Comments on: Some Manuel Neuer talk + Refs’ union continue to whine http://redrants.com/some-manuel-neuer-talk-refs-union-continue-to-whine/ Manchester United Blog Thu, 18 Mar 2010 20:30:16 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Grognard http://redrants.com/some-manuel-neuer-talk-refs-union-continue-to-whine/comment-page-5/#comment-94273 Grognard Mon, 16 Nov 2009 18:47:48 +0000 http://redrants.com/?p=2397#comment-94273 @<a href="#comment-94132" rel="nofollow">Red Ranter</a>: It really comes down to the lack of goals being scored in these international tournaments. Every four years the total gets lower and lower. Teams defend more for their survival and are more concerned with not losing than they are with winning. For me the glory days of the tournament were in the 70's when you had plenty of goals but also some fine defense. Brazil showing their class in 1970 and both offensive juggernauts West Germany and Holland making the final in 1974. The best way I can describe how bad it has gotten is that in 1970 Gerd Muller scored 10 goals in 6 games that he played. Today the winning team or a most of the teams that even make it to the final four struggle to score ten goals as a team in 6 games. Caution is the name of the game and it has shown in many finals. 1990, 1994 were disgraceful finals at a time when the game had a chance to really sell itself. In fact, the only real good final since 1974 in my opinion was 1986. All the others pale in comparison and are usually not only anticlimactic, but an accurate end product to the whole tournament in general. @Red Ranter: It really comes down to the lack of goals being scored in these international tournaments. Every four years the total gets lower and lower. Teams defend more for their survival and are more concerned with not losing than they are with winning. For me the glory days of the tournament were in the 70’s when you had plenty of goals but also some fine defense. Brazil showing their class in 1970 and both offensive juggernauts West Germany and Holland making the final in 1974. The best way I can describe how bad it has gotten is that in 1970 Gerd Muller scored 10 goals in 6 games that he played. Today the winning team or a most of the teams that even make it to the final four struggle to score ten goals as a team in 6 games. Caution is the name of the game and it has shown in many finals. 1990, 1994 were disgraceful finals at a time when the game had a chance to really sell itself. In fact, the only real good final since 1974 in my opinion was 1986. All the others pale in comparison and are usually not only anticlimactic, but an accurate end product to the whole tournament in general.

]]> By: Red Ranter http://redrants.com/some-manuel-neuer-talk-refs-union-continue-to-whine/comment-page-5/#comment-94133 Red Ranter Mon, 16 Nov 2009 07:34:10 +0000 http://redrants.com/?p=2397#comment-94133 New post up. New post up.

]]> By: Red Ranter http://redrants.com/some-manuel-neuer-talk-refs-union-continue-to-whine/comment-page-5/#comment-94132 Red Ranter Mon, 16 Nov 2009 07:33:52 +0000 http://redrants.com/?p=2397#comment-94132 @<a href="#comment-94120" rel="nofollow">Grognard</a>: That's true. It has lost its allure to me a long time ago. I get excited for the Euros and the World Cups, but not as much as I used to. Arsene Wenger and Mourinho have, in the past said that the real football is played in the club level. The only allure the international game holds is that money is not the primary motivation for the players and it is a sense of national pride in major tournaments. I think if there's any thread the international game can hold onto, that's the only thing I can really think of. It's sad, but that's how it's turned out. @Grognard: That’s true. It has lost its allure to me a long time ago. I get excited for the Euros and the World Cups, but not as much as I used to. Arsene Wenger and Mourinho have, in the past said that the real football is played in the club level. The only allure the international game holds is that money is not the primary motivation for the players and it is a sense of national pride in major tournaments. I think if there’s any thread the international game can hold onto, that’s the only thing I can really think of.

It’s sad, but that’s how it’s turned out.

]]> By: Grognard http://redrants.com/some-manuel-neuer-talk-refs-union-continue-to-whine/comment-page-4/#comment-94120 Grognard Mon, 16 Nov 2009 06:37:06 +0000 http://redrants.com/?p=2397#comment-94120 @<a href="#comment-94090" rel="nofollow">Red Ranter</a>: I'm talking about the whole international break mate, not today. And when I refer to "today", I mean the international environment as it is these days. For me it does not offer the allure it once did. I think club football is much more enjoyable and intense. @Red Ranter: I’m talking about the whole international break mate, not today. And when I refer to “today”, I mean the international environment as it is these days. For me it does not offer the allure it once did. I think club football is much more enjoyable and intense.

]]> By: AndyCR7 http://redrants.com/some-manuel-neuer-talk-refs-union-continue-to-whine/comment-page-4/#comment-94118 AndyCR7 Mon, 16 Nov 2009 06:27:22 +0000 http://redrants.com/?p=2397#comment-94118 @<a href="#comment-94111" rel="nofollow">Footy4Eddy</a>: And Arsenal have enough quality to replace Van Persie (Eduardo, Vela)... and that new boy Marida(?) is also good I heard... @Footy4Eddy: And Arsenal have enough quality to replace Van Persie (Eduardo, Vela)… and that new boy Marida(?) is also good I heard…

]]> By: AndyCR7 http://redrants.com/some-manuel-neuer-talk-refs-union-continue-to-whine/comment-page-4/#comment-94116 AndyCR7 Mon, 16 Nov 2009 06:22:46 +0000 http://redrants.com/?p=2397#comment-94116 @<a href="#comment-94111" rel="nofollow">Footy4Eddy</a>: Evans is also injured(?). @Footy4Eddy: Evans is also injured(?).

]]> By: Footy4Eddy http://redrants.com/some-manuel-neuer-talk-refs-union-continue-to-whine/comment-page-4/#comment-94111 Footy4Eddy Mon, 16 Nov 2009 06:16:18 +0000 http://redrants.com/?p=2397#comment-94111 Van Perise out for 3 months because of an injury he recieved on International duty. :lol: These friedlies may actually be good for something! Now just bring back our boys healthy and ready to fire on the fronts! :grin: Van Perise out for 3 months because of an injury he recieved on International duty. :lol: These friedlies may actually be good for something! Now just bring back our boys healthy and ready to fire on the fronts! :grin:

]]> By: Red Ranter http://redrants.com/some-manuel-neuer-talk-refs-union-continue-to-whine/comment-page-4/#comment-94090 Red Ranter Mon, 16 Nov 2009 04:47:57 +0000 http://redrants.com/?p=2397#comment-94090 @<a href="#comment-94077" rel="nofollow">Grognard</a>: I think the friendlies have been meaningless today for most part today (where there any important ones today?). There were a lot of internationals worth talking about yesterday -- and hence we did have fair few comments yesterday. Most people aren't invested in some of the countries that played today. Can't blame the people for that to be honest. :D That, and maybe it's good people did other stuff on a Sunday than debate on the internet for a change. :D @Grognard: I think the friendlies have been meaningless today for most part today (where there any important ones today?).

There were a lot of internationals worth talking about yesterday — and hence we did have fair few comments yesterday. Most people aren’t invested in some of the countries that played today. Can’t blame the people for that to be honest. :D

That, and maybe it’s good people did other stuff on a Sunday than debate on the internet for a change. :D

]]> By: Grognard http://redrants.com/some-manuel-neuer-talk-refs-union-continue-to-whine/comment-page-4/#comment-94077 Grognard Mon, 16 Nov 2009 04:09:27 +0000 http://redrants.com/?p=2397#comment-94077 Man I am gone for 12 hours and I come back and there aren't even 10 posts. Fuck I hate international breaks. Footy fans put their collective heads in the sand. And really, does anybody give a damn about international football anymore? Nobody seems interested in games or wants to talk about it. So why do they have so much of it? Fact is, club football has taken over as the number one choice of fans world wide. TV cable packages, the internet and licensing has made the big clubs of Europe the must see tv that surpasses international boredom weeks. Nobody appreciates their season being delayed because of all this crap. I know I don't. Man I am gone for 12 hours and I come back and there aren’t even 10 posts. Fuck I hate international breaks. Footy fans put their collective heads in the sand. And really, does anybody give a damn about international football anymore? Nobody seems interested in games or wants to talk about it. So why do they have so much of it? Fact is, club football has taken over as the number one choice of fans world wide. TV cable packages, the internet and licensing has made the big clubs of Europe the must see tv that surpasses international boredom weeks. Nobody appreciates their season being delayed because of all this crap. I know I don’t.

]]> By: Grognard http://redrants.com/some-manuel-neuer-talk-refs-union-continue-to-whine/comment-page-4/#comment-94076 Grognard Mon, 16 Nov 2009 04:04:59 +0000 http://redrants.com/?p=2397#comment-94076 @<a href="#comment-94000" rel="nofollow">Footy4Eddy</a>: Lehmann did make his share of mental errors but technically, he was an outstanding goalkeeper. Watch the 2005 FA Cup final again to see just how great he was. @Footy4Eddy: Lehmann did make his share of mental errors but technically, he was an outstanding goalkeeper. Watch the 2005 FA Cup final again to see just how great he was.

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