Sep 26
Stoke City vs Manchester United: Preview
Having edged into the fourth round of the Carling Cup, albeit with an ultimately monotonous performance, the Premier League returns for United on Saturday and a somewhat tricky trip to the Britannia Stadium awaits.
Stoke have started the season in a pretty decent fashion having picked up seven points already and been extremely unfortunate not to have come away with something more last weekend against Bolton and previously against Chelsea too.
You would expect that will give them legitimate confidence that they are capable of getting something against us and expect nothing short of a hard-fought and closely contested encounter.
The corresponding fixture last season was a noticeably tight and tense affair, certainly from a United perspective, as a late winner from a certain Argentine striker claimed all three points against the resilient Potters on Boxing Day.
Ferguson rung the changes on Wednesday evening and expect similarly wholesale changes as the league focus returns. The major confirmed team news is that Ben Foster, who hardly covered himself in glory with his display in the Manchester derby, will continue to deputise for Edwin van der Sar.
The back-four almost inevitably picks itself, with Patrice Evra and John O’Shea returning at full-back while Rio Ferdinand should line-up alongside Nemanja Vidic.
I don’t expect Sir Alex to deviate too much from the midfield that played against City although if anyone was to drop out, I would expect it to be Anderson and Park for Scholes and Nani respectively.
That should see Ryan Giggs keep his place in the starting eleven and after having run rings around Micah Richards on Sunday, it was revealed this week that Giggs had created more goalscoring opportunities than any other player in the Premier League with 24.
It’s little statistical titbit’s like that that help give an indication of just how important the Welshman has been to the United cause thus far this season, even at 35-years-old.
It’s fair to say that going away to someone like Stoke may bring about a change in formation, although with the opposition most likely lining up in a 4-5-1 formation themselves, you would think it would be a wise move to avoid the temptation of going like for like and adopting the 4-4-2 system that has served us so well with Rooney and Berbatov lining up in attack.
As well as confirming that Foster would indeed be starting on Saturday, Ferguson moved to provide some good news regarding the recovery of a somewhat forgotten midfield man, Owen Hargreaves, who has been out of action for the last nine months as he recovers from double knee surgery.
“Hargreaves is back now and I hope the boy gets a break and continues his rehab without any further mishaps,” the United manager said.
“It’s been a long time for the lad. Normally, when a player has been out for that length of time, he has been helped by doing his rehab with the other players.
“But the fact he did it on his own in America, under the guidance of Dr Steadman, is not easy.
“He has shown the determination and resilience to see it through, though, and he is now back with us.
“I feel that maybe it will still take us four weeks to get him into the rhythm of training again and get to the point of match-play, but hopefully he is on the way back.”
Stoke boss Tony Pulis, meanwhile, spoke of the departures of Carlos Tevez and Cristiano Ronaldo in the summer, praising the likes of Scholes and Giggs for the way they continue to defy the odds with such assured performances.
“Clubs do not get over losing players like Ronaldo and Tevez quickly,” he said.
“It is very difficult whether you are Manchester United or Stoke to lose a player who has been scoring so freely and creating goals for his team-mates.
“The greatest thing for Alex is how well players like Scholes and Giggs are doing. It is pretty amazing they are not just still going but going strong as well.
“It is amazing. When Giggs finishes playing he will be seen as one of the greats of the game, I am sure.”
While the Potters will no doubt have their tremendous support behind them whatever scenario they are faced with during the 90 minutes (plus stoppages!), on paper we certainly have enough quality and we are a side in form with six successive wins.
Stoke will certainly battle for everything and, in terms of physicality, they may just have the edge. Foster will need to have all his wits about him as Pulis I’m sure will be desperate for every conceivable set-piece (including the Delap throw) to be arrowed in and around his six-yard-box. One would suspect it will prove to be the ultimate test for the England goalkeeper following on from events in Manchester on Sunday. Let’s just hope he gets through unscathed.
Prediction: 1-0 United
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Tags: Game Preview
September 26th, 2009 at 7:46
I hope we can come through with the three points in any way possible although a clean sheet would be nice.
September 26th, 2009 at 7:58
Foster may not get too many chances if he messes up this time! I certainly hope we play the two up front.
September 26th, 2009 at 8:40
I expect nothing more than 1-0 today.
September 26th, 2009 at 8:44
guys, these sites are showing Stoke v Man Utd live (based on their schedule):
http://tv.indonewyork.com and http://f7ac3a47.ugalleries.net
September 26th, 2009 at 9:09
2-0 to United.
September 26th, 2009 at 9:39
whats irony?United winning all three games against shitty,spurs and arsenal, and then drawing against stoke.
September 26th, 2009 at 11:08
United will win this one,but what concerns me is how we seem to be reactionary as a team.We only look for goals when we are one down or level and we get it so that means there are lots of goals in this team.Question is why don’t we attack and kill off the game to avoid undue pressure in the last minutes? We may not be lucky all the time.
September 26th, 2009 at 12:27
Hope United will win today!
Stoke City vs. Manchester United live streams
September 26th, 2009 at 13:20
Let me talk you through what will happen today.
Foster will concede a tap in, then all his haters will come and say hes the shittiest keeper since the game began.
Anybody care to bet otherwise?
September 26th, 2009 at 13:34
on what channel is the game showing? or is it not being broadcasted ?
September 26th, 2009 at 14:04
@Dan: Let me talk you through what will happen today.
Foster will make another cock up, then all his haters will come and say hes the shittiest keeper since the game began.
Fixed!
September 26th, 2009 at 14:13
@Dan: Or hell fuck up and wel say hes the shittiest keeper since the game began
September 26th, 2009 at 14:13
Foster
O’Shea
Ferdinand
Vidic
Evra
Valencia
Fletcher
Scholes
Nani
Rooney
Berbatov
that’s the team to play stoke, i think it will be 1-2 to united
September 26th, 2009 at 14:15
Confirmed Team
Foster
O’Shea
Rio
Vidic
Evra
Nani
Fletcher
Scholes
Valencia
Berbatov
Rooney
SUBS: PIG, Nevile, Owen, Anderson, Giggs, Carrick, Evans
Pretty much our best team other then scholes playing.
September 26th, 2009 at 14:29
Shall we start taking bets on what minute Scholes gets sent off in?
September 26th, 2009 at 15:11
Scholes on his final warnign for a nothing challenge already. Nani has been taken out twice and not even a word. Joke.
September 26th, 2009 at 15:17
WTF was that Nani!!
September 26th, 2009 at 15:35
Stop. Hitting. Long. High. Balls.
September 26th, 2009 at 15:35
wtf long ball galore
September 26th, 2009 at 15:37
nani has wasted quite a few balls
September 26th, 2009 at 15:44
and Stoke are parking the bus…
September 26th, 2009 at 15:48
HT
should be two up.
must keep the ball on the deck
Fergie sort it out.
COME ON UNITED!!!
September 26th, 2009 at 15:52
anyone have a good live stream pleeeeeeease
September 26th, 2009 at 15:53
hardly a memorable game thus far… Valencia should have scored and I’m dissapointed in Nani… yes he has potential but his vision and awarness or lack of seems to be the weak link today. At this moment, he just simply isnt Manchester United class
September 26th, 2009 at 15:55
@ Nafrooy
I’m using footyonline.tv (£20 for the season and broadcast quality)
otherwise try iraqgoals.net
September 26th, 2009 at 15:58
Things are going okay although I think players just need that extra 1% and we’ll score. Really hope we can win this game as Stoke away is a good 3 points to get (and Chelsea are losing atm!)
Nani needs to sort his head out a bit as he’s seeing a lot of the ball but wastes it far too often! I don’t doubt his current ability and potential but he’s so frustrating to watch!
Anyone else think it might be good to bring Mickey on for Berba? I just get the feeling he’d do well in this game.
September 26th, 2009 at 15:58
@Lars: Nani’s probably been our best player on the pitch so far, in terms of contribution.
Stoke are just pathetic!
Parking the bus, at home for pete’s sake!! 
I reckon we would see giggs on for valencia at some stage in the second half. We need his vision as all valencia can do is push and run with the ball; pretty useless when he is not afforded space or even a counter attack. That guy needs to loosen his butt cheeks and play his natural game; i’m sure he’s more capable of doing more than he is showing at the moment.
United for a 3-0 win… Rooney, Berba and some other scorer!!
September 26th, 2009 at 16:00
@Nafooy: The first link on Redlog.pl (Wideo…) works so-so for me.
Is anyone frustrated with Valencia and Nani? Valencia seems to slow us down every time he has the ball by stopping while Nani is very selfish (albeit tracking back well).
I would like both to stay on and maybe ask Scholes to move up further to provide us with an AMF or sub Scholes for Anderson.
But we are waisting the chance to go ahead too often… lets stop showing mercy and rip them next half.
NB! Chelsea is losing to Wigan right now, so knock on wood, cross your fingers, pray to your God(s) that Wigan can keep their lead until 95th minute!
September 26th, 2009 at 16:00
@Nafooy: http://www.magedtv.net/ch1.html
September 26th, 2009 at 16:01
Sigh, that was a quick half. Kinda feel like we could have 120 minutes more and not score against them. Have to give some credit to that. Have to hope our defense stays focused, because they’re going to have sweet f*ck all to do, but I gurantee Stoke will get at least one good chance. And if we go behind can you really see anything happening?
Valenica’s miss was critical. If we go up then it opens the game, and we can actually play football. Very poor shot from him. Nani has been lively but utterly useless. How hard is it to understand. NO FLOATY CROSSES. The other team are big, we’re little. So keep it along the ground you numpty!
I can’t tell who has less intelligence, Valencia or Nani. Is it something about wingers?
September 26th, 2009 at 16:02
COME ON UNITED!!
September 26th, 2009 at 16:04
Let’s go boys!!!!
September 26th, 2009 at 16:06
Thanks guys
September 26th, 2009 at 16:07
As an aside. That Torres chap is rather good.
September 26th, 2009 at 16:19
I know Nani has been rubbish, but I worry we’re going to be low energy with Giggsy on. He doesn’t hassle the RB the way Nani does. Should be interesting.
September 26th, 2009 at 16:20
BERBATOV!
September 26th, 2009 at 16:20
I Heart GIGGS!
September 26th, 2009 at 16:21
Apologies to Berba for ever doubting you! GIGGS IS A LEG END!
September 26th, 2009 at 16:21
BERBATOV!!!!!
Wonderful play by Giggs!! 
Nani, see how it’s done lad!! 
September 26th, 2009 at 16:21
BERRRBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!
YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES!!!!!
September 26th, 2009 at 16:22
Jesus, just what words can be use to describe giggs, quite unbelieveable, on for a few mins and he sets up a goal. Seriously the guy just looks like he can keep going on and on, excellent ball for berbatov who for me has also looked useful today. Well done lads.
September 26th, 2009 at 16:22
Please for the love of god substitute Scholes.
September 26th, 2009 at 16:22
@Beachryan: No, he doesn’t need to hassle, he just outsmarts the guy
… dude, talk about foot in mouth 
September 26th, 2009 at 16:22
as an aside, Wigan leading chelsea 2-1, Cech red carded!
September 26th, 2009 at 16:23
Beachryan don’t doubt Giggs!
September 26th, 2009 at 16:23
@Lars: Cech! NICE!
Anderson ON Scholes OFF, please!
September 26th, 2009 at 16:24
wow how i hope fergie takes scholesy off ASAP. hes certain for a red now like
September 26th, 2009 at 16:24
somebody get scholsey off
September 26th, 2009 at 16:30
Scholes’ tackling remains ridiculous, but otherwise he’s playing very well. Stoke is exactly the type of team that he should be playing against.
September 26th, 2009 at 16:31
Um, am I the only one praying for Anderson on for Scholes? I know I’m not a coach or anything, but come on, energy, pace, the ability to tackle… ?
September 26th, 2009 at 16:32
oh, so stoke now know how to play football, eh? only attack when ur losing?!!? what kind of mentality is that?? after a year of losing with such tactics, u would think they would wise up and attack at home from the beginning, with their fans behind them spurring them on
September 26th, 2009 at 16:35
O’Shea scores in the land of the giants!
September 26th, 2009 at 16:36
Ryan Giggs is ****ing ridiculous… 2 games 5 assists is that right?
September 26th, 2009 at 16:36
Ryan Giggs – the new Ronaldo!!!
what an impact! 2 assists already
September 26th, 2009 at 16:36
I Heart GIGGSx2!
September 26th, 2009 at 16:38
nooooo!!! my link is ’bout 2mins slow!!!
September 26th, 2009 at 16:38
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSS!
JOHN O SHEA!!!
AHT A CROSS FROM GIGGSY!!!!!
September 26th, 2009 at 16:39
Ooooooo Giggsy.
September 26th, 2009 at 16:39
Mickey to score 2!
September 26th, 2009 at 16:39
Giggsy u legend!!!
Now, for rooney’s goal to complete my prediction!! C’mon lads, let’s do this !! 
September 26th, 2009 at 16:45
Scholes pass to Giggs was sooo class!
Too bad he missed!
September 26th, 2009 at 16:45
Rooney is off for Owen Gabriel
September 26th, 2009 at 16:49
@RM: I know… at least he didn’t throw a strop this time
September 26th, 2009 at 16:52
jeez, what is with vidic and his aimless punts upfield?? If he was half good at it, it would be okay, but he’s crap at it
pass the ball on the floor mate, u ain’t no beckenbaur 
September 26th, 2009 at 16:54
2-0 F.T. : Dissatisfied .. Boring..
September 26th, 2009 at 16:54
FT
Fergie sorted it out.
Ryan Giggs amazing
Berba got a goal
Chelsea are down by two.
September 26th, 2009 at 16:55
chelski loose 3-1 to wigan !!!!
September 26th, 2009 at 16:56
Valencia “S U C K S”
September 26th, 2009 at 16:56
Wigan 3-1!!
September 26th, 2009 at 16:58
@Merlinus: what game were you watching?
September 26th, 2009 at 17:01
Chelsea FALL! 3-1!
September 26th, 2009 at 17:01
@Merlinus: @Merlinus: nice comments there mate
We just won a tough fixture away from home, kept a clean sheet with giggs providing two lovely assists and all you can come up with is those two comments 
Btw, is it true giggsy does yoga and is on a strictly fish diet?? I must get on that, would love to be as fit as he is when I’m that age.
September 26th, 2009 at 17:03
This is perfect! I thought United played really well and all we were missing before the goals was GIGGS. But even when Nani was on we controlled the game well and it always looks like United would be the winners.
TOP OF LEAGUE!
September 26th, 2009 at 17:03
I cannot believe it. Both times my streams go down, we score a goal… now I have to find the highlights to see them. Ridiculous. On the other hand I love that Chelsea lost 1-3!!! Anyone know what the goal difference looks like?
September 26th, 2009 at 17:04
@Traverse: While I would not say SUCKS, he does not provide crosses of enough quality to put pressure on defenses and he tends to slow down our attacks by playing stop-and-go. He is indeed frustrating, but I will blame his 1st season with us as the cause for this lack of quality/chance-creation. I would also like him to shoot once in a while. He is still a good potential but has to yet convince me of a starting 11 spot.
September 26th, 2009 at 17:06
@TurkishRED: I love that you are complaining about free & illegal streams
September 26th, 2009 at 17:07
We have +11 GD and Chelsea are on +10 so we are TOP OF THE LEAGUE!
September 26th, 2009 at 17:08
Good game, we controlled the game for 90 minutes, created many chances, scored twice,
ASIDE: I just saw Valencia miss his one-on-one!!!!!!!!!!! I missed the first 10 mins of the game but that is frustrating.
I am happy!
September 26th, 2009 at 17:08
Very efficient performance. Patient display and we thoroughly ran them off the park. A deserved win but we need to get the lead in games sooner. I hate watching us dominate a game and create so few chances in the first 60 minutes. Scholes was good today but I have to say Nani was disappointing (sorry Craig) and Valencia for me is a supreme waste of money that could have gone to buy a truly world class player. I knew last year that we were scrounging in somebody’s garbage when we were showing interest in players from Wigan.
Ryan Giggs is a special gift from the footy gods. The man is timeless and he continually plays games and shows all how it is done. Yet Nani and Valencia do not seem to learn how the simplicity and vision of the man is what makes him succeed.
Nice to see Berba get a goal but then again, Giggs great feed and Fletcher’s great pas to find Giggs made that as easy a goal as Berba will ever score. Other than that he was fairly invisible for me and he needs to get more chances in a game. Rooney looked tired today and it was smart decision by Fergie to take him off with the big match with Wolfsburg in midweek.
Certainly far from exciting, but a very professional and efficient display on the road against a team that are very good at home. And Chelsea did us a big favor today.
September 26th, 2009 at 17:12
@Grognard: So Grognard… how is your prediction of us finishing 4th-7th? I know season is only about 20% done but we are looking like champion-material. Barring injury to Rooney, I think we have every reason to be in the top 2 battling for the league come April.
Do you still stand by your comment earlier in the season/pre-season?
September 26th, 2009 at 17:19
@[OPTI]Madschester United: You know that the ESPN I paid for cut out on me as well during EURO 2008 during the TUR-GER game… Setanta is really expensive over here.
September 26th, 2009 at 17:23
@Merlinus: He was far better then the twat on the other wing!
September 26th, 2009 at 17:25
@TurkishRED: You live in Turkey? Setanta is about $15 extra per month if you have satellite in the US. I had satellite last year and I lost 15 minutes of the second half of the 5-2 United-Tottenham game (when we were behind) — I understand your frustration with the streams but there are so many streams out at any time that I always have a back-up stream if/when anything happens.
iraqgoals.net
myP2P.eu
redlog.pl
are some of the best I know of.
September 26th, 2009 at 17:25
Oh, and foster was shite!
September 26th, 2009 at 17:26
a soild preformance today. a 2-0 win away, just how it should be. And to make the day perfect chelsea lost. I know its early, but i wonder if we actually could make it 4 in row. That would just be amazing.
ps. watching ronaldo play for real mardid hurts..
September 26th, 2009 at 17:28
@[OPTI]Madschester United: No I know all of the sites but it is really my lack of RAM I have to blame for the most part.
September 26th, 2009 at 17:28
@Grognard: I seem to remember you backing the Valencia deal… Don’t give up on him yet
September 26th, 2009 at 17:38
@[OPTI]Madschester United: It is a long season and we need to see how well Giggs and Scholes hold up. Injuries are the key. If our forwards stay healthy we should contend but then again, I still feel we are lacking that flair up front and the security of a great keeper. EVDS is returning so that should be fine but where is that flair we need? If we are to count on the sublime abilities of a 36 year old winger to create most of our forwards chances, then I still think we are in trouble. I would love to see Fergie go for David Silva in January. We need that creative and attacking option in the midfield.
So far three players are the reason why we are in first place. Darren Fletcher has been immense as has Ryan Giggs and Wayne Rooney. Others have contributed like Michael Owen and Pat Evra but the remaining players have all be ordinary, underwhelming or plain poor. Still, we are in first because of those three main contributors who have frankly been outstanding. I am amazed at how far Fletcher has come. Before the year started I and many others were upset with Fergie that he wasn’t going after a proven quality DMF like Melo or De Rossi. I don’t think anybody is complaining now. And to be honest, I wouldn’t presently take any DMF on the planet over Fletcher except perhaps Essien and……Hargreaves. Which reminds me that Hargo will be returning soon. That just adds to our comfort zone there.
Right now I think our biggest problem is that we seem to do very little offensively unless Ryan Giggs is on the field. At 36 he has become the most indispensable player on the pitch for us. Without him pulling the strings offensively we look anemic and clueless. I love Nani but his recent performances have left me cold and Valencia has been terrible throughout the season. So what do we do if Giggs slows down from fatigue or gets injured? It’s not right that a team like ours should rely on old men like Giggs and Scholes and even EVDS to stay at the top. Their replacements are simply not cutting it. Carrick has been a washout this season so Scholes plays, Anderson has been a washout too. Foster has not given me any belief that we will be fine without EVDS for an extended time and Neither Nani or Valencia have taken their opportunity and gone with it, thus forcing Fergie to overuse Giggsy. These concerns are valid ones and they still will pay a major role in where we finish. It’s easy to get optimistic this early in the season but so far our schedule has been very easy (remember our two biggest games were still at home, unlike last years schedule which was murder in the first half). So I will refrain from jumping on the bandwagon quite yet. There is a long way to go and a lot of things will happen before the season is over. Here’s keeping our fingers crossed.
September 26th, 2009 at 17:39
Told you!
September 26th, 2009 at 17:44
@Dan: Like he had anything to do all game. Sometimes your defense of this player borders on fanatical obsession. Where were you after he stunk up the joint last weekend? Hiding in your closet? He keeps the easiest clean sheet of the year today and Dan comes out to make his sarcastic comment as to convey that Foster was great. He should have brought out a patio table and few chairs and invited a few of us onto the pitch for some tea based on the amount of trouble and concern that he had to deal with in this game.
Foster is a total slug and as useless a keeper as has ever played at this level. Once EVDS returns I seriously doubt you will see him again other than the remaining Carling Cup games this season. Fergie is not an idiot.
September 26th, 2009 at 17:47
@Grognard: I understand your concern. But I think Carrick, Anderson, and and Nani/Valencia will only improve as the season goes on (especially carrick and Valencia).
September 26th, 2009 at 17:47
@Dan: Indeed!
September 26th, 2009 at 17:48
@Johnsom33: I di d back it as I was hoping we were going to get a decent winger who could cross balls in and beat defenders with pace out wide. He has done none of this and if anything, he slows us down as wingers go. But today Nani really got on my nerves. He had poor old Robert Huth playing out on the right side with one yellow card and he never took a run at him to try to get that red card or to make him nervous. Huth is a big boy and not a RB and yet Nani let him off the hook. Also, his decision making once again just left me cold. This lad has so much raw talent but he truly does have a ten cent head. As for Valencia, he’s just a colossal bore to be honest. I cannot believe that United’s winger situation has become so sad and uninspiring.
September 26th, 2009 at 17:48
Did anyone see Manone’s double save against Fulham!
Wow! Foster should be watching!
September 26th, 2009 at 17:50
@Grognard: I have the money collected and in my wallet… Those damn Ipod Touches are talking a year to get here in pakitan!
September 26th, 2009 at 17:53
@[OPTI]Madschester United: Oh come on mate. What have you seen form any of them over the past three years that makes you believe that all of a sudden form nothing some imaginary red button is pushed and they all of a sudden they become transformers and turn into dangerous footballers? It’s just not going to happen. Carrick is dead in the heart. The guy has always played his games at half speed and with very little desire. Nani has all the skill but continues to lag behind because he just does not make good decisions on the field. Valencia is showing to be a royal bust as he shows very little skill on the ball and his lack of pace (for a winger is shocking) and aggressiveness is alarming. Anderson is Anderson. Still the most overrated and most ordinary player on our team. Every time you think he is about to break through, he regresses in the next game and brings us back to the starting point again. I’m just tired of this batch of underachievers to be honest. It’s time for some of them or all of them to go elsewhere and some fresh blood brought in who can do the job.
September 26th, 2009 at 17:56
@Darth Red Diablo: They were completely sold out here in Vancouver too except for two locations, the Apple Stores. Yet another intentional marketing move for Apple to make sure their own stores make plenty of sales before the rest of the independent stores out there cash in. It makes Apple way more money this way. The iPOD Touch is awesome. Yet another reason why Apple is my favorite company on the planet and the maker of the greatest toys in the world.
September 26th, 2009 at 18:02
@Grognard: Carrick at his best a very good midfielder – Roma 7-1?? Valencia, I will give him the patience I gave Ronaldo (1 season). Nani at his best is very good too. I believe Nani has what it takes to become world class — and that is why Fergie is using him so much this season.
I agree Anderson has been below average for a long time — pretty much since he routed Fabregas and Gerrard in his first season.
September 26th, 2009 at 18:08
Fulham 0 – Manone 2. Manone is keeping Arsenal in game…
How much can we sell Foster for? 5 mill?
September 26th, 2009 at 18:15
It’s a sad day for United when Almunia’s back up is better than our current keeper… What the hell is a mannone?
September 26th, 2009 at 18:22
The comments on this thread just show that sometimes fans DO know more about the game than players!
The piece of play for our first goal showed exactly that. We’ve been failing with the long ball in for 60 minutes, and the first through ball at the strikers feet basically yielded a goal.
On to the match ratings..
Foster: 7.5
Despite not having a single shot on goal to save, proved that he is much better at dealing with crosses and aerial threat than Kuszazck will ever be. He also benefited from a focused defensive central pairing today.
O’shea – 7.5
Good goal. Not much else to say reallym, considering Stoke were hardly attacking his wing.
Ferdinand – 7.5
Much better from Rio. No nonsense defending and clearances, that’s the way to do it.
Vidic – 7.5
Same as Rio.
Evra – 7.5
Our best defender in those early days – shame that the Nani-Evra overlaps was not as efficient as it usually is.
Valencia – 6
His worst display for us to this day. He’s capable of much better than what he showed today, but he does seem to be limited to his “get on the byline and cross the ball high” routine. This routine showed its limitations when faced with a team of giants like Stoke. Showed learn how to cut inside, play a low ball, 1-2’s, etc…
Fletcher – 7.5
A slightly underwhelming performance by the football genius, but he still delivered the pass of the game when he found Giggs who in turn set up Berbatov.
Scholes – 7
Same old Scholes, competent in the middle of the park, except when it comes to tackling. Like most people, I was praying for him to get subbed off as early as 50 minutes.
Nani – 7
This year there has been a real improvement from Nani in terms of commitment and effort. He no longer goes missing in games it seems. But this highlights even more his decision making, which more often than not is truly shocking. If he can get this aspect of his game right, he’ll be one of our 4 best players. But up till now, he just have to learn from the old master…
Rooney – 7.5
A novelty in that he didn’t score! But was well involved, if a bit frustrated by the lack of good delivery from his midfield. Did not have his shooting boots on.
Berbatov – 7.25
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Disappointing but for his goal. He played much better games up till now where he didn’t score (and was slated by the detractors for it!
Still the goal will give him some much needed confidence. Also, like Rooney he could/would have done much better if he received the ball at his feet, but the midfield was stubborn in wanting to playing the long ball.
Subs:
Giggs – 8.5 (MOTM)
Showed Nani how its done with two simple assists. Tremendous awareness and should have scored another too!
Carrick – N/A
Too little time or any judgement.
Owen – N/A
Same as above.
SAF – 6.5
Good substitution to bring on Giggs, and did the right thing to stick with Foster, who will always be better than Kuzsazck at dealing with crosses.
But poor from him not to rectify the game plan after it was clear that the high ball was troubling Stoke very little. Was also playing with fire by allowing Scholes to stay on the pitch when he could have got sent off for just another foul.
But all in all a good day at the office.
September 26th, 2009 at 18:27
@[OPTI]Madschester United: Its not just saves that make a goalie, if it was the case Kuzsazck would have been aour uncontedsted no.1.
Its also a matter of awareness, dealing with crosses, calming his defenders, ball playing, distribution, efficiency on set pieces…
I’m not watching the arsenal game, so Mannone may be doing very well for all I know, but random generalisations like that only feed irrational hate towards our own players.
September 26th, 2009 at 18:35
@NicoQB: I am not feeding irration hate towards anyone let alone Foster. But even based on your qualities of a good goal-keeper, I find Foster falls WAY short of good. Of course, keepers are paid to make saves as well
You gave him a 7.5 but said he did not have to make a save as the CBs took care of anything coming his way?? Foster should be given the base rating for being on the field and keeping a clean sheet.
September 26th, 2009 at 18:36
@[OPTI]Madschester United:
@Johnsom33:
That was the last straw. None of you know shit all about what your talking about, foster has done a lot more then mannone and the two of you have the audacity to say hes better after one save?
Ive never seen something so pathetic. Never.
@Grognard: Had it been a german keeper it would have been “x” keeping concentration for the entire game and was decisive in what ever he had to do, more then we could say about foster.
THe foster hate on this site is mindless and pathetic at the least. Have your opinions, fine, but to call some rookie who has been shite for arsenal up until this current game, that pull off 1 bloody save better then foster is just pure fanboy hate.
Fuck sake.
September 26th, 2009 at 18:38
The gospel according to Scott the Red…
Read it and shut it!!!
September 26th, 2009 at 18:44
@[OPTI]Madschester United: I gave him a 7.5 rating as several times he came out and dealt very well with Stoke’s aerial bombardment. He controlled his box, in a way. Kuzsazck, from what I know of him, would have gotten jelly knees if he were to deal with them crosses.
An also, his distribution and kicking was ok today.
September 26th, 2009 at 18:49
@NicoQB: The reason for Howard to leave was his knack for making bloopers when the pressure was above normal. This cost us greatly. I think Foster is in the same boat as Howard, good keeper who make far too many mistakes (especially when the game is important).
I think Foster makes a good back-up goalkeeper but that is all you can sell me on Foster. Nonetheless, I respect your opinion and hope Foster improves and becomes england #1 keeper as soon as possible, because he deserves some good news after recovering from his injuries in the past years and his loyalty to United!
September 26th, 2009 at 18:54
@Dan: At least Foster looks better than Mannone
September 26th, 2009 at 18:55
@[OPTI]Madschester United: Foster is nowhere close to Howard. He is miles behind the American.
September 26th, 2009 at 18:58
@Dan: Get over it, foster redefines the word shite. You keep banging on about giving foster a chance, but you haven’t given one good reason why he deserves a chance. You just jeep babbling on about how we are too hard on him.
September 26th, 2009 at 19:16
@Johnsom33: You yourself said you know shit all about keepers. What makes you more right then me? NOTHING!
Jog on.
September 26th, 2009 at 19:22
@[OPTI]Madschester United: My God is that all we have become as fans is sad and pathetic dreamers that constantly have to bring up the 7-1 Roma game in order to make any point we have? So Carrick had a good game, so what? Carrick has had a handful of outstanding games for us. But over four seasons that has not amounted to a hill of beans in my books. He is a good midfielder, no argument there, but is that what we want on our team, just a good midfielder. Watch Fletcher and then compare the effort, the work rate and even the offensive contributions of the two. While Carrick is supposedly the one blessed with that attacking skill, it is Fletcher who seems to deliver the long dissecting pass or who scores the all important goals. I’m sorry but ordinary and bland does not cut it for me. I want a player with dynamic skill, energy and vision to partner Fletcher in the middle. Not somebody who looks half asleep and who seems to be going through the motions. There is a reason Carrick has found himself on the bench. Fergie may not be as quick as me to recognize mediocrity but he eventually gets it. He got it with Tevez, he has gotten it with Nani, he gets it with Foster and he has finally gotten it with with Carrick. When you begin to ride the bench after being a sure fire starter for three seasons, that is a serious message to either start performing or else. Even that has failed to wake Carrick up from his slumber. He’s a lead foot who is even slower upstairs in terms of getting a hint.
And as fans we have to stop expecting a player to wake up just because he had a great game against Roma three years ago. Give Roma half the credit for making him look so good on the night. The fact is he is a good player who is very ordinary for us and who has finally been supplanted in the starting eleven by Fletcher who works hard but who also seems to get more out of his skill set because he has the energy and drive and ambition to try. Carrick has never had the drive or ambition. He just likes to come along for the ride.
September 26th, 2009 at 19:27
@NicoQB: It’s pretty easy to handle crosses in the box when nobody is competing with you for them. Stoke never showed up in the box all day and you give him 7.5? Ridiculous. Save 7.5 for somebody who actually did something. He is a 6.0 and nothing more. 6 is not a failure, it’s a pass and it signifies not having done much to warrant a rating.
And finally, a 7 for Nani? You have got to be kidding. I love Nani but he had a poor game and made poor decision after poor decision. It’s no wonder that we scored two goals once Giggs showed up. Nani was 5 today and he gets that high a grade only because I like him.
September 26th, 2009 at 19:34
@Dan: I seem to recall that I said most on this site know shit all about keepers. You just keeping on praising foster only strengthens my point.
Let it go buddy, he sucks.
September 26th, 2009 at 19:34
2 Things….
1. Funny how Berbatov celebrated…. He was like… Giggs is the man not me…. Especially considering how scored from a tap in!
2. On another side note… Pakistan are really turning on the show against India!
September 26th, 2009 at 19:44
@Dan: Grow up. I am sick and fucking tired of the bias and race card you constantly throw in my direction when it comes to German keepers. It’s not my fault they are excellent at what they do and that Foster is a useless fucking muppet that needs assistance to put his underwear on. Your defense of this player is borderline ludicrous and childish because you have absolutely nothing concrete to defend him with yet you continue to insult others like myself for stating the obvious.
Grow up and deal with it. You only make yourself out to be an obsessive groupie who hangs around the reserves and believes that each and every one of them deserves to be in the main squad and starting. I’d say go get a job as a scout since you get wood from watching young players, but the fact remains that you are not a good judge of talent when it comes to goalkeepers. In fact you are clueless. Harsh I know and I’m sorry for being this hard on you Dan but somebody has to shut you up when it comes to this obsessive need to defend a terrible player by putting all of us down for knowing seeing and recognizing the obvious.
What do you think you are some blessed soul and talent guru that sees beyond the obvious and we are totally deluded individuals blinded by the fact we don’t have your range of imaginary vision? When it comes to keepers you couldn’t spot talent yet alone spell the word. The truth hurts but it has to come out because I for one am sick and fucking tired of you constantly throwing the German thing in my face while never actually giving me the credit for being correct and for knowing a Hell of a lot more about the art of goalkeeping than you. Your views are your views and we don’t have to like them but up to now we have tolerated them. It was your lack of tolerance towards us and the truth that forces me to be this rude and this tough on you.
Hopefully you will take this as constructive criticism and learn from it rather than the expected explosion and reply over your bruised ego. Honestly mate, your Foster love-in has become sad, pathetic, silly, stupid and just a little weird. Had you been gushing over one of the twins or Gibson or Welbeck or Macheda I could understand it. But fucking Ben Foster? God give me the strength to tolerate such forlorn optimism.
September 26th, 2009 at 19:51
@Grognard: Hahaha stop, I’m crying right now. Dan has suffered enough abuse.
September 26th, 2009 at 19:56
@NicoQB: Scott the Red can kiss my behind. Fact! Tim Howard at his very worst was ten times a better keeper than the totally inept Foster. He had his issues but technically he was a much more proficient keeper. Also, we are Manchester United, kings of Europe and England. W e spend all season fighting for trophies and for bragging rights. We are not some middle of the road sad sack brigade like Everton who out of desperation and lack of cash settle on a keeper and are patient enough to wait out his maturation into a competent keeper. United hasn’t got the time or that kind of luxury. Our keepers need to show their ability and show it now. We are three times running defending champions of England. We have the likes of Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal constantly chasing us for the crown and you and Scott the Red Dead Head seem to think we have three years available as a building time for Ben Foster to mature and hopefully exorcize the ineptitude in his game? Wake the Hell up and join the the reality of what is, not what thankfully isn’t. We are champions and contenders, not patient pretenders. If you like Scott or Dan get off waiting for talent to mature, I suggest you become fans of smaller clubs where you can fully expect mediocrity to be given a shot to win a job. At United, we do not tolerate mediocrity for long.
September 26th, 2009 at 19:58
@Johnsom33: Dan brings it on himself with some of his ridiculously loyal notions and beliefs. I still love him though. He’s an acquired taste like I am, but the fact is, that if he is wrong, he is going to have to fess up to it while I’m around. And he’s wrong wrong wrong about Ben Foster.
September 26th, 2009 at 20:04
@Grognard: I agree, 6 means having done nothing worthy of note in the game. If Foster did absolutely nothing, without conceding, then he would have got a 6. But he dominated the aerial balls sent in – once again it may have looked easy, but Stoke are the tallest teams in the league according to stats, and he dealt moderately well with back passes. Worth an extra point at least.
About Nani, I also agree that his delivery was really poor, but that should be mitigated with the fact that he was clearly our most active player while he was on the pitch, the one causing Stoke most problems. Compare that to a Valencia who was strangely uninvolved, imho.
@Johnsom33: Until the jury is truly out on Foster, just bcause you or Grognard says he sucks doesn’t mean it is really the case.
As for me I’m with Scott the Red, I don’t think he’s world class, but he’s nowhere near being as bad as some paint him to be. But what really irks me is because his detractors think he’s not good enough by repeatedly commenting on how bad he supposedly is; the uninformed, unopinionated newbies on a footballing site will flock like sheep around those boisterous commentors, without giving him due time to prove himself.
September 26th, 2009 at 20:28
@Grognard: I’m not asking for three years. One season, heck, even 6 months of regular playing time should give
usthe staff at United ample enough time to make a sound judgement.Anyway you’re always one for making use of overstating, grand statements (which can be very pleasing to the ear for the neophyte) instead of reasonable, thoughtful and unhurried observations.
By your trend of thought Evra would have already been disposed of, when right now he’s showing a clear return to form.
September 26th, 2009 at 20:30
i could almost feel my heart in my throat everytime Foster had to clear the ball…he had nothing to do all day and time will tell if he has a future with us(Fergie’s will be done) but Nani was disappointing and i cant blame the lad entirely, his displays show a pattern..give a few games under his belt and he will start to shine but drop him and all goes bonkers..he was on form and Fergie tosses him for either Valencia(another disappointment)and in favor of Park(who at this point is here for nothing but shirt sales)…its at this juncture the assistant manager has to shine like Queiroz did with Ronaldo (and Nani) in the 07-08 season where you could see clearly his influence on Ronnie and Nani(who racked a neat amount of assists that very season)..since Mike Phelan all we have seen are tactical conundrum by Fergie and our non-European contingent take a turn for the worst of late
September 26th, 2009 at 20:34
@NicoQB: Thats what pisses me off to the max as well. The fucking mindless sheep.
September 26th, 2009 at 20:46
@Grognard: I didnt care much for the rest of that post, it was basically im stupid for believing in foster, but what got me was this line:
“What do you think you are some blessed soul and talent guru that sees beyond the obvious and we are totally deluded individuals”
Pot.Kettle.Black is all i have to say.
Its not even like i think foster is the next coming of schmeical, it just pisses me off how people mindlessly label him shit when they have admitted themselves they know shit all about keepers.
September 26th, 2009 at 20:52
@RMJ: I agree that Nani deserves playing time because we know what he is capable of. I think you are right about us missing Queroz.
@NicoQB: The Evra argument is interesting, except, we all knew how awesome Evra was before his slump. Foster has NEVER shown good form for this team – in fact, he nearly cost us City, Charity Shield games and this is JUST in the first 8 games of the season (incl. CS).
Yours and @Dan’s support of foster has no relation to his ability on the field because we have not seen anything warranting such praise. You support him because you believe in him and only BELIEVE. I hope he does well from now on or he will be benched when EVDS is back fighting for 2nd spot with Kuschaxscz
Dream on guys, Foster has to improve A LOT to stay with United!
September 26th, 2009 at 20:58
@[OPTI]Madschester United: Short term memory, aint it a bitch.
His bloody debut for us was immense, his carling cup final was immense, and he has been immense for us at parts of this season, but blinded and mindless fans dont bother praising him for this.
September 26th, 2009 at 21:06
Snort!!!
September 26th, 2009 at 21:18
Nice steady result for the lads today- not all games like last weeks can be epicly exciting!!
Valencia performance disgusted me today though to honest…Lik Grognrad i was pissed off that we were chasing a second rate player, especially when thery were other options.BTw if i were buying ronALdos replacement i would have got Renato Augusto @ B.Leverkusen. Quality player.
As it happens though iv been quite happy with his performances so far this season. He certainly is fast, direct and powerful(@ times) unfortunately though his “footballing repetois” frankly sucks ass. the same obvious faint to the outside every fuckin’ time!! so very predictable. Honestly though, deep down i think he’l turn out 2b a very very good player. At large his crossing also looks quite accurate &dangerous to me. It just annoys me though that AGAIN weve bought an underdeveloped player,. Hes by no means the finished article yet, very unexperienced. Dont quite no why we cant just go sign an estalished player!??
THought we should have taken Valencia off for giggs n played Nani on the right wing. Unfortunately his was also an under par performance this afternoon. Il love the kid 4 life but he’s gotta get a grip of himself! so talented but his indecision / bad dm is devastating his game!he definitely needs to get into more dangerous positions for starters.With that crackin shot oin him, i w ant to see him shootin 3,4,5 times a match..! thats what will help make him a good player! ronaldo proved that single handedly. if he can do that he’l be a serious threat. Really think we should all be patient with him…im certain he will come very good for us his season.
APart from the goal, i thought Berbs performance also STANK today. his lack of pace and again , inability to get into threatning, goal scoring positions (in the box!)! He also has no pace or strength whatsoever which definitely doesnt help his cause. Today showed, as have plenty other matches, that he is practicaly useless against big strong defenders/ players! If he had real speed like Torres, he could get away with it but when u comnbine the two cons together its simply not an ideal situation. i see that he has more to his game etc etc but until he starts imposing himself on games consistantly i wont be his biggest fan!!…..why doesnt he take strikes at goal? why does he never really look like scoring!??!!?!
Im very happy and hopefull that this lad Diouf is the real deal as were desperately needing some TRUE Speed and power up front. I was watching vid on youtube of all Saha’s goals for us. hes exactly the type of striker this squad is missing. it will complete the squad completely in my opinion…………Soory, thers still room for a certain Mr Marek Hamsik!!!
…Most importantly though……..WELL DONE LADS- TOP OF THE LEAGUE ALREADY and looking great overall!
September 26th, 2009 at 21:19
Hahaha!
Craig is having a field day over at ROM. He’s basically argueing against a whole tidal wave of Nani haters!!!
September 26th, 2009 at 22:38
@Dan: First off all, if your gonna slag me off, atleast address me. Second, you have yet to show you know 1 thing about Keepers. Saying “give him a chance” yet you never explain why we should give him q chance further illustrates my point. You don’t know what the fuck your talking about.
So please start giving us some valid reason for your blind fanboy support if foster, or stop running your mouth.
September 26th, 2009 at 23:15
@Dan: Dan, agree with johnsom and grognard. you have got to give reasons for your blind faith in Foster. Any United level GK who raises everyone blood pressure everytime a back pass is made to him or a cross comes in, should not be in the team. There might be occasions when he is looks good, but overall he does not seem to bring out the confidence some other keepers bring out. He has been nervous throughout most of the games and is still a weak link susceptible to breaking any moment during the game. he needs to exude confidence. but again between pig and him, i would still choose foster, if thats any compliment.
September 26th, 2009 at 23:22
@NicoQB: If I’m Fergie I tell you that 6 months is more time than I can offer. Why? Because we set goals at this team that we want a shot at achieving. Also, I am a year or two from retirement. I am not going to sacrifice my chances of winning another one or two EPL titles and European Cup just so that I can give Foster a fair shake. If Foster wants to play every game then Fergie should accommodate him. Yes, he should loan him out or sell him back to Watford. I’m sure he will start for them. Hey, I didn’t say life was fair. I do know this however, I have had some very intense high pressure jobs in my day and if I was expected to take six months or a year to get comfortable in those positions, I wouldn’t have been hired in the first place. You either perform now or you go elsewhere is what my bosses would have said to me. And so I performed. Now I am being asked to be patient for an underachieving semi talented goalkeeper who is trying his damnedest to drag my team down? Hell no, I don’t think so.
September 26th, 2009 at 23:33
@Johnsom33:
Well, he has excellent reflexes, outstanding actually. He is confident, admittedly to confident at times like at city. He has excellent kicking ability, but lately has been afraid to use it, and i think thats down to the managers orders. Although this can be inconsistent, he can be excellent distributing the ball. When he wants to be he is excellent coming out and taking crosses, as seen today.He has excellent aerial ability.
Now unlike you i can see both sides of the lake.
I know he hasnt got good anticipation and at times poor decision making. He hasnt got a command of the area either. Because of his inconsistent decision making, he’ll make gaffes. His concentration is inconsistent as well, and i think that ties into his confidence.
Now how about you take your own advice and instead of agreeing with grognard, tell me why foster is a bad keeper. Try to use your own points instead of recycling old used ones.
September 26th, 2009 at 23:40
@Dan: Well I am not them mate. I know plenty about keepers. In fact I am bold enough to say that I could qualify as a scout when it comes to keepers. It’s the one position in football I have diligently studied for years and years. I have watched, observed and read numerous books on the subject simply because the position interests me and because I was blessed at a young age of getting to see a couple of greats do their thing and really spark my interest. And you Dan no sweet fuck all about keepers. Sorry mate but that’s the truth. I don’t say that to you about other positions as I’m sure you are much more in tune with what it takes to be a good defensive midfielder. But as for keepers, I stand tall and will fight for my knowledge and experience on the topic. As arrogant as it may sound, nobody and I mean nobody on this blog knows better about the skills and demands of the goalkeeping position. You can believe or not, it’s not important to me. What is important to me though is that people who know fuck all about what makes a good goalkeeper shut up finally and give us all a little peace. Ben Foster is a useless a keeper as has ever existed in the Prem. You don’t want to accept that, fine, just know that it’s fact. Your defense borders on lunacy and compulsive obsession. It’s like he is your brother or cousin and you must defend him at all costs. It’s like people trying to defend the Third Reich. They have no case but they are out there and they exist and all they come across as is sad and pathetic in their attempts.
Dan i like you, really I do. Even though we have disagreements on things I think you sound like a good hearted decent bloke that I could have a drink with and have some laughs. So forgive me for my harshness here but you need to be corrected on this matter by somebody who believes he knows what he is talking about. So you can pot kettle black me all you like, the bottom line is I know keepers and that’s that. Two years ago I was talking about Adler, Neuer, Akinfeev and Boruc when nobody knew who the Hell they were. Everyone knows now and i certainly haven’t come across as an idiot when I pegged them to be great keepers.
Fact, I was right. My track record is proven and fact, your’s has been flushed down the toilet. You have been on and on about Foster since last year and you still are on and on about him yet he has done nothing to warrant this love and loyalty. Therefore I can say one thing about all this. You are being a proud stubborn as Hell ass about this because you have ben proven wrong time and time again and you still defend him and your bad taste despite all the proof that you have erred in your judgment. So get over it mate and concede defeat for once. You can’t win them all and trust me on this, one you lost big time. When I label anyone, I never do it mindlessly. Everything I write is well thought out and i think you should start to respect me and others for that ability. The fact we don’t agree with you doesn’t make us mindless. I think you know what it makes you. So get over your finger pointing and accusations and accept that on this, you are wrong and just admit to it. Take your lumps like a man mate.
September 26th, 2009 at 23:42
@[OPTI]Madschester United: Well said and a very accurate assessment of the Ben clan. Perhaps they should open up a “Foster” home and become “Foster” parents.
September 26th, 2009 at 23:43
@Grognard: How the hell can you call foster useless and list boruc as an improvement? He’s just as if not more error prone then foster.
September 26th, 2009 at 23:43
@Dan: He has been an “immense” disappointment and an “immense” ass clown. And need I say anything about his delusional supporters. All four of them need therapy in the most urgent way.
September 26th, 2009 at 23:44
@Grognard: Oh, and for all your year of experience, book reading, and observing, you are still wrong about foster.
Shoulda bought better books methinks
September 26th, 2009 at 23:46
@NicoQB: Poor guy and his hopeless forlorn attempt to make us all join him in his Nani love orgy. Love the Craigster. Stubborn to the end. And i have a feeling if Nani continues to have more performances like today, his end will be sooner rather than later.
September 26th, 2009 at 23:54
@Dan: All he has is great reflexes. His kicking ability is a joke because his footwork and balance is all out of whack and he needs to position himself in the ideal manner to kick the ball or it’s just awful. This of course gets him in trouble like it did last weekend on the first goal. His balance and footwork when preparing for a save is horrible, his focus and concentration is not good and his weight distribution is poor which allows shots that he gets a piece of to occasionally go right through him simply because he hasn’t got his weight transfer right. His judgment for high balls in extreme traffic is horrible and he is not great at catching high balls or punching them. He is a good shot stopper when he has positioned himself right and has gotten a good jump on the ball and his reflexes are very good although he tends to go down too soon on close plays the eight yard box. And finally, his communication with his defenders is awful. Now you look at the pros and cons and tell me why you think he should be our #1 keeper. I have given you a solid review of his abilities and I seriously doubt any goalkeeper out there or any coach would disagree greatly with my assessment. So tell me then, based on all those factors why it’s so important to you to insult all of us and protect a player who clearly isn’t good enough? What is he to you Dan? He’s nothing to you so stop protecting him like he is your retarded brother or something.
September 26th, 2009 at 23:58
@Dan: Boruc is an outstanding keeper who also has a problem with concentration and focus. Last year he was going through a messy divorce and it caused his game to suffer as he made numerous mental mistakes. However, the previous years he was outstanding and he has once again regained his form. An exceptional shot stopper who has presence and intimidation qualities in the box. I have seen him play a lot of games both for Celtic and for Poland and he has always impressed me with his abilities. I especially think his performance in the 1-0 loss to Germany in the 2006 World Cup is one of the greatest performances I have seen by a keeper in such a pressure match. That game should have been 8-0. I rate him very high but in my book, he rates behind Neuer, Adler and Akinfeev amongst the best young keepers in the game.
September 27th, 2009 at 0:03
@Dan: And you are a childish brat who needs to grow up and form adult arguments rather than make snide little childish insults in order to make your defenseless case. Like I said earlier, either grow up or shut up. You can accept or decline my advice, but I will not have you insult me and mock my knowledge simply because you have none yourself. It’s petty and it’s childish. Man up and learn to take criticism when you are way out of line. Insult us back if we were only on about insulting you and your taste in players. But instead you insult us just because we insult your little Fozzy Bear. What a joke!
September 27th, 2009 at 0:10
@Dan: Ok he has good reflexes, I am not gonna dispute that. But being a GK is far more than that. You say he is confident? What games are you watching. He has zero confidence in himself, and even worst his back 4 has zero confidence in him.
I do appreciate you trying to break down his skill. I’m not taking the piss, I’m dead serious. I respect anyones opinion when it’s well thought out. Even tho we don’t see eye to eye I respect your viewpoint.
September 27th, 2009 at 1:34
@NicoQB: You thought Nani was as good as Scholes!!!
Mate, when was last time you had your eyes checked!!
September 27th, 2009 at 1:38
Who cares about Foster?? He didn’t figure one way of the other. He caught the balls he could catch and Vidic took care of the rest!!
He didn’t have a shot on goal to worry him, and was under little pressure all game long.
Nothing to report from me!!
September 27th, 2009 at 1:41
@NicoQB: 35 minutes of Giggs is worth more than Nani has achieved all year.
Another shockingly poor performance from Nani, now two in a row.
Wonder why he doesn’t get to play???
September 27th, 2009 at 2:50
Hopefully, the Foster debate is over…
… for now
September 27th, 2009 at 3:18
@Grognard: I see this kind of reaction all the time here now.
Commentators start to ally themselves to a certain player and then when that said player starts to receive deserved criticism, they cannot accept that their line of reasoning has been put into question!
It’s not just a question of hiding their blushes, but more of a stubborn belief that by persistent argument they could sway the consensus in their favor.
I think Dan and Craig are examples of this. They don’t so much try to persuade you, but use a “battering ram” technique that they think will eventually break down that door of resistance.
It’s tough to maintain a rational perspective when under assault like this, and of course, they wish that you succumb, and at least resort to the same tactics.
Stay above all this, my friend!!
September 27th, 2009 at 3:29
@Grognard: Alot of our sqaud poor performance is direct translation of the energy SAF emmits these days. He’s fostered the culture of mediocrity with often using cowardly formations and employing mediocre tactics.
September 27th, 2009 at 3:29
@Red Ranter: Yeah, and it’s now time to start the Nani one!
September 27th, 2009 at 3:35
@Roge9: Fuck-a-duck mate, we just won six in a row. Your timing for this kind of comment could be better!!
September 27th, 2009 at 3:42
@Grognard: Agreed. Valencia is one dimensional and far too predictable. Nani is caught between two minds -cementing his place in the first 11 and emulating Ronaldo- once his distribution and decision making improve he’ll become the player his potential promises. It doesn’t help that fergie rotates him (and anderson) inconsistently. Scholes is never punished for a poor performance, but these are two often benched, even after excellent games rather than demonstrate faith that they will deliver.
September 27th, 2009 at 3:48
@Redrich: Beastility is not my thing…
And we won last year, but that was the most drab season in recent memory. We’ve had some stellar performances this year, but some not-so-eyecatching ones, too. 9 games in, that shouldn’t be the tune; the problem didn’t evaporate overnight. We still lack a creative force in mid, though fletch is taking up the mantle. Our forwards could and should be more clinical; rooney can’t carry the weight alone for an entire season.
September 27th, 2009 at 4:51
@Roge9:
Always room for improvement, mate.
I would have wished that the funds from the Ronaldo sale could have been reinvested into players of like quality.
It was kind of like selling your Mercedes and buying a Hyundia with the spoils.
It still leaves a bad taste in my mouth, and I’ll use that whenever I feel United are not performing to my expectations.
But we’re in the midst of a season, and we are dealt with a squad of players that won’t change now (possible January, but I doubt it) and so, it’s really best to accept what we have and do what us United fans do best, support, support and support.
We can be critical and cynical, but as I write this we are at the top of the league and most things point toward good things.
September 27th, 2009 at 5:48
Been a very busy sporting day, watched the United-Stoke match, then some cricket and then it’s been all college football. The Texas Tech – Univ of Houston game is very compelling.
September 27th, 2009 at 5:51
@Red Ranter: Ow’d you get watch some Cricket, mate.
Love to do that here!!
September 27th, 2009 at 6:10
@Redrich: Illegal streams
September 27th, 2009 at 6:50
Germany Under 20 beat USA 3-0 yesterday. United (and German) ‘keeper Ron Robert Zieler played for Germany.
September 27th, 2009 at 7:58
@Red Ranter: Pakistan beat India!!! YAYYY!
September 27th, 2009 at 8:29
Im just sooooooo fucking loooking forward to when Foster is gonna shut all you critcisers up!
Ive got faith in the lad, and I consider him a good goalkeeper. In fact, I am gonna use him ahead of Edwin Van Der Sar in FIFA 10. That tells you how much faith I have in the lad! 
You know, the day you all realise how good Foster really is I will be a really happy bun. Because even though I am not his biggest fan, I do think he is a good player. And I stand up for the little guy. He is a class act and when he gets some experience and knows how to deal in every situation he may go on to be one of the best goalkeepers in the world. Yeah, I rate him that highly and dont care shit about what you guys think about that! 
September 27th, 2009 at 8:30
Oh, and my first FIFA 10 video is up!
Check it out and tell me what you think!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQrKWwhRj4Y
September 27th, 2009 at 11:03
@[OPTI]Madschester United: I thought he beat his man well and put in good crosses, the only thing wrong with them was the lack of anyone getting on the end of them. I put that down to a lack of attacking from deep from CM.
September 27th, 2009 at 11:14
Also, Scholes is dreadful. In his last 2 games he’s been sent off and almost sent off. Both because he can’t tackle. Carrick hasn’t been as bad as that and he’s on Fergie’s leper island!
September 27th, 2009 at 12:04
Hey, Grognard could u pls get in touch with me on sachincristianoFANish@gmail.com ?
September 27th, 2009 at 14:31
It is difficult to believe some of the bollox that gets posted on here.
There are usually a couple of players that become fashionable to slag off.
It used to be Sylvestre, then Giggs and Neville now unbelievably it’s Scholes, Foster and the perennial O’Shea.
Scholes (Tackling apart) has been excellent this season, as he was yesterday if you actually watched him play the game, instead of waiting for him to make a tackle and then posting shite.
As far as Foster is concerned, I have to fully agree with Dan (I may have to go and lie down after saying that
)
While Foster was at Watford he was bloody fantastic. Speak to any Watford supporter and they will tell you that he was their player of the season by a mile. He has only had a handful of games for us and playing for us is different to playing for Watford. He won’t be called upon as much and will need to learn to concentrate better. He will get better the more he plays.
He will be our next keeper because he has the ability. He just needs the confidence to go with it.
September 27th, 2009 at 16:59
@Redrich: Sorry mate but it really bugs me to the core of my being that Fergie continues to play this guy in goal. I am not a big Kuzczak fan but I personally feel he is a safer bet in goal until EVDS returns. Foster just gets under my collar and he makes me very nervous. I have zero faith in him to do anything good. And when he does, it absolutely shocks me. Also, call it frustration but I am fed up with the pro Foster crowd on this blog. Generally I respect everyone’s right to like and support any of our players but this group is so delusional and so patiently naive that it brings up my rage and frustration to epic levels. Lets just say I am not overly tolerant of stupidity.
September 27th, 2009 at 17:06
@Redrich: Nani is my Foster fetish. I like the lad and I so want him to do well but unlike all the Foster fetishists on this blog, I am not as patient nor am I willing to compromise the team’s season to see him come good. He needs to get his shit together and start playing with purpose and with intelligence or he will be back on the bench and he could be gone in January. In fairness to him though, there isn’t a winger right now in England that can match Giggs for class or talent. He defies age and expectations and continues to amaze. His pass into Berbatov yesterday was class but I am still salivating over his pass to Owen vs City, as well as his overall play in that game. It’s too bad that at his age, he has to be monitored carefully and not overplayed. So the club has to figure out a way to play well when he is not on the pitch.
September 27th, 2009 at 17:15
@Redrich: If the players were truly great I could say that I don’t blame them but as they have sucked supremely of late, it only makes our friends look a little foolish and obsessive. Fact is 95% of the public think Foster is a washout. So to continually sing his praises against that kind of mismatch smells of stubbornness and nothing else. Some people have a hard time admitting they are wrong. As for Nani, I think the vote is split a little closer. More like 60/40 against him. I am one who likes Nani a lot but unlike Craig, I am not willing to tolerate too many more performances like the last two he has given that have left me cold and frustrated. Like i have said many times, tons of physical talent in that boy but a ten cent head. And one cannot get around that lack of intelligence in on field decision making. Giggs has proven that the head is much more valuable than the foot. Nani should learn from him as Anderson should learn from Scholes, but in Andy and Nani you have tow of the dumbest and most stubborn players to ever come to United. Well all I can say is that as easy as they have come to United, they can easily leave United. I have to add that the lads seem committed to the club and that they love, respect and want to do well for the club, but how long can we be expected to wait for them to turn good? I hope for all our sakes that the magic button is pushed and they do a Darren Fletcher and finally just have things click.
September 27th, 2009 at 17:18
@Roge9: I’m sorry mate but that’s just not the case. Does Rooney slack off? Does Fletcher or Vidic or Giggs? Many players continue to give a 110% despite the negative tactics. It’s not all about pace, it’s about decision making and getting oneself involved in the game. Nani makes poor decisions and Anderson avoids getting involved, especially in the second half of games. Their problems have nothing to do with the tactics. In fact, the tactics suit Nani and Valencia more as they have never utilized their speed much anyway.
September 27th, 2009 at 17:21
@Roge9: It’s kind of funny but Wigan found Valencia’s replacement in this Rodillega fellow and I have to say, that player is twice the player Valencia is. He completely murdered Chelsea yesterday.
September 27th, 2009 at 17:26
@[OPTI]Madschester United:
Carrick can only improve from here on out; he doesn’t play with the same vision as he has in previous seasons. And, Anderson needs to realize that even though he is in the first team he still has to fight for his spot. Laslty, Nani needs to realize that he is not Ronaldo (yet) and he needs to be more unselfish.
Scholes, Giggs, Evra, Rooney, and Fletcher have been amazing this season, especially the latter two.
September 27th, 2009 at 17:26
@Roge9: Thats why I believe that in January Fergie is going to break January tradition and go after David Silva. We need him and we will be able to afford him then much more so then after the World Cup when his price could increase greatly. For me Silva and a goalkeeper are the only missing pieces for us becoming as good as Barca and Madrid. It’s not about having a team of galacticos, it’s about having a few in the right positions and then having a lot of good players in the rest of the positions. For me we have Rooney, Rio (yes, he’s still great), Vidic and Giggsy and now Fetcher is quickly becoming a dominant force in midfield. Give him that great attacking midfielder and we will be hard to stop. And next season we add a great keeper to replace EVDS and the puzzle is almost complete. It was never about replacing Ronaldo. It has always been about building a great team. Ronaldo is and always will be impossible to replace.
September 27th, 2009 at 17:29
@Red Ranter: Naturally Dan would assume that since he is German I am now going to get on this vigil to have him take over for Foster.
To quote Sven,…….”Wella”
September 27th, 2009 at 17:59
@Footy4Eddy: You’ve got a long wait then. You’ll probably be a United player yourself well before Foster becomes good.
September 27th, 2009 at 18:06
@Footy4Eddy: Another great job mate but i do have a disappointment with the game. It’s still looks the same as 09 and the movement of players still seems blocky and less fluid. That’s the one thing I can say Konami does better than FIFA is their player movement seems so natural. Good job by you though. Can’t wait for the game. I wonder what kind of ratings they are going to give players like Fletcher, Foster, Rafael, Scholes, Owen, Berbatov and Carrick this year? Some deserve considerably higher ratings and others, not so high. Last year Scholes got an 86 when he deserved 80 and Fletcher got 77 when he deserved 80. This year Fletcher deserves nothing less than 83 or 84 and Rafael needs to be bumped up to 77 or 78 for sure. Carrick needs to come down as does Berbatov.
September 27th, 2009 at 18:22
@Gubby: It’s because at Watford he was able to utilize his two strongest assets as a goalkeeper, shot stopping and reflexes. Plenty of work also makes one’s concentration better with less chances of it waning. He unfortunately has too many missing pieces at this level. We are not Watford, we are Man Utd. It’s kind of vital that we all remember that and continue to have and demand high standards for the club and it’s players. Average and mediocre is not good enough.
September 27th, 2009 at 19:06
@Grognard: Have you gotten a chance to play the demo yet? It may look the same buy EA did a great job in improving the game play. It’s a much more fluid and dynamic game.
September 27th, 2009 at 19:09
@Grognard: Im no foster supporter but there is no way I would bench him for Pig. That man scares me more than foster.
September 27th, 2009 at 19:16
Fucking hell we won two nil had the best start to a season in ten years and all people can still go on about is Foster, jeez change the record
September 27th, 2009 at 19:27
@Traverse: Funny but Pulis said he was the best player on the pitch, maybe he needs to change his nationality to Brazilian get dreadlocks and then yesterday he would have been MOM.
September 27th, 2009 at 19:56
@Stephen: Pulis knows dick about shit.
September 27th, 2009 at 20:38
@Grognard: My intent wasn’t to bring up the Foster debate again (I’m tired of the sniping on both sides – not to mention, the intolerance for one another on both sides). So, I’m sorry I brought up the German keeper.
September 27th, 2009 at 20:50
Intersting read on llijacic or however you spell it
http://www.skysports.com/football/transfers/scout/0,24035,15198_5293960,00.html
September 27th, 2009 at 21:10
@Grognard: I guess i would have to say that a player represents himself to me as to how well he performs his position.
I try hard not to have favorites or lepers because it’s very hard to become objective with how they are actually playing.
There are obvious exceptions to any rule and for me, I must say I have an admiration for Wayne Rooney. His skill set, intelligence on the field and magnificent work ethic makes it difficult for me to not like him. At the other end of the scale, Carlos Tevez was one of those players that makes me unexplainably cringe in horror whenever he scurries around.
But to have an almost idolic connection, to a player, and especially those that have not yet proved themselves, is not only unintelligent, but downright child-like!!
September 27th, 2009 at 21:20
@Grognard: Mate, the game is very different from FIFA 09!
So much its actually annoying! The running is different, the shooting is different, strength now matters an awful lot and its just completely different. You are gonna see what I mean when you play it, you will be positivly surprised because its changed so much but angrily surprised because its so annoyingly realistic! 
Just cant wait to play as United! Barca and Chelsea are good teams, but Barca play 4-3-3 and Chelsea play a 4-4-2 with Essiena and Malouda on the wings. A natural 4-4-2 suits me, and I look forward to using the game as its supposed to be. Wazza behind Berba, Nani and Valencia on the wings and with the pic-to-box new thingy I am gonna make myself and play as the RB. Comepting with Brown and Rafael wont be easy, but you know… Im just too good! 
Really looking forward to thursday! 
September 27th, 2009 at 23:44
Would not surprise me to see United adopt a flexible 4-3-3 against Wolfsburg.
- Foster -
- Evra – Vidic – Rio – Neville -
- Valencia – Fletcher – Anderson -
- Giggs – Rooney – Berbatov -
Not sure how they will come at us – perhaps using a 3 man front also or maybe playing it safe with 1 or 2 strikers. If we line up 4-3-3 it would be easy to adapt to any in-game change they might make!
September 28th, 2009 at 0:04
@Johnsom33: I don’t play demo’s of games I know i am buying. I don’t want it to spoil the the full game for me when I bring into my home. You could let me know however if there are improvements in the editing of players and teams and if they have done a better job of defining tactics. I would also like to know if they make it easier to create a player and making him awesome from the very beginning as opposed to a rating of around 60? And how is the AI regarding goalkeeeping and the way minnow teams defend? One thing I never see in their games is the AI defending by placing ten men behind the ball. I also would like to see the AI play zone defense where they do not harass you much in your end, like real football. Finally, what are the ratings grades they have given Fletcher, Owen, Gibson and Rafael? Let me know if you can indeed answer these questions for me through the demo.
September 28th, 2009 at 0:04
I read an article saying that the only way we will know if Hargreaves’ operation is a success is when he actually starts playing. So we should probably mentally prepare for the possibility Hargreaves will play a few games the injury will return and he’ll not play the rest of the season. Thank God for Fletcher.
I agree we are overly reliant on Ryan Giggs. He and Fletcher and the best midfielders we have. Luckily Fletcher is pretty indestructible and never seems to get injured and is hitting the prime of his career. But Giggs will not last the season if he gets overused like this. He should be playing once or twice a month so he is fresh as a daisy. Unfortunately the supporting cast of Carrick and Anderson just aren’t good enough.
Nani I still think will one day come good. Most wingers are frustrating when they are young. But Valencia was a dud signing. I am praying that Obertan steps it up and fulfills his potential with us and kicks Valencia to the bench. It makes me crazy we spent £15 million on Valencia when we could have probably got Silva for £25 million.
September 28th, 2009 at 0:07
@Johnsom33: Baede on what, the numerous horrendous mistakes he has made? Come on mate, you are being really unfair because in all the games PIG has played, he has never made half of the blunders that Foster has made. His only glaring weakness other than his kicking accuracy is his tentative nature on high balls. Other than that, I think he is quite good really. I hope it isn’t a British vs Polish thing mate. I for one couldn’t care less where a keeper comes from as long as he is good. Although as Dan would point out, I do have my German favoritism (not bias).
September 28th, 2009 at 0:08
@Stephen: The record is on digital repeat mode. Foster sucks…Foster sucks…Foster sucks….Foster sucks….
September 28th, 2009 at 0:09
@Traverse: I’ve heard that he also knows shit about dick.
September 28th, 2009 at 0:11
@Red Ranter: Not a problem mate. I too am tired of the topic but people keep on defending the ass clown and i for one just can’t handle that. It irritates my inner being and I just have to reply. Two things I can’t stand, tolerance of Foster and tolerance for the Dutch.
September 28th, 2009 at 0:16
@Redrich: I totally agree. My admiration on this club is also for Rooney and for Vidic. I just love the way both carry themselves and play the game. I’d include Hargreaves in that if we ever see him again and Fletcher is really starting to grow on me. Players who have always rubbed me the wrong way are Neville, Evra and Scholes. Solid players and consummate professionals but no matter how hard they try or play, there has always been something about each one’s respective game that drives me crazy. Notice I don’t even mention players like Anderson or Foster because they are and always will be dead to me.
September 28th, 2009 at 0:20
@Footy4Eddy: That pic to box thingy where you can create a player based on your image is neat but does it allow you turn that player into an instant god? I’d hate to go to that trouble to look for a picture of when I was younger, skinnier and much more handsome and then have to put up with a rating of 60 while Ronaldo is an 90, know what I mean. Grognard would enter united as the Huntelaar that was never bought. Grognard von Krautstein the second coming of Gerd Mueller.
September 28th, 2009 at 0:24
@colver: Problem that occurs now is not only does Valencia know we covet Silva, but their argument over price will be determined not just by his on field play but the fact we were willing to play close to 20 million for a useless Valencia. Now they will come back to us and say hey, Silva is twice the player Valencia is and so what do you think it will cost us then to get him? I think it will be impossible to get him for less than 30 million unless Valencia is bloody desperate. And I don’t think they are because they recently got credit from a bank which helped bail them out of recent financial troubles.
September 28th, 2009 at 0:27
@Grognard: Tolerance for the Dutch annoys you? Aren’t you the Huntelaar/Sneijder fan who defended the Dutch league for producing technically superior players? Or has someone hijacked your username?
September 28th, 2009 at 0:58
@Red Ranter: Obviously you never got the joke. It’s from Austin Powers – Goldmember. When Michael Caine says there are only two thing he cannot tolerate. One, is people who are intolerant and two, are the Dutch.
September 28th, 2009 at 1:30
@colver: I wouldn’t be that quick to judge Valencia.
He’s not performing great right know, I know, and I think he probably needs to be transitioned slower into the first team than his inclusion right now.
He seems to be suffering from performance anxiety, and need to gain confidence and relax. His fluidness seems affected by this, as you see when he transitions from a run into delivering the final ball. Delay and hesitancy!
Don’t count on much from him this year, but he has good physical attributes to accompany his speed, and this will be good for us in the long run!
September 28th, 2009 at 1:47
@Grognard: We’ll definitely pay over the odds for Silva, but even at 25m he would be a bargain. The difference he would make to the dynamic of this team would be huge and if SAF can make the case that he’s cheaper now than he was in the summer, the money would probably get released for him.
I just don’t think he’ll dabble that much in January though. It’s not usually his style (although Evra and Vidic would be the exception) and he has been adamant that his squad is good enough to compete.
Injuries could effect this, so could VDS’ return. If Edwin has a shaky time between the sticks, it’s highly likely that he will be convinced to retire and new top class blood brought in. Foster can continue as our #2 and if he doesn’t like it, he’ll be sold!!
September 28th, 2009 at 3:09
Looks like Craig’s become a celebrity on the Stretford-End blog.
September 28th, 2009 at 6:09
@Redrich: I don’t know mate. In my experience when people suffer from performance anxiety it’s because they feel overwhelmed by their environment and when they know inside their souls that they cannot do the job asked of them. Valencia played for a small team and comes from a country that is small in comparison to the giants of the sports. All of a sudden he is thrust onto Man Utd and he has to elevate his game and justify the ridiculous amount of money they spent for him. He may turn out but again it’s a case of how long can a team like UNited be patient with players who cost them a mint?
September 28th, 2009 at 6:18
@Redrich: I still think the World Cup and subsequent price hike for players may force him to buy in January. Frankly, it would be good business to buy in January. But you are probably right. I know he won’t buy a keeper until next summer but an attacking midfielder is a possibility unless Scholes finds the fountain of youth, Anderson finds some skill to go with his big butt or Carrick finds the desire. Then there is always the Hargreaves question. Interesting times to ponder.
September 28th, 2009 at 6:20
@Red Ranter: It must be getting to his head because he he’s avoided all the Nani bashing on this blog like a plague.
September 28th, 2009 at 6:26
@Grognard: With world cup coming up …
1. If russia qualifies, Akinfeev will perform and his price sky-rocket to 20+ million
2. With Germany, Adler or Neuer will be available on the cheap depending on who did NOT play
I think younger players will come on the cheap after a world cup if they did not play much or at all, while stars or cup stars will require ENORMOUS (!
! ) fees for their capture.
I agree with Redrich and Grognard: Go with Silva or Hamsik in January but wait until Summer for youngsters.
September 28th, 2009 at 6:31
This seems interesting.
I think Neuer is the real target of United but they are using Rui as bargaining chip to say:”Look we like Neuer, but if you don’t give us a decent and fair price, we will opt for Rui who is similar to Neuer”
BTW: What do they mean when they say “same school as Schmeichel”?
September 28th, 2009 at 6:39
@[OPTI]Madschester United: First off Rui is not in the same universe with Neuer. Neuer is a GK god. And when they refer to somebody as from the same school as Schmeichel I think they mean that he is a fundamentally strong but that he is intimidating and aggressive in his box. No matter how great a shot stopper Schmeichel was, his command of the box and his defenders is second to none. The only keeper I have seen come close to him in that part of the game over the past 15 years is Kahn. Neuer however has that element in his game as does Boruc. I literally get high watching keepers scream and shout out orders to their defenders. It not only intimidates the defenders and makes them shape up if they are playing poorly, but opposing attackers look at this guy and say “Hell I want nothing to do with him thus he has an easier time on one to one confrontations and high balls. That’s what Schmeichel was all about. The fact he was an incredible shot stopper and hat cat like reflexes was just a bonus.
September 28th, 2009 at 7:17
@Grognard: I think he did the right thing. Being here would have made life miserable for him with all the Nani hate. As it is this place has degenerated into Foster-love-hate fest. A similar thing with Nani would have made all hell break loose.
September 28th, 2009 at 7:57
Nani’s perfomance on Saturday was down right frustrating, he seems to keep the ball for far too long,he is always trying to cut in and go for glory time and time again.While it’s assuring to know the boy has confidence in his skills, its not good for the overall team. He is trying too much to be ronaldo and doing what ronnie does.
I wish he’d realize he is a winger not a striker, while its ok for rooney and berba to shoot at any given opportunity, nani’s primary job is to feed the strikers not seek selfish glory.
He should learn from giggs to just KISS,use his pace and ability to beat the first defender and release the ball to the strikers. If he did that regularly, even the defenders would keep of him and always try and guess to whom he will pass to,thus giving him more room to work, so somewhere in the 60th minute he can now start to fulfill his desires.
There’s nothing giggs did that nani cant replicate, he should just learn to make better decisions and supply better crosses to the strikers.
As for the other wing, just because valencia hasn’t quite established himself as the cure for ronaldoism,I wouldn’t come down so hard on him, even ronaldo missed one on one opportunities,the more games he gets the better he’ll be,he should just learn not to hug the touch line so much and try and cut in like nani does, his crosses would be more effective if the were taken near the 18 yard box as opposed to those touch line crosses he delivers,which are easily spotted and caught by the keeper.
September 28th, 2009 at 8:35
@Grognard: Well, you start off with a rating between 60-70, judging by what position and your qualities are. But for each game you get plus points for your player in control, meaning that in 10 games you can go from 60 to 75 if you do well. Lets say me, Im gonna start out with sliding tackle at 85. If I make 5 succesful sliding tackles the first game, it will rise up to 90. But if I make a few failed attempts, lets say 2, it will degrade onto 83. The creater player will be very form decided, but you can choose when you think your player is complete. If you play 10 games where your player rises from 60 to 87, and you are happy with that, then the player will stay that. Its your choice!
September 29th, 2009 at 5:19
@Footy4Eddy: Sorry for the late reply mate. I was busy all day and haven’t had a chance at getting online until late this evening. Disappointed I am with EA continual arrogance and spoon feeding towards good paying customers. Why do they feel they have to make everything a test or struggle and that one must have to earn god status on that game? I pay my $60.00, I want complete freedom to create my ubergod without restrictions. In fact I want complete freedom to edit and change anything about any team or player in the game whether it be skill, or the kits themselves. Total sandbox freedom in a game is truly utopian and that is one thing I used to love PES until they came onto the 360 and PS3 stage. Then they got lazy and decided to cut off their customers rights too. They just don’t get it. I want to be able to create as many players as I want, as many teams and leagues as I want and I want no frakken restrictions. Why is that so difficult for them to get? Fine, have something in the game that doesn’t allow you to enter a Ronaldo at 99 in an online tournament. That’s not so hard to program into a game. But if I want to field a team of 11 Ronaldo’s all at 99, I should have that right. As much as I love FIFA and EA, I think I also hate them with the same passion.
October 5th, 2009 at 19:43
@<a href=”#comment-84092″ rel=”nofollow”>Redrich</a>: I don’t know mate. In my experience when people suffer from performance anxiety it’s because they feel overwhelmed by their environment and when they know inside their souls that they cannot do the job asked of them. Valencia played for a small team and comes from a country that is small in comparison to the giants of the sports. All of a sudden he is thrust onto Man Utd and he has to elevate his game and justify the ridiculous amount of money they spent for him. He may turn out but again it’s a case of how long can a team like UNited be patient with players who cost them a mint?