Sep 02
Reds declare Champions’ League squad: Hargo in, Tosic, de Laet out
United have released a list of their Champions’ League squad members, and importantly, Owen Hargreaves is a part of it. The 25-man squad also includes Kiko Macheda, Gabriel Obertan and Darron Gibson. However, Anderson has been relegated to the secondary list of additional 10 members which includes Welbeck and Evans.
Curiously, Zoran Tosic doesn’t even feature in any of the lineups.
25-man squad: 1.Van der Sar, 2.Neville, 3.Evra, 4.Hargreaves, 5.Ferdinand, 6.Brown, 7.Owen, 9.Berbatov, 10.Rooney, 11.Giggs, 12.Foster, 13.Park, 15.Vidic, 16.Carrick, 17.Nani, 18.Scholes, 20.Fabio, 21.Rafael, 22.O’Shea, 24.Fletcher, 25.Valencia, 26.Obertan, 27.Macheda, 28.Gibson, 29.Kuszczak.
Additional players registered: 8.Anderson, 19.Welbeck, 23.J.Evans, 31.C.Evans, 33.Hewson, 36.Gray, 37.Cathcart, 38.Zieler, 39.Chester, 40.Amos.
Edit: Another strange exclusion is Richie de Laet
Edit 2: according to UEFA rules additional players could be added i.e., any player born on or after 1 January 1988 who has been eligible to play for the club for any uninterrupted period of two years since his 15th birthday.
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@Stephen: Oh and watch it mate, I am going to report your ‘smart arse’ comment to your soon to be wife, and let her sort you out for me
. Hope she duffs you up good and proper, although knowing you, you will probably enjoy that 
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wait for 2 years…
De Laet will be our new Daniel Alves
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@Red Ranter: Apologies then ye all
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@Craig Mc: Believe so mate, he was born 28th November 1988, I certianly don’t have anything upstairs so you beat me there!
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@Craig Mc:
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@owen:
Ben Foster= Our Iker Casillas
Rafael= Our Dani Alves
Evans= Our John Terry
De Laet= Our Philip Lahm
Obertan= Our Arjen Robben
Gibson= Our Frank Lampard
Anderson= Our Riquleme
Nani= Our new Cristiano Ronaldo
Macheda= Our Didier Drogba
Welbeck= Our Thierry Henry
Fabio= New Louis Saha
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@jezz: At one time players used to be insured by the big clubs, incase of serious injury that brought about forced retirement from football. Anybody else heard that, and do clubs still insure the players to cover illness and long term and no comeback injuries?
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@Craig Mc: Yes mate, they are also usually insured for five seasons of the salary in case they have a career ending injury.
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@Craig Mc: Madrid insured Ronaldo’s legs for 90 Million Pounds!!!
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@ RR – Apologies, I cannot believe De Laet is 6’1″. Looked a lil lad next to the other defenders! Well then…
Also thanks for responses on Rafael – dislocated shoulder. That’s a nasty one, cause they can be recurring (see Walcott, Theo).
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@ Footy4Eddy : and…
Ljajic = our new Zidane
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@Beachryan: No worries. This page is good for tracking first teamer injuries.
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@owen: and…
Eddy= Our new Essien
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take it anderson not being in the 1st squad due to his “words” with the manager, still annoyed that he is not in it tho
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@Darth Red Diablo: HOW GAY
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@Stephen: So I was right then. We won’t take a huge loss if Hargo doesn’t make a comeback – financially. Football wise though – doesn’t bear thinking about!
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@ Brad, the 2 squads makeup has got nothing to do with favouritism/doghouse politics, its got to do with Fergie using the rules to include as many players as possible. The reason Anderson is on the second list is because of his birthdate, you can have as many younger players born before a certain date who have had 2 yrs uninterrupted service with the club on the “b” list therefore allowing someone, like Gibson to have the “a” list place because he wouldn’t qualify for the “b” list. Does this make it any clearer?
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so this could be andersons last season…well world cups around the corner and no doubt andy mouthed for more playing time…well de leat should get enough chances in the carling cup and stuff, fabio plays on both wings but what really surprised me was evans on the wait list which is rather odd
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@Phoenix Red: Very much clearer – thankyou
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@Phoenix Red: I get the “a” list, and I get the “b” list, but I’m still confused as to who’s on the “shit” list??
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@Footy4Eddy: You are certainly HIGH.. What in the world did you smoke up???
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Tosic, De Laet and Petrucci not in A list as there are 25 better players ahead of them and they don’t qualify for B list as they have not been at the club at least 2 years. Of the players who had Premier League squad numbers last year and are not away on loan now the only other player not in CL squad is James(I think he just played the last game of the Premier League as number 47). The CL rule of players under 21 and been at the club 2 years really impacts on the signings of a club, maybe why Sir Alex didn’t want anymore players for now. It will be interesting if Ljajic and/or Diouf make the CL squad in Feb for knockout stages if United progress, and if so I wonder who would be dropped from the squad if that happened. No need to loan out De Laet, Tosic or Petrucci as they are still available for all the other matches. De Laet and Tosic in particular will add freshness off the bench after or before CL games and in the cups.
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@Phoenix Red: Thanks for clearing up the ‘a’ list, ‘b’ list enigma.
Still think anderson’s in the dog house with fergie, I heard fergie on an interview say some player don’t need any motivation to perform at 100%, while other are content to just lay back and be complacent, I think he was talking about anderson on that point.
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Guys as explained at the top of the forum, being in the main 25 or the additional players list doesnt make a difference to a players position in the team or squad. Jonny Evans, Anderson, Welbeck etc all meet the additional criteria list which allows SAF to add other players to the main list who do not have the criteria for the additional list. For example if SAF would have put Anderson on main list there would be no room for Gibson etc. Da silva twins did not qualify for the additional criteria therefore made the main 25 as they have been registerd with Utd for 1 season previously. Tosic and De Laet both did not make the additional criteria again and if included had to be part of the main 25. This therefore means that they were simply left out as SAF felt others were more suited to play in this seasons champions league competition. We could say that Obertan who has CL experience was probably included over Tosic as he is still very petite and needs to bulk up to play at the top level which will come in the next 12 monts or so and De Laet simply wouldnt play ahead of Brown, Fabio, Rafael, O shea regard;ess of his impressive performances. Therefore those saying Ando relegated to additional squad etc due to fall out with SAF are incorrect and Evans simply in it due to meeting the criteria and allowing others who are not part eliginle such as Macheda as only been a first team player at the club for one season to be included in the main 25
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Why were we so eager to pay 8m for Tosic in January if he has not even featured in the 1st team yet? I’m really curious to know who convinced whom that he was good? IMHO, this is another example of an expensive dud buy.
I don’t buy the “to get Ljajic” theory. That’s a bad way of doing business. Besides, if Ljajic was really that good or important, I’m sure SAF would have changed the arrangements to get him here now (after Ronaldo sale), because it is obvious we lack creativity.
IMO, he will also take at least a year or two to settle in.
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@Karl: I totally agree with that seems a needless purchase for me certainly if he is capable of making the Champions league squad, if Ljajic needs a companion then we already had Vida at the club.
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@Karl: We can’t take him till January because of his age I believe.
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@spizzy: I think we all know Anderson is in the proverbial dog house, but the Champions League squad configuration has nothing to do with that mate.
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New thread up — more like a mini-thread.
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If Hargo returns to Carrington September 23rd, then he will surely need some time (~1 month) to get back into action and then some more time to be 100% game-fit(which i don’t think will be till January or later). Fergie will surely not risk him by rushing him onto the pitch. So, his inclusion in the CL squad is strange, but Fergie might know something i don’t.
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@Dan: If you dont mind me asking, who the fuck are you?
You stole my name lol!
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@Redrich: Well according to many of your previous posts – they all should be, shouldn’t they Bro?
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New Chant s for all you United Terrace chanters
To Tune – Stand up for the champions!
Mark Hughes your a fuckin Blue,
You don’t tell us what to do,
Mark Hughes your a fuckin Blue,
No RED wants to hear from you.
Go play your little poster game,
The Arabs will PAY again.
You’ve got fuck all else to do,
Manchester’s RED, it will NEVER be Blue.
Also for the numptee teatowel clad PITY fans -
Tune of Build a bonfire!
Where’s your teatowels, where’s your teatowels,
Where’s your teatowels for your heads.
Tied up with a fuckin piece of string,
City fans – pretend Arabs!
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In January do you think Diouf and/or Ljajic will make the 25 man A list and if so who will they replace as they won’t be eligible for the B list?
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Also when is Diouf due to get his work permit? Will it definately be before Jan 1 when he gets to Manchester? I wonder where Sir ALex will have him in the pecking order of his strikers, maybe 5th, with Macheda 4th and Welbeck 6th? I’m not sure, looking forward to seeing how good he is, along with Obertan and Ljajic.
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Just saw on the United site that Diouf may not necessarily come to United in Jan and that he may stay away on loan for the rest of the season, but Ljajic will be in MAnchester in Jan for sure.
So if that happens I would like to see Ljajic go into the 25 man A list in Jan to take the spot of Gibson.
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Really do hope Diouf arrives in Jan as United need more firepower off the bench especially if there are injuries and suspensions to the top 3 strikers.
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@Traverse: What about his age?
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Why has Macheda not been on the bench at all in August?
It’s a shame de Laet did not fit into the 25 man A list as his versatility at being able to play anywhere in the back 4 would have been good insurance, oh well not to worry.
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@Karl: I believe the reason we loaned him back to Partizan till January 2010 is that we can’t bring him over till he’s 18 (same happened with Da Silvas). I think it’s to do with work permit applications. His 18th birthday is the 27th of this month, meaning he can come over in the next transfer window.
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Sir Alex is considering loaning out Cathcart next week to Newcastle(despite Cathcart being given a CL squad number) but how is that possible outside the transfer window? Or can loan deals be done outside the window OK? Is the window only for permanent transfers?
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I found some info on my above question -
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/8230976.stm
It says loan deals are allowed in the Football League(Championship,League1,League2) one week after the transfer window ends, so as Cathcart would be going to a Football League side in the Championship, Newcastle, then it seems like it might be OK. If anyone has info to suggest this is wrong then let me know, but if not I’ll assume this info is correct.
This info does not go into detail about any clause in a loan deal which could allow a players loan deal to end early like in the case of Possebon but maybe every loan deal is different in that sense and it’s allowed.
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@Grognard: lads sorry to take you back to history. i’ve been away and had little access to internet. on the issue of calling SAF a racist, c’mon lads in my post i didn’t mention anywhere SAF being a racist, being a patriot isn’t anywhere close to a racist and that’s what i exactly meant.
for all those who havent been in football management at all, every manager wants to retire and boss around that he brought up so and do perhaps from his country or region. Fletcher is good now but how many players who were better him left, being a home boy SAF had to be patient with him. So that when he retires on top of doing alot to the english game, he can boss of bringing a captain fantastic for scotland.
Does anyone recall the statement Sparky made when he was signing Craig Bellamy, can anyone tell me why there was an influx of British players when Brian Kidd was SAF’s assistant and an influ of Latin players to United in Carlos Queiroz reign as SAF’s second hand man.
Let any of you go to football management and you’ll all know what i mean. it all goes back to people you’ll easily work with and to Patriotism.
Anyway, dont you guys see what’s happening at Arsenal, what happened and Chelsea during Mours time, aren’t you seeing Martinez is doing arent seiing what Zola has always tried to do though he’s failed due to problems at the club.
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The CL squad is strong enough to win the CL group and with the addition of Ljajic and Diouf in January they can win the CL.
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