Sep 02
Reds declare Champions’ League squad: Hargo in, Tosic, de Laet out
United have released a list of their Champions’ League squad members, and importantly, Owen Hargreaves is a part of it. The 25-man squad also includes Kiko Macheda, Gabriel Obertan and Darron Gibson. However, Anderson has been relegated to the secondary list of additional 10 members which includes Welbeck and Evans.
Curiously, Zoran Tosic doesn’t even feature in any of the lineups.
25-man squad: 1.Van der Sar, 2.Neville, 3.Evra, 4.Hargreaves, 5.Ferdinand, 6.Brown, 7.Owen, 9.Berbatov, 10.Rooney, 11.Giggs, 12.Foster, 13.Park, 15.Vidic, 16.Carrick, 17.Nani, 18.Scholes, 20.Fabio, 21.Rafael, 22.O’Shea, 24.Fletcher, 25.Valencia, 26.Obertan, 27.Macheda, 28.Gibson, 29.Kuszczak.
Additional players registered: 8.Anderson, 19.Welbeck, 23.J.Evans, 31.C.Evans, 33.Hewson, 36.Gray, 37.Cathcart, 38.Zieler, 39.Chester, 40.Amos.
Edit: Another strange exclusion is Richie de Laet
Edit 2: according to UEFA rules additional players could be added i.e., any player born on or after 1 January 1988 who has been eligible to play for the club for any uninterrupted period of two years since his 15th birthday.
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Maybe Tosic will go out on loan
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@Stephen: I am surprised to be honest, considering he started pre-season with us. If he was to be loaned out a decision ought to have been taken much earlier, surely? The transfer window’s shut, and we can only loan him out to the lower leagues (as I understand the rules), in which case that’s a bad idea IMO.
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i am shocked with fergies decision. no tosic in the squad it is shocking.
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@Red Ranter: Could we loan him abroad? Aslo I thought Cathcart was going on loan to Newcastle?
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@ASh: I doubt his ommision will be the make or break of our campaign.
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I was delighted with Tosic in pre-season i am confused by his omission. I wanted to see alot more of him this year and now it seems like that isn’t going to be likely.
As for Anderson this seems like a decline or slippery slope for him if he doesn’t improve his attitude on and off the field, he needs to put in a bigger effort on the pitch and run and try hard not just stroll around.
I am a big fan of Ando’s but he has to lift alot more to stay in the team.
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Additional players. Jonny Evans ???????????
Where is De Laet??
Bizarre.
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@Cyclops-Red: It is due to their date of birth, Fergie can pick 25 plus people who were born after 1st Jan 1988 as additionals, basically a fiddle of the rules.
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It’s pretty obvious why Tosic is out of the squad, simple, it’s because he rates Obertan ahead of him. I’ve watched several videos of Obertan and he does seem much better than Tosic. In my opinion, SAF did get a `Ronaldo replacement` and that’s Obertan, but he’s not putting much hype on him as of yet till he starts featuring. He’s gonna put United off theirs seats once again including myself.
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I would certainly hope he is going on loan becuase do we need five goalkeepers?
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Also I hope De Laet is going on loan also, if not him not being part of the squad will be somewhat disapointing to say the least, the lad is top draw.
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I’m absolutely shocked by Tosic omission. I realise he’s young – but he’s not that young…
My initial theory is that the United website have it wrong. Wouldn’t be the first time!
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@Cyclops-Red: I agree. Strange exclusion that. Updated post to add his name to it as well.
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@Stephen: I don’t think that’s possible. Unless the abroad team’s transfer window isn’t shut. But all of Europe’s transfer window is shut as far as I can say. (We won’t be sending him to Russia, surely)
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@Stephen: Thanks, makes a bit more sense.
I understand now why we didn’t buy Diego, Sneijder, Robben, Huntelaar etc,etc.
@Beachryan: The rumour was he was a stalking horse in order for us to secure Ljajic, though I don’t quite understand why?
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If he was a stalking horse, is he going to move on? like manucho? are we officially becoming a conveyor belt? I thought Tosic showed promise too. Obertan seems the bigger, faster winger though. But De Laet?!!!
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Mmmmmm, I am surprised! The N’castle manager seems to think they had the Cathcart year loan almost sewn up
. The DeLaet omission is a big surprise too, seeing as Wes, Red Nev, and the Da Silva twins are injury prone! I cannot see the wisdom of the Obertan inclusion in the main 25, because we have seen nothing of him yet to know what he can do in PL, let alone CL and whether he will fit into our team play and formations. SAF must know something I don’t know 
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The SAF/Anderson bust up in my opinion was a definate occurence, regardless of the denials mouthed at the press conference
. I mean the lad seems to be in the OT Leper colony, and chewing out Macheda, a SAF favourite, has cost Anderson muchly it seems. Bit like Ronnie/Ruud training ground bust up, which led to Ruud being in the big freeze area of the cold shouldered – 
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@Stephen: “It is due to their date of birth, Fergie can pick 25 plus people who were born after 1st Jan 1988 as additionals, basically a fiddle of the rules…”
Bang on target
… Don’t make much out of players being in 25 man squad or additional 8.. they are all eligible to play in the champ league.. 33 of them..
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Tosic is no surprise because from what I’ve seen, he’s not that good. I still believe he was bought in order to convince Ljajic to sign. I must say that I am very disappointed that Obertan was picked over De Laet. De Laet has shown himself to be a very strong player capable of playing anywhere on our back line and also having the skill, poise and pace to attack with conviction and a quality end play. Obertan for me is an enigma and I just don’t understand what more De Laet needed to do to get some frakken respect. In fact, I am surprised he hasn’t started every game at RB because he is faster and more dynamic than bot O’Shea and Brown and is also a strong tackler. Brown has also been poor as he is not yet in game shape. I don’t get it. Instead we are forced to endure more of the older and even more useless Gary Neville. Man I will hold a party when this old guard finally all retire. There is such a thing as overstaying your welcome. Thanks for the years of service, but it’s TIME ALREADY.
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Hargo. Finally some encourging news on that front. It almost feels as if he’s a new signing. I hope, pray as well that he is ok and fit to play come October so as to reach match fitness say December. Oh, and lets also hope he doesn’t get one of those pesky “set backs”. Shame if he should experience anything like that because it will definatley effect his moral even more so than being out of the field for so long.
His return has boosted my confidence in this team because he is without a shadow of a doubt one of our pillars in MF.
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Hasn’t Cathcart gone out on loan? does that mean he can swap De laet for him as he has now to be ommitted from the squad listing?
Richie is fooking great so wy oh why is he not there?
something is a foot here i think.
What are they not telling us?
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Apparently according to reports up here, N’Castle offered 1.75 million quid for Cathcart, which Man Utd refused. So they are still hoping to get the loan deal within the next 4 weeks. Is it likely if SAF has named him in CL squad?
I wonder why the staff at United don’t see in DeLaet what most fans, ex Man Utd pros, and the England mananger Capello, see in him. After the game he played against Valencia, Capello was saliving, collaring Bryan Robson, to find out who this right back was. Robbo said, he sadly had to disappoint Capello telling him unfortunately DeLaet is Belgian born. Also DeLaet is in wonderland at United, and said he called all his family to come over to England, and watch the Hull game, because he was included in the squad
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@Merlinus: de Laet was born after Jan 1st 1988. I rate de Laet higher than Cathcart. Which is why it’s surprising he was chosen ahead of de Laet.
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@Craig Mc: To be fair we need to give credit to the United staff for seeing what Stoke couldn’t see in him and bringing him here in the first place. He was brought in supposedly as back up, but he’s grown in influence. When I first saw him at Hull last season I was surprised he came this far (because I didn’t think much of him before then — admittedly it’s because I hadn’t seen him play before that). So whilst their handling of de Laet is puzzling right now, let’s give them sometime eh?
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@Grognard: Obertan’s selection can be justified to some extent, but I think de Laet should have been chosen ahead of Cathcart.
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Lads, in my opinion, i think SAF got it right except on two cases, without direspecting any of those lads, Neville’s place should have been taken up by Jonny Evans and Gibbos place taken up by Ando. Gibbo and Red Nev should have got to the additional registered players.
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@Jay Jay: That wasn’t posible.
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@Red Ranter: If de laet was born after then why is he not in the list? are we limited to 8 extras as part of the loop hole?
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@Red Ranter: I think they have to be born after Jan 1st 1988 AND have 2 uninterrupted years playing for the club, which Evans and Anderson has, but Gibson was on loan two years ago, so his time has been interrupted.
As for Hargo, I’ll believe it when I see it. He was in the CL squad last year only to be taken off in December for Macheda and Petrucci. Speaking of, surprised to see Petrucci has been left off and hasn’t been given any time (or is he still hurt?).
Apparently Possebon has been dropped from the team he was on loan with and is on his way back to Manchester. Not sure what that means for the lad.
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@Monkwahhdo: I dont think he’s been at the club for 2 years.
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@Monkwahhdo: As I said I don’t know. But it seems the age thing was a major factor in the selections. I am still to understand the permutations of the selections, but NickOGS who runs the Manunited Youth blog explained some things in the comments section on RoM here.
Actually scroll down the comments and look for those with the handle NickOGS, and he seems to have answered a lot of questions.
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One thing i truely believe is that with the young lads we have coming through the ranks the future is bright.
As for this season i do have reservations but hey we cant possibley win it ever year. lol
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My grammar and spelling is fooking awful of late.
sorry if the posts don’t make any sense guys, have to rush comments most of the time due to being at work.
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@Red Ranter: Cheers fella just reading them now.
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No one is mentioning the dissappearing act of Rafael, unless I’ve missed it. Fergie let slip that he and Edwin are our only long term injuries – but what the hell is wrong with him? I still don’t know if he is actually our RB problem solved, given that neither twin can seem to manage to stay fit for 90 minutes at a time.
De Laet looked good in the two matches we’ve seen him – but that’s not enough to go all crazy imo. He’ll never be a world class centre back – too tiny (and don’t give me that Cannavaro crap…) but he might well be a decent shout at right back.
I think Fergie is stuck in a catch 22 with the RB position. I would have thought his preference would go:
1. Brown
2. Rafael
3. Neville
4. De Laet/other
However, Wes isn’t fit and needs games to get there. He’s also no spring chicken. Rafael can’t string two matches together. Neville is done and Fergie’s the only one who doesn’t realise it and everyone else is unproven. So what does he do? Start with a risky unknown or a returning to fitness trusted player?
I think we’ll all stop being worried about it once hte games ramp up to 2 a week, at which point everyone will be playing.
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@Beachryan: Richie de Laet is 6ft 1″ — just an inch shorter than Vidic.
Rafael’s got a dislocated shoulder and is out for a while now.
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@Red Ranter: Simples!!
no limit just not enough young ones with squad numbers at the time of sending in the squad. We can still add more as long as we give 24 hrs notice before the game. : – )) Cheer Red
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@Red Ranter: Simples!!
no limit just not enough young ones with squad numbers at the time of sending in the squad. We can still add more as long as we give 24 hrs notice before the game. : – )) Cheers Red
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Hargo has 1 more chance, if it doesn’t work this time, tear his contract up, or at least ask him to change to a pay-as-you-play deal. He’s costing us so much in wages while never playing, not to mention medical bills, we could have bought him 3 times over at this rate.
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Tosic sucks…
Thats all Ive got to say about that!
As for Hargo, really hope he manages to recover. Would be like a new signing! And when I say recover I mean him coming back to nearly full strength. Which is very, very unlikely! But I am allowed to hope! 
De Laet is not involved because he is still young, and when coming through the ranks Fergie doesnt like to rush them. Welbeck, Gibson, Evans, even the youngers of Becks, Giggsy and Scholesy. This squad is only for the CL group stage, so if De Laet really proves his worth this could mean he will be involved in the latter stages of the competition. If not, I wont be surprised because its typical Fergie! Trust the master!
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@Monkwahhdo: As long as L’FOOL or Man PITY don’t win it, I don’t much care
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@Craig Mc: I hear ya Fella!! I say Arsenal don’t want the golden oldies of Chelsea to win again. let them retire with what they have already and no more.
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@Monkwahhdo: DeLaet is 22 years of age, and needs to get out of our reserves, sooner rather than later
. A footballers life is a short one, he cannot afford to decay in our reserves for another season. Well I wouldn’t anyway, especially IF the England manager had noticed me, and was impressed 
. Capello is no fool at spotting talent.
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@Monkwahhdo: I’d rather Chelsea or Arsenal than the two I mentioned though matey
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@Craig Mc: Matey he is 20, I know nobody likes a smart arse
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@Footy4Eddy: Errrr Eddi, Delaet as I just said is 22 years of age, so older than most of our other youth who SAF is blooding. He is stand out above the others we are blooding when they play for the reserves. He never stops giving 100% every game, running his bollocks off for the cause!
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Oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh, oh
Marihuana! Huana, Huana, Huane
La-la-la-la-la
Oooooooooooooooh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oooooooooooooh
MARIHUANA! Marihuana, Huana, Huana, Huana
Berbatov is high tonight!
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@Stephen: Are you sure Bro, because when he left Stoke it was in the press that he was 21, and he has been with us a season now hasn’t he?
. I apologise if he is still only 20 mate, I am not deliberately trying to deceive ya – and how I wish I was a SMART ARSE – that title would be an honour. Although I am an honours student – so have a bit upstairs even though it doesn’t seem like it sometimes – you cheeky bastard Stephen 
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@Craig Mc: Ctrl, Alt, Delaet.
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@Craig Mc: Stephen’s right, he’s 20. Will turn 21 this Nov.
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