking and ridiculous.
December 16th, 2009 at 19:11
@Onkar: Ahh, now you are talking. Yes my goal is to turn the team into Borussia Manscheister FC. I do love my Germans mate but I also am a big fan of Dutch football, as well as the Russians and several other countries like Argentina. What I am not a big fan of is French football and i absolutely hate anything Italian when it comes to the great game. I like Scandinavian football too and respect Brazil but surprisingly am not a fan of their game and style. I hate Spain but respect their football and African footballers are great athletes but I cannot say that I have ever taken a liking to an African footballer other than Essien. Style of play for me is like watching a million Diarra’s bore me to death.
December 16th, 2009 at 19:26
@Darth Red Diablo: one
December 16th, 2009 at 19:32
@Grognard: i would rather be brazillian than russian
December 16th, 2009 at 19:34
@Grognard: I hope that unlike that Owen from some other blog,i am in your good list
December 16th, 2009 at 19:34
@Darth Red Diablo: didnt you already get in trouble for making pointless and unfunny posts
December 16th, 2009 at 19:37
@Darth Red Diablo: and would kill what little “gel” our first team has
December 16th, 2009 at 19:37
this is funny…
December 16th, 2009 at 19:38
@Stephen: This trio really are the Three Stooges. I like each player individually but as a collective, they leave a lot to be desired. What are we to do? I like Rooney a lot despite the fact he has been in a season long run of poor form. I have mentioned my feelings on why this before but the fact is that I also like Berbatov and Owen a lot. So much so that I would want all three to play more often.
This leads me to believe that two things need to be determined once and for all. First, does Dimitar Berbatov have a long range future with the club. I love the Count but his play does not inspire many or thrill many even though I feel he is a genius playing in a system and team that does not bring out his best qualities. Owen for me is nothing more than Ole Gunnar Solksjaer. He is at a time in his career where starting him is ok but using him as a super sub is probably the way to go to limit his injury potential and to get longevity out of his 30 year old body. Rooney whether many of us like it or not is a fixture on this club and will always start whether some like it or not. So that leaves me the question of Berbatov. Do we continue with the experiment or does the team cut it’s losses, sell him to a Spanish, Italian or German team and then go buy what we all would categorize as a true goal scoring machine?
Berba is one of my favorites but like Nani, anther fave, I think it’s time for the Bulgarian to move on. A great player but under the present circumstances, he is and always will be a square peg trying to fit into a round hole. We can play the denial game all we want but the fact is unless this team gets a multi million pound makeover in player personal, this team will continue to play this style of football indefinitely. This means we will continue to see what we have been seeing from Berba. Like him as much as i do, I still have to say that is not good enough. It’s 75% not his fault, but then his playing style is not very adaptable and he hasn’t altered his game enough to overcome the difference. It’s time to sell him and hope to make around 15 to 20 million and just live with that. Fergie’s tactics and rotation is not doing anything for any of our players but it seems to bring out as much as possible as far as team results go. We need a goal scoring presence up front and to have Rooney return to the roll of a support striker while having the pressure of being the go to man removed from his overly burdened shoulders. Then not only will we get a goal scorer but perhaps the old Rooney will return and make this club a faster and more attack oriented club.
December 16th, 2009 at 19:47
@Grognard: @Onkar: agreed
December 16th, 2009 at 19:50
@dgame: Interesting perspective mate. In any year other than this I would tend to agree with you. Fergie is not known for buying a lot in January and isn’t the kind of manager that likes to add a wild card to his team in the middle of the season which risks breaking the team’s chemistry. But seeing as this team has no chemistry especially in midfield and attack, I think he might actually make a move or two in January. A couple of reason for my optimism in this area.
Fist off, the World Cup is this summer and Fergie who is always playing the role of the cheap Scotsman is not about to allow star player targets to go to the World Cup and risk their price tag escalating too high. It therefore makes way more sense to use your allocated transfer money this January as opposed tot he summer. Secondly, Very few teams are in the financial position to go after high priced talent in January. It’s usually just a period to buy a player or two on the cheap for a patch up.
United have shown interest in certain players but two that come to mind are Krasic and Akinfeev. There season will be over in January and thus a move for them is easier to do in January than in the summer. Akinfeev is probably the number one target but I do see United possibly moving for Krasic in January and I do see them going for a central defender for the future like Kjaer or this Serbian kid that’s in the news today who plays in Russia. As for big names or goalkeepers like Neuer, the money issue makes me believe none of them will show up but if we were to get Neuer, I doubt that deal could be made until after the entire season is over. There is a possibility that they could agree on a deal in January but that Neuer would stay until season’s end. I’m fine with that. But as for Benzema, Villa, Torres, Dzeko, Lahm, and othe big names coming here, I don’t believe it and I refuse to believe it because I am still of the belief that we have very little money to play with. Fergie must realize that goalkeeper and and a productive and exciting winger is what we need badly and I think he will go after players who will fill those voids. As for Benzema, well I suppose there is a possibility but it completely depends on a major price reduction, and that fact that Madrid have signed Villa.
December 16th, 2009 at 19:51
@dgame: But Grognard is not just your average blog post.
December 16th, 2009 at 19:53
@Stephen: i thought it was bc of berbas assist sic no look overhead flip
December 16th, 2009 at 19:55
@AndyCR7: that was good
December 16th, 2009 at 19:59
@Onkar: Carrick may have saved his United career by becoming a bit of a revelation at CB. If he continues to improve there he may just win the position permanently. The chances are slim but hear me out. What Carrick brings to that position is what we lost when we gave up on Pique. A CB with composure on the ball and the ability to distribute passes and move up into the attack. Carrick has been fine defensively but his passing and sweeping ability is very reminiscent of the Beckenbauer libero role with Bayern Munich in the 70’s. Defense is still priority but his ability to control the ball and then distribute a long range laser of a pass to start a counter or to move up and offer an attacking option is something that we have never had. Brice and Vida were good coming forward on set play but Carrick controls the game as a sweeper/CB and has the ability to initiate the attack and control the tempo better than he was doing as a central midfielder. The last time I saw such a revelation at an unexpected position was Hargo while he was at Bayern. Magath often placed him as an advanced sweeper and his control of the game and ability to mop up everything in front of him and then distribute seemed sublime. Unfortunately just when Magath was ready to allow Hargo to get comfortable in his new role, he went and broke his leg. All these injuries to our back four may be a blessing in disguise because I am hoping that the more Carrick plays there, the more he will show the manager.
December 16th, 2009 at 19:59
@gator: Really is was a tap in then was it?
December 16th, 2009 at 20:01
@Stephen: Fergie is also being very protective of Owen. He is very well aware of Owen’s injury history and at 30 he does not want to risk old injuries coming back and burning the lad out. But what does bother me is that on the flip side he is burning Rooney out by not giving this lad needed rest.
December 16th, 2009 at 20:03
@Grognard: I think Rooney is burning himself out Grog, for running all over the field like an ever ready batteried Bunny! I wouldn’t blame SAF for Rooney’s trying to be Tarzan all over the place
December 16th, 2009 at 20:07
@dgame: Those of us in the know never compare our present team with other teams like Barca and Arsenal mate. All we have to do is look to our own history and compare the present team to the many other united clubs that DID play the game that we are all craving. It’s that simple really, we want a return to the old school style of football that made Fergie’s career and legacy, not this slow Italian brand of boring rotating Rafaholic football. There are valid concerns with this team that are not being addressed.
December 16th, 2009 at 20:08
@Grognard: Strikers who score goals are confident and need more games especially one wanting to ply in a World Cup, 30 isn’t exactly over the hill and after that game he would have been raring for another.
December 16th, 2009 at 20:12
@dgame: Even if this team wins the league, it does not take away the fact that the team is headed for disaster or that not all is well with the club. We must never use winning the EPL as the benchmark for our success. The benchmark of our success is twofold. It’s about winning in Europe and winning with style because that is the United way. We must beat the Barcelona’s to feel that this team is where it ought to be. Anything short of that is a failure in my books because Fergie himself has created the benchmark for our success.
This season in the EPL may crown a champion that has 8 or 9 losses. That does not impress me and it also tells me that nobody in England is dominant anymore. So beating the best form Spain and italy is for me the true test of where we are at. And trust me, this present team is not beating Barca anytime soon.
December 16th, 2009 at 20:20
@Stephen: No mate, Fergie’s number one goal is not beating Liverpool’s record. Yes he wants to do that but the thing that plays on the back of his mind more than anything is the belief that his team should have won more European silverware. He wants the team under his reign to go down with the Paisley Liverpool sides and the AC Milan’s, Bayern’s, Ajax and Madrid sides of the past that have four or more European Cups. Under him United have won two. He has stated this many times before in interviews. This Italian/English hybrid style of play we use is designed to gain success more in Europe than in England. And despite our loss to Barcelona, we went through the CL last season unscathed by playing the way we do. He has learned a lot by studying the way AC Milan and Juve play in Europe and has incorporated much of that style with United unfortunately. He wants a minimum of one more European Cup and that is his single driving force. Anything above that is just a bonus. He no longer has anything to prove in England. Even if he overtakes Liverpool’s record, chances are Liverpool or some other team will one day overtake United’s. But nobody can take away his European Cups. He wants more so that he can be compared favorably with the greatest managers of all time.
December 16th, 2009 at 20:27
@Grognard: I agree but disagree, he has openly admitted we should have won more European Cups but under his control and with time not being on his side he only has “knocking Liverpool off their fucking perch” left which meant league titles and once he has done that, which he will, for me he will retire.
December 16th, 2009 at 20:27
@Onkar: This clubs winning and continued success is completely due to Fergie. Whether we like or dislike his tactics and player rotations, he is indeed bringing out the very best out of a team that would be a10 to 156 points worse under any other manager. We are not that talented anymore and the fact remains that part of the reason we seem so boring is not just down to tactics. It’s down to the fact we haven’t got the talent and finesse to break down teams and score lots of goals. Our offensive skilled players are limited and our midfield and wide play is nonexistent because the players are just not good enough. The problem with our play and the team’s boring style is more attributed to the Glazer’s leaving Fergie with no money to spend in order to improve the first team and it’s overall style because of that injection of high priced talent. We are not Lyon, we need to buy big players and expect them to be the missing link to our offensive woes. The represent squad is missing a number of key players that would make all the difference to our team. This I blame on the owners unless it eventually comes out that yes indeed we do have plenty of money on players and Fergie has been hoarding the money. Then and only then would the boss ever receive my scathing condemnation.
December 16th, 2009 at 20:29
@dgame: Rooney hasn’t got THE ARSENAL of weapons and talent that Ronaldo has, AND I DONT CARE how much Fergie and others treat him and want him to be like Ronaldo, he won’t EVER be like Ronnie, because he is not Ronnie and never will be. In view of his mediocre games of late, I would like to ask you why you think he should be treated like Ronaldo. Don’t you know thats half Rooney’s bloody problem mate? He is trying to be a Ronaldo, instead of just getting on with being Rooney!
December 16th, 2009 at 20:32
@Craig Mc: That is a factor that bugs me to this day mate. As much as I love him and want to support him and have faith in him, his loyalty to that cabal of snakes leaves me cold inside. I think it’s his way of watching over United because anarchy would force him to leave and thus leave the club in chaos and headed in the direction of Leeds and Liverpool. I think he is actually our guardian angel here protecting the club form them by just sticking around and getting the very best out of a rag tag bunch that no other manager would have even a semblance of success with. He is playing for time mate hoping the Glazer’s sell before he feels it’s safe to retire and place the club in the hands of another manager. Right now he is doing a great job as gatekeeper or matriarch.
December 16th, 2009 at 20:36
@gator: I’d rather be German than Russian or Brazilian.
December 16th, 2009 at 20:36
@owen: Love ya Mickey.
December 16th, 2009 at 20:37
@Stephen: I agree with you Stephen completely. The wonder about Owens game is that he isn’t frenzied, running all over the bloody place chasing lost causes. This means he conserves energy, for the vital 3rd of the field, positioning himself off the shoulder of the last man, and ghosting into the box unnoticed when the right ball is thread through. He is the one most likely to get the goals when one on one with the GK. To be goal sharp though, he has to be match sharp by PLAYING. Fergie is too sentimental, he sticks by big money signings like Rooney and Berba, and it is just not working.
December 16th, 2009 at 20:43
@Stephen: I’m not disagreeing with you. I for one believe in momentum and confidence. If a player is on a hot streak, you play him. But Fergie is not your conventional thinker these days. He isn’t out to make friends or even be popular with his players. All he cares about is winning and keeping the team as rested and as fresh as possible thus the rotating. Owen was always bought as #3 striker. Solksjaer came on vs Forest years ago and scored four goals. He never started the game after that. The reason is because Fergie had a predetermined role for him and he sticks to his guns. He knows Owen is 30 and has had a long history of injuries. Therefore, he will use him carefully and will not allow his greed to overtake his common sense. Whether you or I agree with him matters little, in the end he is the Boss and I have to say even though I would like to see more of Owen, he probably is right. I personally couldn’t care less about Owen’s England ambitions. My concern as well as Fergie’s is United, not England. If Capello cannot see the value in Owen right now, playing more will not make a difference either.
December 16th, 2009 at 20:45
@Stephen: Sure but try telling him that. He thinks he can win three in a row because he suffers from denial and too much positive energy. Fergie is certainly not a defeatist.
December 16th, 2009 at 20:47
@CraigMc: AY MEN to that bro. There is only one Ronny and he frankly is one of a kind. Simply the best.
December 16th, 2009 at 21:35
If I was Brasilian, I would have won the Ballon Do`R already.
Just imagined myself as a brasillian… Damn, I`m tan!
Check out all those latin babes, playing beach soccer in January, speaking with a sexy latin accent and coming from one of the great footballing nations. My shooting tecnique is now world known, a new brasilian, wonderful style to hit the ball for a free kick. I am world famous!
I wish I was brasilian…
December 16th, 2009 at 21:53
@gator: Mate… When has Anderson ever done that where it has counted? Heck… When has he even made a killer pass when the situation demanded it?
A way to measure a player’s goodness is what he does Under Pressure?
What does Anderson do?
Present his arse…
December 16th, 2009 at 21:54
@gator: I’ve been here a long time before you… And something you know about Red Rants is that without a joke here or there… There is no fun…
December 16th, 2009 at 21:55
@Johnsom33: Yes I know… There is blind hatred from my part on Valencia…
But IT was a fluke… Heck by the way Valencia celebrated.. Even his faced showed that he was surprised by the finish!
December 16th, 2009 at 22:51
@Darth Red Diablo: And what a massive arse it is too.
December 16th, 2009 at 22:58
@Darth Red Diablo: That’s just how he celebrates! Not celebrating is the new celebrating!
I watched the Chelsea game. Without Drogba they ain’t got shit. Beat Portsmouth reserves (7 changes!) 2-1. Not at all convincingly.
December 16th, 2009 at 23:00
@Darth Red Diablo: Scored the winner against Spurs.
December 16th, 2009 at 23:07
@Traverse: I think we’ll all agree that the winner in that match was Rooney’s brilliant goal in which he took on 2 defenders and shot the goal between the keepers leg… That’s what is brilliant and that’s what killed of the game because at 2-1 at 10 men down… United were still not sure of a win…
December 16th, 2009 at 23:08
@Grognard: Big arse… I sometimes wonder what does Eddy like about him…
And then the answer came to me like a flash….
He wanks off the Anderson presenting his arse…
December 16th, 2009 at 23:10
And to all those who still think that Arsenal are also a title contending side…. Dream on…
They haven’t got a drop of consistency… They get a great result at then they draw….
December 16th, 2009 at 23:15
@ Darth Red Diablo:
Oh yes. I wank to Andersons gigantic ass! I am an ass person, they make me come, especially the incredibly huge, black, hairy, juicy ones. Just like the one Andy has got. The way he rubs his ass to protect the ball towards oppositions genitals makes me so horny, that`s why I like Anderson. That is why I think he will become a great player, because he turns straight men gay. In a way we could never imagine, he is actually making porn on the soccer pitch.
December 16th, 2009 at 23:22
@Footy4Eddy: If only Fergie realises that he has another weapon to fire at the opposition… Won’t we beat Barcelona then!!!
December 16th, 2009 at 23:28
@ Darth Red Diablo:
Yeah, he has Valencia. Whatever you may believe mate, Valencia is a full backs greatest nightmare. Trust me, I know!
Nobody wants to defend their flank against Tony, so whatever you may think about him- He is one hell of a vital asset!
December 16th, 2009 at 23:30
@Footy4Eddy: What makes you think Valencia is a nightmare for full backs? What trait or asset makes you think that? The way he drifts out and crosses the ball EVERY SINGLE FREAKIN time? And the end result being the ball hitting a defender?
Oh yes… That would really make every full back shit in their pants…
December 16th, 2009 at 23:58
@Darth Red Diablo:
So then it’s official, Eddy is an ass man. Christ Anderson has a big ass but he does use it well to shield opponents from the ball. To bad the rest of his game is all ass too. 
December 17th, 2009 at 0:00
@Darth Red Diablo: Arsenal will never amount to shite until they get a goalkeeper and they get a midfield general like what Vieira used to do for them. The club lacks grit and graft and that always does them in.
December 17th, 2009 at 0:00
I am a fullback, that`s how.
First of all, he is probably one of the fastest players to have ever worn the United shirt. He has a strong physique, he can take on an opponent, he has great stamina so he works back as well, which means more running from the defender, and believe it or not, he is a good crosser. It`s not his fault our strikers are either midgets or pussies going in for an aerial duel. But still, he has managed some assists for us this season. Gods sake, when you make Rooney score a header facing a central defence of Bramble and Scharner in a hefty battle you can`t possibly be a bad crosser. Yeah, his cross may not often beat the first man, but I`m not blaming him for that. Our movement in the box is terrible, you should try to notice that. He can`t play a ball behind the defence, nobody ever runs there! But when they do, we score. I`ve noticed this, our movement in the box is horrible mate. 
Tony can`t get a decent ball at the head of our players when the whole defence knows their position. To blame Tony for being predictable with his crossing is wrong. I blame our strikers mate, but you can have a go at Valencia if you like. I just tell ya, if we had a clever striker like Dzeko or Torres or Drogba in our side Valencia would have been our most assisting player. As it stands, he is blamed for his team-mates mistakes… 
December 17th, 2009 at 0:01
@Footy4Eddy: OK Eddy now that was just too much information. YUK!
December 17th, 2009 at 0:03
@Footy4Eddy: Are we talking about the same Valencia mate? Because the one playing for United is no threat to any fullback I know of. Valencia would hard pressed to make Spurs starting lineup yet he starts for us. I don’t get it and I certainly don’t know what Fergie was thinking signing this guy because he is far from world class and we frankly need and deserve a world class right winger.
December 17th, 2009 at 0:08
@Footy4Eddy: OK, I let it pass when you had all this Anderson love which was completely illogical but now you are building up and describing Valencia as a player I have yet to see. He is utter crap mate. If he has speed, I rarely see it because like Nani, he is found standing around or just jogging most of the time. His dribbling skill and first touch is average at best and his crossing is actually quite average bordering on poor. Please please please, start loving players that actually deserve it or who are world class rather than average disappointments who are nowhere near united class. Valencia is a good player but far from being a great player. Krasic for example is ten times the player Valencia is with a great burst of speed and the skills at full speed to make things happen. Valencia cannot do anything right at full speed and he only has one leg to cross with which makes him very easy to mark.
December 17th, 2009 at 0:10
@Grognard
I hope you understand my comment towards Darth regarding Anderson was sarcastic. I`m getting annoyed about it, especially when comments like the one he made are aimed towards me. There is a reason(footballing reason) why I like Ando, and you guys know it. So when comments like that come I get annoyed, think “what the fuck, braindead moron or just a funny guy?”, then try to make a joke about it. They can take it as they like, but most of the time I mean it in a friendly way. Now I`m just getting annoyed because of all the stupidity surrounding me.
Not directed towards you or any specific guy of course, just my general understanding from my discussions and reads from discussions. The game is not like it was 10 or 20, or even 5 years ago! It`s changed, and the sooner we realise what kind of players that are gonna be vital for us the better…
December 17th, 2009 at 0:17
@ Grognard
Fact is Valencia is a new signing settling in. At first I thought he was utter crap, but since October he has grown on me. During my conversations with my coach, friends and just general football fanatics, I was told which type of players that are gonna be vital for the future game. And trust me, that is not the players like Carrick or Scholes, or Oshea for that matter. Gibson, Park, Neville, and Rooney at his worst are the kind of players that are not gonna have a big effect on the future game. Players like Anderson, Valencia, Flecther, De Laet, Rafael, Evans, Rooney at his best and even Pogba are gonna make the difference. That`s why I say we are prepared for the future, we have the right types of players. Whether you like it or not, the game is changing for each month… Heck, each game!
What describes the players that are gonna have a positive effect on the future game I will come back to tomorrow. Right now I have to sleep…
December 17th, 2009 at 1:11
@Darth Red Diablo: You can discount it if it doesn’t fit your theory, that’s fine by me!
December 17th, 2009 at 1:46
@Grognard: OK, the things I like about Valencia.
1/. He gets in the box a lot for a winger.
2/. He’s a strong player and not easy to knock off the ball.
3/. He’s really quite fast.
4/. He’s scoring goals.
The things I don’t like about him.
1/. Seems to need to look at his feet too much. If he would look up more often he would be able to release the ball before running into a dead-end.
2/. Has a peculiar hesitation after beating his defender for speed, which in turn negates his speed. If he could only make the move on the defender and release his cross/pass in a more fluid motion he would be a very good winger.
December 17th, 2009 at 2:14
@Grognard: ……and a bigger investment in the transfer market!!
December 17th, 2009 at 2:47
I like Valencia. I’m always right. So Valencia is great.
Seriously though, I think Valencia is strong athletic and fast. What you look for in a new signing is whether he’ll improve our first team or squad.
On those grounds he’s a major upgrade over Park; can track back if required, and can win the ball on 50:50 chances and has managed to put in far better than Park has managed. I’m also of the opinion that he’s got better decision making than Nani, although Nani is obviously more skilled.
From the first time I saw him play for United I have seen a willingness and a marked improvements in contribution. Sure he can be frustrating, but this season most attackers including Rooney have frustrated me. So that’s not saying much about Valencia.
Finally, call it fluke or whatever you want, but Valencia’s goal return this season so far exceeds goals scored during his entire time at Wigan. He has shown a willingness to get into the box if his crosses don’t work.
He could turn out to be a very effective player for us — he won’t be world class. But he’s far from crap, and currently gives us a better outlet on the wings than any of our other wingers give in terms of thrust and pace. Do I think he’s worth £17m? No. I thought we over paid for him. But do I think he’s going to be a failure at OT. Not at all. I think he will turn out to be rather important this season in our quest to spread the goals around in a bid to make up for the loss of Ronaldo. Sure, and addition like Krasic or someone more creative would help us. But Valencia has been pretty decent this season.
December 17th, 2009 at 3:12
@Red Ranter: More thumbs up than thumbs down here, and I agree that he is our best winger this year.
With the general malaise that has crept into our front men’s performances, it’s easy to delegate blame onto to someone like Valencia who is not yet the finished product.
Solid player, and seems to be improving. And as for the 17m – well lets talk Nani and Anderson to throw some perspective on cost!!
December 17th, 2009 at 4:26
@Footy4Eddy: All I know is my part in it was meant in humor and friendly by nature. As for my question regarding Anderson and Valencia I am sincere about it? I do not get your love for them but I do respect your right to choose and like whomever you want. I just felt like teasing you a bit about both of them since I personally feel the two players are useless. I make no bones about that, I do not like them. Still, that means I respect your choices but I just don’t always understand them is all. You know that i have the utmost respect for you mate so do not bring me into this with Darth. As for Darth, I am sure he was joking because frankly, that’s all he does on here. So do not take him too seriously.
December 17th, 2009 at 4:28
@Footy4Eddy: He was growing on me too but his last three games have been terrible and so he has fallen back to what I originally thought. He is far from a bad footballer but my point has always been that United should not be paying for such a pedestrian player when there were far more talented ones out there available who can skin opponents and deliver precise passes and crosses.
December 17th, 2009 at 4:37
@Redrich: Great points. I notice certain things about him also.
1. Very reliant on his right foot as if his left one does not exist.
2. For someone who is fast, he rarely uses his speed as a weapon and like you said, when he does he often hesitates for some unexplainable reason.
3. Great point about his head always being down. I’d add to that the fact that he is not a very good dribbler as his dribble and control is not tight enough and quite often he loses the ball or gets it stolen because he showed too much.
4. He is unable to cross at full speed or even half speed. He literally has to be at a complete stop to cross and his crosses are not that great. And you can forget about seeing anything from his left foot.
5. He offers nothing in the area of creativity or imagination. Watch a highlight video of him and then watch one of Milos Krasic to know what I mean. No inventiveness that allows him to skin an opponent or to deliver an unexpected pass to an open striker. Pretty tough to do when your head is often down.
5. And this may not be a fault but it bugs the Hell out of me, but he just does not look like he is having much fun. The man never smiles and always looks like somebody snatched his girlfriend. Personally, he depresses me when I see close ups. What a miserable looking bloke.
Now what do I like about him?
1. He does have a surprising presence in the box
2. He is scoring more goals than I was expecting him to score
And that’s it I’m afraid.
December 17th, 2009 at 4:40
@Redrich: No chance of that happening with the cheap economist in charge. That guy is incredibly tight fisted with other people’s money.
December 17th, 2009 at 4:47
@Red Ranter: “On those grounds he’s a major upgrade over Park” First off mate, I would be an upgrade to JS Park. That isn’t exactly a glowing recommendation based on that. Secondly, he is not replacing Park positionally, he is replacing Ronaldo even though he is not THE replacement for Ronaldo’s goal contribution. He has not been terrible but he is not offering this team what it needs most which is a wide game that spreads out defenses and threatens them with dribbling and accurate crosses. His speed is rarely utilized and his crossing is pretty poor considering the number of times he gets balls into the box. He also does not run at defenders enough for me.
I do not think his goal scoring is a fluke I just think that his role is different with us and expectations for him to be more box present is giving him more opportunities then he ever got with a Wigan side that parked the bus 90% of the time and only really ever attacked on the counter. Do I hate the player? Hardly, but he has not lit my fire at all as I find him to be rather boring. Boring is not what you want from a winger.
December 17th, 2009 at 4:50
@Grognard: Grog, I think his crossing has a lot to do with his hesitation. Its as if he has completed one thing (speeding past the wide back), then needs to take a breath before he completes next thing (crossing or passing). It’s quite bizarre really, and I do sometimes wonder whether he is so nervous of failure that he must try to aim instead of react.
December 17th, 2009 at 4:52
@Grognard: I rest my case!!
December 17th, 2009 at 5:53
@Grognard: I am very glad that someone else here is also seeing what I saw in CARRICK as CB For me the best thing that he brings to the defense is calming influence and the ability to distribute ball from back rather than just hoof the long ball forward to the our small striker… Just that at least he should be allowed to play there continuously so he may get bit tougher in nature….
December 17th, 2009 at 6:17
@Grognard: This Darth doesn’t joke now… I was making a sincere point described on facts…
If someone has a problem with me being more argumentative……. He can take it up with RR….
December 17th, 2009 at 6:54
@Grognard: I don’t know but I feel that his hesitancy with crossing after beating the fullback may be down to the positioning of the attackers in the box…. Let us accept first guys that he is old fashioned by line winger who whip the crosses into the box all day long, but to be successful he needs at least one striker who will attack either near or far post all day. I mean just try and remember the Rudd and Becks combo… Thats what we need again a striker who is monster in BOX and will attack the ball like his life is dependent on it… Just tell me if Rudd would have been in the team still do you think all his crosses would have wasted like they have been so far….
Please reasonable with lad… He is far from utter CRAP bro… I mean 12 matches 6 goals and at 2-3 assists… Not a bad return after all…
December 17th, 2009 at 7:03
@Grognard: I was citing an example with Park. But other than Giggs, who at his age can’t be expected to perform week in week out, and the fact that Fergie doesn’t like Nani, Valencia is the best we have. So yes, while he’s not an upgrade over Park, he is an upgrade in our wing position. (And bringing Ronaldo into this is moot, because he was never meant to be a replacement for him. Ronaldo was sold, and we had to upgrade our wing department. There are better candidates, but an upgrade Valencia still is.) And that’s not to be laughed at because I’ve seen better players struggle to adapt to their new side in their first season. Valencia has done far better to acquit himself and I’ve seen signs of improvement in him. Where most others players who’ve failed have had apologists (either our system is not suited for player X or Fergie hates player Y — you know which players I’m referring to) Valencia hasn’t needed apologists.
It’s a different thing that he’s boring/our attack is crap etc etc. There certainly are better wingers around, but I’ll stick with my belief from what I’ve seen of him that he will be a pretty good player for us as this season wears on.
December 17th, 2009 at 9:10
@Red Ranter: +1
December 17th, 2009 at 9:58
My take on Valencia and please don’t anyone call him Tony or Toni especially as it is gay, is that he is a decent player. He certainly doesn’t get my pulse racing but he has come in and has “done a job” as Redknapp would say
Onkar we do have a player who would attack the ball Owen would dart near post or peel off to the far post if he was getting more games.
December 17th, 2009 at 10:03
@Stephen: Yeah… I agree but then there are questions over his fitness level.. We are sure whether he will be able take it week in week out… And we are not using him regularly….So I am missing someone who will bury these chances week in week out like Van the man used to do…
AAaahhhhh… Those were the days…..
December 17th, 2009 at 10:08
@Stephen: Valencia BLAND BLAND BLAND – no excitement whatsoever!
December 17th, 2009 at 10:12
@Red Ranter: Valencia BLAND BLAND BLAND – about as exciting as a sedated cat! And more than a tad monotonous.
December 17th, 2009 at 10:15
@Onkar: I sincerely hope you are not comparing Valencia’s crossing ability to Beckhams crossing ability mate. The big, NO MASSIVE difference is that Becks could always find his man with almost every cross!
December 17th, 2009 at 10:17
Mate he would score on a a regular basis if he was given the games and what questions he has been fitter than the majority of our squad is say play the lad.
December 17th, 2009 at 10:19
@Redrich: Valencia lacks passion Rich, and doesn’t generate excitement when he is on the ball as a result! I mean look at when he gets a goal – so deadpan in his reaction – and for a Latin, this is most unusual. He is quite boring and robotic really.
December 17th, 2009 at 10:25
@Grognard: Grog a big disappointment for us now, is that we have got speed on our wings BOTH sides with Obertan and Valencia but both ARE VERY GIRLISH and do not get stuck in, AND FIGHT to prevent being dispossessed. Obertan can beat defenders, but I notice that he is all too often getting ball stuck betwwen his feet with those gangly legs of his. Though he has ability to dribble past defenders, his END PRODUCT, well there isn’t one! Yet I don’t see his decision making being criticised – typical!
December 17th, 2009 at 10:37
@Redrich: Yeah lets talk Nani eh? He can get balls into the box and find a red shirt more than Valencia ever can at the moment. He can take corners which clear the first defender, AND I am sure for the miniscule amount of games he has played, he has MORE ASSISTS than Valencia (somebody tell me if I am wrong on this.) SO anybody who denies the above things IS A LIAR. Rene Muelenstein on his hour interview in Red Cafe last night was asked what management thought about Nani. He said that Nani has been carrying an ankle injury, but he also said ‘Nani is a player that will give you that moment of magic that makes a difference’. I agree with that, because Nani has MADE the assists that made a change – especially in our CL games at CSKA, Besikatas, and Wolsburg AWAY games. The assists that COUNTED. I don’t mind you all lambasting Lil man, but I do mind that you cannot through your blindness see what he does contribute.
December 17th, 2009 at 10:39
@Red Ranter: YOUR WRONG!
December 17th, 2009 at 11:29
@CraigMc: I no where said that he is better crosser than Becks…. But, all I am doing is using the analogy to put my point across…
The point is simple that to be a successful old fashioned by line winger you have to have a goal poacher attacking your crosses like Becks had Rudd…