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  1. RedDevilEddy
    September 21, 2011

    I was never lucky enough to witness George Best during his hey-days, but thankfully I got to watch Cristiano Ronaldo in the red shirt of Manchester United. Probably the best footballer I have ever seen, and a human machine. Strong, quick, agile, powerful shot, good vision, good in the air, skilful… Simply put: A beast of a man! I doubt we will ever see another like him, and a true testamony to what this club is about. Producing the best players, and on this occasion I really mean the BEST! Viva Ronaldo!

  2. godzilla
    September 22, 2011

    Man, if Hargreaves goes on a great run at City, it would really break my heart. Used to love the Curly haired one. I just saw the goal but not hte game. How was his movement and play in general for that 1 hour he was on??

    Its amazing how Fergie takes a punt on Owen for 2 years and after being so patient with Hargo, does not take up the offer of having him play for free or at lower wages for another year!!! Hard to understand!!!

    • Rimmerstweets
      September 22, 2011

      If, and it’s a fairly big if, Hargreaves goes on to have a successful remainder to his career (define successful – plays 25 games per season at top level I guess, maybe gets back in England team), then I’d consider it to be SAF’s biggest ever blunder.

      You mention patience and that’s what makes it so unbelievable he didn’t keep him on if he was fit. The lad played 5 times more football last night for City than he did for us in 2 years!

      To nurse a player back to fitness but actually misjudge his fitness and allow him to leave for free, might prove to be a proper rick.

      There’s a little sub plot to this though. I heard Hargreaves’ insurance actually paid more to United while he was injured than they paid to Hargreaves. Anyone know if that’s true or not? Anyone else heard that?

      If it is true, it makes even less sense.

      :?: :-?

      • godzilla
        September 22, 2011

        The insurance part would make it look even more stupid !! The insurance company woudl definitely extend it and hargreaves could be playing for free or like mickey on 20-30K for an year.

        I would say even if he plays 25 games as an impact player for 30-40 mins it would still worth it for a player of his class!

        People talk about Pogba but i saw the second half and he is still very very raw, at least 2 years away from a good product

      • Grognard
        September 22, 2011

        I love Hargo and have always been a big fan of his way back to his beginning at Bayern but as much as I hoped and wished for his recovery and return to the club, even I got frustrated and bloody well fed up because what I saw from the lad was fear of being injured, not injuries holding him back. Afte rhe recovered early last season, he was very reluctant to give it a go for fear the injuries would return to his knees. I know the feeling of this having suffered severe elbow tendinitis in my teens while I was playing quarterback in high school football. You become tentative and overly cautious and this was evident to Fergie and a real concern over whether the lad would be able to get over this mental wall he had built for himself.

        My point is simple, although I rag on Fergie a lot for what I see as mistakes or miscalculations, I am not bitter or upset over his decision to let Hargo go. After a while a team and a manager have to assess the situation and cut their losses. Yes it was a mistake, no doubt about it but hindsight is 20/20 and at the time Fergie didn’t have the facts or info on the player’s fitness that he has now. SOmetimes you win and sometimes you lose and unfortunately, Hargo will go down as one of the greatest what ifs in United history. I wish the lad well except against us and I hope he can regain his greatness and possibly even help England if Capello can open his eyes enough to see what he could offer. As for us, well boo hoo hoo, we are really suffering aren’t we. The beat goes on with United and players come and go and we just keep on winning. Thank God for that.

  3. Grognard
    September 22, 2011

    Quite often nostalgia and the stubborn belief that the past is better than the present always has us dismiss modern day footballers when compared to past greats. Ronaldo is not, I repeat is not yet appreciated by the masses but one day after he has long retired people will look back to their DVD or VCR players and conjure up memories of this truly great player and incredible athlete.

    All my life I have been accused of living in the past and always picking the older player, actor, singer etc over the new one. That does not hold with Ronaldo however. Although I stop short of calling him the best player of all time (I’m not that daft), I do believe he is the best Right midfielder or Right winger of all time. He was very even with Best and the only reason he got the nod was ability to deliver penalties and free kicks as well as his goals and assists in open play. Now if I was to add his few seasons at Real Madrid in a straight comparison over Best, I’m afraid he would win by a landslide even though he hardly resembles a right sided player with Madrid literally being all over the front line. Simply put, Ronaldo is fabulous and only getting better. By this time in his career Best was on a steady decline into booze and drugs and basically throwing his life and career away. And for me that will always be one of the great tragedies in modern sports history. There is nothing worse than wasting your immense gifts away carelessly.

    • Stephen
      September 23, 2011

      GEORGE BEST NEVER TOOK DRUGS, SAYING HE DID IS A DISGRACE. HE WAS ABSOLUTLY ANTI DRUGS! :twisted: :twisted:

  4. Rahul
    September 22, 2011

    Great selection Grog.. could not argue with any player or raking on the list personally.. would loved to have watched Steve Coppell and Duncan Edwards play.. but i guess it compensates having watched almost every game Beckham and Ronaldo played for United (albeit on the telly)!
    BTW did u forget the Ronaldo FK against Portsmouth?

    • Grognard
      September 22, 2011

      I was lucky to see a fair amount of Steve Coppell and I loved him but truthfully, we have been so incredibly blessed over the past 15 years having been witness to the greatness of Beckham, Ronaldo and now Nani and Valencia. And there is a fair amount of video out there for sale and for free that show Coppell and George Best too. What a blessed club we support eh?

  5. Stephen
    September 22, 2011

    Before we get over excited about Hargreaves aka Judas, lets jus t see if he can complete 5 games without getting injured.

    • johnsom33
      September 22, 2011

      Thank you, I cant believe(well actually yeah I can)after one carling cup game the press are talking about a england call up. I was just thinking the other day that Englands youth movement was looking pretty promising. I mean look at the youngsters coming through Hart,Jones,Smalling,Wilshire,Cleverly, A.Johnson, A.Young, welbeck, Sturridge. To me that is a very talented group of youngsters. But after the midweek casrling cup games I am hearing shouts about both Owens.Its time to let go of the so called “Golden Generation” they were rubbish when they were all in their prime, so why would they be good when they are getting older and older?

      I promise you, I was thinking about the England team last week and I was getting nervous because it looked they were finally starting to figure out the problem wasnt the coaches, it was that the press have a habit of massively overrating the stars. But this week have calmed my fears, the best players wont play just the ones that are the most hyped and play for a top 4 club. rant over

      • Stephen
        September 22, 2011

        Totally agree England need to ditch the so called “golden” generation which won nothing and move on.

        Hart
        Richards
        Smalling
        Jones
        A Cole/Gibbs

        Wilshere
        Rodwell
        Cleverley
        Johnson/Walcott
        Young

        Rooney.

        For me this should be the side we start and stick with.

  6. Irisheyes
    September 22, 2011

    Ronaldo No.1? No way…Im shocked.

  7. Moscow is my heaven
    September 22, 2011

    Actually, I refuse to have Ronaldo as one of our greatest players because he thought there was something bigger than United. So he can respectfully fuck off.

    We have Nani now, who has all the talent in the world, always did, but he has learnt the United way through the hard way. He has never had the protection from Fergie and the fans as Ronaldo certainly did (boy, even when Ronaldo left he was glorified), and from that hardship and injustice emerged a new-found humility and team spirit which fills me with pride. Let them have it Nani mi man :twisted:

    And hopefully, unlike a certain arrogant knucklehead, he can see that his best years are better spent in a true footballing institution like Old Trafford, than in a circus which will slowly betray his mind and character.

    Real Madrid is a truly colossal evil, eclipsed only by FC Barcelona :-x

    • Stephen
      September 22, 2011

      Ronaldo was and is a great player. He is not a United legend like Best, simply because he always professed his love for Real. And could not wait to leave, oh and he “referred” that he was a slave because he wasn’t allowed to leave that alone should stop him being number one.

      • Grognard
        September 22, 2011

        The difference between Best and Ronaldo unfortunately is Ronaldo chose another club over United while Best chose the bottle over United. To me it’s an equal betrayal.

      • Stephen
        September 23, 2011

        Really? At least Best never kept confessing his love for another club. He went to play for the clubs he did so they would not effect United, Ronaldo signed for his boyhood club as he kept telling us.

  8. RedDevilEddy
    September 22, 2011

    I love how every Youtube video about the worst misses ever has the top rated comment as “Torres brought me here” :lol: :lol: :lol:

  9. RedDevilEddy
    September 22, 2011

    It’s official, I love Welbeck more than Chicharito and Rooney, hope he stays at this club for a long time.

    • Stephen
      September 22, 2011

      Is he better than Sparky and Ruud? :lol: :lol:

    • johnsom33
      September 22, 2011

      I agree with a previous comment you made about Welbeck, He is the perfect partner for Rooney because of how versatile he is. This year really opened my eyes, to how limited some of our players are. Im mostly thinking about the older guys(Carrick, Fletcher, Owen, Chicha to a lesser extent, Valencia.) All these guys can only play one way and basically one position. Which in my eyes makes us too rigid and predictable. Welbeck and rooney have no problem coming back into midfield and getting involved in play. CB constantly have to worry about their position, where as Owen and Chicha are pretty much the same place everytime, the last defenders shoulder. Sure they are great poachers and finishers, but when they play the Midfield some times struggles to get them the ball.

      Then take Young and Nani, both can play anywhere in attack. Left right and center, they are a nightmare to mark because their movement is so unpredictable for the defense. Where as Valencia(Hes still my boy) is always going to be hugging the right sideline whipping in crosses. He is effective, but again its pretty predictable.

      Ando and Cleverly are both capable of dropping back and providing defensive cover for each other when they make runs into the box. There is no clearly defined defensive player or attacking player, they can do both. Compare that to carrick, who can only play a holding role and the defense isnt even worried when he touch the ball. Yeah he is good at retaining possession, but I think the bibles “parable of the talents” sums him up nicely. Carrick would be the servant who instead of investing his money like the other two servants, buried his money in the ground for fear he would lose it.

      Fletcher atleast tries hard, but in my eyes he doesnt possess the skill to play like cleverly and ando. He is simply a destroyer who does a great job of breaking up the oppositions attack, but he offers very little going forward.

      When we start Rooney, Welbeck, Young,Nani,Ando and cleverly the defense doesnt know what the hell to do. They think they have everything under control and then one of the mids arrives late at the edge of the box and now all of a sudden they have a new man to mark. Or when smalling and jones makes their runs from defence, the other teams dont know what to do. Sure we concede a lot of goals and shots on target(I heard a stat on Football weekly saying De gea has been bombarded compared to what EVDS faced.) but we also inflict a lot of goals as well.

      Im a big fan of the fluid football we are playing now and I would rather not see last years effective but boring brand of football(which we got a reminder of at Benfica.)

      • Stephen
        September 22, 2011

        I can’t for the life of me see why anyone would slect Welbeck ahead of Hernandez. Chicharito is one of the best finishers in the World and will only get better. His movement and pace work well with Rooney, who likes to drop off and slide rule passes through to him. Welbeck is at best eractic and best still learning the game. Personally it is a no brainer with the little Mexican and blood Welbeck in slowly as he clearly has a lot to learn.

      • johnsom33
        September 22, 2011

        I just told you why I would select Welbeck over chicha. You might not agree with me, but you should atleast see why I think that.

        Yeah, I still feel that Chicha should be rooneys first choice partner but only when we have a dynamic midfield. If we have fletcher and carrick in the midfield chicha might as well sit down in the center circle and pick daisy’s.

      • RedDevilEddy
        September 22, 2011

        I’ve pretty much analyzed every game United have played this season, from the Charity Shield match to the Chelsea fixture. Thanks to Piratebay I’m able to download each match, and I’ve watched each game at least twice! If any of you guys ask me, Danny and Cleverley have been the key to our succesful campaign so far. Cleverley I’ve always been a fan of, ever since I watched him score that goal against Kaizer Chiefs back in 2008 I’ve followed his every step. He is for me the perfect midfielder, at least offensivly. He reminds me a lot of Iniesta in the way he plays, but with a much more direct and ruggid style of play. His passing range is also very impressive, he’s got the Beckham-type long range pass which kinda curls downwards when it hits to down, so the ball loses it’s momentum, making him an exellent through ball passer. If you guys don’t get what kind of pass I mean, watch his ball to Young which won us our first free kick which Rooney scored from. Young would have been through on goal if not for Jenkinsons foul, which should have been a red card by the way, and had that ball been hit by any other player I can guarantee you that it would have continued straight into the hands of Schezny. But when it hits the ground the ball kinda rolls backwards, which I’ve only ever seen Becks do before!! The lad is special, and his movement all around the pitch along with him being a real engine impresses me A LOT!

        But when it comes to Danny, I gotta say watching the games we have played this season I’ll actually name him as a reason as to why our play against City, Spurs and Arsenal was so fucking dominant! I’ve analyzed his movement, and it’s fucking top notch. Against City he opened up room for Nani to score his first goal, dragging Lescott with him out to the left back position so the whole box was open for Nani to expose. Despite City leading 2-0 at half time, I still felt we were the better side. Although we only had Carrick and Ando in midfield against their Milner, Toure and De Jong(I think, could have been Barry), both Rooney and Welbeck dropped down an incredible lot almost making it 4 against 3 in our favour! Both are typical centre forwards, not strikers, and Welbeck’s flair, one-touch passing and body strength makes him a perfect partner for Rooney. His pace also impresses me, for a tall guy he really is quick and agile! He also helped out Rooney for his goal against West Brom, where he made a run forcing the left centre back wide, opening up space for Rooney to shoot. Then against Spurs, we all saw how well he did. His vision, heading ability and arrogance, if you’ll call it that, is typical for a proper Manchester United player. Then against Arsenal he forced his way through for our first goal, and could have had 4 goals during his 30 minutes on the pitch! Besides his goal, he was through on goal twice, once shooting wide under pressure and on the second chance he fooled Djourou then to square it to Young who could have had a penalty for a foul by Couqlain. His fourth chance came from a Rooney cross, where his movement has Hernandez-esque, just how he scored his first against Bolton. First pulling to the right, then the left, then back to the right, before Rooney crossed to the far post and he headed just wide. Had the cross been a little more accurate he would have scored.

        His movement is incredible for a young forward. Although Hernandez gets praise for his movement, it’s very much like Ruud and “selfish”, by means that his movement opens up space for himself, and himself only. Whereas Welbeck opens up space for everybody, just the way Rooney does, giving our midfielders and wingers more time on the ball, as well as our playing style becoming more fluid. His work rate is impressive, and very often he has those Berba-type flicks. I was a critic of him before, didn’t really like the guy, but because he was a Manc I decided to be patient as he could be the first striker this club had brought through since Hughes. Well, after his showings this season I’ve really taken a liking to him, and I think he should be a starter for us. He is the perfect partner for Rooney! I thought we were good against Bolton, and decent against Chelsea, but practically all our play those games came through the wings! With Welbeck and Clev in the team, we had such a variety and scored goals where we just passed us through teams, something we haven’t done since…. Well, it’s so long ago I can’t remember!! Nani’s goal against City, Anderson’s against Spurs, countless chances created against Arsenal came from our players opening up an immense room in the middle and exposing it. I give a lot of credit for that to Welbeck, and I want to see more of it!

  10. johnsom33
    September 22, 2011

    @Jaywire Why do you insist on being a international man of history? Ive noticed you dodged this question a few times about where your from. Why is that? even in your redrants Bio the best you would do is say your from “Africa”? Everyone else said what city they are from, and you say what continent your from.Can we atleast get a region? Its funny too because this whole time I was sure you were S. American(with Argentina being my hunch).

    Dont worry I’m not going to hunt you down and beat the carrick love out of you, Its just nice to know where everyone on here is coming from.

    • RMJ
      September 22, 2011

      We have a redrants bio?

      • RedDevilEddy
        September 22, 2011

        Says Jay Wire’s favorite player is Dimitar Berbatov, and Ian Rimmer’s is Michael Carrick…. Wow, anyone able to guess who mine is? :lol:

      • Rimmerstweets
        September 22, 2011

        That WILL change this year, I promise!

        BTW, Carrick was the most gifted forward passer in the Prem when he played for Spurs and I was chuffed he signed for us. Unfortunately I think SAF has abused him and his head went about 2-3 years ago. He doesn’t know wether he should pass it forwards, backwards, sideways, quickly, put his foot on it, close men down or setup for an interception……the lad’s the most confused player we’ve ever had at the club.

        I actually feel sorry for him because his development stagnated at United imo, and there’s not many players you can say that about.

        I also wrote it at the time when Mr Rooney was pissing up bin’s in town, shaggin money hungry little clingons and shamefully holding my beloved club to ransom….so he was out.

        Rio Ferdinand is a machine physically and defensively but boy is he a twat on Twitter, therefore I couldn’t choose him! Vidic, made to look average at best by Torres…..twice, so it couldn’t be him. Scholes not in team too much and Giggs hasn’t bothered to train that right foot in 20 years of playing for the club…..to me that’s scandalous!

        My favourite players are always CMs and we all know there’s a distinct lack of a great standout player in that dept so it was Carrick who got the nod on that particular day.

        Not that anyone wanted to know this useless piece of info but there it is anyway.

        The Scope is 10 minutes away btw……..

      • Craig Mc
        September 25, 2011

        Yes Eddi your fave player is Louis NANI – now and always! :lol:

  11. tonymontanna4united
    September 22, 2011

    Great read, as always groggy. Your right, its amazing looking at these lists and seeing just how many utterly brilliant players weve been blessed with down the years. I mean, coppell, kanchelskis, edwards, becks, nani, ronnie, bestie. Amazing players.
    Scary thing is a few of these players records could have been even better an all. Charlie mitten missing 10 years of football due to the war, coppell retiring from an injury (whilst with bloody england an all) at the age of 28 that robbed him of a good 5 years plus, bestie unfortunately like many an irishman before him, couldnt overcome the drink, yet is still one of the greatest players the world has ever seen. Big dunc losing his life in tragic circumstances, becks falling out with fergie due to his fixation in becoming a celebrity rather than a footballer.
    Still, legends the lot of them, most of whom ive seen a fair bit of footage of (becks, ronaldo and nani i was lucky enough to watch in the flesh many a time). Such a shame theres very little of duncan edwards, as i would have loved to see how good a player he is, but i know from talks with relatives, they still believe to this day, he was the greatest young player theyve ever seen. Bestie apparently coming a close 2nd.
    I suppose picking a winner between best and ronaldo is a tough one and always going to divide opinion. Both great players from different eras. I wouldnt like to call that one. Maybe had best not pissed his career away, we wouldnt even be debating it. Afterall were talking about a player here who retired at about the age ronaldo is now. Had he stayed on and enjoyed another 5/6 years with us, we might not even be having this conversation.
    But i suppose we’ll never know. Weve been blessed at the end of the day to be able to count both, as united legends who have provided us with so many wonderful memories and beautiful moments of magic. Players who dont come along very often, legends the lot of them.

    • Grognard
      September 23, 2011

      I agree with what you said as usual mate. Well said.

    • Stephen
      September 23, 2011

      Ronaldo a United legend? Never he will be a legend at Real, not with us.

  12. Eddie Griffin
    September 23, 2011

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/sep/22/owen-hargreaves-manchester-united-injury

    Considering all that United did to try to get him back to fitness, to stick with him until it was decided that the best option for both was to part ways (and it was), he could have just kept his mouth shut and continued on as he is, not try to act bitter when his brittleness of body and mind was the principal issue.

    Sure, United may not have gotten their treatments right, but considering how much didn’t work, I don’t see any issues with taking some potential risks, to a certain extent. And he can’t act like he was an innocent victim here – if he didn’t see where something was right, if he didn’t feel comfortable with something, he had every right to speak up then. They’d have found another course of action. From what it seems, they exhausted every possible route, from letting him try to work himself back to fitness, to the injections, to other treatments, to sending him to some of the best doctors in the business. What more can you do? It seemed like every time he was on the verge of a return, something else would get injured.

    And there are two sides to every story, that’s all that needs to be said about that. I doubt they misled or lied to him, or pushed him to do something he didn’t want to do or couldn’t do, or intentionally put his career at risk…what would they have to gain from doing so? In the end, it was the best decision for him to get a fresh start. Perhaps it was the boost he needed to get over that mental hump. If so, good for him.

    But I’d still be annoyed about him coming off as bitter and ungrateful no matter who he signed for, whether it was Manchester City or Mansfield. He’s doing well now, he should be happy about that. Look forward, not backward. United certainly are, and so should he.

    • Grognard
      September 23, 2011

      The fact is we really do not know what the hell went on between doctors, coaches and Hargo and who is wrong and who is right. Let him be bitter, he has earned that right. After all, he didn’t want to leave the club, instead he was shown the door. I would be pissed to if that happened to me.

      • Stephen
        September 23, 2011

        Playing 6 minuted in three years probably pissed everyone off at United, especially paying him £75k a week, he was rightly showed the door.

      • Eddie Griffin
        September 23, 2011

        Life isn’t always fair, but you can’t go around stomping your feet when something happens, even if you’re bitter about it (rightly or wrongly bitter). There’s a right way and a wrong way to handle things, and this is not it.

      • Stephen
        September 23, 2011

        Agreed….

  13. PissedOffRed
    September 23, 2011

    Fragile Mr. Hargreaves is just desperate to get back to the England squad (he said he was fit for england recall even thought he played no part in the season albeit a 4 minutes cameo – and we know how much SAF prefers his players to value club over country).

    City are using him to spin stories about our club and how we mistreat players and how they are a better club – (brand marketing) (we’ll never know if Hargreaves was pumped full of medicine to last 55 minutes – so he could feature for the bitters) and Hargreaves is simply trying to get Capello’s attention (self marketing) – remember his fitness video?

    For me, I won’t give a damn about them and the outbursts to the media. I believe karma would bite their bottoms later. Cleverley takes Hargreaves’ much craved midfield spot in England for Euro 2012 & the bitters have their just reward – Tevez is an example. He was used as a tool against us and look what happened after that.

    If only Hargreaves kept away from the media – he could’ve written a book on his struggle to get back to fitness and back into football -which could be inspirational for all. Now he’s simply – crass.

  14. Nikos
    September 23, 2011

    Best not the best?

    You are a disgrace. Sorry for this but here are the reasons why Ronaldo can’t be compared to a legend like Best.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ixxt3nVORVs

    It’s called diving.

    • Grognard
      September 24, 2011

      I’m a disgrace? Easy mate, I think you are acting a little too much like a tit and taking things a bit too seriously. I was offering my opinion so that you could agree or disagree, not insult me for something so trivial and unimportant in the bigger scheme of things. I suggest you grow up. :roll: :roll:

      • Rimmerstweets
        September 24, 2011

        @Grognard……he said it….then immediately apologised…..he obviously just feels strongly about it……I’m sure there was no malice intended.

        Does it sound familiar in reverse? lol

        Chill

        :lol: :mrgreen:

      • Grognard
        September 25, 2011

        No it doesn’t. He was out of line and sounds like an idiot because he obviously selects passages of my writing that suit his argument while conveniently flushing the other stuff that defends my position down the toilet to serve his purpose. I don’t need that kind of crap. And I read an apology way to late to keep my wrath from overflowing. I’m so sick and tired of one dimensional sycophantic idiots who have no sense of perspective or appreciation towards any player that played for us but left either by their own hand or Fergies. It’s so fucking childish mate, and I’m 52 years old, well past arguing with bloody children.

      • Grognard
        September 25, 2011

        No it doesn’t. Just because he apologized doesn’t give him license to rubbish somebody else’s thoughts and feelings like that. He was disrespectful to the piece and to my efforts simply out of his own bias. He is more than welcome to make his own damned list for all I care. He could place Ronaldo dead last and I wouldn’t attack him in that manner because I know it is his personal preference.

        He was out of line and sounds like an idiot because he obviously selects passages of my writing that suit his argument while conveniently flushing the other stuff that defends my position down the toilet to serve his purpose. I don’t need that kind of crap. And I read his apology way to late to keep my wrath from overflowing. I’m so sick and tired of one dimensional sycophantic idiots who have no sense of perspective or appreciation towards any player that played for us but left either by their own hand or Fergie’s. It’s so fucking childish mate, and I’m 52 years old, well past arguing with bloody children. Point is they all loved Ronaldo and Hargo when they played for us but now one is a diving cunt and the other is a curly haired cunt just because they went elsewhere. How bloody small minded can people get? And you wonder why ridiculous wars start over sand?

      • Nikos
        September 24, 2011

        Well, you are not a disgrace ofcourse -I’m just angry- but … hm … we call it flip-man in Greece.

        What I mean : You say “players like Messi and Busquets dive and they are greedy, so you hate them” … In the other hand you love Ronaldo and you say “Let us for a minute forget about the ego, irritating personality and DIVING DIVA ACT” .

        WHY ? WHY THE HELL WOULD YOU EVER LET IT GO? He is a diver and a greedy player wether he beats you or he is one of your guys.
        Ronaldo’s attitude is not MU quality.

        And a flip-man (a man who judges things by different criteria, a man who says something and then takes it back to favor his opinion) … is not MU quality. I’m sorry to say this, but neither your attitude nor CR’s attitude is MU quality.

      • Rimmerstweets
        September 24, 2011

        I can feel a row brewing :(

      • Nikos
        September 24, 2011

        *

        “players like Messi and Busquets dive and they are greedy, so you hate them” —–correction—–> “players like Messi and Busquets dive and they are greedy, so ? hate them”

      • Grognard
        September 25, 2011

        I’m not even going to justify this nonsense. I speak my mind and I stand by what I said. Yes Ronaldo is a diver but he also gave this club six sensational years in which none of you ever gave a fuck about his dives until he up and left you for another. And you call me a flip-man. Piss off! :-x :roll:

      • Nikos
        September 25, 2011

        Of course I did. Never cared if he was in the starting eleven or not. Really don’t care.

  15. NicoQB
    September 23, 2011

    Nice article groog.

    Wished you talked a bit about the lesser publicesed parts of Beckham’s game though:
    His incredible stamina (fittest player at the club, ahed of Keane even)
    His eye for a through ball, diverse array of passing (at his peak, he was scholes before scholes)
    His defensive rigor.

    Fact is any player who is best in the world in a single aspect of the game (for beckham it was crossing), may still not be world class.
    You have to have a good set of skills and have a solid all round game to be considered world class.
    That Beckham definitely was.

  16. Tony Park
    November 8, 2011

    A really great article…well done.

    Unfortunately both Charlie Mitten and Duncan Edwards were left sided players and never played right midfield or right wing. Duncan often played up front but most commonly left half-back. Charlie was an out and out left winger.

    Others you could have include were Jimmy Delaney, Johnny Berry or even Billy Meredith.

    • Ian
      November 8, 2011

      Haha Tony, you should’ve done them all! :lol:

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