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		<title>By: Grognard</title>
		<link>http://redrants.com/roundup-for-thursday/comment-page-1/#comment-11236</link>
		<dc:creator>Grognard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 16:52:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes I agree about Germany since 1998 actually.  They went into a negative and downward tailspin due to a drying up of talent and tactics designed to work with lesser talent.  And yet how great are they?  They still made the final of the 2002 World Cup where I feel they outplayed Brazil and were unlucky to not win.  A few goalposts and the poor game by Kahn cost them.  They still had natural goal scorers in Ballack and Klose.

The Bundesliga has suffered the most.  When I was a teen my greatest exposure to football was a one hour tv show called &quot;Soccer Made In Germany&quot;  They would show the game of the week and condense it into an hour.  For ten years I watched the greats of the Bundesliga play the game the way it should be played.  Bayern with Beckenbauer, Muller, Rummenigge, Breitner, Maier and Hoeness, Cologne with Dieter Muller, Flohe and Schumacher, Hamburg with Kevin Keegan, the Monster Hrubesch, Magath, Kaltz and Moenchengladbach with Vogts, a young Matthaus, Heynckes and the great little Dane Simonsen.  And the list goes on with fantastic players.  Even the poor teams had a player or two that could play very well.

The league had quality defenders but the style was open and attack was promoted.  Quite often the poor teams were very tough to beat in their park and they could occasionally shock a titan.  Minnows back in that league and era, were capable of more and showed a lot more courage to attack.  All teams back then played 4-3-3 and some played 4-4-2 but the 4-3-3 was to be compared with todays version.  Back then 4-3-3 meant two central strikers charged to score goals and a winger who&#039;s jon it was to create width and get in crosses.  Many teams had scoring midfielders and many defenders were very attack minded with Beckenbauer being the King.

It&#039;s too bad that along the way something happened to the game world wide and that kind of entertaining soccer was replaced by the brand most teams play today.  Lets thank Italy for all the crap that is soccer today.  Klinsmann created a Renaissance in German football not just by tactics and formations, but by team attitude, diet and team traing methods.  Once again they are the team to beat and I for one think they will win EURO 08.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes I agree about Germany since 1998 actually.  They went into a negative and downward tailspin due to a drying up of talent and tactics designed to work with lesser talent.  And yet how great are they?  They still made the final of the 2002 World Cup where I feel they outplayed Brazil and were unlucky to not win.  A few goalposts and the poor game by Kahn cost them.  They still had natural goal scorers in Ballack and Klose.</p>
<p>The Bundesliga has suffered the most.  When I was a teen my greatest exposure to football was a one hour tv show called &#8220;Soccer Made In Germany&#8221;  They would show the game of the week and condense it into an hour.  For ten years I watched the greats of the Bundesliga play the game the way it should be played.  Bayern with Beckenbauer, Muller, Rummenigge, Breitner, Maier and Hoeness, Cologne with Dieter Muller, Flohe and Schumacher, Hamburg with Kevin Keegan, the Monster Hrubesch, Magath, Kaltz and Moenchengladbach with Vogts, a young Matthaus, Heynckes and the great little Dane Simonsen.  And the list goes on with fantastic players.  Even the poor teams had a player or two that could play very well.</p>
<p>The league had quality defenders but the style was open and attack was promoted.  Quite often the poor teams were very tough to beat in their park and they could occasionally shock a titan.  Minnows back in that league and era, were capable of more and showed a lot more courage to attack.  All teams back then played 4-3-3 and some played 4-4-2 but the 4-3-3 was to be compared with todays version.  Back then 4-3-3 meant two central strikers charged to score goals and a winger who&#8217;s jon it was to create width and get in crosses.  Many teams had scoring midfielders and many defenders were very attack minded with Beckenbauer being the King.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s too bad that along the way something happened to the game world wide and that kind of entertaining soccer was replaced by the brand most teams play today.  Lets thank Italy for all the crap that is soccer today.  Klinsmann created a Renaissance in German football not just by tactics and formations, but by team attitude, diet and team traing methods.  Once again they are the team to beat and I for one think they will win EURO 08.</p>
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		<title>By: jos</title>
		<link>http://redrants.com/roundup-for-thursday/comment-page-1/#comment-11223</link>
		<dc:creator>jos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 09:45:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grogs,
ok that might be the past but i wasnt really born in that era! I havent really heard of most of the players (except beckenbaur who is such a legend but was a defensive mid &amp; Muller who I accept was one of the greatest strikers ever - based purely from what I&#039;ve of him) I have started following football from 1994 onwards (seriously from 2002 when I first landed in Europe) and have been a fan since. Probably thats why I am a man utd fan coz they were THE top side at that time (though not in europe but I liked RVN and so started following utd and have been a red devil even though RvN has left!) In last 10 yrs or so I havent seen much to talk about from Germany. I followed WC&#039;02 &amp; Euro04 and both times germany were not so attaking (only were somewhat good in WC06). Germany today are known as a clinical, professional side rather than attractive side! 
If we talk of bygone era, yes scores like 5-3 or 7-4 were common those days but I guess that is over now! Now teams are too defensive (not that they were not so earlier.. maybe the rules have something to say about that) Utd are prob the most (or one of the most) attacking teams I have seen. My all time fav national team happens to be the mighty hungary team of 50s that had Puskas and kocsis. Again I&#039;ve just read about them and have formed an opinion about them (I prob dont like german footy so much as they so unfairly beat hungary in 54 WC) but thats ok. bygones are bygones and todays reality is the most attacking teams in europe are cezh and holland (in my opinion). eng are one of the negative teams alongside greece, italy and germany. portugal are somewhat ok.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grogs,<br />
ok that might be the past but i wasnt really born in that era! I havent really heard of most of the players (except beckenbaur who is such a legend but was a defensive mid &amp; Muller who I accept was one of the greatest strikers ever &#8211; based purely from what I&#8217;ve of him) I have started following football from 1994 onwards (seriously from 2002 when I first landed in Europe) and have been a fan since. Probably thats why I am a man utd fan coz they were THE top side at that time (though not in europe but I liked RVN and so started following utd and have been a red devil even though RvN has left!) In last 10 yrs or so I havent seen much to talk about from Germany. I followed WC&#8217;02 &amp; Euro04 and both times germany were not so attaking (only were somewhat good in WC06). Germany today are known as a clinical, professional side rather than attractive side!<br />
If we talk of bygone era, yes scores like 5-3 or 7-4 were common those days but I guess that is over now! Now teams are too defensive (not that they were not so earlier.. maybe the rules have something to say about that) Utd are prob the most (or one of the most) attacking teams I have seen. My all time fav national team happens to be the mighty hungary team of 50s that had Puskas and kocsis. Again I&#8217;ve just read about them and have formed an opinion about them (I prob dont like german footy so much as they so unfairly beat hungary in 54 WC) but thats ok. bygones are bygones and todays reality is the most attacking teams in europe are cezh and holland (in my opinion). eng are one of the negative teams alongside greece, italy and germany. portugal are somewhat ok.</p>
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		<title>By: Grognard</title>
		<link>http://redrants.com/roundup-for-thursday/comment-page-1/#comment-11222</link>
		<dc:creator>Grognard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 08:35:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JOS;  Your age is showing man.  Obviously you know very little about the attacking style and history of German football.  If you were old enough you would realize how completely wrong and misinformed you are.  Up until 1986 Germany was always an attack first side.  The German National teams of the 70&#039;s were amongst the most offensive minded and innovative attacking machines in footballing history.  Together with the Dutch they played and perfected the idea of &quot;Total Football&quot; also known as the &quot;Whirl&quot; which was revolutionary at the time and worked around the principle that anyone on the field could attack and another would back them by taking their defensive duties.  It confounded and confused opposition teams in to submission.  Other than the 1970 Brazil team that won the World Cup, I would rate the German side between 1972-74 as the second greatest side in history and arguably the greatest offensive team to ever play the game.  They scored a lot of goals, showed tremendous skill and played an attacking and tactically pleasing style.

Players like Muller, Beckenbauer, Netzer, Hoeness, Heynckes etc made that era fantastic.  The German Bundesliga was also a goal extravaganza.  There would be very high scoring games and 4-2, 5-3 games were a regular occurrence.  In the early 80&#039;s players like Rummenigge, Fischer, Breitner and many more always made Germany an offensive threat.  Things became more negative as the game changed in the mid 80&#039;s.  Still, players like Klinsmann, Voeller, Matthaus etc maintained the prestige of German soccer up until 1998.  That is when things went bad in both the National Team and in the Bundesliga.  The Bosman Rule has had more damage on German football than anything.  But they are making a quick recovery and are now one of the favorites to win EURO 08.  So the National team certainly does not suck.  And heaven help any team that has to beat a German team in a penalty kicks shootout.  No team has reached the World Cup Final more than the Germans and they have had a club side reach the CL final no less than 12 times in the tourney&#039;s history.  At no time other than the 2002 World Cup were the teams ever negative in their play.  Sometimes their style was slow but very methodical and their aim was always to score goals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JOS;  Your age is showing man.  Obviously you know very little about the attacking style and history of German football.  If you were old enough you would realize how completely wrong and misinformed you are.  Up until 1986 Germany was always an attack first side.  The German National teams of the 70&#8217;s were amongst the most offensive minded and innovative attacking machines in footballing history.  Together with the Dutch they played and perfected the idea of &#8220;Total Football&#8221; also known as the &#8220;Whirl&#8221; which was revolutionary at the time and worked around the principle that anyone on the field could attack and another would back them by taking their defensive duties.  It confounded and confused opposition teams in to submission.  Other than the 1970 Brazil team that won the World Cup, I would rate the German side between 1972-74 as the second greatest side in history and arguably the greatest offensive team to ever play the game.  They scored a lot of goals, showed tremendous skill and played an attacking and tactically pleasing style.</p>
<p>Players like Muller, Beckenbauer, Netzer, Hoeness, Heynckes etc made that era fantastic.  The German Bundesliga was also a goal extravaganza.  There would be very high scoring games and 4-2, 5-3 games were a regular occurrence.  In the early 80&#8217;s players like Rummenigge, Fischer, Breitner and many more always made Germany an offensive threat.  Things became more negative as the game changed in the mid 80&#8217;s.  Still, players like Klinsmann, Voeller, Matthaus etc maintained the prestige of German soccer up until 1998.  That is when things went bad in both the National Team and in the Bundesliga.  The Bosman Rule has had more damage on German football than anything.  But they are making a quick recovery and are now one of the favorites to win EURO 08.  So the National team certainly does not suck.  And heaven help any team that has to beat a German team in a penalty kicks shootout.  No team has reached the World Cup Final more than the Germans and they have had a club side reach the CL final no less than 12 times in the tourney&#8217;s history.  At no time other than the 2002 World Cup were the teams ever negative in their play.  Sometimes their style was slow but very methodical and their aim was always to score goals.</p>
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		<title>By: Red Ranter</title>
		<link>http://redrants.com/roundup-for-thursday/comment-page-1/#comment-11221</link>
		<dc:creator>Red Ranter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 08:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meanwhile Fergie gives himself &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11095_3252990,00.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;three more years&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meanwhile Fergie gives himself <a href="http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11095_3252990,00.html" rel="nofollow">three more years</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Redd75</title>
		<link>http://redrants.com/roundup-for-thursday/comment-page-1/#comment-11220</link>
		<dc:creator>Redd75</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 08:15:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to think that Man Utd is different from any other club. We get behind and support our players especially when they are NOT doing well, because that&#039;s when they really need the fans&#039; support. We don&#039;t just sing when we&#039;re winning...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to think that Man Utd is different from any other club. We get behind and support our players especially when they are NOT doing well, because that&#8217;s when they really need the fans&#8217; support. We don&#8217;t just sing when we&#8217;re winning&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: donibrasco</title>
		<link>http://redrants.com/roundup-for-thursday/comment-page-1/#comment-11218</link>
		<dc:creator>donibrasco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 07:50:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>like rooney can play in any other top team.basing on his form this season,he wouldnt play in any other top side in europe.in spain where fans boo their non performing players,he would ask to  leave.
this whole rooney praise should stop until he performs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>like rooney can play in any other top team.basing on his form this season,he wouldnt play in any other top side in europe.in spain where fans boo their non performing players,he would ask to  leave.<br />
this whole rooney praise should stop until he performs.</p>
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		<title>By: SHANNON</title>
		<link>http://redrants.com/roundup-for-thursday/comment-page-1/#comment-11217</link>
		<dc:creator>SHANNON</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 07:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My bad, u were talking about the pole</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My bad, u were talking about the pole</p>
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		<title>By: SHANNON</title>
		<link>http://redrants.com/roundup-for-thursday/comment-page-1/#comment-11216</link>
		<dc:creator>SHANNON</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 06:59:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&amp; joe.. what ur saying about VDS is a joke right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&amp; joe.. what ur saying about VDS is a joke right?</p>
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		<title>By: SHANNON</title>
		<link>http://redrants.com/roundup-for-thursday/comment-page-1/#comment-11215</link>
		<dc:creator>SHANNON</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 06:59:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>good point about defoe rick</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>good point about defoe rick</p>
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		<title>By: jos</title>
		<link>http://redrants.com/roundup-for-thursday/comment-page-1/#comment-11213</link>
		<dc:creator>jos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 05:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>have ppl heard of this young german goalie, Rene Adler? Apparently he is rated quite highly and his fav team are United! After VDS is gone we&#039;ll just have one good goalie (Foster, but he is still not proven at a top club like utd) I guess SAF will certainly look at strengthening this position this summer so that the new goalie has enf time to bed in by the time VDS goes.
PIG is just too average in my opinion. Not suited for a club like utd. Even Howard was better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>have ppl heard of this young german goalie, Rene Adler? Apparently he is rated quite highly and his fav team are United! After VDS is gone we&#8217;ll just have one good goalie (Foster, but he is still not proven at a top club like utd) I guess SAF will certainly look at strengthening this position this summer so that the new goalie has enf time to bed in by the time VDS goes.<br />
PIG is just too average in my opinion. Not suited for a club like utd. Even Howard was better.</p>
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