Aug 07
Ronaldo Speaks… Finally
About time, innit? I think this was nearly a good month and a half late, but it did come. Of course, it could be said that he knew, by now, there was no way of moving to Real Madrid and he had to lay it bare some time. However, what he did say here was quite easily the most interesting interview he’s ever given.
This is what I wanted to hear in the beginning. I never demanded loyalty from Ronaldo. I always knew he wanted to move to Real Madrid, but it was the manner in which he handled the situation that I was concerned about. And let’s get this out of the way first: he didn’t handle it well (and I am making the biggest of understatements.)
But his interview surprised a lot of us with his honesty. Whilst there is a good chance that his PR might be working really hard at mending broken bridges with the fans, a lot of the stuff he said seemed rather spontaneous.
The admission of guilt would stand out among the more prominent of his quotes. But what caught my attention was this:
People have to understand one thing: at the age of 18 I arrived at a dream club like Manchester United. It was a dream come true. But, even at that moment, I was thinking about playing in England for some years and then going to play in Spain. Even at that time I was thinking that way, and I always gave 100% everything. Why lie? I’m not going to be a hypocrite and say the opposite of what I think, like some others do. I said exactly what I thought: I have a dream of playing at Real and I thought it was time to move on. People can’t be upset about me fulfilling a childhood dream.
In a world of badge kissing and players expounding their love for one club before turning their back, this came as a breath of fresh air. He admitted to using United as a sort of a stepping stone and I applaud his honesty. I never expected loyalty as I’ve mentioned countless times earlier, but at least there is some consistency. The interview is full of juicy quotes so I urge you all to read it in it’s entirety.
But is this enough to change my opinion of him?
The answer to that is no. It’s easier to say it now, but I was prepared to hear similar remarks of arse-licking once it became rather apparent that he was going to stay for another season at least. An interview like this can’t change the summer of hurt. Whilst his remarks now are welcome, they have come very late. During this period, a lot of us have been dragged through what should have been a memorable summer.
He will show his commitment on the pitch — of that I have little doubt. But he needs to show the desire to fight for the shirt — not his desire to fight for Ronaldo and Ronaldo alone. I could be asking too much here, but I am not going to let an interview change my opinion of him overnight. I won’t boo him, because I don’t think that’s right. But I won’t love him like I love some other players. I have become a complete Rio Ferdinand fan but that was from the way he has conducted himself over the past couple of seasons. And it’s a sum of tangibles and intangibles that will help him earn my respect.
It’s a pity such a phenomenal player would struggle to become a United legend. I will reserve my judgement on Ronaldo indefinitely. I’ve said this previously and I will continue to stand by it: it will still take Ronaldo a Herculean effort to win my respect — like it even matters to him. But since some people were curious to know what I thought, I decided to document my thoughts once again.
At the moment, Ronaldo’s short term future is secure before Madrid’s sharks come a-circling in 2009. Meanwhile, our side is teeming with very promising Brazilians (Anderson, Possebon, Rafael and Fabio). What are the chances that one of them begin to start throwing cursive glances at Spain in about a couple of years?
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Tags: Opinions/Columns
August 7th, 2008 at 10:30
well said RR and I agree with you. I think what gets me so worked up by the whole thing is that CR sees Real as the pinnacle of club football and not United. I’d rather players try to use Real as a stepping stone to get their dream move to United! But I guess it has to do with where you are from and what team you see as your “dream” team when you are growing up.
I’m also not sure how much of the interview I totally believe given that the PR people will be working their (evil) magic. Its just going to be hard to watch him give 100% knowing that he really doesnt mean it and hes off to Real next summer. It’s like you say, he may give his all this season, but hes giving it for himself, not for us.
August 7th, 2008 at 10:30
He just knows that United won’t sell him, so now he has to stay. He has behaved like a spoilt child all summer and Fergie has put him into line.
He wants to leave no doubt, to be honest I like others wish he had gone. He has put a dark cloud over last seasons triumphs, which is a shame, and will never be a legend @ Old Trafford in my eyes.
August 7th, 2008 at 10:35
he’s here now he is a great player and he’s gonna lead us to more glory even if he one wishes he goes to madrid and him saying he’s won everything possible is true a new challenge is something everyone would want after a few years but i think him commiting could lead to contract extenstion come the end of the season which could mean he could be here for a number of years, with the team that we have there is always gonna be speculation all we gotta do is what fergie did sit back and lets the press go crazy end of the day he’s the no1 player in the world and he’s at united… lets look forward to the new season and hopefully more trophies and hopefully equalling the scouse cunt’s record (shut em up, god that record gets old!!)
August 7th, 2008 at 10:37
Another ‘And Finally’ moment – Fergie acknowledges we’re light up top (and that Saha’s future is ‘undecided’. Interesting) Link
August 7th, 2008 at 10:42
Another good post mate. spot on. we neeeeed to be on the lookout for a replacement. the scouts are capable, they gave us Nani, anderson, and the da silva twins.
this is because CR has a lot to prove. his comments made me feel (for a half second or two)like he might honour his contract. he might, that is possible (pleeease god let it happen) but we have come close to losing him. next time we should be prepared. and, we should teach the younger ones why they should stay with us.
I strongly believe that he will fight for himself. to get the ballon d`or this winter. then leave in the summer. or even worse, january.
But on the other hand, he could rediscover his love for United. the players, the staff, the fans. thats why we have to give him as much support as we can, because he could decide old trafford is the place to be (or to simply honour his contract)
its unlikely, but we HAVE to try.
August 7th, 2008 at 10:49
The moment the United fans start singing a Ronaldo song (if ever) will be a sad one. We should never forget.
Oh, and by the way, he spoke very carefully about RM, showing that he didn’t want to upset them. Ok Cristiano, don’t worry. They’ll come back next year to get you. Be patient!
August 7th, 2008 at 10:49
He is 22, he comes from the Iberian Peninsula of course he is going to want to play forReal or Barcelona as are all people from that region. The only difference with Ronaldo is that he has been honest about it. Would you rather have a Barry, Gerard, Adebayor who say they will stay for ever and then turn round and want to go? Give him the benefit of the doubt. I can barely remember when I was 23 but I’m sure I wasn’t any more perfect than I am now. We all make mistakes, some of us are just less good at admitting them. If you need time don’t cheer him, but at least don’t boo him as the only people that helps is the opposition! if he is good enough for Fergie, he is good enough for me. just let’s hope that his ankle is ok and that he can help take us to more glory this year!
Ella
August 7th, 2008 at 10:52
But who to buy Beachryan! I have always stated my preferred three. Aguero Huntelaar Berbatov. Berbatov wants barcelona, looks like he is unaware of the plight of strikers from here going to spain. Aguero doesnt want to come, he is priced highly, but worth every penny, Huntelaar has stated his desire to play for a club like us, but his club has had no bids. in my opinion, the silence on the huntelaar front, fuelled by the ronaldo smokescreen, means that we may put in an offer, wishful thinking maybe, but SAF doesnt really have another option, and, he has admitted we are short on strikers. JUST BRINK IN A CLASS PLAYER (no reference to Huntelaar meant)
August 7th, 2008 at 11:01
Berbatov wants to sign for us, but we won’t pay what Spurs want, or in my cynical view we are not spending any money @ the moment.
August 7th, 2008 at 11:13
Sir Alex said once he had made known to Ronaldo the stand of United, the matter settled. I am just wondering whether United and Sir Alex were partly to blame for the present situation. If Sir Alex had held the talk with Ronaldo earlier, this whole saga (or circus) could have been put to bed long long time ago.The longer the delay, the more the damage is done to the relation between Ronaldo and the fans.
August 7th, 2008 at 11:18
@Stephen: On the Berba situation, i think ManUtd do not want to be held to ransom over our obviously pressing need for a striker. We’ll hold out for a while, and as Tottenham get more desperate, we’ll hopefully get him on the cheap.
Also, does anyone find it weird that no club in the world is interested in signing Huntelaar. The guy is supposed to be a goal machine, yet not one bid!!! Is there something they know that we don’t?
August 7th, 2008 at 11:22
I am not one to take things at face value. Cristiano,Mendes and co knew by now that he wasnt going anywhere. Contractual obligations,anyone. The interview is uncharacteristic. He is an egotistical self-obsessed man. Considering the lack of dramatic performances this year from Hollywood,he may have just earned himself an Oscar nomination for that scripted performance. Here is a man who believes the world revolves around his rear end. And he probably will point out evidence like fans who will in a twinkling of an eye throw themselves at his gold covered feet,to be washed with the ointment of his arrogance aka urine. Please this is the guy who claimed only a month or so ago that all will be forgiven when he scores a couple of goals. He is even confident he will get the same golden reception that we owe him when he comes. Right. Please people 4 once lets show him that we are not his ass polishers. Singing Ronaldo songs even when he aint playing eg at Stamford bridge. How about recognizing the other players. Sing about the tireless Roovez,the inconsistent but commited Giggs,the passionate Rio,the humble Wes,the industrious Evra or the emerging Anderson and his Brazilian henchmen. Maybe they will appreciate the affection. Busy booing Giggs a man who quietly declined offers from AC Milan and Juventus in his prime. Quietly. Please at least wait to get objective perspective before cowering over Cris all over again. Disoriented rant over
August 7th, 2008 at 11:25
@Gabriel: I agree on both points mate, I know or hope we are playing hard ball with Spurs but we could end up the egg on por faces if on 31st of August we end up without a striker, which we do need. I don’t subscibe to the school of thought that we did well last season, so we don’t need another forward, or Manucho and Campbell are the awnser.
We need a top draw striker, I have seen Huntelaar play live and he is excellent, great movement, real goal threat. Fergie either has put his eggs in the Berba basket, or we have no intention of buying which is worrying me! I hope I am wrong.
August 7th, 2008 at 11:33
@allmanunited: Now, people are blamin United and SAF for this saga???
Fergie and United have always maintained the stance of Ronaldo not goin; it’s just that moron Calderon and his fellow minions – schuster, marca, blatter etc – that wouldn’t shut up about it. The lad obviously did want the move, but like I said before he would come to realize that ManUtd is the best place for him, not only in his footballing career, but as an individual too.
SAF has come out defending the lad as he probably knows more than us what he must have been going through; let’s face it, it was a tough decision for him and there were some harsh words about him in the press. I personally think SAF and United acted arccodingly and waited for the right time to allow Ronnie to make his explanation/apology; as it is quite close to the start of the season and the press wouldn’t have the time to twist it as much!
August 7th, 2008 at 11:34
fucking prat, he ruined are transfer plans most likely.
August 7th, 2008 at 11:37
They mentioned on Talk Sport this morning, that Berbatov is signing for us in the next 48 to 72 hours. Somebody ringing in asked them where they got that kind of info from, and that they didn’t believe it. The sports commentator was furious that he wasn’t believed, and said his sources were reliable, and he would be proved right. So who knows eh?.
August 7th, 2008 at 11:39
@Craig Mc: Was it the ever reliable source and Stretford End (not so) favorite Alan Brazil?
August 7th, 2008 at 11:42
@Gabriel: I would not have this idea if SAF did not say that once he made known to Ronaldo of United’s stance in their recent face-to-face talk, the matter settled.
August 7th, 2008 at 11:50
The problem is if we could have cashed in on the greay one for £60/70/80m as reported, then surely that is good business sense?
He doesn’t want to play for us, he is at the height of his stock value, we could have re invested on 5/6 new players.
Now what are the odds we will have the same saga next season, or worse he winds his contract down and leaves on a free.
August 7th, 2008 at 11:52
Jay wire, I agree. Wholeheartedly.
But give him a chance. he may be odds on to move to madrid this time next year, but, he still has something to prove, and if he proves it, lets all get behind him. we all want his feet to do the talking. he may change his mind………
August 7th, 2008 at 11:56
Wow, I thought I was the biggest sceptic, but I think the Ronnie’s interview was genuine. Judging by the mood of some of you, I can see that he is not going to be given a ticket to easy street. Shame – because Fergie is demanding we fans should forgive and forget. My only concern was whether a deal had been done to get Madrid off our backs, but nowhere in Ron’s interview does he say he is only back for one season. Unless I missed it. So was the one season return another figment of twisted media imagination, you tell me lol!.
RR – I really don’t think we can dismiss the role of Ron’s agent and Fergie in what you call using United as a stepping stone. He was 18, a mere lad. Several big teams wanted him, INCLUDING Real Madrid, so he could have gone to them at the time. Fergie being Fergie, persuaded Mendes that he would guide Ron’s career development with the greatest care than anyone else. So Mendes guided him towards us. And Ronnie consider it a dream to play for us. I doubt any lad at that age, believes that he is going to be at ONE club for all his footballing career. I know you see that RR, so I am just mentioning it for those who don’t.
JStar, Ronnie doesn’t say in the inteview does he, that Madrid are bigger or better. He talks about Madrid and United being the TWO biggest clubs in the world. I believe the main thrust of his arguement is not that Madrid play the better football, but is more to do with his love and care for his families desires too. He says that culturally Spain is more akin to Portugal in language and culture than England, and Madrid is 1 hour away from home. All his family wants the Madrid move, and Ronnie feels obligated to provide for their happiness too. I think he will leave United when Fergie leaves in 2 years time. I may be wrong, but that’s my thought.
August 7th, 2008 at 11:59
I believe in giving people second chances, but this idiot has put me through hell this summer. I wonder if Ronaldo even cares to think how this kind of situation affects the fans of the club? However, he has had many chances. If anyone recalls there was speculation over his future before he signed a new contract. I waited until that day to buy a Ronaldo shirt. Now I wish I never even got the bloody thing. Now lets see how long it takes for Ronaldo to kiss his badge after scoring. I will support him while he is in a United shirt, but once he leaves he will be dead to me. Never a Legend in my eyes. Lets go and find us a true #7.
August 7th, 2008 at 12:03
Well, as I made very clear in my article on Ronaldo earlier in the summer, I have never hated him and I am pleased he’s staying. I could also understand why he wanted to go.
I was very impressed with what he had to say. It was absolutely honest, didn’t insult anyone’s intelligence and was (for me) sufficiently apologetic.
It’s also interesting the story that is emerging about the injury he was carrying and the way he played through it. Not everyone would have done that, but he did for the good of the club.
@Stephen:It wouldn’t have been good business sense this summer. What would have happened as soon as the market knew that we had £60m plus burning a hole in our back pocket? Well, for a start every club would treble the price of any player we so much as glanced at, never mind bid for. Berbatov, for instance, would be £35m rather than the 20-25m we’re likely to have to pay for him.
Whereas now, we have a year to identify replacements and quietly put deals in place behind the scenes for sensible amounts of money. We can plan for the future, rather than being forced to wing it against our will.
August 7th, 2008 at 12:06
At RR! Mate I dont think that Anderson or the twins would be doing the same! Of that I am sure! These south americans are not like the spanish or portugese! They are very loyal! Including Carlos Tevez! They always give their 110 percent on the pitch!
And I dont think that any of them will go on their own will! Even if they want to, they wont do it like Ronny! But seriously in my mind, no chance!
And to back it up, I cant think of many south americans who are hypocrites!
August 7th, 2008 at 12:06
Id love it if Benzema came too……..
August 7th, 2008 at 12:11
Stephen, no I don’t think Alan Braz was there this morning. I didn’t recognise the voice of the guy who said he had the info about Berba coming to us. Mike was there though, and he was none too pleased with the caller saying he questioned the info given. They said their informer was sound. But then there’s sound and sound isn’t there?. I hope they are right, and we will soon know won’t we.
August 7th, 2008 at 12:13
@Penguin: I understand your point, but now other clubs will believe that he will be sold next season, so the prices will go up then surely?
Plus when was the last time we paid a sensible amount fot a player!
August 7th, 2008 at 12:14
@Red Diablo: Hello! How do you know! Ronaldo has always given 110% on the pitch! Tevez has already said he can see the attraction of Real! And random generalistions about an entire continent of people don’t back any argument up! Thanks!
!
August 7th, 2008 at 12:16
@Craig Mc: I will pray to my Berba God that he his.
August 7th, 2008 at 12:17
@Stephen: Well you may be right, but it gives us a better chance to identify non-mainstream targets. Until the world knows how much we have received, it doesn’t know how much it is acceptable to screw us.
Well, I would say that Evra and Vidic represent quite good value…although I take your point regarding Carrick, Hargreaves, Anderson and Nani.
@edi: And I’d love it if Messi came too, along with youthful reincarnations of Cantona and Zidane, but there’s this irritating thing called realism…
August 7th, 2008 at 12:18
@penguin
thats a very good point. WE NEED A STRIKER!!
i am getting impatient. but i know fergie will do something…
i hope
August 7th, 2008 at 12:23
@edi: I’m quietly confident Fergie has an ace up his sleeve, but patience isn’t my strong point either.
Still, most teams have had a very quiet summer too – everyone thought Chelsea would be selling about half of their first XI and starting again, but no such thing has happened yet.
August 7th, 2008 at 12:23
@Penguin: Name me ONE south american who has been disloyal??
August 7th, 2008 at 12:26
@Red Diablo: Heinze.
(1-0, Penguin)
August 7th, 2008 at 12:28
@Penguin: I agree with Vida and Evra they were superb buys at superb money.
This situation will be intersting, not with us but with Spurs, Berbatov does in my humble view, and Martin Jol’s view want to sign for us and if it does not happen, I would not want to be Ramos on the 1st of September @ training!
this is either great negotiating or a well cock up, if we sign him for £20m great, but if we end up paying nearer £30m then why did we not pay the money?
Or do I say well have none, but just my cynical view!
August 7th, 2008 at 12:40
@Penguin
Fair point. but you gotta have hope right?
anyone know whats up with berba? (transfer wise)
August 7th, 2008 at 12:41
@Penguin: OH yeah! Let me tell you of those who have been loyal! Ronaldiniho, Ronaldo(the fat one), Rivaldo, Maradona, Roberto Carlos! They all have been sold by THEIR CLUBS!
So that would be! Umm, (4-1 to the Red Diablo)
August 7th, 2008 at 12:46
@Red Diablo: Nice comeback. I still think you’re over-generalising to say that all South Americans are loyal (in fact there’s no way you can’t be).
I’d like to think that Anderson and the boys will be United for life, but the fact is that most foreign players will move clubs more and have a desire to return to their home country. That’s one of the major reasons why you pay such a premium for English players – once they get to a big four club, it’s really rare for them to want to leave.
August 7th, 2008 at 12:48
@penguin
who says it cant happen?
August 7th, 2008 at 12:51
Fergies good at making signings out of the blue……
why not?
August 7th, 2008 at 12:51
Red Diablo, they were all sold by their clubs because they wanted to GO lol!.
August 7th, 2008 at 12:53
@Penguin: Yeah! I guess that I am over generalising! But still I seriously think that the Brazilians we have would stay unless the Club wants to be rid of them! Especially Anderson! And i think that just like G. Neville, R. Da Silva should get his chance! I’m actually hoping that Neville doesnt play that much(Please Forgive me)! So that Raphael gets atleast 10 games! (Mate no matter how well Wesley can defend, HE CANT ATTACK)
Like i said yesterday, Ronaldo and Raphael on the Right! R+R+R A winning combination!
Anyway! Nice comeback I guess!
August 7th, 2008 at 12:54
@Craig Mc: After when they were Old and probably useless!
August 7th, 2008 at 13:04
@Red Diablo: I think your exclamation mark key is about the break, but I can’t work out this time round whether you’re being ironic or not.
August 7th, 2008 at 13:07
@Penguin: No i am not being ironic!
August 7th, 2008 at 13:17
@Gabriel:
Its due to the fact he is overpriced and lacks top class experience imho. Alot of teams seem to be atm looking for a proven top class striker to be a focal point of their attack rather than a player who while looking good in his league is playing in a relatively weak league.
He is a player who I think United might go for but only after aquiring a proven top quality Premiership striker who has alot fewer potential stumbling blocks to finding his feet at the club. Times running out atm so I cant see us getting him this summer but if we get a player like Berba I could see us signing Huntelaar in Jan or next summer as our 4th striker to give us the kind of options we had in 99. In that situation he then has time to find his feet in the english league without too much pressure on him
August 7th, 2008 at 13:18
@Penguin: Oh yeah I notice now! Sorry i’ll remember to use full stops as well.
August 7th, 2008 at 13:20
let’s sign Phil Younghusband.
August 7th, 2008 at 13:24
I must say… I will applaud Ronaldo when he comes back and puts on displays for us like he has in the past… but thats as far as it goes…. as a person from how he has been portrayed and at times has portrayed himself… I dont care for him. But maybe this is where we as football fans are wrong today. I confess, Im absolutley obsessed with all the comings and goings, polotics of football in general and my beloved club…. but could you imagine just for one moment if we as football fans could just enjoy football for the art of a game during 90 minutes and not all the bs that goes inbetween? Maybe if we payed more attention to the core reason we’re so passionate and slowed down we would have enjoyed our summer?
I dont know if I totally agree with my own sentiments but maybe we need to digress and enjoy football for football… years ago footballers were applauded but not worshiped but the whole idea of worshiping everyone from celebrities to sport stars is maybe ruining society as a whole and we all know that football is a HUGE part of society today…
August 7th, 2008 at 13:27
@Stephen:
The thing is Ronnie pretty much confirmed that Real didn’t make a bid for him. He says “I knew Real Madrid were interested in signing me and that they had allegedly made a very high offer to Manchester United”. You can’t cash in on something that doesn’t exist. The talk of bids was fantasy on the part of Real Madrid and the media. TBH united are maybe a little at fault here as they could have probably expressed both to ronnie and the world that they hadn’t received any bids at the time as like the rest of us Ronnie seemed to be going on what was coming out of the media and calderons mouth rather than facts.
August 7th, 2008 at 13:36
@Jay wire:
I think you are being a little harsh on him there. Yes there’s a certain arrogance about him that 99.9% of the top players have and need but I think your selling him short. Look at interviews last season, he was not self centred in them, would talk warmly about his team mates and threw heaps of praise on them. Also so much of the interview rings true to the kind of things he has said since day 1 of joining the club. OFC there’s some polish to it but its alot more Ronaldo like than many of the supposed interviews from him over the summer so I’m sure its fairly genuine and not a pre prepared pr exercise
August 7th, 2008 at 13:56
@Red Diablo:
Oh come on South Americans are hardly any more loyal than anyone else. I mean look at Tevez ffs. Like Ronaldo he has expressed his desire to leave the club to fulfil his two dreams of 1)playing in spain and 2) Going back to Boca before he is past his best. Now if Ronaldo is disloyal in your eyes surely that makes tevez just as disloyal.
The only time you really get what you would seem to class as loyalty is
a) The player is at their dream club – see Giggs, Neville and Brown as a perfect example here
b) Their Dream club isnt a valid option, either as they dont want them or they don’t offer the level of football they desire – See people like Ole and Scholes as perfect examples of this and we will probally in future be able to add the likes of Rooney and Rio
August 7th, 2008 at 13:59
yea its a breath of fresh air when you have loyal foreigners at your club like VDS silly evra.
August 7th, 2008 at 14:12
@Stephen: What would make good business sense is agreeing on a transfer that would be contingent on Madrid keeping their mouths shut for some pre-determined period of time. If word of any agreement were to be leaked it would dissolve the deal. This would then provide us with enough time to quietly purchase replacement targets in the transfer window (next summer) without having to pay inflated prices. Once we purchased our replacement targets word of the transfer could then be released.
If I was working at the club and we were willing to sell Ron – I’d encourage us to take this approach. However, I’m happy he’s staying as I’m really curious to see how the club defends the double!
August 7th, 2008 at 14:17
penguin,
i have to disagree with you mate on the point that ronaldo played through his injured ankle for the team. it can be argued that he played through the injured ankle for himself because if he sat out, his ego would have taken a major hit.
August 7th, 2008 at 14:17
@dan(u-ol): Werent there so many rumors of Evra not being satisfied and demanding as high as “120k per week contract or else I leave” in the highly honest English press all of last 6 months at least? Of course they were only rumors but why are people so much easily believing one set of rumors (those related to CR7) but conviniently ignoring those related to Evra?
August 7th, 2008 at 14:27
because the cr7 rumors were started by ronaldo himself, packed with quotes from him, where as with evra, it was pure rumours.
August 7th, 2008 at 14:30
Let’s be real with ourselves…Latin players in general would prefer the lifestyle, language and climate of Spain (maybe italy) to that of England…there are some basic cultural differences that would make this make so much sense…in a way I don’t blame them but it guts me because I KNOW we probably won’t enjoy the services of many of our favorite players for the whole of their careers at United…like Fergie says football has moved on from the one-club player….at this point I think for foreign players we should just hope to get their best years out of them before they move on…sometimes I do fear seeing all these Brazilians in our squad as much as how brilliant they may be…I guess everybody’s different and until you really know the player and their motivations you can never be sure…I’m sure a standard question these days before they sign a player must be…err “what are your long term football playing aspirations”…lol…of course they probably BS but it si obvious the only SPanish/Protugues speaking players that seem to finish their careers here a lot of times are financially motivated…my hope is that we can keep our Brazilians into their late 20s before we move them on…I’m sure people like Davide Petrucci dream one day of returning to their home clubs like Roma…that is the risk you take of signing such players…
August 7th, 2008 at 14:34
@dan(u-ol): whats the difference? a rumor is a rumor! People here were just fighting over rumors! And they still are…
August 7th, 2008 at 14:38
@wakey: I don’t believe a word he sayes mate. That probably did not make a bid for him because they were tring to get hte price down, but I bet personel terms were agreed.
August 7th, 2008 at 14:50
As I said yesterday, well done for saying this Ronaldo, although it’s a bit late. But again I think we don’t understand the allure of Real to European players. 9 european cups, I guess…
I’m hoping that we do well in the Champs League (defending the title is so unlikely) and Real flop it, so he’ll perhaps rethink his “dream”.
And about the love from fans, he’ll have that back in no time. We scream when he scores goals, and it creates a state of adulation and almost love. It’s mental conditioning and as long as he scores regularly he’ll get us all back eventually. But that’s what makes him great: his constant goals.
August 7th, 2008 at 15:00
@dan(u-ol):
Most of the rumours weren’t started by Ronnie though. As he says he seeded it from day 1 by stating it was his dream but Real and their media mouthpeices took that and ran with it creating more and more elaborate rumours.
On another topic. I see Dong came on in the Olympics with 12 mins left and China 1-0 down and went on and grabbed them a point at the death
August 7th, 2008 at 15:16
yes but you’ve proven my point that he started all the rumours, the evra rumours where brought up by nothing, big difference.
August 7th, 2008 at 15:18
Excellent post RR. I’m hoping everyone can get their views out in the comments section of this column and finally let this beast die. I’m beyond tired of talking about Ronny at this point.
For anyone that read the whole interview, if Ronny knows what intransigent is, even the translated equivalent in Portuguese, I’ll eat my shorts. I’m not implying that most of what was said wasn’t genuine, but it was certainly polished by his PR reps.
Does anyone know the seriousness Manucho’s metatarsal injury? I’ve been itching to see him in action for some time now. Although I guess it doesn’t really matter if he is denied a work permit. To go along with that, what are his chances of being approved?
If we get anywhere near the 8.5 million that Keane is allegedly willing to pony up for Saha we are making out like bandits. A fine striker who has been unfortunate with injuries, but his sell-by-date has long since passed. I think 3-4 million from any of the handful of French clubs that have been linked is much more realistic.
I’m hoping TalkSport isn’t blowing smoke. If we can get Berbatov on the heels of ending the Ronaldo debacle it will be a good week for the club.
Squad for Sunday:
VDS
Brown Rio Vids Evra
Nani Scholes Carrick Giggs
Tevez Rooney (I’m hoping his return to training is a sign that he’ll be well enough to play)
August 7th, 2008 at 15:20
@IBleedRed: There is no point in selling Saha if we don’t get Berbatov, we will really be short up front.
August 7th, 2008 at 15:27
@Stephen
What’s the difference if we keep him? He is wholly unreliable and rapidly losing any possible transfer value. Does making five appearances really justify his 80,000 a week salary? Again, I don’t hate guy, I’m just tired of dealing with his situation.
August 7th, 2008 at 15:33
@IBleedRed: I agree mate but we are short up front, and something is better than nothing. He does not deserve his salary one bit, although I like the guy but he lacks heart. He seems to be looking for injuries rather than th eRoy Keane of ignoring them for the team.
If Rooney or Tevez or even worse both get injured we are in big trouble and need bodies. We are desperate for a number 9 type, and if we don’t get anyone then must be worth keeping him until at least Jan. We don’t want to do and Arsenal for example when they sold Diara and were short of cover.
August 7th, 2008 at 15:47
@Stephen: I suppose you are right, but I think it says a lot about our strike force that we “have” to keep Saha in case of injuries. I’m hoping this will be a moot point in the next couple of weeks. The bottom line is we really need a striker.
August 7th, 2008 at 16:04
@IBleedRed: I could not agree with you more mate!
August 7th, 2008 at 16:18
@Craig Mc: I know I am clutching at straws, but was the source re Berbatov a journalist of a random caller?
August 7th, 2008 at 16:28
I Bleed Red, we need TWO really good strikers, one to replace Saha if he goes, and one that we already needed. Fergie seems to think though that Campbell and Manucho will do?. Campbell is not IMO going to make it at all for us. Manucho is good player, but still has no work permit. So when will he get one, surely this should have been applied for several months ago?. United are frustratingly slow. I hope the Talk Sport Berba rumour is true.
August 7th, 2008 at 16:36
Stephen, I only caught the end of the conversation, but it was whoever was standing in for Alan Brazil this morning. He was asked by someone they were interviewing, how he could be sure that Berbatov was signing for us in 48-72 hours. All he would say, was that a good journo never reveals his sources, but he was sure of the Berba signing, because his source was reliable. The guy they were interviewing, was mocking and saying it wouldn’t happen, but Mike and his sidekick were furious, because the source who tipped them about Berba was solid!.
August 7th, 2008 at 16:38
Stephen, with Fergie saying what he did though about not using his cheque book, the mind boggles. I
August 7th, 2008 at 16:44
Never mind transfers, we are busy netting new radio partners. Whooppiee! link
August 7th, 2008 at 16:51
I think in the end everything has worked out pretty well albeit that Ronaldo like RR says was a month and half late coming out with this statement.
I think alot of it is all PR sound bytes but its what we want to hear to keep the peace just too bad he didnt come out with this after the euros.
However he has come clean and said he does want to go to Real Madrid, fair enough we all knew that.
He has paid a big compliment to Utd after all that Fergie, the fans ie the whole club has done for him. Too fecking right!
He is going to stay another season and play his heart out, good. Whether he plays for Ronaldo or for the Shirt at this point I don’t care as long as he puts the performance in and hopefully contributes significantly to anothe fine season of silverware at OT.
At the end of the day he is only staying because he has to and after this season when RM come sniffing again then he will go.
By that stage Fergie and crew will have had enough time to source out a replacement or at least sort out a plan for Utd without Ronaldo. I said when all this started we should sell him but Im glad we are holding onto him for at least one more season so at least we have a bit to work with.
I hate the way he has gone about it and at the end of the day Ronaldo is bit of a knob but fair play to him he has always had his dream of playing for RM so good luck.
Its too bad because despite all that I loved the fella. Probably the best player in the world pulling on our jersey was very exciting and he had the chance to become immortal at OT we’re talking Best, law, charlton, cantona, keane kinda status but because his heart is elsewhere that will never happen now. So next year Ill cheer him out of respect but ill not be singing his songs and my cheers wont have anywhere near the same enthusiasm as past season.
At least now we all know where we stand now!
@Craig Mc: @Penguin:
Lads your right about there being honest in his interview but I do think we need to take it with a pinch of salt as well. This hasn’t turned out quite the way he intended so he’s doing a bit of damage repair with the fans although I dont think its completely contrived.
@Penguin:
I agree I think Fergie has got an ace up his sleeve. He has things well in hand. His interview the other day looked so relaxed as if saying no bother everything is under control
@edi:
With you 100% there mate about Benzema. Top of my list of strikers to bring in but that aint gonna happen. Berbs a decent 2nd and Huntelaar doesnt interest me at all.
If anyone replys to this and I dont get back apologies as this is done in work and I don’t have t’internet at home.
I will reply tomorrow.
August 7th, 2008 at 17:02
@Craig Mc: Good enough for me, I am off now to get my shirt printed!
August 7th, 2008 at 17:52
I am still not convinced about Ronaldo and i will continue to be harsh towards him. He didnt think twice about doing the same 2 me and close 2 half a billion fans so why should I. If u think he is honestly repentant then u must believe anything he throws at u. The guy is only saying this 2 appease the fans. Where do u think he would be without the ultra longsuffering legion of his faithful fans. Who would buy his shirt,would Diesel think their jeans will be still bought in Manchester? Im not rallying any boo boys. I dont condone that behaviour. All im asking is 4 people 2 stop treating him like his an immortal gift for which we are eternally grateful and blessed to have at least show up at OT. Forgive him all u want but i would feel disgraced if he were to turn out an OT legend without repaying the enormous debt he owes us
August 7th, 2008 at 18:02
And to think Rio got a torrid time when he never said anything to contradict his intention 2 play 4 us. In fact he said nothing and now u want to let the blabbermouth off with your apologetic attitudes. Sorry but i dont understand the hypocrisy
August 7th, 2008 at 18:04
Scoop, I genuinely think the interview is Ronnie’s own thoughts, coming out of Ronnie’s own heart feelings. Maybe somebody helped him to put his heartfelt thoughts and concerns into a more polished way, but I believe he is being absolutely honest in the interview. However, if his PR people did help him, then they must have known the questions that were going to be asked beforehand, to have time to prepare. I can’t really see this. As the interview was in Portuguese, Ronnie may have been able to express himself properly, and without misunderstanding. It is hard to do that, when giving interviews in English where English isn’t your national language. Good post though Scoop.
August 7th, 2008 at 18:08
now that ronaldo has come out and given his side of the justification, i think at least the “booing” wont be present at any matches..there might not be any songs sung and applauds given for his goals though…
also, i feel now we will see a difference in the way ronnie celebrates his goals..there will be more of a “team-celebration” than his usual “i am the best” sort of celebration…. i just hope this whole incident opens his eyes and he sees the good in staying at OT for a longer time…
and i just feel berba will come definitely..even if he has to arrive rooney-style, on the last day of the window…
August 7th, 2008 at 18:10
Well written RR. I couldn’t agree more. I will actually give my feelings on what the future holds for Ronny at United. Many think and rightly so that he will be around for just this season and that Madrid have already got a deal in place with United for a sale next year. I don’t buy it. I think in his heart to heart with Ronaldo I think Fergie basically read him the riot act and told him that he would compromise with him. I honestly believe that the compromise is that Ronaldo will be allowed to go at the end of two more seasons and at the same time Fergie retires. It would be fair and kind of a romantic send off for both of them. I think this is a fair compromise and lets not forget that in two years Ronaldo will still only be 25 years old. This gives him many years at the top of his game to play for Madrid. It also gives Fergie two years to plan United’s immediate future without him and Ronaldo. Sounds pretty reasonable to me. What do many of you think of my theory? Be nice!
August 7th, 2008 at 18:49
I am happy by the way he has come out and expressed himself….end of story.
Wanted to ask you folks about one thing:
Rafael Silva has obtained all the plaudits for his performances at the moment. I read somewhere online that Fabio is the one to watch out for out of the two. He was the Brazil U-17 captain(i think) and was one of the highest scorers in the u-17 world championship. I didn’t see his performance in the peterborough game…how was he?
August 7th, 2008 at 18:51
Grognard I agree with you. While Ferguson is still in charge Ronaldo is going nowhere. Ferguson does not compromise and only sells players when he no longer wants them at his club. Once Ferguson goes though Ronaldo will be first out of the door and others could follow. All the more reason to make sure we line up Ferguson’s successor as soon as possible so that there is as smooth a transition as possible and players don’t start planning to time their exit with Ferguson’s departure.
August 7th, 2008 at 18:52
Jay Wire, what do you mean by honestly repentant mate?. Reading thru the interview carefully, he is admitting that he isn’t repentent about what he wanted eventually in his life, a move to Spain. He is not apologising at all for his childhood dream to play in Spain and for seeking to follow that dream. He says plainly, that he doesn’t think we should judge him for that dream. What he is apologising and repenting of, is the way he went about following after his dream, and the damage his actions have brought to the frosty, broken relationships of the two clubs. He takes full responsibility for these things. What I don’t understand, is we all have been demanding for weeks that Ronaldo come out and explain himself, and admit and apologise for actions that have got United fans up in arms against him. Now he has done that, we still want to take issue with him, and continue to criticise. I admit that Ronaldo should have made that interview at the very beginning of all this, and not at the end, and I am still pissed at him for that. However, I find I understand a little more where he is coming from now, since reading the full interview. I am not advocating that everyone suddenly fall all over him again, because I do not think that will happen. However, it will only further effect badly the rest of the players, and our team prospects, if we fans continue to elongate the Ronaldo saga from the terraces. Let sleeping dogs lie now I say.
August 7th, 2008 at 19:03
Grog, I already said what you are saying further up the page, so yes I agree with you. I worked that out when I read the FULL interview that you put up online last night. In that interview Ronnie didn’t say that he was only coming back for one season. This answered the question I was asking in the other thread last night, about pre planned get out arrangements. I felt from the full interview content that Ronnie would stay until Fergie goes.
August 7th, 2008 at 19:15
@Grognard:
Really surprised at you taking such a peaceful stance!
And good to see the
I think your theory is very reasonable indeed and yeah it would be highly appropriate in a romantic sorta way.
All that I hope is that when Ronaldo does eventually leave, it’s not for a knock down price.
Gonna be really interesting when he is fit again and playing.
August 7th, 2008 at 19:24
@Hasan:
I also seen came across reports that Fabio is the one to watch bteween the twins… And that is pretty exciting from what we’ve seen of Rafael!
Fabio was Brazil’s joint top scorer at those U-17 championships.
If I am not mistaken he is right footed.
He was also pretty impressive in the 45min he played. Full of pace and running.
It’s pretty amazing that these guys haven’t played in a year yet managed to perform like that.
August 7th, 2008 at 19:26
@Grognard: Yeah! I totally agree!!
August 7th, 2008 at 19:27
And our President, Musharraf is going to be impeacheD! YES YES YES! NO MORE DICTATORSHIP! WELCOME DEMOCRACY!
August 7th, 2008 at 19:29
@MoYa: Yeah thats what I am trying to say! They sould be given a chance, IN THE FIRST TEAM! Just like Neville!
Brown can defend very well! But he cant attack!
ALSO I dont think that Berba is coming! That’s only a part of me saying this into my brain! I dont know what to believe! HELP ME!!
August 7th, 2008 at 21:11
I will eat my hat if ronaldo is a united come september 2009. and if I was you people don’t get to excited I expect more speculation after january 2009, Grognard I think you are like many fans fickle you completely bashed ronaldo saying this and that now you are saying he could stay longer. I am cheesed off still not only does it take him this long but he completely took away all the shine off our great success.
August 7th, 2008 at 21:22
@Grognard: i dont agree with you on the 2 year thing. I can see your point and indeed it would be kinda nice if he did stay and leave when SAF does but it just dont see it. I think he will def leave next summer no matter what happens this season. And yes he did not say anything about only staying for one season but that means nothing.
Have we learnt nothing in the past few weeks about CR and the things he says and the things he means? Are we going to forgive everything with a couple of goals? I sure as hell wont. And what happens if he kisses the badge? does he suddenly love united again? its all a mess and the sooner we get rid the better…hell if not next summer then XMAS! one year is enough time to find a replacement…we dont neccessarily need two.
August 7th, 2008 at 21:51
Just seen the highlights on BBCi of the China vs New Zealand match at the Olympics. Obviously New Zealand arent great and were down to 10 men but Dong took his goal well. A good cross from the right and Dong looped a good header into the net from around 12 yeards out. Cant find a link to it on youtube sadly but anyone in the UK press your red button as the highlights of all the games are on loop
Anderson didnt show up much on the highlights of the Brazil game, apart from getting booked early on
Joe Red also scored from the penalty spot for Italy. While he is no longer a united player its nice to see him doing well
August 7th, 2008 at 22:12
@Red Diablo: Good luck imposing true democracy in a Muslim nation.
Not impossible I suppose but highly unlikely with all the Mullahs trying to have a say in the power struggle. Like I said, good luck to you and that great country.
August 7th, 2008 at 22:15
@micheal: Obviously you have a problem reading. If you read my numerous posts both yesterday and today the last thing you would call me is fickle. But if it gets your rocks off doing so, who am I to argue? I’ve been called far worse, believe me.
August 7th, 2008 at 22:21
@MoYa
thats great to hear! I hope there is a great future for both of them along with possebon. I think he has a great future at United hope he learns a lot from scholes and carrick too. Things are looking good for the future! Now if either one of campbell, wellbeck or manucho comes good we can say good bye to the expensive transfer fees for a little bit until Ronaldo leaves and we buy Messi!
August 7th, 2008 at 22:25
@jstar7: Hey I have no problem with your way of thinking. You could be right, he could end up leaving next summer, but I’m just offering my personal gut feeling on what I read and what I feel I know of Fergie. I have no proof other than what I can read between the lines in both of their comments. If this was a compromise with him playing out the year I’m sure they would have said so. I think that Ronaldo has been read the riot act and because he is close to the Boss I think he realizes that the boy is only 23 years old and so even if he stays until he is 25, he still has many great years ahead of him. And also, 7 years would be a good ending for a guy wearing #7, don’t you think? Fergie is not one to settle for a one year commitment when there are 4 years left in his contract. It’s not about what Ronaldo wants. It’s about what Fergie will allow. He holds all the cards in this. Letting him go when he goes seems to be the fairest and easiest solution.
August 7th, 2008 at 22:38
@Grognard: HEHE! You know! Not all Mullahs are bad! Only some of them are just a little umm Vulgar!
HEHE! And was that great country thing ironic?
It’d better not be!
Oh and no news on Berba!
YET!
August 7th, 2008 at 22:40
@Grognard: i dunno man…you think that if they had settled on one year they would have come out and said so?? im not so sure. its hardly gonna help negotiations with real if they know that we are happy for him to go next year no mattter what. we want them to think they are at least prising CR from united and so have to pay 65 plus…as opposed to sitting on their asses all year and then trying to buy him for 40.
August 7th, 2008 at 23:18
jstar7 – thinking about it, after the way Fergie has laid into Real M about how immoral they are, and what bully’s, I think Grog might be right with what he is saying. Even if Ronnie wanted to leave next summer, it will still be United’s choice whether he is allowed to break his contract, and not Ronnie’s decision. I do not think Fergie will say yes to Ronnie leaving while Fergie is still at the club. It would be a miracle for Fergie to back down once he has his heckles up. I was believing a deal had been done, until I read the whole Ronaldo interview. Now I am back to thinking that Fergie told Ronnie that United would not sell under any circumstances and no matter what POUTING went on. Guess we will all see though. Thing is, United will not let him go, Ronnie has promised to give it his all as he has no choice but to stay. So we have to live with it, that’s the bottom line. Fergie does, what Fergie pleases lol, and we all have to put up with it.
August 7th, 2008 at 23:22
Just another quick thought, we are feeling that Ronnie had no choice but to concede to Fergie’s decision not to sell. Anybody like to hazard a guess then, as to why Ronnie would emphatically say, He is not staying against his will, and if anybody says he is, they are LYING?. I am confused lol!.
August 7th, 2008 at 23:44
@Craig Mc: I think Fergie sat the boy down and explained to him why moving to Real madrid right now was bad for him. There are so many negative factors; him leaving ManUtd in a cloud of animosity, his age, his chance of becoming a better player at United, the opportunity to win more titles, his personal growth in character he will acheive staying here, his CR7 deal etc There were so many negatives involved if Ronnie was to make his move this window.
At least, now we know he wants to leave, if he puts in his best effort while he’s here, we can give him a hero’s send-off. He would also be a better person for this experience and the mentorship Fergie provides; it’s not any coincidence that many of Fergie’s former players are so successful in whatever they do, that’s something Ronnie will benefit from and from his interview, I think he knows it. There are so many more and Fergie i’m sure was honest with the lad, and he has come to realise that Real madrid don’t have the best intentions for him currently. Let’s face it, they only wanted him because he was the best player in the world last year!!
I always used to say Ronaldo would realise that Manchester United was the best place for him, both in his career and as an individual, and I think with the frank conversation he had with Fergie (and possibly Carlos Q) he has seen this. He probably said that so people, especially the media, would not come out saying he was forced to stay by Fergie and in the process giving United a bad name!!
August 8th, 2008 at 0:03
hi, its my first time writing on RR,love the blog.keep up the good work. fabio d siva scored a craker for the reserve team
August 8th, 2008 at 0:23
@Craig Mc:
Because AS and Marca were reporting at the start of the week and some of the uk papers had picked up on it, that Ronnie was being forced to stay completely against his will by United and that had absolutely no desire to play for us and was completely pissed off at having to stay. I think his comment is simply stating that he isnt being made to stay completely against his will, he is disappointed at not getting to fulfil his dream but he is perfectly happy staying
@Grognard:
The sudden change does come across a little fickle. Its good you are willing to rethink your stance but the swing in your view is pretty massive and very quick even though it wasn’t full forgiveness on your part.
August 8th, 2008 at 0:26
Thank heavens he didn’t say that rubbish about “i’ll score goals and everyone will be happy again” Like others, i don’t believe he’ll be here for more than one year, in my opinion, the compromise was probably that he’d stay for a year, giving Fergie time to access his options and work on a replacement, its also kinda nice(as well as cringe worthy) that Fergie has come out defending him saying he was probably confused and under pressure because his father died and he had to take up family responsibilities, so that might have clouded his decision making.
@Craig Mc: On Berba, as much as i’d like this to happen, 48-72 hours from when the statement was made would be Saturday or Sunday…are transfers usually completed on weekends? Daily mail reports Rooney is training with the squad, so maybe he’ll be fit for the CS match.
August 8th, 2008 at 0:29
@Red Diablo: Not at all. Egypt is a great country with incredible history. I visited it 20 years ago and it was one of my greatest memories. I loved the place but they can keep the heat. WOW! I almost died from the heat. The food wasn’t great either but I certainly loved the tours and locations.
August 8th, 2008 at 0:35
@Craig Mc: I think he simply said that to get the boo birds off his back. He is coming back and like any player he wants to be welcomed and accepted by the fans. If he had said I’m coming back but against my will, how would we all react towards him. He had to say that whether he means it or not. The bottom line is we know his heart is in Madrid but through his words and actions he is at least showing me that he is professional and that he does love and honour the team he is clearly playing for so he will give his best effort every game. Now lets wait for him to suit up and lets see if we can notice a difference in his game and attitude on the pitch. I also am quite interested to see how Rooney reacts to his first selfish act on the pitch that doesn’t work out well. We’ll have to wait and see.
August 8th, 2008 at 0:40
@wakey: The fact that it was not full forgiveness and the fact that I placed him on Double Secret Probation should tell all that I am far from fickle but what I am is logical and above all fair. He was dead to me but I have put him on life support. Should he disappoint, I will be very quick to pull the plug on him. So consider me offering him an olive branch. Now it’s his turn to prove to me that I was wrong about him. And I am willing to let him do so because his interview touched me and impressed well beyond my greatest expectations.
August 8th, 2008 at 0:42
@Rd: So now we are challenging Fergie’s word and honour as well as Ronaldo’s? Even I don’t go that far mate.
August 8th, 2008 at 0:45
Erm, side issue, concerning the Silva twins…
Anybody here feeling sorry for Simmo? I am.
The lad quietly went to Blackburn trying to get some grounding and experience and hoping to come back more equipped to challenge for RB when suddenly a young brazilian is the new talk of the town everybody picturing him as the long term replacement for Gaz. I have nothing against Rafael but the few times I saw Simmo play he was competent. So why not consider Rafael as a potential RM, while Simmo would be the potetial RB, hmm?
Also I already mentioned it in the previous post but I’d also like Fabio to feature more in games. When the Neville were young it was normal for Gary to feature more since he was older by a couple of years, innit? But since Fabio and Rafael are identical, I think both should be given the occasional opportunity to play. Fabio was captain of Brazil U-17 and scored 7 goals in a tournament (for a defender!)
But my pick of the lot has got to be Possebon. Composure and natural passing skills are one of the most underated attributes needed for a CM. Keane and Scholes had it, and we know how good they they were; Butt and P.Neville didn’t and nowadays it seems to e that it was the fact that they played alongside such greats that made them look better than they actually were. Anyhow, I disgress. Possebon has got all the natural instincts that a CM should have, probably even more than Anderson, who let’s recall was trained as an AM / L-AM and still has some of the inherent selfishness left. Rodrigo just looks like a Carrick with superior ball control technique. Not sure if he’s able to distill those killer through balls Carrick specialises in, but he also has a great shot from distance!
August 8th, 2008 at 1:00
@Grognard: I totally agree with you. It is the most fair and reasonable solution. As for Ronaldo’s comments, they seemed genuine to me, regardless of whether his PR people made him do the interview. I’m a rather cynical person and I don’t often listen to what footballers have to say (like the rest of his comments all summer) but I appreciate what he had to say.
August 8th, 2008 at 1:07
Anyone here ever entertain the possibility United have agreed a deal for a young winger/striker who is currently playing in the olympics but have delayed the announcement so as not to attract too much attention to him and destabilise the lads’ performance?
it’s a long stretch, but it is possible; the likelihood of that promising young, but ready to play winger we might need being at the olympics right now is high. I’m sure it’s just wishful thinkin on my part, but what do y’all reckon?
August 8th, 2008 at 1:50
@Nico QB: I heard Fabio scored a cracker for the reserves vs. Northiwich, the guys at redcafe are going ape over it…I’d feel sorry for Neville cus his future as the first team RB is looking bleaker with injuries and more competition.
@Grognard: I’m a little confused Grog, which part did i challenge Fergie? If you mean the part about him defending Ronaldo, i just find it weird that after all this he still has Ronaldo’s back and no theres no love lost between them.
August 8th, 2008 at 1:57
@Gabriel: I know Fergie is good at secret signings, but not THAT good, as much as this would be a pleasant surprise, i doubt he could have gotten away with keeping it secret amidst the media transfer madness which was waaay worse than last year.
August 8th, 2008 at 2:02
@Rd: know where we can watch highlights of the reserve game?
August 8th, 2008 at 2:14
Thanks everybody for your thoughts in answer to my question – I appreciate it.
RD, I am not entirely sure whether transfers happen over weekends or not. I suspect they can be anytime that clubs agree to meet. Now the FA registration though, thats a different thing altogether lol. The sports commentator on Talk Sport though seemed to be certain his info was correct. He was miffed to be honest, that he was questioned as to its reliability. I think if it was made up, it would not go down well with his bosses, because he affirmed ON AIR to all the listeners that he was sure the Berba transfer to United would take place in 42/72 hours. I am not saying his source is absolutely certain, but he was saying that. We shall see. As has been proved lately, anything can happen to prevent transfers taking place, even up to the eleventh hour. We can only know for sure when /if it happens.
August 8th, 2008 at 2:25
@Rd: What I meant by that is that questioning the whole decision for him to return and Fergie’s reasons for why Ronaldo acted the way he did is a bit of a slap in Fergie’s face. Ronaldo can cry for Real all he wants but he has no control over this as well, any future plans to come are in Fergie’s control, not Ronaldo’s. If we question Ronaldo’s willingness to stay beyond this year, we then question the ethics and the word of Fergie who has guaranteed us the lad is staying. Fergie may not always give out all that’s on his mind but he sure isn’t a liar and when he makes a comment, he stands by it and it does come true. Therefore, I expect Ronaldo to be here a while. Why? Fergie said so. I made the mistake of questioning whether Fergie was sleep walking last month and it seemed to me that he was going to lose the fight. I should have known better. He’s not the Boss for nothing and I don’t even think he needed to kick a shoe at Ronaldo or get out the hair dryer. He relied on his salesmanship and fatherly relationship with Ronaldo and that took care of the problem.
But I think he is fair and I think he did come up with a compromise which I have described earlier. Ronaldo will leave when Fergie leaves.
August 8th, 2008 at 2:37
I’m not a fan of Sportingo as I think like a lot of other blogs, they are full of shite but they did have a nice article on what they feel was said between Fergie and Ronaldo that made the ad say he’s staying. And wouldn’t you believe it, the guy thinks exactly like the Grognard. I guess that means I must be full of shite
“‘Listen son, I’m leaving the club in a couple of years. But while I’m still here, you’re not going anywhere. So here’s what we’ll do: You stay for two years and help us both to win a couple more Champions League trophies. Let’s face it, you’ve got a better chance of doing that with me than you have at Madrid – they didn’t even make the quarter-finals last year. They got beat by Roma – and we put seven past that shower of sh*te! After two more years, we’ll both be legends and then, when I call it a day, I’ll guarantee you your move to Madrid. You’re still a young lad so you won’t be hitting your peak for a couple of years anyway. Sound fair?’”
I’d like to say that great minds think alike but now I’m just embarrassed.
August 8th, 2008 at 2:46
Even though I am a huge Bayern Munich supporter I have to say I have never been a fan of Uli Hoeness as an executive for the team. He’s rather pig headed, stubborn and arrogant but I have to laugh and totally agree with him on this statement involving Chelsea and especially Roman Abramovich.
“Bayern Munich general manager Uli Hoeness has attacked Chelsea owner Roman Abramovich, and even called the Russian a “mafia member”. Hoeness claims Abramovich manages to sign players thanks to the money he ‘steals’ from people when he ‘fixes’ the price of petrol. The German has pointed out manners he considers scandalous and declared “beating The Blues on the pitch would be his best response against ways he dislikes”. Those highly controversial quotes will add fuel to fire if Bayern and Chelsea face each other in the next Champions League. “I’m irritated when I have to tank up every week,” he told Spox. “Those petroleum mafias steal our money and use it to sign footballers”. “This stinks and Abramovich is part of this. “No, he’s not my friend. Those mafias rule the entire world and manipulate petrol’s price. “Our best revenge would be to beat teams such as Chelsea. It would be a huge satisfaction.”
And I thought I was the only one who linked Roman to the Russian Mafia. SWEEEET!
August 8th, 2008 at 3:41
groganrd what I mean fickle you said he will stay longer I dont think so. got great news people that will realy make you happy man utd haters the guardian have tipped chelsea yet again for the title. but the law of averages say they have got to get it right sooner or later.
August 8th, 2008 at 4:36
@micheal: If I lived in England the Guardian would line my cat’s litter box. You know what good news I want? I want to read the day Berbatov is officially sold to United. Add to that the fact that United and Ronaldo are one again and Mr Doom and Gloom can revert to his very rare super hero persona as Captain Delightful. Now sign Berby Fergie so I can shock the world.
August 8th, 2008 at 4:42
“Former Tottenham winger Chris Waddle is not happy at striker Dimitar Berbatov apparently wanting to leave the club and fears Spurs could become a feeder club.”
Question. Don’t penguins WADDLE?
Wake up Chrissy, Spurs are a feeder club and one Man Utd’s favorite bitches. Get over it, shut you mouth, bend over and know your damned roll.
August 8th, 2008 at 4:45
Can anyone post the link for the highlights of that reserve game?
August 8th, 2008 at 7:00
@Grognard: A bit hypocritical, unless this was meant in jest.
August 8th, 2008 at 7:46
@Red Ranter: Jeez, I must be losing my touch. Yes it was meant in jest. Although Waddle and Spurs are walking around with delusions of grandeur I think.
August 8th, 2008 at 7:56
@Grognard: Well fair enough then. However, if there was one team with a good chance of making it to the big four it’s Spurs (although I won’t count City out). They are better than a feeder club.
August 8th, 2008 at 8:17
RR, surely you don’t mean Man Shitty – ooops City?. Well you traitor lol!. You know those hooded and masked raiders that visited Rio and told him to sign or else, when he was in contract dispute?. Well they know where you live – naah just joking boss.
August 8th, 2008 at 8:29
@Grognard: HEHE! You should come to Pakistan! They I’ll make you eat Sindhi Biryani and Lahori Tikka Kabab! YUM YUM!
Anyway Ramos has said that Barca have not come in for Berba, yet!
Is he trying to invite a bidding war?
Now if Berba goes to Barca I seriously think that Fergie has come off the pace a little biT!
August 8th, 2008 at 9:41
@Red Diablo: red
if berba goes to barca then surely eto’o will be sold! Utd would be just perfect for him! and he is a genuine striker with great strike rate (unlike berba)!
At least it would mean we will get a striker! Right now if Eto’o stays and if spurs dont sell berba then we will get nothing!!!
August 8th, 2008 at 9:57
@Craig Mc:
Read the whole interview last night and alot does seem to come from the heart. His actions over the summer have just left me very very sceptical maybe unfairly so but there you go!
@Grognard:
I think Im going to have to agree with you on your theory to a point mate.
Firstly I’d be very surprised if Ronaldo is with us after the forthcoming season. However I can’t help but think that maybe in Fergies heart to heart with Ronaldo and by Ronaldo’s interview it did sound pretty intense from two people who have immense respect for each other. Fergie outlined his plans for retirement either for the end of this season or more than likely the end of the following and perhaps just perhaps he said to ronnie Im leaving after the next 2 seasons stick around with me set the place on fire and then you can go to Madrid and Ill call it a day.
What a swan song!
Even just mentioning Fergie leaving scares the hell out of me but thats for another time and another post!
August 8th, 2008 at 10:42
This may have fitted in better in the previous post, but it’s probably more likely to be read here:
Wayne Rooney has started training and might be fit for the first match. SAF has said, he faces a battle to get him ready in 7-8 days, but that it might be possible. We all know that when managers say these things, the player is almost certain to be involved… whether be it from the bench or from start. It’s terrific news, since Rooney has looked good in pre-season. We need him very much to get through these initial matches, when so much else of our firepower is out.
August 8th, 2008 at 10:45
@Scoop – I understand your scepticism mate. It has been a real downer of a summer for United fans when it should have been partying all the way. Ronnie is acknowledging his part in that, and so he should. But we have all season to celebrate on the terraces, and remind everyone we are the double trophy champions. So lets chant winners songs, and not boos or anger songs towards Ronnie. Life’s too short for all that shit. Besides United fans will have more class than Chelsea and Arsenal fans, who boo-ed Lampard and Adebayor.
August 8th, 2008 at 10:55
@Craig Mc: I am Ronaldo’s biggest critic as Tomas knows!! but lets not boo him, while he wears a United shirt he is a United player, and I will never boo anyone who wears red. (execpt if playing for Liverpool)
August 8th, 2008 at 11:34
@Thomas
Nah! Fergies just trying to throw off newcastle! Have u seen the pictures of him in a FIFA 09 ad? He looks fine! i am in no doubt he will score more than Ronaldo this season.
(i prefer PES just thought id get that point across)
August 8th, 2008 at 11:35
@Craig Mc:
Yeah thats the crazy thing about all this we are the double winners and the whole summer has been about Ronaldo and now about lack of transfers and the squad we have and I fecking hate that.
Mind you when Im with my scouse supporting mates its all about being double winners
This season Im with you 100% celebrating from the terraces and cheering the lads all the way to Glory.
There will definately be no Ronaldo boos or anger songs coming from me and hopefully from anybody else and for the record people can do what they want and Im not telling people not to boo him I just hope they don’t.
C’MON UTD
August 8th, 2008 at 11:38
@craig mc
Isnt it f*****g annoying having scouser mates? I LIVE in liverpool!
August 8th, 2008 at 13:26
@Grognard:
Its just your sudden change of heart. A while back you were attacking Ronnie for disrespecting Fergie for ‘banning’ him from the Portugal training camp despite all the articles mentioning that Fergie actually hadn’t asked or intended to go see him and you kept bringing it up as fact no matter how many times you were told that fact. And earlier this week you were claiming he was once again disrespecting Fergie by not turning up to training despite United stating he wasn’t due back till after he had seen his Doctor at the end of the week. If you take a step back you will see how you could be perceived as being a little fickle.
@Grognard:
While Abramavich is a thief and theres alot of evidence that ties him to the Russian Mafia in some way or other that’s pretty deluded from Uli Hoeness. In fact it made me laugh at how foolish it made him look. Petrol prices are high but the profit margin for Petrol is almost none existent so he isn’t stealing from Uli Hoeness and everyone else who buys Petrol. The profits for those in the oil business come in the other areas of Business not the Petrol business. He just comes across as bitter
August 8th, 2008 at 13:42
@Scoop, I’m with your terrace attitude mate, let the chants and banter begin lol.
@Edi, it’s scoop that has Scouser mates, and for both scoop and you (living in L’pool) it must be hell sometimes. Most of my mates are Salford reds, and salt of the earth. We don’t BOO our own, no matter how irritated we are with their behaviour. Anybody know if Fergie said when Ronnie would be back playing?.
August 8th, 2008 at 13:49
By the way, suddenly this morning Fergie is talking about getting Ronnie to sign a new and extended contract. Does anybody think that settling Tevez by given him a permanent contract, and also extending Ronnies, might be where our alloted transfer funds are going this year, and that is why we are told Fergie is seemingly not wanting to buy????. Just a thought!. What do you all think?.
August 8th, 2008 at 14:03
@Craig Mc: I think signing Tevez in Jan will go towards next seasons kitty, I not 100% sure but think I heard that somewhere.
Any news anyone on Berbatov, PLEASE! Even lie, it will just make me feel better!
August 8th, 2008 at 14:22
Yeah can anyone stick up a link to that goal by Fabio, it sounds like it’s worth seeing. And on the RB topic, I don’t really feel sorry for Danny Simpson. HE’s alright but he had chances last season and he hardly took them brilliantly. I think for him it’s better to be on loan and get some weekly football under his belt.
And how could anyone complain about there being two people in their position? If Simpson’s a bit annoyed that Rafael is the talk of the town then all Simpson needs to do is impress us on loan.
August 8th, 2008 at 14:26
@jos: Dont you think that it would be a swap? Berba for Eto? I mean spurs do want a STRIKER!
August 8th, 2008 at 14:28
@Stephen, Hahaha mate, you are desperate for the Berba aren’t you. Thing is United are in London this weekend, so they have chance to talk with Spurs. So guess we will see whether Talk Sport commentator was right about Berba signing for us. Ramos came out the morning, and said he thinks Berbatov may well still be moving on, so who knows. Don’t build your hopes up too much Stephen, because it is still only somebody’s word, albeit it was said ON AIR. You know what transfer deals are like, they can be called off in a nano second lol.
August 8th, 2008 at 14:31
Anybody think Rafeal Da Silva or his brother should be given a chance on the wings for us?. They have pace and seem to be able to hog that sideline?. I don’t think they are going to get opportunity at fullback in the Wembley CS game.
August 8th, 2008 at 14:33
@Craig Mc: Thanks but that doesn’t make me feel any better, but thanks anywat for the honesty!
August 8th, 2008 at 14:38
@Craig Mc:I think that they should get their chance!
SOONER RATHER THAN LATER!
August 8th, 2008 at 14:46
Rooney will be fit for Newcastle. Carrick and G.Nev for Charity Shield. Hargreaves back for Portsmouth. What crisis?!
August 8th, 2008 at 14:49
@Traverse: Yeah? What if we keep on putting crosses in the box and there is know one to head it? Face it! We need a no.9 striker!
On a lighter note! The olympic opening ceremony is mesmerizing!
The chinese have left no doubts that they truly are one of the greatest hosts!
Go Pak-China friendship!
August 8th, 2008 at 14:57
@Red Diablo: Also great human rights policies to, er not.
August 8th, 2008 at 14:59
Did you guys see this?
http://studs-up.com/2008/08/08/the-end/
August 8th, 2008 at 15:01
The twins will get their chances in the Carling cup. There is no need to rush them. But I agree they have more use as cover on the wings this season than as full backs where we have Neville, Brown, Silvestre, Evra, O’Shea? ahead of them.
Simpson will get a lot of playing time at Blackburn. If he takes advantage of it he’ll be ahead of Rafael in the queue to replace Neville. if he can’t cut it at blackburn then he won’t cut it here.
August 8th, 2008 at 15:25
@Colver, I agree about Simmo. Yet Fergie has taken a shine to Rafael, and sees a lot in the boy. You know what that means don’t you?. Fergie persevered with Ronaldo when he wasn’t all but fluff when he 1st came to us, and look at him now. If Fergie likes somebody, he will do everything to bring out the extraordinary talent in them. Problem is, like Rossi before him, he was very talented, but his height and slight frame kept him out of the side. Hope that doesn’t happen with Rafael. Rafael though doesn’t let his height impede him , he gets stuck in where it hurts.
August 8th, 2008 at 15:30
@Traverse, I like your enthusiasm mate, good for you. I think we do have a temporary crisis in striker department though, if we don’t bring someone in to help get the goals while Ronnie is out.
August 8th, 2008 at 15:32
@Craig Mc: He does look very good I must say and wouldn’t be surprised if Fergie throws him in early, which could make him. Rossi unfortunatly was a Micheal Owen type and to be honest a bit of a relic in the modern game. Most teams play a principal strike, Drogba or dare I say Berbatov the best example in a 4-5-1/4-3-3 formation.
Rossi could not play that role but a good impact sub maybe.
August 8th, 2008 at 16:22
@Craig Mc: I wasn’t really talking about the lack of a striker, which i have been shouting about for ages, but the general doom and gloom there is abotu our squad depth…. People hve been making it sound liek we need to buy fifty players because fo a few preseason injuries! Obviously we should just go and get Berbatov now please! But other than that we are very well placed to fight on all fronts again this year.
I’d rather we get all our injury problems out of the way while nothing of importance is happening!! This is a good thing in my eyes!
August 8th, 2008 at 16:32
I for one is very worried about next season. We have no Ronaldo our top goal scorer by some way, until October then maybe a month b4 he is up and running properly.
We only won the league on the last game of the season and ECL on pens. Chelsea, Liverpool have bought in areas they needed to, and both will stengthen more, Liverpool pos Barry and Chelsea pos Robinho.
We have a relatively tricky start to the season, with players out Olympics ect, and teams will have done a lot of research on us from last season. I am probably being over nervous, but surely every season every team does have to freshen up their team?
Fergie stated a year ago that we needed another striker, so why has this not been addressed money? or Fergie blikered view that only Berbatov and Berbatov alone is the answer? we need a striker it is blind obvious we do, so why have we not signed one, especially if Saha is sold. Nobody knows except Fergie and the big wigs @ OT, could be a tough season ahead or am I being paranoid?
Ps sorry poor spelling/grammer busy @ work!!
August 8th, 2008 at 16:33
@Craig Mc: @Stephen: Rossi’s height and slight frame did not keep him out of the side, the timing was just unlucky for him. At the time there was no space for him in the team. It’s ashame he wanted to leave when he did because smith left us and there would have been a place in the team for him. Regarding his build, yes he is not that tall but he is very good at holding the ball up. He was a natural goalscorer too. He would not have had a problem playing in the premiership with his back to goal, as he was strong and had a good touch. He is similar to michael owen in the sense that he is a goalscorer, but it is also his game to get involved in build-up play, unlike owen or van nistelrooy. As a lone striker he is better than either of them, as they need a support striker who will get involved in the game. He is also more of a proper centre-forward than berbatov is, as berbatov is another forward who likes to drop off into space, like rooney and tevez.
August 8th, 2008 at 16:35
Then on the stroke of half time, Fábio Da Silva scored a great solo goal. First lobbing the ball over the Vics’ defence, he burst through a number of players, showing exceptional strength, and then volleyed past the keeper. This kid is class!
Please can someone post a link. This does look like some goal to be watched.
August 8th, 2008 at 16:46
I wonder if this Silva rumor has legs. It sounds like his main hold-up has been his salary, which certainly wouldn’t be an issue here. I know Barca are in the mix, but I would think Valencia would prefer to send him to an outside competitor. I’m guessing this would mean that Villa would stay and might seriously hinder our chances of landing Berbatov, but…If the club manages to pull Silva and Berbatov this summer a lot of fans will be eating past words and walking hunched over for a few days due to, well, I supposes that’s a bit too explicit…
August 8th, 2008 at 17:10
@IBleedRed: yeah, I heard about the david silva rumour as well… honestly, if getting him would mean we won’t get a striker this window, then I don’t want him. Unless Fergie is planning to switch our style to a permanent 4-3-3!! On the other hand, if we get him and a striker, i’ll be ecstatic!! Although I think getting a younger winger who wouldn’t mind being on the bench and playing some reserve/carling cup games dis season would be a better option…
August 8th, 2008 at 17:15
@wakey: I don’t know what else to say to you mate. I’m not fickle and I have said go back and read all my comments since he had his interview and you will see that I gave very valid and very reasonable reasons for my 90 degree turn. NOTE: It’s not a 180- degree turn. I still reserve the chance to revert to my old position if he disappoints again. To have an understanding heart and the capacity to forgive is not being fickle. He explained himself well enough and with enough heartfelt honest I believe, to be granted one more chance from myself. So lets put the fickle charges against me to bed mate. If I say I’m not fickle I’m not. Being fickle is not in my nature and if I was fickle I wouldn’t exactly lose sleep over it as there are far worse things to be. I’d say I’m more of a liberal bleeding heart than fickle.
Regarding Uli Hoeness, he has always been a windbag but he is partly correct in his assumption. Russia right now controls a large portion of the sale of oil worldwide. Their oil capacity is greater than many Arab nation and they are milking it as far as they can. As for Abramovich, he has done more harm to his own people with his business dealings than he is doing to you, me or Uli Hoeness. Hoeness is just reacting to what he reads in the news about Russian oil czars who are monitoring and playing with the world price of oil per barrell because they control such a vital amount of it.
Are you aware of the real reason why Osama Bin Laden has not been captured yet? America does not want him captured because it would force them to leave Afghanistan which they don’t want to do. Why? Because from a business perspective it is vital for them to protect their main source of oil that comes from their pipeline that travels from Russia’s oil fields down through Afghanistan and into American tankers. This pipeline needs to be protected at all cost and there have been many attempted terrorist attacks on that pipeline in the last 8 years. a lot of the oil coming down that pipeline from Russia is owned by one Roman Abramovich. And that is documented proof that one can dig up through the Department of Energie’s, yearly statements and annual reports. So Hoeness does have a point but he still is a windbag and for him to tie this mess up to football is just stupid beyond words.
August 8th, 2008 at 17:23
@Stephen: Calm down mate. I feel your pain but I have faith in Fergie. This is being drawn out because frankly Spurs have to ensure they have bought a replacement before they let hi go. The good news is they have been talking about buying even possibly two of either Villa, Arshavin and Pavlyuchenko. If that’s the case and I believe it is, as soon as one of those players is a confirmed sale to Spurs, they will need that infusion of cash and Berbatov will be ours. Unfortunately for Spurs, their relationship with Berbatov has really soured and keeping him is not a realistic option. If they do keep him they will rue the day they never made a deal. The deal will happen and we have possibly three more weeks of Hell to look forward to before it does, but it will happen. Have the faith. In Fergie we trust.
August 8th, 2008 at 17:25
@Traverse: We are thin up front and the man who scored 40% of our goals last year is still recuperating from surgery. I think that’s reason enough to feel their is a crisis.
August 8th, 2008 at 17:30
@Stephen: China do allow for human rights. Rights to suffer, rights to be oppressed and rights to die penniless and in prison for demanding human rights. They are a model nation aren’t they? NOT! That country’s government and communist regime is a total disgrace and allowing them to hold the Olympic games which is a symbol for world peace and community is incredibly discouraging and I for one refuse to watch the spectacle as this is my own rebellion against them. It’s small but it’s the best I can do.
August 8th, 2008 at 17:35
@Gabriel:
I agree with the “younger winger” sentiment, as I can’t imagine Silva on a team where he isn’t one of the first names on the sheet. I thinks it also obvious that striker is a more pressing need.
Are we really saying…
Dear Barca,
We want Berbatov. We have been after him for awhile now. Please piss off. If you are twats and decide to make a bid that is accepted, we will be upset. We will begin inquiring about players from your backyard and at the very least begin bidding wars. Thank you.
The Brass
I’m definitely interested to see how this plays out.
August 8th, 2008 at 17:38
@colver: They have more use going back down to the reserves where they will get much more valuable playing time so that they can progress and develop and then come to OT and take a starting spot rather than sit on the bench. That’s not how you deal with very young and super talented players. I could see Raphael stay only until Ronaldo and some of our injured players return as he can fill in for a while and get a fair amount of time but Fabio has nowhere to play. The left side is manned by Evra, Silvestre, O’Shea and even Giggs or Nani on the wings. The best thing to do with these youngsters right now is to treat them like youngsters for a little bit longer until they are truly ready to emerge. But what a great dilemma to have. Great talents. I would keep Possebon though as I think he is actually ready to play a part in the middle especially with Anderson away at the games and Hargo still hurting. He is a logical sub for Scholes as he so reminds me of him in his intelligent and tidy approach to the game.
August 8th, 2008 at 17:47
@Gabriel: I believe Silva is one for the future, he is left footed and is only 22. Giggs would leave us next season and Park is 28. We would only be having 2 wingers, Nani and Ronaldo and we do not know for sure if Ronaldo is going to be here after a season or two. And I believe the fees also won’t be high as they are not selling to a team within their league. I understand that we need a striker but we also need to get a winger either this season or the next.
Probably we are going to spend 50 million after all. We also got some money for Pique and some of the loan deals. Hope we land both Silva and Berbatov. That’d really be a great boost for us.
August 8th, 2008 at 17:48
@Stephen: My God there are times you do sound an awful lot like me. I totally agree mate and it really frustrates me that we are not seriously looking at a Plan B like Huntelaar or why we aren’t even looking at David Villa if he indeed is for sale? Yes he may not be tall but he is world class quality and right now, that’s good enough for me. Berbatov is great but is he worth taking such a risk as to wait out this game with Spurs only to have them not sell to us at the deasdline and then we are stuck with nothing
for 4 months. I still have faith that Fergie will get the deal done but I for the life of me cannot understand why Huntelaar is not being considered? I just don’t get it. Everybody in the know sees this guy for what a great goal scorer he is yet nobody wants to buy him. It’s truly an enigma. If he was overrated or shite and the consensus on him by all the experts was exactly that, I’d understand. But all the experts think he is the cat’s meow and yet, nobody wants to buy him. What exactly are Ajax demanding for a transfer fee? It must be astronomical or weighed down with unrealistic demands. That’s the only possible answer for this. Huntelaar is a stud. Trust me people on this, he is a pure stud and playing outside of Holland would not weaken his game one bit.
August 8th, 2008 at 17:54
@tevez: Simply put, Rossi was one of those rare mistakes in judgment by Fergie. Simple, he just blew it. He never realized how good the player truly was. Also, it could be said that the lad never really got a fair enough or large enough opportunity to impress and he was nervous initially playing in front of the intimidating atmosphere of OT. Going to Italy and playing for a far less glamorous team helped him greatly and Villarreal is just small enough to keep him in a comfort zone while good enough to allow him to showcase his skills. It’s hard to say had we kept him if he would have developed as well. But sometimes it happens where United is not the best fir for a specific player and I think Fergie may have seen this with the boy. But my money is still on the fact that the Boss made a rare error in letting him go and keeping the Balsa Boy instead. When I think of Rossi leaving and Saha staying I just get angry and frustrated.
August 8th, 2008 at 17:55
@IBleedRed: lol, true true… that might be what it is, cuz I really don’t see silva at United (not for long anyway); he’s very creative though, and would be a very useful playmaker, but this season, with giggsy, park, ronaldo, nani still in the squad, he won’t get as many chances as he would like over the course of the season and for a superstar like him (really, he is in Spain
), neither him or the spanish press would appreciate that. Hence, we go for a young, but ready to play winger who won’t mind playing those less-significant/carling cup/reserve games and can bond with our nxt generation of superstars(siva twins, possebon etc).
As per the Berba situation, the more time passes by, the more reservations I have about him coming to United. No doubt he is the perfect player to compliment our attack – a mixture of Cantona and Sheringham – but his age and mood swings are becoming a bother to me. I’d like a younger striker – in the same mould – who can stay here for some time (but the only one that fits the bill doesn’t want to come, Benzema
). Also, I’m just picturing Benzema to be one of those type of players who would be arrogant or disobedient to the new manager that comes in after Fergie (like he did with Ramos), but I might be wrong.
anyways, we got about two-three weeks left in the window, and nothing seems to be happening this week, so we’ll have to wait till next week and suffer the anxiety and torture of waiting for the time-being
August 8th, 2008 at 17:59
@Gabriel: Have we all not had enough of the hundreds of rumours this off season linking a player coming to us? I seriously doubt Silva is on his way to OT. This is just more Balogna that’s littering the Internet. I’ll believe it when I see it. And yes, I am all for it but not if it means we don’t get a striker. Both would suit me fine but I don’t see that happening. I am so sick of the crappy journalism out there that follows this sport. I sometimes think the actual season and games are second nature to the garbage that is fed to us during the off season. It just infuriates me.
August 8th, 2008 at 18:00
*sorry* I meant berba when i was talking about dissent not Benzema (he’s good
)
Why does it just give you 1min 30secs to edit ur post? besides, before u read it and the edit page comes up, the time is gone!!!
August 8th, 2008 at 18:06
@Grognard: Mate, I know what u mean!! the journalism is just horrible, but deep down we all love to read the bull they write
It gives us something to talk/argue about… Anyways, i can’t wait till sunday; a trophy winning start to the season would be the best morale-boosting act for the players and the fans (god knows we need one after the summer we’ve had)
August 8th, 2008 at 18:13
@Grognard: Oh come on! That opening ceremony was one in a MILLION! Lets see if London can LET ALON EVEN MATCH IT!
August 8th, 2008 at 18:23
@grognard 164
their recent treatment of the Buddhist monks is disgusting and their air quality alone should have ruled them out. But money talks. I am torn btw my love of the games and a want to ignore them. f the chinese govt
August 8th, 2008 at 18:28
@Grognard: Fergie wanted to keep rossi. He understood how good the lad was, but rossi wanted to leave. So i guess you could say fergie made a mistake not being more forceful with him, but it depends on how you look at things. Ofcourse, he did not get a fair chance to impress while he was here, but was there an opportunity to give him this chance? I simply feel the timing was not right. We had a settled strikeforce at the time when rossi was looking to break through. When a young talent is looking for his chance, there needs to be that gap in the squad for him to come into. The disappointing thing for me is that the chance would have been there for him last season. I don’t think tevez would have came in if rossi hadn’t left. I believe it is the player who jumped the gun. If he had more patience he would have been given his opportunity last season, and i think he would have impressed.
August 8th, 2008 at 18:32
@Grognard: What experts talk up huntelaar mate?
August 8th, 2008 at 18:51
@Grognard: The season before that we scored loads of goals, and the season before that and the season before that. we survived without rudd. we will survive without ronaldo. fergie knows what he’s doing
either way. ronaldo will miss 3 league matches. three! you get that for red card!
August 8th, 2008 at 19:52
@Red Diablo: I wouldn’t know since I never bothered to watch it. I’m pretty rigid and stubborn when it comes to my political beliefs and China is not one of my favorite countries due to their terrible regime. I refuse to give them the time of day on principle. If more people thought that way they would lose bif time on their investment and thus, would be taught a lesson. But some of us are too weak and addicted to sports and hype to not take in on the festivities and the amateur hour sports events. I can’t be bothered. Talk about boring and over hype.
August 8th, 2008 at 19:57
@gator: The air quality is disgusting and criminal. And they have done nothing decades to improve it. They don’t care. They spend all their money on weapons and protective measure to keep their own people in line. The are the terrible when it comes to environmental waste and ecological contamination. America is bad too but half the population and government officials there at least give a damn and are trying to promote change and reform. As for what they have done to Buddhist monks and people even in Tibet is terrible. What bothers me even more is the billions of Chinese that don’t have it in themselves to revolt and put an end to this political madness and genocide. The fact that organizations like the IOC give them an arena to boast and brag is even more disgraceful. I’m sickand saddened by the whole thing.
August 8th, 2008 at 20:00
@tevez: You can’t say you want to keep a super talent and then have him rot in the reserves. He obviously never rated the lad high enough to really give him a fair chance. Therefore, the mistake is his, not Rossi’s. I think he would even admit to that now in hindsight.
August 8th, 2008 at 20:03
@tevez: Plenty of them. Many of the big football pundits in all the major papers and many on the tv channels like GOLTV and Setanta are always raving about him in games and in highlights. Don’t ask me for names because I can’t honestly remember them and many times when I read articles, I never really bother to catch the authors name. You’ll just have to trust me on that.
August 8th, 2008 at 20:08
@Traverse: I think it will be more than three. More like six or seven and then he will have to take several weeks to get match fit on top of that and how many games until he reaches his peak performance level? I totally disagree although I hope you are right. Three games would be great but I think that is highly unrealistic. He is the straw that stirs the drink and this team has shown in the past that they don’t play particularly well when either Rooney or Ronaldo or both are not in the lineup. I’ll believe your optimistic outlook when I actually see proof of it. Until, then consider me pessimistic. Getting Berbatov may eliminate some of that pessimism though.
August 8th, 2008 at 20:13
I regards to the rossi situation, I say every disappointment is a blessing… If rossi had stayed, we might not have got Tevez; and it’s safe to say that Tevez is and will always be better than Rossi in every aspect – tenacity, dribbling, speed, playmaking, heading etc – apart from maybe shooting, cuz Tevez is a bit irrational with his shots
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I think Fergie knew deep down that rossi was not the finished product that was required for consistent and impactful 1st team-performances, so when the lad decided to call it a day, Fergie allowed him to leave. It’s a shame that the standards are so high at United, as we’ve had a lot of promising youngsters depart due to lack of opportunities, but if that’s the price to be paid for winning trophies, then so be it.
August 8th, 2008 at 20:29
@Traverse, what makes you think that Ronnie will only be out for 3 weeks max mate?. I heard that it would be well into October before he started training. Did you read something different Traverse, because it would be great if indeed it is only 3 matches out. I fear Grog is right though with his assessment timetable for Ron’s return. Tell us though if you know for sure, cos I would love that!.
August 8th, 2008 at 20:59
@ Craig Mc
Just to say welcome back mate. Too bad I can’t make a comment right now which would have been very lengthy.
Bottom line is I am just excited; SAF has killed two birds with one stone, the stone here being his obstinacy. Madrid can go to hell, and the world’s best footballer can have his dreams snoring in his bed in Manchester. Thank you Alex for preserving our superiority, you stubborn son of a gun.
@ Grognard
No doubt you are my favorite ranter on this blog and that’s no disrespect to the other folks here. I haven’t even read your posts today, but just in case, I hope deep down in our hearts, we can revise the notion that CR7 is dead to us. Why? I know you loved him to bits and even now that has to count immensely for something. SAF just complete this dream by bringing Berbatov, and let’s rape football all over again.
Grog your opinions sure matter to me for one, lets welcome the poor kid back shall we.
Hopefully I will find more time to completely air my views but one thing is certain, I am so fucking ecstatic.
August 8th, 2008 at 21:02
@Traverse: I read somewhere that he would miss 5 league games not 3. So as Grognard says that may well be 7 or 8 games as he has get his match fitness back.
August 8th, 2008 at 21:15
I would have to disagree with a lot of folks about their views in their rants about Ronaldo. In the last few years we havn’t had that sort of badge kissing enthusiasm from any players foreign or local and I would generlize this is for every club out there. In the reverse look at what happened with Roy Keane….he loved the club but over night he had to leave(that too for speaking out for the betterment of the club nothing else). If one day the club does not need ronaldo we will throw him out too. So why should’nt the player look after himself, why should’nt the player move elsewhere, where the weather is slightly better and he is closer to his family. Do not get me wrong, I love United to the core but this is a dog eat dog world out there…..even though I have faced a bit of anxiety with regards to the whole Ronaldo situation I am really happy that he is staying here…..in the end HE was the one who scored 42 goals last season and was an integral part of the double. So all of you out there who want loyalty…please go back to the 90’s generation of footballers….we wont get anything from this decade onwards.
August 8th, 2008 at 21:49
@WhiteY. thankyou mate for the welcome. Fergie I agree is a stubborn ole goat, especially when someone like Madrid goes about their business to run roughshod over us, as they have done with all other clubs in the past. Hell they even had Blatter, Platini, and FIFA on their side. But Fergie will always be a fortress against the whole world if he has to be for Manchester United. I do have to agree with Hasan though, that Fergie can be heavyhanded with players that he feels have affected the moral in the dressing room, or have outgrown their usesfulness in his eyes. So yes Hasan, I see where you are coming from, and things can get a bit onesided in United’s favour sometimes. I think Keano and Ruud were ousted without thanks, because of their rows with Fergie and 1st team players. But in Keano’s case, you have to remember how Fergie stood by him thru all the dark times when that fiery temper and disposition of his, got him into trouble, and brought discredit on the clubs name. So swings and roundabouts I’m afraid Hasan.
August 8th, 2008 at 22:14
@Craig Mc: But Keano did get a thanks in the form of a testimonial. Which is a token of how much he meant to the club, isn’t it?
August 8th, 2008 at 22:21
@Craig Mc
Great point! Anyhow I have had enough of this Ronaldo debate…..I am sure you have had too.
I would rather rant about how I feel we wouldn’t be as lucky as last season with injuries especially to our key players(evra, vidic rio and scholes). I would be especially concerned if the back 4 is depleted due to injuries…..plus with the amount of games we have this season….I hope we have our lions share of luck with injuries
August 8th, 2008 at 22:22
@WhiteY: Thanks for the kind words and just so you know you should go back to read all my comments on this current post by RR as well as the previous one. You will know then that I have shocked many by forgiving Ronaldo and actually am one of the loudest advocates in giving him another chance. So you indeed are getting your wish when it comes to my feelings. Thanks again for your support and kind words. They are greatly appreciated, believe me.
August 8th, 2008 at 22:25
@Grognard: Actually in the past you said Ronaldo was dead to you. And you said it would take much more than a Herculean effort for you to be convinced by Ronaldo. Which is why your about turn has been surprising to many I suppose.
Anyway, good for you if you are convinced to some extent. I am still bitter, but that’s me.
August 8th, 2008 at 22:33
@Red Ranter: When I said Herculean I never in my wildest dreams did I expect him to offer so much of his heart and soul as well as have the humility to take the responsibility for this mess and act like a man. Everything about him told me he wasn’t up to that kind of maturity and responsibility. So I was shocked and amazed and I don’t get that way easily. He flat out impressed me but as I have said earlier, I forgive him but I have not forgotten and because of that, he is on Double Secret Probation.
I’m also very positive and impressed by Fergie’s comments today that he expects Ronaldo to stay with us for his entire career or close to it. And the fact that they may be offering a new contract makes me wonder what in God’s name Fergie told the lad to get him to forget Real to the point that this might be possible? As positive as I am about the next few years, I have serious doubts about Ronaldo not eventually leaving for Madrid. Very interesting stuff indeed.
By the way, I still hold a little bitterness because I would like him to apologize directly to the supporters who he put through the ringer this summer.
August 8th, 2008 at 22:40
RR lol,can you imagine the furore in the whole of Europe, if Keano didn’t get his testimonial. I mean United were honour bound to see he got that game. Keano himself has said though, that United put him in a position where he had to up and go, because no one at the club offered him to stay.
Anyway, I have got steam coming out of my ears right now, I am so feckin mad with the current media attempts to cause more trouble and HATRED for Ronaldo. After stirring up a shit storm all summer with false and misleading bloody garbage about Ronaldo, they still won’t put the feckin thing to bed. The latest reporting, is that United are the recipients of Ronnie’s grovelling, which is how they have assessed his given interview. They like the feck’s they are, are scorning Ronnie’s words, that they don’t have an iota of sincerity or honesty about them. They want United fans to turn on him in their droves, which is completely contrary to Fergie’s call to forgive and forget. My head tells me that these shit stirring tabloids, have one mission as they have had all bloody summer, and that is to get Ronaldo out of this country by any foul means they can. He is 23 years of age, green around the gills, and yes silly in his actions in this saga. But I believe that he has done all he can now to try and make things right. If United fans respond to yet more shit stirring press agitations, then we will undo all that Fergie has fought for against both R Madrid and the gutter press. We will fall right into doing the job for Madrid, and at the same time unsettle the Man Utd players, who have all said they want Ronnie back. How feckin badly do the British media, especially the London Mafia press want Ronaldo out of United. Anything to weaken our team, and Ronnie’s resolve to continue to play for us. Well feck them all. And Feck any United fan who falls anymore for their shit. No wonder Fergie told the press brigade recently at MUTV press meeting, that they were all a valley of rats and snakes. I agree with him wholeheartedly in this situation.
Thats it then – Craig Mc rant over!.
August 8th, 2008 at 22:44
@Grognard: Fair enough. To me I have to see it to believe it. I haven’t seen him give the interview. So I really can’t discern the heart and soul that you’ve been able to spot. I am usually positive and patient with players, but when I feel crossed it takes me a while to get around.
You may be a better man than I am to have forgiven him, but I can’t really get myself to do it till I see it for myself in his demeanour.
Anyway, Ronaldo to me is a phenomenal player but a prick. However, he’s our prick. So hence the hurt. Let’s hope in time I get around to seeing him as someone who really meant what he said, but for that he has to prove it in time. Sound bytes can’t convince me.
August 8th, 2008 at 22:57
@RR, I am going to be honest with you now mate. You are the last person on this blog that I would ever have thought could keep up a constant bitterness. I say this because, whenever you have had to intervene in disputes between individual posters on the blog, you have always done so in the most conciliatory fashion, and without a hint of bitterness towards anyone. So you could say that I am very surprised to say the least. You see lol, I could be accused just like Ronnie of bullshitting and not meaning a word of what I just said. I know I’m being sincere though, and like Grog, I believe Ronnie was being honest and sincere in what he said too.
There is enough bitterness fired at our club and players all the time, and reading those comments from fans of every other club who are vomiting their bitterness all over Ronnie’s interview right now, it makes me angry. I think it’s time for United fans to Unite behind Fergie, Ronnie, and all our players. Why give the press what they want otherwise.
August 8th, 2008 at 23:04
@Craig Mc: But the difference is I would keep my bitterness to myself. I won’t tell people to go and boo him. I won’t tell them to chant his name either. I will wait and watch and make up my mind for myself. I admitted in the post that Ronaldo’s interview was honest. But at the end of the day those were words. I need to see it in action, is that too much to ask? You tell me.
I am bitter because of the way he handled things in the summer. And saying sorry was a start. Now he needs to prove it on the pitch that he’s sorry. Rio Ferdinand proved it. I will be happy to see him play for united, but I guess for the moment that’s all I can be.
I am not firing bitterness at our club or player. I am in the sidelines going to watch how the lad conducts himself. And I can’t even say what I want to see from him. It just has to convince me in my gut that he’s very sincere. That’s all.
August 8th, 2008 at 23:31
@Craig Mc: Mate I’m glad the press are doing something of that sort. Now don’t get me wrong, I feel this will become like the summer of 2006 when he returned from the World Cup as the target of the whole nation. Now it is the job of the supporters to not fall prey to these hounds from the press and stand by him, like we did then. I’m not saying we should chant songs, but we atleast should let him settle down without any discomfort. It is imperative for the team that he fires as soon as he is back.
August 8th, 2008 at 23:38
RR, but what Ronaldo did in giving the interview was ACTION wasn’t it?. He tried as best he could to explain his great emotional dilemma, wanting to care for his family and cater for their happiness, and to fulfil his boyhood dream to play in Spain one day, and naively believing that United and we fans would understand his desires. That was his mistake, because the United loyalists didn’t understand, and hated him for wanting to leave for Madrid. Now, I know that is not where you are coming from, your bitterness was the way he went about the whole saga, and I agree with you wholeheartedly on that. However, I truly believe he was naive enough to think that everyone was ok with it, and that United would be well compensated. Naivety in youth shouldn’t be punishable by long held grievances. Seems like Fergie in demanding that Ronnie to stay to get his victory over Madrid, has only served to bring Ronnie into what could only be explained as an unbearable situation for him. I can’t help it, I feel for the lad now, even though I have been on an emotional roller coaster all bloody summer.
August 8th, 2008 at 23:38
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4b0iaGlT6E
That’s what i call a taste for the audacious.
August 8th, 2008 at 23:40
RR, I am not accusing you of infecting other fans with your bitterness by the way lol. I don’t know why what he has done to make amends and asking for another chance isn’t enough, thats all.
August 8th, 2008 at 23:44
Krishnan, I salute you mate, so glad you see it that way. To hate on Ronnie is what the pack of baying wolves from media and other club fans are wanting.
August 8th, 2008 at 23:47
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/7550751.stm
Fergie says that we are looking at 3 or 4 options. Good to hear
he also says that Saha has still got a future at the club 
August 8th, 2008 at 23:48
@IBleedRed, that was a fabulous goal by Fabio, I believe we have found treasure with both these Da Silva brothers.
August 8th, 2008 at 23:50
@Grognard: He may not be match sharp, but he will be match fit. and there is a difference. See below…
@Craig Mc: It’s not three weeks, its 3 prem matches (charty shield and supercup mean nothing).
10th August – Portsmouth (CS)
17th August – Newcastle (H)
25th August – Portsmouth (A)
20th August – England vs Czech Rep
29th August – Zenit (ESC)
06th September – England vs Andorra
10th September – England vs Croatia
13th September – Liverpool (A)
21st September – Chelsea (A)
Thats nearly 8 weeks till the Chelsea match. Reports on both Sky Sports and Setanta News say he’ll be training in a few weeks, and will be fit and raring to go for Chelsea away. And he is the furthest away from return of all of our injured players. So if, as I am led to believe, Ronaldo is at most going to miss 3 Premiership matches, then this is a very positive thing.
We all know what Rooney is like, he’ll be pestering SAF for a place in the Charity Shield! I’d fully expect him Carrick and Hargreaves to be ready for Newcastle. Fergie is playing his mind games with this one.
The International break has pretty muched saved our bacon regarding C.Ron, although adding Berbatov would certainly be a much needed morale bost
August 9th, 2008 at 0:12
Do you think the reports about United being interested in David Silva are true or pure rubbish? if you true, would you guys want him?
August 9th, 2008 at 0:15
Traverse, Ronnie missed three games at the beginning of last season, and we picked up few points. I think that if we don’t get good start this season, we may not catch up the others this time. But so glad Ronnie will only miss 3 games. I thought he said though, that he wanted to help United win the Super cup????.
August 9th, 2008 at 0:46
I think I may have been one of the few to not completely want to throw Ronaldo to the wolves. However, I cannot say that I expected him to be as forthright as he was in his interview. Like Grog and other members of this site, I’d seen little of Ronaldo’s character to suggest that he would respond to this in such a manner as this.
I don’t expect the happenings of this summer to be forgotten w/ a few words, but I am at least happy that there are those that are willing to soften their stance on Ronaldo and give him the opportunity to win them back. I don’t think it will be too long after his return that you all who go to the games will be cheering him and singing for him.
Not to say that he doesn’t deserve to be booed at first. He has hurt the fans, and I think he must see that. It’s no different than when Kobe was booed at Staples Center in the first game of the season by the home fans following his well chronicled summer of turmoil. But eventually the boos turned to cheers.
I think ambivalence is the worst way to go about this, because it suggests that we don’t care about him anymore, and judging by the many comments I have read over the past few weeks, that simply isn’t true.
I think Ronaldo will be with us for many years to come. Dreams are dreams and sometimes you realize that your dream may not be what’s best for you. I think Ronaldo realized that, but it was a hard realization for him.
August 9th, 2008 at 0:51
@Traverse: The Charity Shield and the Supercup don’t “mean nothing.” These are one-offers for silverware that we fought tooth and nail last season to earn a right to play. They force scousers to thumb through a dictionary to find what septuple means.
@johnsom33: I mentioned before that I think this is a ploy to land Berbatov. We’re telling them to back-off, otherwise we’ll start inflating prices for their targets. I’m still betting on Berbatov in for, let’s say, 27 million. If we’re serious, and and land him before a striker, this blog will spontaneously combust.
August 9th, 2008 at 1:27
You guys ever considered the possibility that Ronaldo not saying anything earlier was actually a good thing? Just hear me out…
From his interview and Fergie’s statements, it is obvious Ronaldo wanted to go to Real madrid and Real did attempt to sign him. At this point Ronaldo had not conversed with Fergie yet, and his mind was still set on going to Madrid. If he came out then and publicly declared his interest in moving to Real Madrid, would that not been the equivalent of handing in a transfer request?
He said he thought the money Real offered to pay United was good enough compensation to let him leave as he felt he had won everything here, plus he wanted a new challenge and to be closer to his family, but had he not won the Champions league with us, he wouldn’t have considered it. However, United were still refusing and he was hoping both parties would come to an agreement, but United still said NO. if he had come out then saying he wanted to join Real Madrid, would that not have been an insult to the club, disrespecting his contract and the club’s heirarchy and Fergie in the process?
I believe his silence in the whole saga was justified, as any comment ‘directly’ stating he wanted to join Real madrid would have put United and Fergie in a very tricky position and I’m sure he had more respect for us than that; that is why he wanted everything handled behind the scenes and without Real having an upperhand.
And to prove this guy is more of a man/professional than most other players out there, as soon as he met with Fergie and the decision was made for him to remain in United, he gave an interview, explaining everything and apologising to everyone, even taking the blame for the press’s crazed, obsessive speculation/disregard for our double.
This lad deserves so much more respect than he gets, he is a true professional and the reason most people ‘envy’ him is because he is very confident person, especially in the skills he possesses and is not afraid to let the world know it. When the other fans and tabloids do it, I can understand it’s because of envy, but I reckon ManUtd fans should not be swayed by the media and actually look at this objectively, what has he done wrong this summer? Is it trying to materialise a dream of playing for real madrid and gettin closer to his family(with his father deceased) or is it keeping quiet about the whole situation while negotiations were held as a sign of respect towards ManUtd and Fergie?
August 9th, 2008 at 1:43
@Grognard: Ok i get what you’re saying now, my reason for questioning what Fergie said was that, as Ronaldo has shown he wants to move to Real, and i’m not so sure he’s ready to wait three years for that to happen, which is why i think he’ll leave next year. But the more i think about what he said like “we both reached an agreement” and earlier alleged comments in which he said he’d leave when Fergie does, you might be right and he might leave along with Fergie…I wonder what the team would be like in 2011…no Scholes, Giggs, Neville, Ronaldo, FERGIE. And about not exploring his options on strikers, http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/7550751.stm …he seems to be doing that and nice to see like me, he still has a LITTLE faith left in Saha.
@Traverse: Where did you pick up on this? The last i heard said three months max, and that was from SSN after the operation…
@Craig Mc: Any idea why Fergie would do this? Because if theres anything he should have learnt this summer, its that contracts mean nothing, so getting him to sign a contract will guarantee him staying…But with his comments today, the scenario of him leaving when Fergie retires seems more plausible@Gabriel: Sadly i don’t, but the closest thing i’ve got is a match report: http://www.redcafe.net/f40/reserves-vs-northwich-213247/
@Craig Mc: Aren’t Arsenal playing Ajax this weekend too?, maybe theres also a chance for Huntelaar(or any striker), and judging by his comments on BBC, looks like he has seen the urgency too and might be on too someone OR this might be a ploy to get Berbatov agitated, if he knows our interest in waning.
August 9th, 2008 at 1:57
A link to the Fabio goal for those that want it:
http://www.redcafe.net/f6/fabio-213141/index4.html
August 9th, 2008 at 2:10
@IBleedRed: We fought tooth and nail to call ourselves champions of europe, not to play in a uefa money spinner against a team we are already confirmed as better than for winning the superior european competition.
they can stick the world club cup up their bollocks aswell
Would I rub it in the face of the dippers if we win? hell yes. will I be upset if we loose? no.
Also, I think the big difference between missing Ronnie at the start of this season and the last is Tevez. He had a pre season this year and has been on fire in it. Although I’d take Berba in a heartbeat
August 9th, 2008 at 2:34
@Traverse: Everything in football is a money spinner. The business end seeps into all areas of the club. I’m not going to argue about the prestige of the trophies, but what team doesn’t want to earn a piece of silver. We get so damn spoiled that we forget how bad 80% of the league would kill for a chance to hoist even the community shield. Looking at the schedule, Fergie can afford to field his strongest possible squad. I guarantee he will and take both of these matches quite serious.
August 9th, 2008 at 3:01
@IBleedRed: The Super Cup is a byproduct, not and end goal. You ask Portsmouth if they’d rather lift the Charity shield or qualify for the UEFA cup next season and 100% of people will say the latter.
I’m sure whatever team we put out would beat Zenit, especially if they loose Arshavin, who has been the prominent figure in every one of their matches I’ve seen. Also take into account our stingy defence and our freshness (they’ll be coming to the later stages of their season).
Our B team outplayed Popmeys first team a week or so back in Nigeria, so I’m not to worried about that either.
We won the charity shield last season, but nobody talks about a treble.
The only reason teams would ‘kill’ to lift the charity shield, is because it means they’d have won either the premiership or the fa cup….
August 9th, 2008 at 4:52
@Traverse: Yes one forgets those wasted weeks watching England make fools of themselves yet again. He still needs to play a bit before he can really contribute and I can see him playing a match or two with the reserves. Who knows? Only Fergie and Ronaldo.
August 9th, 2008 at 4:58
@MUFC Fan in America: I was the number one proponent for booing him and now I am hear to beg the Nation of Mancunia to not boo him and to cheer him like he has never been cheered before. Make it a total love fest if necessary. Why? Because if Fergie is to convince him to stay for a while and possibly put pen to paper on a new long term contract, then he will need to see, hear and feel the love from all of us. It’s simple really, do you want him to stay or do you want to hold a grudge after what he has said and confessed to? I say we give the bloke our hearts one more time and hope and pray he doesn’t betray us in the end. A show of adoration and support from all of us will go far in letting him know that Manchester and OT is his home and he has no reason but to dream a future in red.
August 9th, 2008 at 5:01
@IBleedRed: The Charity Shield would mean something if it was against Chelsea, Liverpool or Arsenal. But Pompey, please, I couldn’t care less. I’ll watch and record the game but I really couldn’t care less about the result unless of course if we really get killed. And that won’t happen.
The Super Cup I think has a little more prestige. I am looking forward to that one.
August 9th, 2008 at 5:04
@Grognard: Wow! Now adoration? He’s completely off even your probation? You do love swinging from one extreme to another don’t you?
I think the reception will be mixed even though there won’t be any booing.
August 9th, 2008 at 5:07
@Rd: The only thing to fear is how the team will be in 2011 without Fergie. Players come and go. I wondered how the team would look without Bruce, Pallister, Ince, Cantona and Hughes. Then I wondered how it would look without Beckham, Schmeichel, Yorke, Sheringham, Cole, Irwin, RVN and Keane. Everytime the team retooled and we never skipped a beat. And why was that? One man Sir lex Ferguson. How in God’s name can you replace the greatest manager of all time? It can’t be done and so I am very scared and I am dreading that day. And after today’s comments I’m even more positive that Ronaldo will be here for two or three more years. And if those years end up great, he could get very comfortable with life here and do exactly what Fergie predicts and that’s stay for good. Who knows, stranger things have already happened this off season.
August 9th, 2008 at 5:12
@Rd: Thanks for that highlight link. WOW! What a goal and what skill. Seriously, I Evra’s days as numbered. I can see us selling him next year to fit this boy in. I cannot see him playing left wing because Nani will be there. Evra is world class but he doesn’t have those kind of skills. And of course Raphael already owns the RB spot in a year or two. Poor old Gary Neville should just call it a day or ask to go to Sunderland where all ex United players go to die.
August 9th, 2008 at 5:26
@Red Ranter: You are kind of being unfair to me RR. I have made my case and stated my position too many times to have to keep repeating it. I have said that I have forgiven him but I stand guarded just in case. That doesn’t meant that if I have forgiven him that I now need to boo him just so he knows I mean business. He’s no longer in my dog house but he needs to prove himself before I once again devote my heart to him and call him one of my all time favorites. That doesn’t mean I will boo him for his mistakes though. I believe in being fair when somebody makes a passionate and concerted effort to rebuild burned bridges. And I think my point about not booing him is a valid one. If half of OT gives him the raspberries like he deserved a week ago, then I cannot see him wanting to stay long term with a team whose supporters have turned on him. It’s not about his play, he doesn’t have anything to prove on the pitch. It’s about trust and respect. Show him some and he may show some back. His honest and confessional interview and new attitude has granted him that from me and from all of us I think.
RR, I’m not fickle but I’m also not a miserable old lady who holds a grudge. I’ll hold the grudge if the other person is unapologetic and unrepentant. That’s not the case here. And no, he’s still on probation but that doesn’t mean has to be treated like shit and be reminded every day of his summer mistakes. My feelings on this may have a lot to do with just how many years he does stay with us. And trust me, the fans response has everything to do with how long that will be. He is young and he is very impressionable and emotional. A very negative reaction from us will cause a very negative response from him and that’s not good for Manchester United’s long term goals.
August 9th, 2008 at 5:46
@Grognard: Kinda hypocritical since you wanted Ronaldo to play for us with a sense of loyalty to stay forever. Yet you make a case of off-loading Gazza to the cats who has given nothing but loyalty to United for a guy(crap, can’t say kid because of the same age
) who is a revelation in two games. I mean as much as I love Rafael and Fabio, I would rather see ‘The Real Captain’ bossing the squad for now. And plus we’ve still got Wes unless you’re thinking of asking SAF to get rid of him too.
No hard feelings mate, just been observing from my point of view, though your comments always entertain me. But ever since Ronaldo’s interview you’ve embraced him deeply but as you said, you still have a lingering doubt about him so fair play. Your ego must much be smaller than me and RR who haven’t forgive him yet lol.
P.S: The statement where Sunderland is the resting place of ex-United players were uncalled for.
August 9th, 2008 at 8:34
@Grognard: Grog sir! i am impressed! I must confess my respect for you has increased 1000x for your amazing words (and your putting MUFC before your own vanity with regards to keeping Ronaldo). Not many people are so forgiving in this cruel world. We certainly can do with more people like you here.
On the other hand, does anybody think a deal for a new player is already in place (going by Fergie’s latest interview). he seems pretty confident getting a new target man before start of the season! Next week could be really exciting. Its gettting better and better after a summer of gloom and agony. Rooney looks like he’ll be back soon, Ronaldo might stay longer (which could be so crucial to European domination) and we might get Berba/Huntelaar/Mr. X soon! time to buy a bottle of champagne
August 9th, 2008 at 8:42
Something from Tribalfootball! –
August 9th, 2008 at 9:09
@Jetza, EGO’s shouldn’t come into this though mate, seeing that it was Fergie’s EGO of not being outdone by Madrid that determined and kept Ronnie here. FFS, is Ronnie to be treated roughshod indefinately, because people EGO’s have taken a hit?. Truth is, he is still a United player, pulling on our famous shirt, and should be given as much support as the next player. But No, this whole bloody saga will continue to drag on, because of fans wounded EGO’s. I do not expect the same level of continuous singing his name every bloody minute of a match, because I always thought that was way unfair to every other player giving his all for our team. Every player should get his accolades. But wounded EGO’S, Red Ranter and you should check them in at the turnstiles.
August 9th, 2008 at 9:09
just imagine a team with the da silvas, ronaldo and an on-form nani on the flanks, with eooney/tevez with a real goal poacher, that could be breath taking.
August 9th, 2008 at 9:13
@Jezta: See it’s this kind of shit that pisses me off. I have spent two days explaining at depth my reasoning for my change of heart and yet people like you have to come out and call me a hypocrite. Pal you don’t know me and you have no right to call me a hypocrite. Especially after my explanations. You read one entry out of context without going back to read my initial entries yesterday and the day before and you jump to conclusions. Stick to talking football instead of slagging me for no reason. I think I have more than made my case and I’m truly getting tired of a few people calling me a hypocrite. What I am is open minded, fair and willing to forgive for the right reasons. Ronaldo gave me those reasons. When I was down on him, people were down on me. Now that I am supportive of him, people are down on me. Jeez, I fucking can’t win with some of you.
August 9th, 2008 at 9:17
@jos: Thanks for the encouragement. Perhaps you can tell Jezta and a few others to get a clue and realize that I’m not being a hypocrite. Thanks again. Considering how much grief I get on this site, any kind words from members are very much appreciated. And yes I think next week we will have Berbatov or better yet, Huntelaar. Cheers!
August 9th, 2008 at 9:19
Grog, LOL, Red Nev will never leave Old Trafford. He is another Ole, and will do his best to get on the backroom staff.
August 9th, 2008 at 9:30
Oh and Grog, I think it’s important for us to whack Pompey in the CS game, for a couple of important reasons. Firstly they did us in the FA cup, by physical warfare against our best players, esp Ronnie. Also we need to keep the indian sign on them, because we play them in the league a couple of weeks later, and we don’t have a winning record at their place. I feel like you otherwise, I would rather be playing Chelski, Arsenal or Scousers.
August 9th, 2008 at 9:37
@RD, I’m not quite sure what you mean about Arsenal playing Ajax this weekend too lol – sorry mate for being so dim as I am. What I meant about United being in LOndon for the charity shield, is that we have the opportunity to meet up with Spurs reps if any transfer negotiations are still going on, and loose ends to be tied up. What did you mean RD?.
August 9th, 2008 at 9:39
I was at the amsterdam tornament yesterday and right now I think our best option is Hunterlaar…his movement off the ball is just brilliant and he took his goal superbly and he is ALWAYS in the box…I asked ajax fans about him and they think he is a legend…obviously but he is a great talent.I hope he is 1 of the “3 or 4″ options fergie is considering.
August 9th, 2008 at 10:33
to be honest, i dont rate huntelaar that much, he is an excellent striker, you can always back him to score, when we are playing well, bbut when we are not, or we are playing a team that for some reason is getting the better of us, he doesn’t provide much, all has is goals which is good, but i expect a bit more then goals, take rooney for example, when on form, he’ll score a lot, but he’ll also do other things like help defend, try a build an attack etc, huntelaar ddoesnt, he just brings goals. bench warmer i would say.
August 9th, 2008 at 10:55
@Gabriel:
Actually I read it as Real never made an offer. Ronnies says ‘alleged’ in response to size of the transfer fee on offer. Why say alleged if the bid was there, I think like alot of us we assumed a bid based on Reals comments and the media but that there was not an actual bid made.
I do agree with the general point of the comment. People wanted him to speak sooner but as you said if he had it would have made the situation worse. He let the clubs get on with it without forcing anyones hand
August 9th, 2008 at 11:50
@Craig Mc: Seriously? I really don’t have a problem with my ego actually, I can just forgive Ronaldo easily but I don’t know, forgiving him now is kinda extreme for me. I look up to him for god’s sake, I based how I play on his style so probably it hurts me a lot.
@Grognard: Jeez, was just saying about the Gazza part, I really have no problem with you over Ronaldo. Didn’t have to get all pissed or some. I agreed that his interview was touching and all but I have more doubts about him than you do.
Sorry RR for dragging your name in it
August 9th, 2008 at 12:08
@wakey: my point exactly!! the thing is we as loyal fans were getting pissed off at what we read in the press plus the fact our rival fans just used that as an avenue to demean and undermine us; all that because Calderon wouldn’t shut his mouth about ronaldo!!!
the truth of the matter is the lad did the most professional and respectful thing in keeping quiet… imagine if he had come out before Fergie’s meeting and said he wanted to go to Real? if we didn’t let him go, then Blatter’s slave comments would almost seem justifiable about now (albeit a poor choice of words)!!
I know it seems like i’m going to the bat for this lad, but he deserves soo much more respect and gratitude that he’s given. People say he is arrogant, but he is just extremely confident and combined with the fact that his initial selfish play(due to him being a winger) came across as egotistical, people just assume he is a bad guy for no definite reason. What he did at the world cup was nothing bad, rooney stamped on carvalho’s nutsack, if the role’s were reversed, i’m sure gerrard or terry would have done the same thing!!
Fergie said that he hopes the lad stays for a long time and grows to appreciate being at ManUtd more, and it seems the players feel the same way, with their R madrid shirt prank yesterday
. We as fans should do the same, if people who were more in the know of the whole situation can forgive and forget so easily, why should we join the bandwagon of our rivals and the media and bear grudges against our own player?
August 9th, 2008 at 12:13
@Jetza, okay mate. I can understand your hurt, and reluctance to forgive straight away. I guess a lot of the United faithful are going to be a while, before coming over to back Ronnie again. It’s a shame though, because the media will jump on our division. Nobody better Boo Ronnie on the terraces where I am, because I will jump on them. Not literally lol, but verbally certainly. If people still don’t feel they can forgive him, or want him out, then they should really be blaming, and BOOING Fergie. He is responsible for bringing the prodigal son back to the United fold. Boo the other players too, because to a man they wanted Ronnie back.
August 9th, 2008 at 12:16
@Craig Mc: Cut my heart out, I promised I won’t boo him
August 9th, 2008 at 12:17
A bit off topic guys, but it seems Real are getting a taste of their own medicine…
http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=811167
..I wonder where blatter is with his ’slave’ comments now… at least our ronaldo didn’t come out publicly stating he wanted to leave, disrespecting the club in the process
August 9th, 2008 at 12:50
Jetza, hahaha, ok mate I am coming after you with my scalpel, better guard you heart with all diligence lol. That goes for all of you whose hearts and knickers are still in a twist about Ronnies homecoming. I am out to get you LOL!.
August 9th, 2008 at 12:55
Where’s the LEGENDS of this board when you need them?. JB and Fred the Red, well I know Fred the Red is round and about, but I think JB emigrated!!!. Come home JB all is forgiven!.
August 9th, 2008 at 12:58
If you believe the BBC Ferguson has said he is looking at three or four options in the striking department..indicating that Berbatov is not a done deal and thank god Ferguson is willing to look at other options.
More worryingly he is yet again talking about a fitness plan to get Saha back to 100% arguing that Saha is an explosive player worth 20 goals a season. Personallly I think a fit Saha is the equal of Berbatov and any other striker we could buy. But he has shown throughout his career that he cannot stay fit and there is no point having a player who never plays
August 9th, 2008 at 13:26
@colver: I wouldn’t go too hard on Saha.. his injuries are all related to his hamstrings – that’s because he has too much muscle on the front of his thighs as compared to the back – and Fergie said they are working on improving the conditioning of it. It’s hardly his fault that he’s that athletic (it’s probably those muscles that give him his explosive pace and jump); again, it’s not like he twisted his ankle or didn’t train and hence got fatigued, hamstring injuries are very common in sports with a lot of pace and jumpin.
Fergie is right, Saha is an explosive, talented player and I will rather have him seating on the bench or even better, playing regularly than the likes of Campbell (who by the way hasn’t mastered the art of a controlled first touch
).
August 9th, 2008 at 14:42
@Gabriel: neither has rooney
August 9th, 2008 at 15:02
@dan(u-ol): what?
how can u say that? Rooney’s first touch is sublime at most times, how you come up with that is beyond me!! If anything, most of rooney’s goals are as a result of a sublime first touch which sets him up to score!!
August 9th, 2008 at 15:04
Christ, what is the entire hullabaloo about Grognard making a sudden turn around and being fickle et al? At the end of the day it all boils down to how much we love Manchester United. Would you seriously insist on booing your best player even when his team mates, who should feel more hurt are taking the entire saga with some sense of humor? Would we boo our best player even after SAF’s comments about the difficult situation the boy found himself in? Would we boo our best player when there is a slight possibility of him staying with us longer if he feels even more loved and adored? Frankly I cant understand the hard stance of some fans concerning Cristiano. We have to understand that the Scholes and Giggs of this football world are indeed an extinct breed in this present climate of mercenaries. I don’t give a fuck about Ronaldo the person, why should I? Hell when I was his age I was certainly more mature. Who I give a fuck about is certainly Cristiano the Manchester United player. As long as there is a chance he will continue to wear the Red with pride and honour, damn he might as well be gay for all I care. People go on about him like they want to suck his balls and he wont let them. Please lets get over ourselves and wish the best for the team we love.
August 9th, 2008 at 15:15
@Grognard: Did you even see the smiley? I was kidding.
August 9th, 2008 at 15:15
@WhiteY: LOL.. not the way i’d put it, but very true!! I seriously don’t see what he did wrong this summer, having listened to the explanation he and Fergie have given us regarding the circumstances. People do really need to get over themselves and quit all this self-righteous bull; aren’t we the ones who want to get rid of a player who 100% wants to be in United but has unfortunate hamstring issues (saha)?
August 9th, 2008 at 15:25
@Craig Mc: wounded ego’s? I don’t have conclusive evidence that he’s being sincere. I have seen enough player about turns when things don’t go right. If I am convinced he’s being sincere I will readily forgive. But I am not convinced yet. How difficult is this for you to understand? This is not a matter of my ego. It’s just a case of consistency. I read an interview by Ronaldo that was translated from Portuguese. I didn’t even see the interview. If I’d seen genuineness in his face, it probably would have helped me forgive instantly.
Right now I can’t wait for the season to start. You are entitled to change your opinion and forgive him, but just because I am not convinced (and don’t agree with you), does that mean I have an ego? That’s a joke. I never boo United players at any cost. so I don’t know why me not being convinced is a problem with you.
August 9th, 2008 at 16:46
@Peterson: I couldn’t get the games here but I did see the highlights and yet again KJH scored another fantastic poachers goal. Ajax fans are not stupid. Their league may not be what it was 15 to 20 years ago but it’s still a developer of top talent.
And nobody has developed better and come as far as Huntelaar. If only Fergie could see this like I do. Yes Fergie knows best but I have rarely been so convinced by a player that I wanted him to sign. Berbatov is a great player but Huntelaar has a better and longer future.
August 9th, 2008 at 16:55
@dan(u-ol): You are acting for unrealistic and unnatural things from a striker. Remember this Dan, Rooney and Tevez are not strikers. They are forwards, but not strikers. The two of them combined couldn’t score as many goals a Ronaldo and the same thing would happen with Huntelaar. He would score 25 to 30 league goals and another 10 to 15 in other competitions. He plays exactly the way he has been taught to play the position. Also, the last thing Fergie wants is a player who plays like Tevez and Rooney. He wants the exact opposite. He wants somebody who will live in the box and poach goals as well as set some up. Berbatov is better at finesse plays and setting others up and Huntelaar is better in the air and just poaching goals like RVN. We can’t lose with either one of them in the lineup but please mate, don’t go saying that he is limited in his skills because he isn’t I have seen far too much of him to argue to the contrary. As well, you will see goals from him you have not seen from a lot of strikers. He uses both feet, is acrobatic and is brave and daring. He’ll even score from outside of the box. The player is class personified. We probably won’t buy him so I just ask you for the sake of things to watch as many Ajax games as you can in your area this season. Trust me, if you do, you will be humming the same song as me. Klass is Class.
August 9th, 2008 at 17:01
@Jezta: It’s got nothing to do with Gazza or your doubts about Ronaldo. It’s about calling me a hypocrite when I have gone on and on about why I am not and have given very valid reasons to prove that. No harm done I suppose but it gets very frustrating when you are lambasted for being negative all the time and then when something happens to give you some positive encouragement, you get lambasted again. It’s like Catch 22, I’m damned if I do and I’m damned if I don’t. Either way I still seem to get the shite thrown at me. I can’t win sometimes. So forgive my oversensitive reaction, but I kind of feel I was a little justified due tthe use of that word.
August 9th, 2008 at 17:06
RR – errr, I didn’t say you had THE EGO, it was Jetza bless him who brought that up, and I thought (if wrongly okay) that you had said it somewhere. I was answering Jetza’s post. My apologies for that. Do I have a problem with you not being convinced, not any more than I have a problem with any United fan who is unable to believe Ronnie’s words, even though Fergie has backed the sincerity and integrity of the interview fully. However, as I said in an earlier post, it certainly does look like quite a few United fans are not going to FULLY support Ronnie, until they feel they see some proof in their own minds that he has mean’t what he says. I have not said anywhere that you would boo or encourage people to boo Ronaldo. You already made that clear. You don’t have to agree with me, like you said, I do forgive him, because I have seen honesty and sincerity in his interview. I respect that. Like Grog and others, I am already convinced. It may come back to bite me on the arse, but I am willing to take that chance. What I don’t understand RR is, that you said your only problem with Ronnie is that he went about this all in the wrong way, and not anything else. So his present attitude is not going to change that is it?. He has not acted properly, we all agree on that. Any changes in his attitude, sincerity or honesty, is not going to rectify that way he has gone about things. So that only leaves to forgive him that behaviour or not. I have chosen to, and you say you can’t at this point in time. Fair enough, I want bring it up with you again .
August 9th, 2008 at 17:07
@Gabriel: Bad things should happen to bad people or bad teams. Real Madrid should suffer greatly not for what they tried to do to us but for the many times they have done this to other fine clubs and won. They need to have their collective legs knocked out from under them and be fed a real nice portion of humility. The footballing world does not revolve around that overrated and totally clownish operation. They can rot in fucking Hell and so can their bind as a bat supporters who also have the same lack of morality and lack of class.
We had a bad summer but in the end everything worked out well for us because even though we are not perfect, we don’t resort to garbage like that.
August 9th, 2008 at 17:10
@Craig Mc: JB’s either on vacation or he couldn’t take the heat that was emanating out of my computer.
August 9th, 2008 at 17:15
@colver: Saha is worth a bag of rotten apples and a one way ticket to Sunderland. Fergie is settling on keeping him because nobody is brain dead enough to buy the player knowing that they will have to sacrifice a training table and a hospital bed full time as his room and board. He’s worth 20 goals a season in our wildest fantasies. And Alan Smith will net 30 this year for Newcastle too. RIIIIIGHTTTT!
August 9th, 2008 at 17:18
@WhiteY: Bravo. Encore! Encore!
But remember, if he fucks up and wants out again, it’s his head Henry VIII style. Until and if that happens, we should bury the hatchet and love him to pieces. He is a United player now and that’s what counts.
August 9th, 2008 at 17:19
@Craig Mc: Fair enough. I just saw Jezta brought it up first, and yes it’s not a case of wounded egos with me. So sorry for that.
My problem, as you said, was with the way he behaved this summer. And his apology is a clear case of acceptance that he was wrong. I applaud him for his honesty. Now he has to show that sorry isn’t just a word. With time you’ll see I may come around to forgiving him. But right now I can’t wrap my head around that.
August 9th, 2008 at 17:24
@Red Ranter: Yes I saw the smiley RR but you are umpteenth person to call me a hypocrite (even if it was in jest) and to be honest I’m getting a little tired of it. Even if it was meant in jest, you did kind of think I was being one and you should know by now that Grognard is a sensitive soul with a hair trigger reaction mechanism build in. At least you were polite and satirical about it, but whether you meant to or not, it still stung a bit because I honestly feel in my heart that I am not being a hypocrite.
August 9th, 2008 at 17:29
@Grognard: I didn’t call you a hypocrite, but if you choose to label yourself with that accusation even if I didn’t call you that then there’s little I can do to help you.
But being the foremost critic of Ronaldo 2 days back, an about turn can be a little difficult to fathom for a lot of people and you must understand that. It does not necessarily translate to everyone calling you a hypocrite. For the record I didn’t call you so. But I still have a lot of unanswered questions for you which I could rather do via email.
August 9th, 2008 at 17:31
@Gabriel:
go look at last season…
@Grognard: but grognard, how would you know fergie want the COMPLETE opposite, i though he just wanted a striker with height and goals, thats not a COMPLETE oposite to rooney/tevez, someone like berbatov, torres, eto’o is what i thought he meant, you have to admit to this, these 3 are s different type of striker, these 3 have a better over all game, have height and can score goals, fills the valuation as does huntelaar, but to be honest all he brings is goals, the whole team would have to play around him, just like we did with ruud, which would suck, a torres or a berbatov could blend in much more easier because they have a better overall play then huntelaar.
dont get me wrong grgnard huntelaar is a great striker, but i dont think he is the answer to the striker problems. Also, i would have concerns to whether he could score against the prem defenders.
August 9th, 2008 at 17:49
@dan(u-ol): I agree with ur striker arguement, Huntelaar pretty much has one distinct attribute, he scores goals!! United want a player who is big, strong, has sublime skill on the ball, able to lead the line, drop deep and create chances. The style of the game in Europe and England is changing, teams rely on more dynamic forwards with a varied skillset that includes playmaking, dribbling, heading, hold-up play etc.
There are very few of this kind out there and the top clubs already have most of them. Berbatov is one of them and he’s available, that’s why SAF is so adamant on getting him. There’s also Benzema, but he wants to play somewhere else!! pity, he’ll be a better option cuz of the potential to develop into a great player, due to his age.
August 9th, 2008 at 17:55
RR, I do see, and I accept. You do understand don’t you, that Craig Mc is on a MISSION to get United’s faithful to join ranks AGAINST all the shit and flak coming out of the Media SEWERS, and being heaped upon our club, and Ronaldo in particular. They want to EAT Ronnie up, and spit him out. That makes my blood boil – truly!. It gives all opposition fans the opportunity to ridicule us, which they are doing in tabloid forums in their droves. Ronnie doesn’t want to be with us, he is a slave to Fergie, Fergie is a tyrant equivalent to Saddam, etc etc etc. What a triump over the whole gutter press, if United fans PUBLICALLY express support for Ron together with our manager and players, even if PRIVATELY we still have some reservations. I feel like the white version of Martin L. King, on a mission lol.
Grog, you and your hair triggered response as you call it. Your not Billy the Kid come back to life are you?????
August 9th, 2008 at 17:58
@Red Ranter: I for one can totally see your point. But I don’t think a video version would help. Just his many annoying facial mannerisms and his raised eyebrow would have been enough to piss me off. I preferred the written interview. The words came out sincere and honest and the thing that did it the most for me is the fact that he heaped love and praise on the team and especially Fergie while being man enough to take the full responsibility for this fiasco.
I worked in government for enough years that you get very hardened and cynical over watching people do bad things and never taking the responsibility for their actions. It would have been easy for him to pass the buck to his agent, his family, the media and the two clubs but he didn’t. And that makes me have much more respect for him than I had before the end of last season. Now is he sincere, who knows? But are we supposed to lock up somebody in the Chateau D’lf (Count of Monte Cristo) and feed him only bread and water until he proves himself to us? No, we put him on a long leash and let him go about his business and hopefully he will take to the direction Fergie has set for him and all will be well. If not, the executioner is waiting with a sharpened blade. Why is that so hard.
My God, the woman I loved left me after ten years so she could shack up with a Mexican acting student and pursue her delusional childhood dream of “being and actress”. I was a fool to let her go back to school in LA and look what happened to me. Now that kind of betrayal demands major anger and major revenge and I honestly don’t think I felt as bad about it as some feel towards Ronaldo. I was one of those, but I found it in my heart to forgive her, but I never forgot. I didn’t take her back but then again, her crime was far more personal and severe than that of a footballer named Cristiano Ronaldo. It’s all about proper perspective. My reasons for forgiving him hopefully are now a little bit easier to understand, even if I had to divulge something very personal about me. There is no shame on my part and I bare no grudges to the woman I once loved. So if her damage towards me was so much more serious, why did I allow myself to get so messed up about Ronaldo? The answer is simple really. Because as you now can clearly see, I hate betrayal and a lack of honesty. But I also showed an example where I could forgive a crime far worse than the one Ronaldo has committed because I was good hearted and fair at the end of the day. When I had my lady I was very happy, healthy and had a great life. I lost all that and times have been tough of late. Now place the Ronaldo saga into that equation and I just realized after his confessional that I was being silly and looking at things from an incredibly stubborn and unrealistic perspective. I love Manchester United but whether Ronaldo stays or goes is really very minor compared to one’s personal trials and tribulations. Sorry for the long and personal rant but really, I think it’s time we all got off CR7’s back, let bygones be bygones and gave him a chance to atone for his error in judgment. God know none of us are perfect and we all have made massive errors in judgment at some point in our lives. Life really is to short and precious to be all wrapped up in crap like that and we need to move forward in a positive manner. “Forgive but don’t forget”. If the Jewish nation can use that motto to remember the holocaust, then holding a grudge against a lad from Medeira who made a mistake and killed nobody is really totally lacking proper perspective. I was dead for a while, but I’m better now.
August 9th, 2008 at 18:02
@Red Ranter: You didn’t use the word mate but your words certainly alluded to it. And after the others who did use the word, forgive me if I was just a bit sensitive over having to explain my change of position for the umpteenth time. My previous post #266 I’m sure will shed some serious light on why my change was so radical.
August 9th, 2008 at 18:03
@Red Ranter: And by all means, email away. I’ll be happy to answer all your questions. Although I thought I was pretty clear on things.
August 9th, 2008 at 18:10
Absolutely wrong by Fergie.Let’s hope we sell him in January. LOL
Let’s hope that all I’ve said is absolute nonsense and Ronaldo stays here and gives us more than last year (more than 42 goals,aerial threat,free-kicks,some assists,some stupid hard kicks of the ball that find the net + SPEED ).But I just can’t see this happening.
August 9th, 2008 at 18:10
If next week comes and goes without a single new face it may induce cardiac arrest. For the love of all that is holy I hope it is on Monday. Surely one of the “3-4 options” at striker must be available. I honestly don’t care which one, I trust Fergie. Time to go do some breathing exercises.
August 9th, 2008 at 18:25
Okay, until RedRanter opens up another thread debate, can I ask you all, to name one redeeming feature for Ronaldo. I can say this one, unlike other soccer players, he never put in a written transfer request, and he contrary to all the press accusations, NEVER threatened to go on strike, or back United into a corner. In all fairness to Berbatov too, though Martin Jol said his heart has always been in a move to United, he has never disrespected spurs fans by asking for the transfer he so desires or putting in a written request. He hasn’t made public press statements like Arshavin, or Gareth Barry etc. I respect him for that. He has kept his own counsel in all this.
August 9th, 2008 at 18:27
4 me it looks like its gonna be Huntelaar. I wouldnt mind that, i think he is a fantastic target man and finisher, but we should make a move for aguero soon, he is one of my favourite forwards, and he has made his desire to play for a club like ours public.
August 9th, 2008 at 18:28
@dan(u-ol): Huntelaar is more an opposite to Rooney and Tevez than all the others combined. He is an old school striker with a kind of Gerd Mueller panache for scoring very acrobatic and exotic style goals, while still being a poacher and bagging numerous garbage goals and tap ins. He is not known for taking the ball outside of the box and passing to others or dribbling into the box to create chances. He is like RVN in the fact he needs service or rebounds to be successful. That in itself is the main reason to get him. It’s his completely different style of game that would add another dimension to United’s attack. Berbatov, Etoo and Torres as well as Aguero, Benzema and others play a game that’s more diverse to Huntelaar. The best present day comparison to Huntelaar would be RVN, Luca Toni and Mario Gomez. Toni proved that if you have a team that can give him service (Bayern) he can be a goal machine. However if you put him on a team that doesn’t know what the hell they are doing (Italy), he can struggle.
Truth be known, Huntelaar was a more suitable striker for our team in the 90’s and in the early millennium when we had crossers like Beckham. But that doesn’t mean he can’t do well with us now. Right now he would give our attack that necessary diversity and dimension that will especially help us against those teams that place ten men behind the ball. Rooney, Tevez and company have always had a problem playing their slick style against these types of teams, especially on the road.
August 9th, 2008 at 18:32
@edi: I really don’t see aguero in our team!! he is quite similar to Tevez and rooney, and there’s no way the manager will pick him over either of them, so where’s he gonna play? if he did come, he’ll be 4th choice striker!! I don’t think that’ll suit him very well….
August 9th, 2008 at 18:35
@edi: Aguero was a possible option if we had lost Ronaldo. And since that obviously was never going to happen, I don’t think he was ever a target for us. Besides, he’s tto much like Rooney and Tevez. We need a change in style to beat certain teams and Huntelaar is the ideal man for that. Berbatov is an Aguero/Huntelaar hybrid. A little of both. Benzema is priced way out of reach and Etoo has to much of an attitude problem to be an adequate alternative for Fergie. Just the way I see it. Lets hope something happens soon.
August 9th, 2008 at 18:38
@Grognard: Henceforth Grog is officially christened Saint Grogy
It was an amazing post. Life really is too short to hold grudges for these kind of things. Best really is to say let bygones be bygones and lets look for the future!
August 9th, 2008 at 18:57
@Grognard: but grognard you just described the type of striker we dont want, or we dont want back, incase you missed ut, since ruud left, we have won 2 league titles back to back, and a champions league, not to bad in my opinion.
August 9th, 2008 at 19:10
Hey Berba race heating up!
August 9th, 2008 at 19:12
@dan(u-ol): Oh come on! Berba is much better suited to our system than Huntelaar! The sooner you all realize that! The better!
August 9th, 2008 at 19:24
@Grognard: grog Eto’o is a great striker (perhaps the best of the lot out there available) and I would take him even with his attitude problems! Hell, which top player doesnt have an attitude these days… The likes of Ronaldo, Rooney, Berba, Adebayor, Drogba etc all are culprits to some or some++ extent! I’m sure Fergie can handle him.
August 9th, 2008 at 19:57
@jos: damn you beat me to it
I was about to comment on how Eto’o would be perfect. Grognard; you talk about attitudes and manage to ignore Berba looking for a move to the team he rejected to join Spurs(sorry but you should only get one chance to join the best team in the world) and Huntelaar who is speaking our for a move away from a club who made him what he is today and fans who adore him. As I remember you got pretty angry with the last person to do that 
Eto’o is better than both of these IMO and I’m sure Fergie would sort out any attitude problems quite sharpish.
August 9th, 2008 at 20:09
@Red Diablo: pay attention son and read my posts, i actually said berbatov is better suited to our type of game, where as grognard thinks huntelaar is the best option.
right RR, will regular service resume tomorrow with a match preview the a report? i dont know how, but in the last few weeks this blog keeps getting like 150+ comments yet the regulars from last season arnt here (bar grognard and most recently craig)
August 9th, 2008 at 20:40
@dan(u-ol): Ruud is not to blame for the team’s past failures. He did his job and others failed to add up. As you may remember, Fergie got rid of Beckham, Keane, Stam, Heinze, Barthez and a lot of other players who weren’t cutting the mustard or were a little long in the tooth. RVN just scored goals no matter what. And he is exactly what this team needs. With the kind of quality surrounding Huntelaar, the team’s EPL goal tally could easily go to over 100. I wouldn’t expect the same numbers from Ronaldo but Huntelaar would more than make up the drop off from Ronaldo as well as adding his own to top things off. His style is needed for all the reasons I gave before. Anyway, this debate is probably pointless because I’m 95% sure the man who comes to OT before the deadline will be Berbatov.
August 9th, 2008 at 20:42
@Red Diablo: I think Dan agrees with you. It’s me who feels Huntelaar would also fit in.
August 9th, 2008 at 20:44
@jos: I wouldn’t turn Etoo down but he is not top of my list. My list is as follows;
Huntelaar
Berbatov
Benzema
Pavlyuchenko
Etoo
August 9th, 2008 at 20:53
@Liam: Nobody is totally loyal especially those who play for smaller teams who have ambitions to play on bigger teams. If I condemn one I have to condemn thousands for feeling that way, so what’s the point. Berbatov has had a bad attitude at Spurs but there are two factors that make me side with him. First, his first choice amongst all teams is Manchester United. I love players who want to play for us. Secondly, he asked for a transfer before last season began and then shut up as he thought playing one more season would be fair for Spurs and the right thing to do. He fully expected them to grant his wishes after that show of faith and be given his dream move to United. Instead they have played games with him and in fact, they offloaded Robbie Keane their captain before him. That was unnecessary and a slap in his face to boot. The point is he formally handed in a request to move last year. Ronaldo on the other hand never actually handed that request in. Although he is under contract, he also did sign to play for Martin Jol. Ramos played head games with him subbing him off in strange situations and like RVN, he couldn’t deal with it. Yes he is a risk for United because he is arrogant and moody. So is Etoo and many others. That’s why I like Huntelaar even more. His head his squarely on his shoulders and he has the right attitude. Notice he isn’t making a lot of noise about demanding a move from Ajax. That’s the kind of player I ideally want for United. KLASS on the filed as well as off.
August 9th, 2008 at 20:53
pavychenko? dont know much about him, he wasnt that great in the euros…
August 9th, 2008 at 20:54
I think Eto’o would be a great signing. He is a great and efficient striker, and I can’t for the life of me understand why the top teams haven’t been in for him. I remember JB saying that he has a good scoring record in the CL against english clubs. I would welcome him therefore at Old Trafford.
August 9th, 2008 at 21:24
yea it looks like gibson, martin and the da silvas have all been promoted to the first team, we all new about evans replacing pique. squad for tomorrow is:
Van der Sar, Kuszczak, Neville, Brown, R Da Silva, Ferdinand, Vidic, O’Shea, Evans, Evra, Silvestre, F Da Silva, Nani, Carrick, Scholes, Fletcher, Gibson, Possebon, Giggs, Martin, Tevez, Campbell.
i wouldn’t bet against this being the squad we take to the toon, hopefully with the inclusion of our new striker, it looks like gibson and co. have been promoted and can look forward to a healthy run in the team.
August 9th, 2008 at 21:40
@dan(u-ol): Wow, our defence is quite solid, plus we have adequate depth. A bit thin on the wings but we can manage, hopefully giggs plays on the wing as opposed to SS. With a new striker, I can see our squad challenging on more fronts this season
August 9th, 2008 at 21:41
@Grognard: And its me (and dan) who beg to differ! Huntelaar is too slow!
August 9th, 2008 at 21:59
@Red Diablo
That wont really matter. He gets himself into scoring positions, and he finishes well. That is what we need. Wether he will cope with our counter attacking style (yes this is if we sign him) we will see about. But i hope we sign him or Berbatov, and Im sticking to my guns about Aguero
August 9th, 2008 at 22:04
@dan(u-ol): thanks for posting the squad. 10 defenders, 8 midfielders, and 2 forwards. Not exactly what I would call balanced. I guess we just gotta hope Fergie isn’t blowing smoke and we’ll actually have a signing in by next week.
I’m glad to see that Possebon and the Da Silva twins in the mix. I wonder if Fergie will try them out on the wings? I’d be interested to see how Evra and Fabio worked together. I know they were both on the same side against Juventus, but they should have switched positions. I’m not at all sold on Gibson or Martin. These two definitely need to go on loan.
Probable Squad:
VDS
Nevs(RDS 45) Rio Vidic Evra
Fletcher Carrick(Possebon) Scholes Nani
Tevez Campbell(Giggs)
What I would like to see
VDS
FDS (Nevs) Rio Vidic Evra
RDS Carrick Scholes (Possebon) Nani
Tevez Campbell (Giggs)
August 9th, 2008 at 22:06
I agree with Gabriel. We need to boost our squad with just one player. This is the biggest season (in terms of matches) since 2000/2001. We gotta whole load of other fixtures.
ID LOVE IT if we went one better than the scousers and won the super cup….
or was it the world club championship? I cant remember….
August 9th, 2008 at 22:08
fabio is a left back, why play him on the right?
August 9th, 2008 at 22:11
@dan(u-ol): Actually I thought he was quite good in the EUROS. I’d say three well taken goals is good enough, don’t you?
August 9th, 2008 at 22:15
he looked a ok striker, just that he could hardly find the net, he had so many chances and i can only remember him scoring once or twice. Not united quality in my opinion and while we’re on the subject, i feel arshavin is a one hit wonder.
August 9th, 2008 at 22:16
@Dan
right foot dominant but plays on the left. cuz of that goal and cuz were short on creative right wingers right now.
August 9th, 2008 at 22:16
IbleedRed, how can you leave Brown out of the team. Neither Nev nor RDS should be in ahead of Wes, and I will be surprised if the are. Pompey are a team of Big Lads, and esp so with Crouch, so Wes will be in there. Besides he has done nothing wrong that he should be dropped. The time to bring the youngsters on, is if we go 2 or 3 goals ahead in the game.
August 9th, 2008 at 22:17
@Red Diablo: He is not a speed burner but he is also not to slow. He is a tall striker for crying out loud, he’s not Sergio Aguero. He plays a more dominating game in the box where speed has nothing to do with it. Reflexes, instinct, great with both feet and exceptional in the air beats out speed any day. How many players I have seen with great speed who can’t hit the side of a barn from 4 feet. I’m looking for substance and not style or flash. He’s a poacher man, nothing more. And we need a poacher whether you think we do or not. We have more than enough speedy forwards. We need a physical one who can dominate the middle of the 18 yard box. Simple as that.
August 9th, 2008 at 22:23
@edi: yeah, that would be great.. imagine if we could win the ’septuple’ this season? We’ll go down in the history books!!!
boy, i can’t contain myself, just thinkin about the possibilities… scratch what I said before, let’s also get that young winger I was advocating for earlier, he’ll be pretty useful this season and for the future as we don’t have any promising youngsters in our reserves/academy!!!
Can’t wait till the season begins
this is what i’ve been waiting for all summer, i’m so excited!!!
August 9th, 2008 at 22:24
@dan(u-ol): He can be a little wasteful but what I love about him is his goal scoring instinct and desire. He can get 10 shots at goal in a game. So he only scores on two of them, Tevez and Rooney would take five games to get that many shots at goal. We need a goal hungry forward with courage and determination to score, and not waste his time playing footsie with the midfielders and smelling flowers by the corner flag. We have the most unaggressive forwards in all of football. They are high on style, technique,, effort but very low in substance. bottom line is they don’t score enough goals (an adequate amount) and they don’t shoot the ball enough. I like forwards that are brash, cocky and confident and who have a lust to score goals.
August 9th, 2008 at 22:24
@Grognard: Hmm! Well why not have a person with an angelic first touch? Who is tall! Can score some crackers as well!
Reminds me of someone!!!
August 9th, 2008 at 22:25
@Craig Mc: I’ll bet poor old Wes is having second thoughts about signing that contract now eh? He has earned that spot and it should take much more than a pre season for either Da Silva to take that position from him.
August 9th, 2008 at 22:46
@gator: just because he scored on his right, doesnt mean he is a right footer…
@Grognard: alright grognard fair enough, but i dont think he would fit into our system, we need a striker that fits, that will blend in straight away. we have a system that won us the PL and the CL, why break it? why not just build on it? huntelaar would break it, berbatov could improve it.
August 9th, 2008 at 22:46
Grog, it won’t happen. Those kids have no European of real PL experience. They might get bit parts, but like Lou Macari said, getting a regular start in the first team is a a good while off for them.
August 9th, 2008 at 22:47
@Grognard: Wes ain’t panicking, the guy is da bomb!! he might not be the best overlapper, but he is solid as a rock when it comes to defending. People seeem to forget the guy is one of the four reasons our defence was so watertight last season.
I think he is a better RB than he is a CB, cuz he does have those ocassional lapses, but he can get away with them as a RB. if anything, it’s Nevler that’s gonna struggle gettin into the 1st team, and we’ll see it tomorrow…
August 9th, 2008 at 22:47
in other news, the mirror claims that ferdinand will be the next england skipper, good on him, i think he should be the united skipper to.
August 9th, 2008 at 22:50
@dan(u-ol): actually both twins are right-footed, but Fabio prefers and thrives on the left… anyway, they’re both gonna get their fare share of games this season, as we will be challenging on seven fronts this season, and I hope we win everyone of them
August 10th, 2008 at 0:07
@dan(u-ol)
yeah Id love Ferdinand to lead England. Not that Total lack of bottle Terry
August 10th, 2008 at 0:17
I can’t bloody believe it!. Fergie is reported to have launched a 20 million pound bid for Thierry Henry, after talks for Berbatov have collapsed because of United’s and Spurs deteriorating relationship and open warfare about us supposed to have been tapping Berbatov. Even though news from the prem league/FA is that United will have no case to answer. I am very depressed at even the thought of United paying 20million for Henry, we’ll be the laughing stock. Henry is 31 yrs old the day we play Newcastle. When we could buy Eto’o a younger and longer lasting player, to pay 20 million for Henry is feckin obscene. Now I am depressed, because if this is true, I cannot understand Fergie.
August 10th, 2008 at 0:29
@Craig Mc: where did you see that, any links?
August 10th, 2008 at 0:31
On News Now site, This is London.
August 10th, 2008 at 0:46
Gabriel, This is London, are they reputable do you know, or another Bullshit of a site for correct news.
August 10th, 2008 at 0:47
@Craig Mc: WOW, these journo’s can really cook up a story, can’t they? Anyway, if it is true, I can only fathom one explanation, he is going to be a buffer for our capture of Benzema nxt season. He’s 31 and will only add experience to the side, maybe even redeem that winger necessity we have (he can play on the wings too). Honestly, he wouldn’t be a bad buy, but for 20mil, they’re havin a laugh.. besides, the possibilities of him coming are slim; I don’t see him coming back to the premiership to be 3rd-choice…
August 10th, 2008 at 0:59
@Craig Mc: It’s a report from the Daily Mail and to be honest, they are full of Bull. They constantly make stuff up. If you don’t see it in the BBC or the Guardian it’s not happening. The Sun and the rest just crap sites. Full of tall tales.
I just forgave Ronaldo after what he did. I don’t know if I would be able to forgive Fergie if he signed my least favorite player old Thierry Alien Head himself. Oh God, I would just puke over that possibility. That’s like tossing pepper on a strawberry sundae. It just doesn’t go and it will make you sick. Henry and Vieira are the twin Antichrist’s for me. I hate them even more than Drogba and Terry and that hatred is pretty fucking large. Christ, if that happened I would just die. It would be a major stab in my back as well as millions of die hard fans who love this team and who despise anything or anyone who has roots to Arsenal. I need to pray.
August 10th, 2008 at 1:02
@Craig Mc: not sure about the legitimacy of this particular story, but most of the stories we’ve heard this summer have been rubbish, so maybe this is another!!
I still cannot see United going for Henry, it just seems out of this world, although Fergie has liked him for quite a while, just like larsson; but if henry were to come, he knows he would be second fiddle and only have few chances. I don’t think it’ll happen.
On the other hand, if Fergie is gettin him just for this season because he plans to capture benzema nxt season, i’m up for it, maybe henry can help convince Benzema that United are the right team for his future
Maybe Fergie is planning a strike team of rooney, tevez, saha, henry, campbell, manucho… now that’s versatility
August 10th, 2008 at 1:08
@Grognard: LOL grognard, if Henry did come, that’ll be the craziest transfer in the premiership so far… I mean, everyone related to United hates Henry, and Henry probably hates everything United. It would just leave me speechless, seriously, I don’t know how I would react.. joy or anger, I seriously do not know. Anyway, I hope it’s not true and we get someone else (i’m actually beginning to prefer Huntelaar a bit, i don’t know why
)
August 10th, 2008 at 1:11
@Grognard: A quote from you earlier:
when the Guardian predicted that Chelsea would win the premiership this year, but now the Guardian is on par with the BBC for accuracy!
So are Chelsea going to win the title?
August 10th, 2008 at 1:17
Hahaha – Grog, very depictive account of your feeling to and of Henry you give there.
Gabriel, like you said about Larrson, Fergie likes to bring in a golden oldie now and again. But 20 million, to me that’s got to be so farfetched as to be unbelievable. And if it is just for a year as you suppose, then we wouldn’t get anything back for sell on of our 20 million. You know I could believe Fergie might do something ‘out there’ like this, but not for such a bloody foolish price.
August 10th, 2008 at 1:25
Benjd, the problem with that analogy, is that nobody can report with accuracy who is going to win the title, the Guardian are just hazharding a guess. The Guardian do have quite a few responsible reporters working for them. I guess when Grog talked about the Guardian and cat litter, that some reporter or article from the Guardian had pissed him off. Is that the case Grog?.
August 10th, 2008 at 1:42
20 million is too much for Henry but if we got him for 10 million or so that would be very good business for us.
He may be getting on a bit but he has a lot of experience, is a great finisher and would thrive leading the line for us. He has been off the boil the last few years but that was because he was playing with the Arsenal youth team and was adapting to a different league played out of position.
Put him in our team give him the sort of service only we can give a striker and he’ll be banging them in!
He is 31 but he should have a good three seasons left in him especially as he’d be playing as part of a rotation system.
Henry talks about loyalty to Arsenal but they got rid of him and Wenger clearly sees Henry as a relic of the past that was holding back Arsenal youth from blooming.
Certainly Id prefer Henry to Et’oo who I think is overrated and reminds me of Defoe for some reason.
Huntelaar Id like a lot but Im guessing the reason no-one goes near him is because he is overpriced by Ajax. If Manchester United won’t pay 30 million for Berbatov I cannot seem them paying 20+ million for Huntelaar who is from a much weaker league.
Silva would be an interesting option but we already have Ronaldo and Nani playing on the wings and you don’t pay 25 million for a sub and I wouldn’t want him squeezing Nani out of the team as I think it is important Nani gets lots of games to develop
August 10th, 2008 at 2:56
@benjd: Yes they are. There first order is to report the news accurately. Their second order is to have articles written for them that may provoke controversy and response. I have no problem when they report news events as they happen as they do that well and accurately. It’s the writers they have on staff who write their editorials that need to get hung. Big difference between the two and two separate departments in a journalistic paper.
And no, Chelsea will not win the title as long as we buy a striker. If we don’t buy a striker it will be 50/50. I can see them jumping out in front early with Ronaldo and others out with injury as well as our tough early schedule. After that it should be ours to win or lose.
August 10th, 2008 at 2:59
@Craig Mc: Quite often their editorials are just crap and so London biased. But they do a good job reporting the day to day goings on, and for that they are very responsible and accurate, for the most part. They sure beat the Sun.
August 10th, 2008 at 3:05
@colver: Wouldn’t you pay 20+ for Huntelaar knowing that he is a proven goal scorer and is only 24? That’s just a bit more than paying for a 31 year old washout like Alien Head who fits in Manchester like Fergie fits with Arsenal. Hell no, I’ll take Huntelaar any day of the week.
August 10th, 2008 at 3:14
yea Henry can come for 2 years and then probably he can help attract Benzema for as long term solution to center forward position!
This would be perfect. If we can land Henry for 10m or so we’ll still have 20m to get the likes of Sanchez/Silva! This would be great business this summer.
Other idea could be to have Henry or Eto’o on a season long Loan deal! Next year Berba can be available for very cheap as he would have just 1 year left on his deal (and he could buy himself out as he would have completed 3 years at Spurs)! Somehow I feel this is what the boss is planning…
August 10th, 2008 at 6:55
According to News of the World, los Merengues are demanding £17million from Ronaldo after he recently announced that he would not be moving to the La Liga giants this summer.
The Portuguese superstar seemed a certainty to leave Old Trafford after ignoring Sir Alex Ferguson’s messages while at EURO 2008 and reiterating his life-long desire to ply his trade at the Santiago Bernabeu.
But the United boss has repeatedly insisted that his prize attacker will be going nowhere, and that indeed seems to be the case after the two met for crunch talks earlier in the week.
However, the matter is not done and dusted just yet, as Madrid are now claiming that the 23-year-old agreed terms with them and had a clause inserted in his contract that entitled the Spanish champions to a hefty sum of compensation.
The continental press reports that Real president Ramon Calderon will only forego the fee if an agreement is struck that will see Ronaldo head to los Blancos next summer.
Such an outcome remains highly unlikely, however, given relations between the two clubs have disintegrated throughout the saga.
http://www.goal.com/en-india/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=812401
August 10th, 2008 at 6:57
Well the BS is starting to make the rounds and create a shit storm of stories which will confuse us and make us all wish this season would finally start and the transfer deadline would end. Now the rumor mongers are circulating strong rumors about Huntelaar once again going to the top of Fergie’s want list as well as this Henry business and still, Berbatov lingers. I think Fergie is putting feelers out there not because he is convinced he will not get Berbatov but to force Spurs hand. I still think when this is all finished it will be Berbatov who is with United and not either Huntelaar or Henry. Fergie wants Berbatov and he will get him. Hell Jos, he’s got two years left as manager. He’s not about to wait another year to get a then 28 year old Berbatov for United. It’s now or never. As soon as Arshavin or Villa are in the bag for Spurs, he will be ours. Right now Fergie is playing a deceptive game with mirrors designed to force Spurs to finally act and sell Berby, before it’s too late and they are stuck with him.
August 10th, 2008 at 6:57
If Real can actually go ahead with such bull shit, we should SUE THEM FOR TAPPING UP. They are admitting to agreeing terms with our player
I know there are no quotes. So this article is a show of the stupidity of the media or Real.
August 10th, 2008 at 7:03
As far as the striker debate goes. Im sure we’re signing someone this week. And its going to be one of- Berbatov, Villa, Benzema or Huntelaar
Heck, I know for a fact that any of these would be awesome. And equally so. Each of these guys are different(I don’t know much of Benzema)
Huntelaar is a fox in the box, wouldn’t mind coming of the bench and a good physical presence
Berbatov can hold up the ball, good first touch and can involve others in play
Villa is best at finishing and leading the line
Each are better than the other 2 at these things and thus bring different things to the attack. I wouldn’t mind any of these guys.
August 10th, 2008 at 12:05
@Grognard:
Its about the way you have shifted and your weak reasoning for it. As I have already said you are the person who wouldn’t take the word of Fergie or United when it came to Ronnie supposedly dissing Fergie yet a single Interview from Ronaldo and your attitude which had you pretty much wanting to lynch Ronaldo is now relatively positive. You also actually attacked Ronaldo for the interview he was supposed to have given where he said that a couple of goals and fans would forget yet you have proven that sentiment true as you have made a pretty big leap without even needing to score some goals.
Whats annoys me personally about your swing is many of the aspects Ronaldo raised are aspects which I raised and you weren’t even willing to consider. You were extremely pig headed and closed minded to anyone who offered an alternative view to you and who called for the benefit of the doubt to be given while there was so little actual information even when the actual facts available blew holes in the rumours.
All in all you have shown a level of fickleness and theres NO WAY you can deny that without telling us and yourself lies
August 10th, 2008 at 12:10
@Grognard:
If we get Berba I see no reason not to give Saha another chance as a 4th striker. Unless ofc we get Berba plus then an unproven but high potential striker like Huntelaar as you wouldnt want to be wasting playing time on Saha when Huntelaar could be given the time to get settled into the English Game
August 10th, 2008 at 13:31
Piper, I was thinking the same as you. If Real M go ahead with this ludicrous sue business because Ronnie has supposedly done a deal with them, then United and FIFA have proof positive of Madrid interfering with our player. So all their LIES will expose them as the devious bastards we all know they are. And that sad sap Blatter knows they are. Also, didn’t Ronaldo say just recently that he hasn’t SIGNED anything?. Madrid are just trying to use their improper conduct to hook Ronnie into another bully tactic attempt to commit himself to signing for them next season. Isn’t that BLACKMAIL. Fergie will give them hell over this if it’s true.
August 10th, 2008 at 16:03
@wakey: You know nothing about me as a person so leave it alone and talk football instead of finding ways to wind me up. I’m not playing anymore.
August 10th, 2008 at 16:18
Grognard…id pay 10 million for Henry, 15 million for Huntelaar, and 25 million for Berbatov.
I admit I have not seen Huntelaar play much and respect your assessments of him. But Ajax are a selling club and it seems odd that at 24 he is still at Ajax and there have been no firm offers reported from any club. My only conclusion is that he is being priced out of the market by Ajax and is not worth the 20 million or so they are asking for him.
August 10th, 2008 at 16:56
@Grognard:
You dont need to know anything about a person to know when a persons stance on something shows fickleness. Your fickle plain and simple and none of your explanations for your change are valid for such a change. You were the most EXTREME person making comments and were ignoring facts and others views and were taking rumours as facts and suddenly you are now being somewhat resonable. Even people like RR who were negative to Ronaldo and have warmed a bit since the interview are now more negative than you.