Sep 18
Tevez expects ‘good reception’ at derby – yeah, right!
while, in other news, the pigs from Orwell’s Animal farm flew around the earth.
Carlos Tevez seems rather confident that he will get a good reception at Old Trafford (assuming he shakes off his injury and makes it). “I expect to have a good reception. While at United, I always gave my best and I had good relations with the fans,” he said. “They know I did everything while at Old Trafford to try to score the goals that would help the team win matches, so I don’t know why I should have a bad reception. What will I do if I score a goal? Well, I will be glad, but I don’t think too much about that right now.”
He seems to have ignored a minor detail — of his behaviour and public pronouncements of bitterness that have more than soured any good he may have done on the pitch for us. And for most part of last season, running around like a frightened hobbit and moaning to the press about his ‘mistreatment’ were the highlights.
Many United fans backed him even, in my opinion disgracefully, booing Ferguson for the Argentine’s sake. I hope, if it’s not booing, then at least a hostile reception should be in store for him.
Speaking of Carlos Tevez…
For more such Tevez goodness, here.
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September 18th, 2009 at 9:51
Hehe…
He just can’t stop making fun of himself… 
The man just can’t understand that he is unwanted here… Please come out of your own world… No one loves you any more
September 18th, 2009 at 10:02
Nice cartoons though….
September 18th, 2009 at 10:46
Ever since he first spoke of his displeasure about Sir Alex in the media, i started to hate him. I won’t speak of him and i won’t even mention his name. To me, the only person i respect most is Sir Alex.
September 18th, 2009 at 11:43
September 18th, 2009 at 11:51
@Craig Mc: I hope and I am sure matey that you will have the loudest voice on the terreces of the OT, when it will come to showing that stupid what we feel about him….
September 18th, 2009 at 11:53
With regards to tevez,i suggest we write him off our history by not mentioning his name at all for any reason,that way he will know he doesnt matter at all.
We should not stop at small talking in the press about those fucks and attack them so they can know who is bigger.The last thing i want to see on sunday is us playing like pussies against them.We should go out on full blown attack so that means no park and no giggs,am sorry.
September 18th, 2009 at 11:54
What an irony isn’t it????
I mean when we wanted him he felt unwanted!!! And now when he is really unwanted he feels that we need him…..
How fortunes can change in space of three months isn’t it???
September 18th, 2009 at 13:18
That south american must have taken some south american stuff while he was away on international duty, seems like his head is still in the clouds.
doog reception. 
September 18th, 2009 at 15:10
We all know Carlos smells of wet dog.
September 18th, 2009 at 15:57
Carlos tevez is twat, nuff said.
September 18th, 2009 at 17:07
Carlos Tevez smells like a TRAITOR, simple as that. Not because he left the club, but because of the terrible things he said about our manager out of bitterness and spite. I especially take exception to that because that has long been Grognard’s realm and I hate it when former players move in on my territory.
September 18th, 2009 at 17:11
Today I switched my browser over from Firefox to Safari and i noticed two interesting things. First, the blog is much faster and it doesn’t hang on me like it does so often with Firefox, ad secondly, my avatar of the King has finally shown up. Hail to the King.
September 18th, 2009 at 17:15
Carlos Teves is a rather sad creature. In some ways I do sympathize with him because i feel he was misused a lot last season considering his first season with us was a resounding success. But where I feel sorry for him is that it is clear that he did enjoy being a part of this team and that he did love the fans. The reason I say this is that his anger and bitterness is deep rooted and reminds me of a scorned wife who has just lost the man she loves to another woman but who remembers how much she loved him and can’t get it out of her mind therefore, she stalks him and terrorizes him out of jealousy and out of a feeling of betrayal that just won’t leave her alone. Poor Carlita, poor scorned little ugly biaaaatch.
September 18th, 2009 at 17:20
We know Carlos has turned down plastic surgery to remove the scars from his face, but I suggest he consider therapy to remove the scars in his soul and heart as his bitterness is sad and incredibly counterproductive. He needs to get over it and move on. And nothing better to help him get on with things than a good pelting of abuse from the OT faithful on Sunday I say. Put him in his place and help him get a truer understanding of where he fits in all of our hearts and minds. Quasimoto needs to wake up and get a reality check if he thinks we are going to smother him with love and adoration come Sunday.
September 18th, 2009 at 17:48
Dictionary Update: Twat is now spelled Tevez
September 18th, 2009 at 18:25
Good reaction indeed. I can’t wait!
September 18th, 2009 at 19:07
Fuck off! Seriously if United fans boo Tevez, they deserve to be shot. The guy gave his best in every game that he played for us and now he is public enemy number one because he badmouthed the hierarchy of the club to the press?
What about fucking Ronaldo? Nobody seems to have any hatred for him and instead of saying that he wants to stay (and trying to force the club to keep him), he requests a transfer and takes the trolley to the ‘team of his dreams’ or something or other.
I hope it’s not all United fans who are this fickle and idiotic, but just some of them. I mean, remember a year ago when half the people on this forum were saying that Tevez is better than Rooney? And remember what you were saying about Evra not two months ago? Seriously people, keep your opinions in check and think about what you say before you say it.
September 18th, 2009 at 19:16
Tevez is an ex player who scored a few great goals and a few important ones for us, helped us to two titles and the Champions League.
I don’t really care what he’s said or what SAF said.
Booing any ex player is deplorable and that kind of behavior should left to the likes of the Chelsea fans who didn’t know where Stamford Bridge was before Mourinho came along.
September 18th, 2009 at 19:41
@RedDave: You don’t care what he said about SAF which is why you wouldn’t boo him. I care about what he said about SAF — not once, but a million different times. His behaviour was out of order, and he tried his best to play victim and milk the fans’ affection. I’m done with Tevez.
@Andrei: I was a staunch supporter of Tevez until he started mouthing every minute. I was sick of the bitterness he was showing, and I would rate the fans drowning out Fergie (and booing the manager when he subbed out Tevez) as more disgraceful.
My opinion has been well thought through, thank you. So shoot me.
September 18th, 2009 at 19:51
I don’t think he should be booed, he sacrificied alot for our club and always gave a110%. He has badnouthed SAF so if you don’t want to applaud him then that’s fine. But I font think he deserves to get booed.
September 18th, 2009 at 20:21
@Andrei: @RedDave: @Johnsom33: giving 110% doesnt justify the rubbish statements he had to make. we had players like Stam who gave the club more than what Tevez gave and left on bad terms but didnt go nasty like Twat did.
As for Ronaldo, Andrei, the boy said nothing bad about United or SAF after he left, all he did was to thank us the fans, his team mates and the manager for being great to him and for the support and education he got at United. FYI everyone was suprised when he flew in to have a farewell dinner with SAF, he was bright than most of us thought, credit to him. And that erases (from our minds) all the ill things he did while at United (which every player has gone thru anyway), unlike Twat, all we recall is that he now plays for shitty and he talked shit about our great manager and club.
He should actually thank United because he fluked trophies and medals after contributing less and after SAF saving him from the hell he was in with Kia Job-ra-cheat!!!
September 18th, 2009 at 20:35
I would have loved if we still had Keano and Tevez did an Adebayor-esque celebration if he scored…
Anyway, i used to be strong supporter of Tevez but after his childish and disrespectful comments he made towards SAF and the club he does not deserve a warm welcome. To those people saying, “What about Ronaldo?” Well, not only was he the most PIVOTAL and influencial player we had, but he also showed respect and was thankful for being able to work with SAF and playing for United. Tevez did not.
However, i doubt he will score and Vida/Rio will easily take care of him.
September 18th, 2009 at 20:42
@Andrei: Fuck off your self!
Anyone who bad mouths fergie to the extent of teveth should be shot!
September 18th, 2009 at 20:44
@RedDave:
This
Thats the type of fan you are.
September 18th, 2009 at 20:45
@Red Ranter: I agree. I was a Tevez fan, the main reason being that he could get us match winning goals which can be a rare commodity in a player and I would turn a blind eye to the fact that he had no pace, first touch or real vision. But when he started sniping constantly at Fergie and his ‘treatment’ my opinion turned. He comes across now as aggressively bitter/deluded and won’t let his perceived torment go. Its extremely irritating because he got paid an obscene amount of money each week and got plenty of playing time, more than most. And although I’m not keen to see him boo’d there is part of me that will enjoy seeeing him get his reality check.
September 18th, 2009 at 20:46
@Grognard: Fuck safari!
Google chrome is the king!
September 18th, 2009 at 21:04
Well I’ll be there on Sunday and I won’t be booing,
who of you will be there?
I don’t boo ex players, I don’t care what kind of fan I am Dan,
troll somewhere else AND grow up with calling anyone who has opposing view point a plastic fan,
if you want to go and see united in the league cup you can get in for a tenner, Dan ok?
September 18th, 2009 at 21:16
@RedDave: Oh right, you were one of those stupid disrespectful muppets that booed saf. Well done.
Oh, and while you’re at old trafford, buy your self a MUG, there only a fiver, mmmkay little knob end?
Btw, i somehow doubt you’ll be anywhere near old trafford on sunday, your probably a clueless yank.
Go team and what not
September 18th, 2009 at 21:16
@Jay Jay: Ronaldo wanting to leave United and shutting up about it is more insulting than Tevez wanting to stay and talking about it.
Rate Tevez for all he has done on the field, not all he has done off the field. Besides, he never had a go at the United fans, he always thanked us for the support we gave him.
September 18th, 2009 at 21:20
Tevez REALLY BELIEVES that we the fans OWE HIM ADORATION. He is the only player EVER who has made such a noise about returning to OT and being made a massive fuss of – somebody correct me if they can think of someone else. I have NEVER known anyone like Tevez, who believes that loud accolades and proclamations of love are due him. He CRAVES love and respect – but he gets neither from me.
1. If he loved the United fans as much as he said he does – why didn’t he come out against the big blue arseoled welcome to Manchester Poster?
2. Why lie thru his back teeth that he left because he was unloved by SAF and management. Just go over to Republik of Mankunia and read their thread about Tevez statement 2 months before leaving, saying how much he respected SAF, and that he had treated him well, and he was EXACTLY THE SAME in his care and treatment to EVERY PLAYER. Then he leaves for the bluenoses and NEVER STOPS LYING, moaning and badmouthing SAF and the club.
3. He had the audacity to say to any media who would listen to him, that had SAF played him in the Rome CL game, he would have won the game for us. That AFTER he did fuck all when he came on at half time.
4. He trashed his luxury home, or rather let his dogs trash the 1000’s of pounds worth of excellent furniture – his lifestyle being typical of his background. The club had to sort it out after serious complaints, as the press reported.
5. He wants to do an Adebeyor, and score a goal, then run to the dugout and fist the air and shout in SAF’s face to belittle him. I hope he does and GETS A RED CARD, like the many he gets with Argentina for losing his head!
6. The guy feeds on rapture – and he cannot seemingly live without it. He should be given nothing! And he’ll get nothing but vitriol from me, like he has given our club since he left!
September 18th, 2009 at 21:23
@Dan: Easy mate. You had your chance to speak your mind once, so don’t push it.
September 18th, 2009 at 21:26
@Dan: Dan mate – RedDave if I remember correctly is a season ticket holder of 30 years standing! If he doesn’t warrent booing CARLA TEV that’s his privilege. I feel entirely different to that where Tevez is concerned as I listed in previous post, but RedDave has his viewpoint and entitlement – which you and I disagree with of course – but still.
September 18th, 2009 at 21:29
I’ll clap any ex player…lads, that’s it,
it’s not really even about tevez or SAF
September 18th, 2009 at 21:32
@RedDave: I’ll be there Red Dave and I will be boo-ing – the 1st time I ever boo-ed a returning ex United player in my life!
September 18th, 2009 at 21:32
@Craig Mc: If he carries on with his pompous attitude ill tell him exactly where he can stick his season ticket!
@Red Ranter: Eh?
September 18th, 2009 at 21:46
@RedDave: Really, would you clap heinze? Did you clap for ince when he was playing?
September 18th, 2009 at 21:51
@Andrei: If Tevez had accomplished 1/10th what Ronaldo had for the team then maybe he would get the same amount of respect. As it is he was a worthless piece of shit who worked hard and accomplished little. There’s a funny thing about judging strikers. You see, they are expected to perform a function that is foreign to Carlos Tevez. That’s score goals.
And although I disagreed many times with the way Fergie was using him, or should I say not using him, he is the Boss and he clearly made the correct judgment call that the man was not worth the money he was asking. So he cut him loose. Tevez should have shut his pie hole right then and there and moved on instead of acting like a scorned bitch in heat. So save your Tevez love for some other site mate. We here at Red Rants are pretty unanimous in our distain for the fellow. And I’d think twice before I come to a site for the first time and start calling people here idiots. The only idiot I see is you.
September 18th, 2009 at 21:54
@RedDave: He deserves every bit of wrath the supporters throw down on him for his disservice to the club and his lack of respect and show of distain for our leader. Tevez can go fuck himself.
September 18th, 2009 at 21:56
@Red Ranter: Totally agree RR. I was in Tevez’ corner as well until he opened his ugly trap and said all that crap about Fergie. And his arrogance has no bounds as he thinks he will come to OT and we will lavish him with hugs and kisses. He’s going to get a massive surprise me thinks. What a git!
September 18th, 2009 at 21:59
@Johnsom33: I don’t appreciate or respect former players who show such malice and disrespect towards Fergie. Fergie is far from perfect but as far as being a manager is concerned, he has earned and deserves respect from his players at least and that includes his former players. One of the ass clowns earlier asked why we do not boo Ronaldo for leaving. Because Ronaldo accomplished so much for us but because he also left with dignity and showed class and respect towards everyone at the club and especially his manager. Nuff said.
September 18th, 2009 at 22:00
@Dan: Totally agree mate. Of course that excludes me though ok.
September 18th, 2009 at 22:01
@Dan:
FANtastic mate!
September 18th, 2009 at 22:02
Wow – timesonline have just printed an article with Fergie saying that Tevez believes the fans have accepted his move to City was because of the treatment he received from SAF and management – AS DELUSIONAL
. SAF went on to say that Tevez will get a HOSTILE reception from the fans! I’d say Fergie is expecting the fans to come out on Fergie’s side in all this.
September 18th, 2009 at 22:03
@Dan: I’ve never tried it but I am happy with Safari so far because it’s fast and it also is obviously so much more compatible to my iMac. I’m sure google is good though.
September 18th, 2009 at 22:03
@Dan: I let it slide with your comment #24 which in itself was unnecessary. But you came back with another unnecessary personal rant at #28. Pushing it.
September 18th, 2009 at 22:04
@Dan: Chrome’s not out as yet on the Mac.
September 18th, 2009 at 22:06
@RedDave: Why is it not right to boo ex players who basically boo the club and show the club and manager disrespect after they leave? I think you have your loyalties a little out of whack mate. Perhaps you should ask yourself who’s corner you are in, Fergie’s or Carlito’s? I agree there is no reason to boo former players who leave on good terms, but Tevez hardly left quietly now did he? No he had to basically burn all his bridges before leaving OT and so he is dead to me as well as many other loyal fans who may have their issues with the club and the manager, but who stay loyal no matter what.
September 18th, 2009 at 22:07
@Grognard: Sorry mate, but it was personal and in poor taste. He has no right to pass judgements on other fans here. That’s not fantastic at all.
Everyone, all RedDave has done here is to share his viewpoint. I won’t tolerate people getting personal just because his view is different.
September 18th, 2009 at 22:09
@Craig Mc: If he loved United so much then he should have taken advantage of the get out of jail clause in his personal contract and then signed with us for the money we were willing to offer him. Instead he was greedy, selfish and now he is bitter and, angry and delusional to boot. He’s a sorry pathetic little ugly bastard. Poor little bastard
Lets all shed a tear for him and the horror he is having to face while he cashes his millions. 
The twat is fucking insane. 
September 18th, 2009 at 22:10
@RedDave: No, it’s about being totally ridiculous.
September 18th, 2009 at 22:11
@Craig Mc: Give him a double dose for me Bro OK.
September 18th, 2009 at 22:14
@Dan: Leaving is one thing but leaving bitter angry and filled with revenge is another thing. I look at players like Keane and Beckham who left on terrible terms yet had the class to keep their mouths shut and not continuously bad mouth the boss or the team. Instead, they show a love and respect for the club to this day. It’s called loyalty and class. Something the likes of Ince, Heinze and Tevez have no concept of.
September 18th, 2009 at 22:15
Tevez has left every club he’s been at under a cloud, full of bitterness and vitriol. The guy has got serious issues. Ronaldo behaved badly with his flirtation with Madrid but in the end left in the right manner plus the club received 80 million big ones. Tevez was paid handsomely to give 100% for the club and was given adulation from the crowd. The club treated him with respect yet he has no class in leaving for more money. I haven’t got a problem with players leaving for that reason but to badmouth the manager and spoil our title winning celebration is despicable. Why was he wearing an Argentina shirt during our celebrations? The guy can go fuck himself.
September 18th, 2009 at 22:17
@Red Ranter: He got personal first mate by referring to us who would boo as nothing better than Chelsea fans. So if he is going to make a judgment call like that on us, well then he knows what to expect in return. Fair is fair.
September 18th, 2009 at 22:19
@Grognard: That’s something else that the times on line article is saying SAF says proves his point that Tevez and his agents agreed the deal with City months before he left. He said he understands now the times have quoted that City paid 47million to his greedy slaveowners and not the 25 million agreed with UNited. SAF says 24 million United were feeling was steep, and too much with the 10 million we had payed for the loan! SAF truly believes Tevez will get a hostile reception, and Mark Hughes says Tevez will play some part in the game now!
September 18th, 2009 at 22:20
@Cyclops-Red: The reason he leaves is not because of his attitude, it’s because teams realize that he isn’t really all that good. I won’t even start by pointing out his flaws on the pitch. Carlos is a blue collar player with dirt under his fingernails who is trying to be accepted as a white collar executive. It’s sort of laughable really.
September 18th, 2009 at 22:23
maybe it’s my age, I’m not sure,
I know what Tevez has said and I understand why he will get booed, and why many here support that.
Interesting you bring up Ince Dan, yes I did clap him when he came back with other teams and I have clapped him with our away game regulars,
With Tevez, Ince and Heinze, for me, those players entertained me when I watched them play, so it’s personal, it’s about what they contributed to my enjoyment of watching united (and yes I have been really spoiled over the years)
Now…I was upset last season about the tevez thing and if the reports about what he has said are true, then he is in the wrong..and that changes everything…but will never, for me, change his contribution as being picked and playing for united.
At no point did Heinze, Ince or Tevez ever do anything untoward to affect the free flowing football we know and love so well. ince was a great workhorse for us and Heinze would have gone through a brick wall for united.
All of those players played well for us. Understandably Tevez’s contribution is in some doubt amongst people who post here but I enjoyed watching Tevez so I will not boo him. He wanted to play for us badly and his “outbursts” can only back that up, even though he is in the wrong.
In terms of booing, I have never been a fan who goes to obscure FA cup away games at places like Burton Albion singing “we’ve got one whole stand bigger than you ground.” And Maybe tevez does deserve booing but I think we, as a club, WE are above that kind of classless rot.
I won’t be booing despite turning my back on him and he also can’t fight back unless it is through beating us.
if you boo him you are pretty much as bad as him.
Why not try and remember those few important goals he scored and move on? eh?
September 18th, 2009 at 22:33
@Grognard: He was a decent player, no more no less, a kind of one trick show donkey.
Maybe the best solution is to completely ignore him. The one thing the bitter, twisted, blue one-eighth of Manchester has craved all these years is attention. I think the game should be treated as “business as usual”.
September 18th, 2009 at 22:34
@RedDave: Sir Alex says that he has warned Tevez to expect a hostile reception from the OT faithful. I have noticed in your very nice posts Dave that NOT ONCE HAVE YOU MENTIONED SAF in all your prose! Leads me to think mate, that you were one of those “Fergie sign him up” fans, who outshouted the Boss and uncouthly disrupted our victory celebrations and SAF’s speech! Or am I wrong about that Dave?
September 18th, 2009 at 22:40
@Craig Mc:
Hehe, well spotted, but no I was the one of the few singing “Fergie, sign someone up”
September 18th, 2009 at 22:47
@Grognard: He said booing ex-players is deplorable — ie, fans (of any club) booing ex-players is deplorable. That is an opinion. And something, he claims to adhere to. He said to leave the booing to the likes of Chelsea fans. He didn’t get personal with anyone in particular. And I actually let Dan’s remarks slide only for him to continue with another follow up comment. I don’t appreciate others — especially the regulars, who should know better — to applaud Dan for insulting another.
RedDave to his credit has made it clear even from his follow up comments that it’s his opinion on how fans should behave and something he practises. So let’s be understanding of that eh?
September 18th, 2009 at 22:48
@RedDave:
, well Grog would join you in that particular song mate! Grog has said since last season that SAF should sign someone, anyone with class on the dotted line 
.
September 18th, 2009 at 22:53
@Craig Mc: I love how tevez gets blamed for the fergie sign him up chant. When SAF grabbed the mic, did Tevez stand up and start the chant?
Tevez has run his mouth far too much, and his justification is the supposed bad treatment he recieved from the boss. Whether he is lying or fergie is lying doesn’t matter to me. I can seperate the player from the running mouth blue version.
I’m not hear to debate with anyone about what they feel tevez, because frankly I couldn’t care less. I know how I feel, I just don’t like people questioning someones fanhood because they have a different opnion or veiwpoint.
September 18th, 2009 at 22:54
Feel free to remove this RR if legally you feel you have to, but in the UK Katie Price has been claiming some unknown celebrity raped her in the 90’s. I don’t believe it for a second, because she is a fame hungry headline whore, but without naming names, he is a footballer, of interest to this site. He scored a pretty famous equaliser about 10 years ago.
I very much doubt it’s true, since he has always come across as a top bloke.
September 18th, 2009 at 22:57
@Traverse: Sheringham?
September 18th, 2009 at 22:57
There are two things you will never see from me here on this board.
1) Foul language
2) Personal attacks (although I may chop back with some sarcasm once in a while)
if you want to dish it, dish it.
I am old enough and ugly enough to be well beyond all that messing around and don’t take any personal attacks you might say seriously, after all you are behind the comfort of a qwerty keyboard when you say it.
I’ve done away days at Anfield, I’ve heard worse from 75 year old women scousers, been spat on from that stand above the away end there and had stones thrown at my car on approach to anfield.
I’ve also had bags of shit thrown at me in the san siro.
I AM a bit of a plastic fan in actual fact, I had a hip replacement 2 years ago and some of that is plastic as well as titanium.
September 18th, 2009 at 23:01
@RedDave: Nice to see you have a sense of humour and a thick skin (albeit titanium) to boot. But as a policy — being a moderator — I have to tell people off if they make personal attacks.
September 18th, 2009 at 23:05
@Red Ranter: Well if we’re just going to come straight out and name names!
Yeah, basically.
September 18th, 2009 at 23:25
@RedDave: So does that me that if your wife “entertained” you for years that you would welcome her back with open arms if she went and shagged the whole neighborhood? I rather doubt it. Betrayal is betrayal. I too was a big Heinze fan and I felt bad for the way he was mistreated by Fergie but here’s the thing, right or wrong, the Boss is the Boss and he knows best and we just have to respect his decisions, even if we don’t like them.
I look at it this way, how entertaining would Ince, Heinze and Tevez have been had they played for a middle of the table United club under a different manager? You are spoilt as am I and many others. And we owe that to not one player but to one manager, Sir Alex Ferguson. So even when we are mad at him or pissed off or in general disagreement with him, the fact is we are loyal to him above all else because he has earned it. Ince, Heinze, Beckham, Keane, Stam, Tevez be damned. Fergie is God and in God we trust. Now watch for me to start bashing his decisions after Sundays game. But still, no matter how bad I feel and no matter how much I criticize him, he is the man and he will get my respect and loyalty, no matter what. And finally, it’s not us who need to move on, it’s Tevez.
September 18th, 2009 at 23:33
@RedDave: Relax Dave. We all get bent out of shape once in a while and we lose it and lose control. None of us have anything against you or your right to express yourself. Just expect people to disagree with you at times and with passion. I too am no spring chicken so I do get the jist of your experience and having been around but it’s no excuse for many on here, believe me. Anyway, sorry if I went off on you a bit.
September 18th, 2009 at 23:34
@Grognard:
it’s just how I feel, personally, you can hector and find a relevant, comparable and personal contradiction for me to give my thoughts on and it;s true i might see it differently with a wife but the bottom line is that i’ve never had sex with tevez.
Also any of us could NOT boo tevez and still be supportive of SAF.
September 18th, 2009 at 23:38
i’m a united fan and a tevez fan. while most bloggers on this site feel the two are mutually exclusive, i dont hold that view. i’ve supported a lot of ex players. andy cole is the player who turned me into a united fan and naturally i followed his career where ever he went. i can’t understand the problem united fans have with tevez. it’s easy to forget the treatment he received from the club. you can be a united fan and loathe the administration. this was the common position when the glaziers took over. lots of fans abused ferguson for not critising the takeover. did that make them less united fans. a lot of blogs exist because they dont want to follow the clubs line. if this wasn’t true then we all would be logging on the official web site. oi dont even bother with that site any more. tevez continued to express his wishes to stay. however united werent sure and kept delaying the decision. saf openly confesses that his evaluation was much less than the owners were asking for. yet in the last hour they offered to pay what they called the market price. by this time tevez felt like an unwanted player and decided that is future lay elsewhere. i’m sure united knew that tevez would turn down the offer. it was only made to turn the fans against him.i remeber andy cole leaving the club because he no longer wished to spend time on the bench. i think he said i’m a player and i need to play. i’m sure tevez felt the same. i dont like player who like sitting on the bench. i hate it when i see talented players on the bench when they could be playing. tevez knew saf did not have the confidence in him to start him week after week. this of course is saf perogative. but its not right to ridicule any criticism of saf with slanderous claims and cartoons of tevez. tevez in my view in all the reports has just expressed the view taht he wanted to stay but the management didnt. tevez popularity last year was earned and saf didnt like it. i remeber a report which saf wasnt exactly supportive of tevez when he tried to explain why tevez was popular with the fans. saf is not beyond critisism. in my opinion every time he plays berbatov he’s made a poor decision.
September 18th, 2009 at 23:48
@tom: Look I fully understood the way Tevez was treated by the club management and the manager. I was with him right till late January and early February (I think). But after he kept whining about his bitterness, to the extent of playing the victim card, I began to get exasperated. He’s also lied about his situation in the club. Before leaving he said this:
“I was there for two years and Sir Alex never called or sent any text messages in that time. The only time he talked to me was after a match against Roma to discuss a situation about going to play for Argentina. It doesn’t seem that this is the way to treat a player in two years at the club. It doesn’t seem there is a line of communication.”
But that was contradicted by what he had to say prior to it (a couple of months before the above):
Sir Alex Ferguson has told me he wants me to remain a United player and that is certainly my desire too. My contract ends in the summer and we have agreed to sit down at the end of the season and discuss a new contract, nothing I have heard from the club suggests it will be otherwise. There is simply no reason to sit down now. I have a great relationship with Sir Alex and I hope that will continue long into the future.“
Forgive me, but I can’t have too much sympathy for him.
September 18th, 2009 at 23:49
@Traverse: Well, we say a lot of things in the comments here which could be libelous.
I usually take care in the main posts, but in the comments I guess there is less PC.
September 19th, 2009 at 0:08
Red Ranter, my point is that tevez earned the respect of the fans. however by the end of the socond season he felt unwanted by the club and therefore moved on. there are reports daily which are contradictory during the season. i remeber reading a report where maradonna was reported of saying that tevez told him that saf was trying to devalue him so united could buy on the cheap. i’m sure you also agree that often players say the club line. i think every player has to do this at some time or another. i too was a bit dsiappointed with him when he made the gesture are you listening to the management. however i interpreted that has desperation on his part to stay at the club and not to start denomising him. i think ronaldo’s actions over the last few seasons were a lot worse. tevez never claimed there was a bigger club then united unlike ronaldo.
September 19th, 2009 at 0:32
@tom: I didn’t interpret that as desperation. I interpreted his gesture as an excuse to leave, playing the victim when the reality was he wss well respected by both the management and the fans. His “agent” badly advised him over his exit but there again his “agent” has made an absolute killing on his various transfer fees. I’m not being conned anymore by players and there so called love of th club.
September 19th, 2009 at 1:21
@RedDave:
Not only do you show impecible etiquette for a footy fan, but you also make very wise choices too!!
September 19th, 2009 at 1:32
@RedDave: Awwww Feck Dave, does that mean I have to speak nice, and watch the expletives when your on board the blog then! That might just be a bit too hard mate
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September 19th, 2009 at 1:32
@tom: Tevez was a bitter disappointment last year. His play was frenetic, careless and beyond anything, detrimental to the team effort overall.
SAF probably had no intention to sign him for 25m, but hedged his bets (as all good managers do) waiting to see if his demands eased any. Instead he started playing the fans against the manager, and airing his grievances with the tabloids. All in an effort to pad his own pockets!!
On Sunday I will boo him heartily (if he dares to show him ugly mug) as I did last year, but this time around it will have added venom and spite.
September 19th, 2009 at 1:34
@Craig Mc: Expletives are OK mate, but watch those CAPITALS!!
September 19th, 2009 at 1:38
@Craig Mc: You are a daddy now, so you have to start setting a good example.
September 19th, 2009 at 1:41
@Johnsom33: Errrr I would use an expletive to you hear mate, but Red Dave doesn’t like it
. In that particular post you are answering, which was addressed to Red Dave, where did I blame Tevez for the interuptions and spoiling of SAF’s celebratory speech, and our PL celebrations??? I was talking about fans who were out of order in mine and other United faithful opinions 
. Nevertheless, Tevez was indirectly responsible for the outbursts, because even then for a few weeks he had been mouthing off about being disrespected to the media. I have no problem if you are a Tevez lover, and want to support him, thats your opinion, but please give me the same courtesy of having my own opinion, which certainly isn’t in accord with yours!
September 19th, 2009 at 1:42
Redrich this is exactly my point. saf has earned the right to form and act on his opinion. tevez must of clearly felt that saf was of the same opinion has yours. tevez throughoutthe season felt wanted by the fans and he reciprocated that. the management only mooved for him when it was clear that other clubs where prepared to meeet the asking price. howver in my opinion this was only done to absolve themselfs from blame for tevez leaving. i remeber reading an article stating we dont think tevez is worth 25m but we are prepared to pay the market place price. but surely this was too late.
September 19th, 2009 at 1:44
@Redrich: WHAT CAPITALS
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September 19th, 2009 at 1:47
@tom: Seems like you are obsessed with the supposed Lily Whiteness of Numero Uno Liar Carla Tevez! He lied, he always lied and he keeps lying. But then people like you believe him – the mind boggles
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September 19th, 2009 at 1:48
@Cyclops-Red: I know mate, and it is killing me
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September 19th, 2009 at 1:48
@Grognard: Grog, I find your Avatar a little hard to see mate.
Try this for more options.
September 19th, 2009 at 1:58
haha swear all you like lads you won’t get any f****** c*** s****** p****** foul f****** mother f****** language out of me :
although I think I said shit once…errr sorry
September 19th, 2009 at 2:01
Craig i’ve already stated that i’m a tevez fan. i bacame a fan of the player in the 06 wc when he got some play time for argentina. i enjoyed seeing a player fight for every ball and play the game at a high tempo. i’m not sure why you are so sure why you think he’s a liar if your opinion like mine is based on reports. do you know tevez personally. based on some of the reports just about everybout lies. often people in reports have to skirt around the truth to avoid giving the impression of disunity. beck’s ferguson, adeboyar-wegner. i’m a united fan but it doesnt mean i have to support owners who have placed the club in a uncertain financial position.
September 19th, 2009 at 2:08
@RedDave:
Thanks for reminding us again!!
September 19th, 2009 at 2:17
@RedDave:
, I understood every expletive in your post Dave – and some even I wouldn’t use 
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September 19th, 2009 at 2:25
Its going to be one hell of a humdinger of a derby game – the City players are talking to the media about smelling fear among our lads in the United camp. What they are going to do to us, and how they will be kings of Manchester and No1 when they do. Small club, small mentality, if they think one game makes them No1. SAF is mouthing off too, telling the press City won’t be No1 over United while he is alive
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September 19th, 2009 at 2:29
@tom: I have to ask you this question mate.
“How much is Tevez paying you to post this drivel today”. I honestly cannot believe that a United fan would come here and spout this almost unreadable crap (oops, sorry dave!!) about a complete non-entity like the WET DOG TEVEZ (thank you, Traverse).
It’s not just unbelievable, it’s strange.
September 19th, 2009 at 2:38
@Redrich:
no worries rich, try substituting it for “balls” or “pizzle” next time. l?
September 19th, 2009 at 2:40
thanks for the debate I’ve seen tonight lads, cheers.
September 19th, 2009 at 2:48
@Craig Mc: Lets hope Rooney stays out of trouble. If things start getting testy, I hope SAF throws a tantrum and diverts some of the angst away from the players.
We don’t need any more suspension mate, but I have to admit, I still like to watch a good “dust-up”.
September 19th, 2009 at 2:56
@RedDave:
I spout from a different form of the lingo mate, but the idea of using the term “unreadable balls”, does boggle my mind! 
September 19th, 2009 at 4:35
@Andrei: the difference between ronaldo and tevez is that ronaldo was feking good enough… tevez was not. he could sit like owen is doing right now or he could fek off he chose to fek off good for him then he talked shit. ronaldo wanted to go and he went and had nothing bad to say after and when he is done with madrid we will take him back.
September 19th, 2009 at 10:25
The truth is that Tevez was a good player for us in the first season when he was pretty much an automatic starter. Ferguson then started favouring Berbatov and rather than fight for his place Tevez went to pieces. Yes Ferguson was wrong to drop Tevez so quickly especially after his pre-season form. But Tevez just couldn’t deal with being dumped by Fergie and I think that messed with his game so he blew the chances he did get last season.
If Tevez was honest with himself and put his massive ego to one side he would realise that he just wasn’t good enough in his second season to justify the transfer fee his owners wanted. Football is not a charity, it is a business.
The one thing I would say about Tevez is that he is not a mercenary. Any other player would have been quite happy to double his salary at City. The truth is he is bitter because he got dumped. Some people just cannot handle rejection:
What is the expression?
“Hell hath no fury like a girly-man scorned”
September 19th, 2009 at 10:32
Tevez can fuck off for all I care. The disillusional gorrillah must be one of the players I hate most in the world right now. Alright, he did well for this club. Alright, he worked his ass off. But that is history now. For all his hard work, in the last season he created a bad atmosphere with the players and staff. Going out in the press and practically telling Fergie to fuck off is unforgiveable. Somebody please bring a pig-head there on Sunday and throw it at him!!!
September 19th, 2009 at 10:59
@colver: You need to get your facts right Colver mi man, CARLA wasn’t dumped! He was offered a perfectly dood deal, the deal that was agreed at the beginning of his loan signing. His greedy slave owners started to DOUBLE the figures, and Moneybags City ended up paying 47 million quid. Nowhere is Tevez worth that kind of money! Tevez himself ADMITTED he went because of the fantastic financial deal City were prepared to pay. So please don’t give us any of the he fells UPSET, he was dumped etc. He was the one who in the end dumped himself OVER AT CITY mate!
September 19th, 2009 at 13:26
So that Craig Bellamy eh…
i seriously can’t wait to see this game.
September 19th, 2009 at 15:33
@colver: He played for West Ham. If that isn’t mercenary then I don’t know what is!
September 19th, 2009 at 15:47
@Dan: Grognard over here has foulmouthed Fergie million times (and in worse terms) more than tevez has done! When are you going to shoot him???
tevez has a genuine problem with fergie who tried his best to end his career. let those two sort it out amongst themselves…
September 19th, 2009 at 16:01
@jos: Grognard has never lied about fergie, grognard has never tried to turn the media against fergie, grognard has never gone to a rival club.
To compare tevez to grognard is like comparing jack the ripper to someone who swats flies. Its stupid and just plain wrong.
If tevez was good enough, he would have started all those games last season, its as simple as that. Tevez wasnt, so he didnt.
September 19th, 2009 at 16:18
how many goals has this guy vermelen scored for l’arse already!!!
is he a striker?
September 19th, 2009 at 16:23
@Dan: an incredible post!!!
So grog is never wrong! What were your legendary fights with him all about?
He is occassionally wrong about fergie. He also is not famous enough to turn the media (though he tried his best over here on this blog) and he supports a rival club (Bayern – rivals in europe) and admittedly has a very very soft corner for Chelsea!
its not a effort to compare grog with tevez though! the two are class apart
tevez only has a prob with fergie (just like occassionally grog has a prob with fergie – notably with his team selection). let it rest there… why shud the supporters come in between?
September 19th, 2009 at 17:50
@jos: Get of it! You are starting to make a prat of your self!
When has grognard ever tried to “turn” us against fergie? Tell me please.
Saying fergie is a stubborn old man for starting the likes of neville and scholes is warranted.
But he has never called fergie liar, never.
Tell me this, why is it ok for tevez to keep talking about united when he doesnt play for us any more? Atleast if grognard was anything like tevez, he would still be a fan.
Tevez has no connections with this club, none whatsoever, so he should keep his ugly mouth shut.
September 19th, 2009 at 17:51
@Redrich: How do you like my avatar now mate? It’s the one I originally went with a year ago but then the avatars stopped showing up on my computer because of my web browser. Now that I have changed browsers I too can see them too. I liked that painting of Cantona but you are right, it was hard to see. I have a bigger version of it that I use as my wallpaper on my iMac so I’ll be content with that. As long as there are great photos of the King I can use to represent myself with, I’m happy. Oh and thanks for the link to those photos although I had them bookmarked, copied and stored into my system a long time ago.
September 19th, 2009 at 17:53
@jos: You bring up some very interesting points. I find it funny that people assume tevez is lying, when they don’t really know the facts. Let’s be clear about this, I’m not claiming to know the facts eaither. I just know that something went on between fergie and tevez to make him act this way. And I’m sorry but quotes in the media aren’t enough to go on for us to know the complete story.
At the end of the day fergie is the boss, and what he says goes. But I refuse to belive that SAF is an angel and handled the situation perfectly. Tevez is to blame for running his mouth, but it takes 2 to tango so fergie must have played his part as well
September 19th, 2009 at 18:03
love watching carragher play, he is worthless now a days. But because he is mr Liverpool he is never dropped
September 19th, 2009 at 18:22
@colver: I totally agree with you assumption here mate. I in fact predicted this was going to happen before last season started when i heard the strong rumors of us going after Berbatov. No player who values his own abilities as a starter would welcome being demoted to the bench without even being given a chance to fight for his place. Fergie went after Berbatov because he felt that even though Tevez had a good year before, he still wasn’t good enough in Fergie’s eyes. The player just was not prolific enough, had the first touch of an old woman in a wheelchair and couldn’t pass the lick nor beat that same wheelchair clad old lady in a race. The problem is that Tevez and many blind and faithful followers of the Apache were not aware of these weaknesses. What they saw was a player who worked extremely hard, played with a lot of energy and ran his socks off in games and also showed the commitment and passion to the club that one would be proud to see. Sorry Tevez fans, NOT GOOD ENOUGH. Tevez had meat hooks for legs and shit for brains and this cost him his starting spot and eventually his tenure at United.
Before he started to go on his rampage of bitterness and lies, I actually did sympathize with him because he still had value and he did offer the team something that was necessary. He was the exact opposite of Berbatov and when injected into a game, he would often galvanize and awaken the team as he did last season in our outstanding 4-2 comeback victory vs Spurs. Not a super sub when it comes to scoring goals but he did inject energy and attitude into a game and he did have a tendency to score late game winners. So as much as he never scored a lot of goals (especially for a striker), he did score big goals.
This attitude and this ability to be clutch made me like the player even though I personally dreamed of players like Huntelaar, Pogrebnyak or even Berbatov coming to the team and taking over. I did know this one thing. No way was he going to be the kind of team player like a Fletcher or O’Shea that would take to being benched in favor of a player that worked very little and was as languid as Berba. Hell, he wouldn’t have accepted the role had Messi been his replacement. Fergie’s big mistake right then and there was keeping him. Even with a year to go on his loan deal, Fergie should have found a way to get rid of him as he should have known that the player would react like this. He’s a proud Argentine who believes in his abilities and who demands the manager show the same faith and loyalty in him as he has shown in the team.
The all the articles started coming out about Gill promising to offer Tevez a large contract to stay. Months passed and no offer was made and Tevez began to feel he was being played with. Well to be honest and truthful, he was. His poor start and inability to score goals started to make Fergie wonder if he was truly worth the kind of investment it would take to get him under contract. All of a sudden Tevez would begin talking to the media and saying things. Then as the season was coming to an end and when he didn’t start in the Champions League final, Tevez had finally had enough. Although he was never the brightest apple to fall of his family tree, he wasn’t so stupid that he could not see what was going on. United wanted him, but they wanted him at a huge cut price. In fact they planted the info out there to that there was a claus in his personal services contract that would allow him to leave for free and then sign for United. Tevez would not bite. He felt his loyalty to the sleeze bag Joorabchian was more important than his loyalty to United and especially to Fergie. All of a sudden he turned with a vengeance and started to threaten and make statements of feeling rejected and disrespected. He could not see that what was at the root of all this was the over priced inflated price tag placed on his big toe by his owner and that he was clearly not worth half the amount. So as far as his anger and bitterness is concerned, he can totally go to Hell and fuck right off as far as I am concerned. The day he started to lie and bad mouth Ferguson is the day I turned on him. And he just refuses to quit, which leads me to one conclusion. Carlos Tevez loved United and the fans but his problem in life is that he is one of those that wants his cake and wants to eat it too. He wanted to stay with the club but he also wanted the team to pay big money to get him and then big money to pay him. And I ask you all for what? The man is a legend in his own mind. An overrated semi talented ugly little wet dog of a man who just can’t understand why he was seen as expendable. You don’t have to always agree or like what the Boss does, but you always must respect the Boss. And you never ever stab the man in the back. When he did that, he was officially dead to the majority of United fans who used to look upon Carlito with fondness.
September 19th, 2009 at 18:33
@jos: I have been a loud and very harsh critic of Fergie and I have also been quite mean spirited about it but I cannot recall a time i was foul mouthed towards him. I am also a pleb, a fan a supporter of the team who pays to watch his team play and who never gets a dime in return for his loyalty. I have the right to say whatever I want about the man but even I use some decorum and restraint from getting to crude or rude. Beyond my current feeling for the job he is doing (or not doing), I have a deep rooted respect and love for the man and have praised him in the past as much or more than I have criticized him.
Fergie is a man we all should love and respect but as fans of the club and as supporters who spend their money to watch the club or buy the licensed merchandise, we have a right as consumers to make demands and ask questions of our team. And the buck stops with the manager 99% of the time. When it comes to abuse from fans, Ferguson and United are public domain and not immune to it. Quite often they deserve it too. But former players and coaches or employees of the team should never ever come out and insult the man like Tevez has. Tevez had the privilege to work under the man, not watch him on tv thousands of miles away like myself. He had a professional relationship and a working understanding with the man and had to play by his rules. I don’t. So get of your high horse and stop pointing ridiculously unfair fingers at me and comparing me to Carlos Tevez or you will receive the Grognard’s wrath at ten times the volume he has ever given it to Fergie. you mate, are way out of line with that comparison.
September 19th, 2009 at 18:35
@Dan: Thanks for that Dan. Greatly appreciate the words of wisdom and common sense. Some people on here have just got it out for me because they simply just don’t get what I am about? It’s hurtful and vindictive.
September 19th, 2009 at 18:40
@jos: Pal you basically compared me to Tevez and insinuated in no uncertain terms that I was as much a traitor and a prick as he was because I dare question Ferguson’s squad selection and tactics? Are you fucking serious man?
Get fucking real and shut the fuck up already. You are way out of line and you have offended me to no end. For the years I have been on this site and for the care and energy I give writing and posting my feeling on my beloved United, I deserve a hell of a lot more understanding and respect than what you have shown me today. 
I had many an argument with my own father where I might have said even worse things than I have said about Fergie, but I challenge you to tell me that I never loved and respected my father. Well thought out and valid criticism is not a sign of betrayal. Or don’t you understand the difference?
September 19th, 2009 at 18:47
@Dan: Again thanks for the support mate but let me correct you right there. Sorry to inform you but I have called Fergie a liar. I called him a liar who protects the Glazer’s when it comes to the truth about what happened to the Ronaldo money. So I am not immune to crossing the line but the point here is that I unlike Tevez hav ethat right. Again, I am just a supporter who is not paid by the club or was paid by the club and who doesn’t have to follow strict rules of decorum or who has had a working and professional relationship with the man. And even though I have called him a liar in that one instant (because I honestly believe he is keeping the truth from us), that does not mean that I hate the man, and want to show him disrespect or lack of loyalty like Tevez. I love, respect and greatly admire and appreciate the man and all he has done for us. But like a spoilt son or daughter, I want daddy to buy me more stuff and so sometimes I will have a fit or even question him. Just wanted to clear that one up for you so that I don’t come across like a saint because I clearly am not.
September 19th, 2009 at 18:52
@Johnsom33: It’s not about him lying. You miss the point mate. It’s about his needing to move on with his life and to leave things be. He needs to grow up and stop acting like a scorned woman and to stop bad mouthing Ferguson regardless of what’s happened. None of us will never know what happened because Ferguson will never tell and because Tevez can’t write. He has acted like a king sized horses ass up to now and it’s just time to accept his millions with Shitty and just shut the frak up already. Once he does that, we’ll all leave him alone. I for one am not bitter about him leaving as I don’t think he was worth half of what the asking price for him was. I never wake up in the middle of the night in a cold sweat screaming out the name CARLITO. Instead it happens quite often with the name RONALDO at the end of it. Good riddance to sad rubbish I say.
September 19th, 2009 at 18:57
@Grognard: I always respect your opinion on the tevez situation because unlike others you actually attrmp to see the saga from both sides. The one I will bring up is that I think people underplay the joorabchians hand in all this. Too me he is the single biggest player in all this. People give tevez far too much credit in all this. Tevez didn’t slap the 25m on his head, joorabchians did. And another thing that is constantly glossed over, the muppets in our front office actually agreed with that valuation when they first signed the loam deal. So come to the end of the 2 years it’s was obvious to everyone he wasn’t worth the 25m. There is a very tiny group of strikers who are worth that much, and as much as I like the little guy he isn’t worth anything close to that. But I digress…
Joorabchian is a business man, who is only concerned with money, he couldn’t give a toss about United or Tevez for that matter. He just knee that he had a signed piece of paper that said Tevez would stay at United for 25m, and wasn’t gonna let him go for a penny less. He was lucky that Citeh came in with the huge offer, because I don’t think his stance would have been as tough if he didn’t already have am eager buyer.
My point is this, Tevez wanted to stay more than anything. Fergie wanted him to stay, just not at that price. So tevez really didn’t have any say so in the matter he was just stuck in the middle of all this.
The part where I do hold tevez responsible is for his constant bad mouthing since he left. I understand he was frustrated with the whole thing, but he really should be grateful. I mean he started and won a CL final with his dream club for fucks sake. How many players can say that?
This while situation is a painful reminder that football is a business first.
September 19th, 2009 at 19:28
@RedDave: to me booing the twat is not all about the badmouth he had on SAF but on the other hand, to make him feel the heat, that’s the use of home advantage mate, not so? for the fans to make the environment as hard as possible for the vistors provided it’s within the laws in the book and as far as am concerned, booing isn’t prohibited.
and what the hell makes him think that we are going to give him a warm welcome. fuckin hell men, that’s takin us for granted…
He chose to depart us let’s also show him that we can do away without him. the palyers will do their part on the pitch in showing him that and us fans will do our stuff in the terraces to give support to our lads as we make life a hell for him.
September 19th, 2009 at 19:31
@Grognard: Much better mate.
It’s good to see our #7 being represented by a true legend!!
September 19th, 2009 at 19:35
@Johnsom33:
September 19th, 2009 at 19:39
@Grognard: It’s a amazing to me when I hear talk about United this year, and their prospects without “Ronaldo and Tevez”.
Like they could even be mentioned in the same sentence is outrageous to me, but to assume Tevez even contributed much, if anything, last year, is a complete misrepresentation of the facts!!
September 19th, 2009 at 19:41
am the the pretty illusionist:
Man Utd 3 Shitty 1
fuck that own goal by Red Nev
September 19th, 2009 at 19:47
@Johnsom33: I felt that same way too, when it all started to come out. But Tevez’ actions made it obvious that it was really just about the money, and his idiotic banterings and lies that followed, just showed us all what kind of character the man truly has.
He has created this situation for himself and now will have to bear the brunt of the United faithful!!
September 19th, 2009 at 20:13
@Johnsom33: OK, I agree with you here except for one major point. As much as Jooorabchian was the puppet master here (and an ugly puppet he was too), Tevez could have agreed to his own personal financial package after there was an agreement between Joorabchian and United. But he didn’t. He was a bench player and a guy scored 4 league goals last year and he felt the pay package that was offered him was not good enough. Now I ask you, is that Joorabchian’s fault? No, it’s Tevez fault because United could have offered him the grand palace in Dubai and he would have turned it down on principle because he was flaming mad and pissed off with Fergie for the way he felt he was treated. So as i see it, it still falls back onto Carlito’s lap. I do not feel it was greed, but spite that made him not resign with us. And then he starts to bitch about it and cry like he was not given a chance to stay where he was happy. Happy shmappy, he was miserable because his ego would not allow him to accept the role of a squad player. A simple case of delusional star syndrome I think.
September 19th, 2009 at 20:17
@Redrich: Thanks a lot Red. Much appreciated. If it was up to me I wished their was a way for a series of photos to change day by day without having to actually perform the function. Like a slide show. I have dozens of great photos of the King and I would like to use them all but I just get lazy about going back to Gravatar, logging in and doing that day after day. But the current avatar is my favorite one by far.
September 19th, 2009 at 20:18
Plz Vidic,break the legs of Tevez and get ban for 3 games….
September 19th, 2009 at 20:20
@Redrich: BINGO! Well said. Tevez will be forgotten completely by season’s end as I feel Owen is a more than capable replacement for him. But to think we can come close to our previous greatness with aging players and no Ronaldo is folly at best. Ronaldo was a god for us and he just isn’t replaceable. But, and this is a big but…….WE SHOULD HAVE TRIED.
September 19th, 2009 at 20:22
@owen: Please Owen…. Play atleast a minute!
September 19th, 2009 at 20:22
@Jay Jay: Without Yabbadabbador and Robinho in the lineup I think Shitty will struggle. United will win 1-0 or 2-0 with some counter attacking goals. I say 2-0 with Rooney and Owen to score. And people say I am always negative…..
September 19th, 2009 at 20:26
@Darth Red Diablo: I agree. It’s time to give Owen a start and some real playing time. I feel that Shitty’s defense is very shaky, even in those games where they had clean sheets. Lets expose their back four with some speed and a player who plays on the shoulder of the last defender and can pounce on a great through ball from Fletcher, Giggs, Anderson or Carrick. Shitty like to attack so fast forwards on the counter like Rooney and Owen can destroy them. Now does Fergie see this also?
September 19th, 2009 at 21:06
I played man city today in championship manager. They got fucked over 7-0, and rooney wasnt even playing.
Thats a sign if i ever saw one.
Only thing is, de rossi was in my side. But fletcher is as good as de rossi in terms of defending anyway so its all good.
September 19th, 2009 at 21:47
@Dan: For all the times I have been critical of Fergie, I have to give him credit about one thing. He is right not to pursue a world class DMF like De Rossi because he in fact has a player in Darren Fletcher who has truly come on like gangbusters in the last twelve months. If Fletcher could actually discover a dangerous long range shot, he would be the complete package. And we hopefully have the already world class Hargreaves returning soon as well. For all our problems and need to replace Ronaldo, I only really see the need for an attacking midfielder as the missing piece to the puzzle.
September 19th, 2009 at 21:54
@Grognard: Agreed.
Fergie showed faith in fletcher when 99% of fans would have sold him by now. I sold fletcher to some spanish team for £8mil afterwards.
This is why fergie is king.
Btw, Owen got a hat-trick, and berbatov got one or two as well
Owens top goalscorer in the league to 
valencia got a goal, and i think arda turan got one to.
September 19th, 2009 at 22:05
@Johnsom33: Your in complete disagreement with SAF, who has just today come out to the press and said “Tevez is the stooge of his agent, AND this is common thing with MOST Argentine players. Their agent play far too much a part in their lives.” Is Fergie making this up – NO, I remember him saying exactly the same thing about Heinze, that United weren’t just dealing with Heinze, but when Argentine players HAVE A SPELL OF BAD FORM, or for tactical or team reasons they are left out of the 1st team, it isn’t long before their AGENTS are not just looking BUT PUSHING for transfers to new clubs for them! SAF should know, after all he is dealing with these OBSESSIVE agents, running the complete lives of the players – Now that is SLAVERY!.
September 19th, 2009 at 22:21
I am truly dreading Valencia strating in tomorrow’s game if he is picked. I think he is too used to playing for a team like Wigan, where losing is part of the fabric of that club. He doesn’t have a winning mentality as far as I am concerned. He has no fire in his belly to win. He rarely shows passion, and when he is against a defender/s who are as fast as he is, and keep pace with him HE QUITS. I feckin hate that – sorry RedDave there goes another expletive
. He reminds me of Bellion, all pace but NO determination to win. What a soggy dish cloth eh? Giggsy should play on the left and Nani on the right. I think you’ll find that SAF plays exactly the same team as the one at Spurs, with Carrick in Scholesy place, and Wes Brown or Johnny Evans in Rio’s place. I think Wes Brown should be at Rt back though, because his tackling is more fierce than John O’Shea, although I do like Big John O’Shea!
September 19th, 2009 at 22:56
@Craig Mc: Craig, I think it’ll be Nani and Park, with Evra and O’Shea staying at home to protect from their counter. Fletcher and Ando/or Giggs in MF.
September 19th, 2009 at 23:36
@Redrich: Valencia is always better then park. Always, even when hes off form.
And i want bloody de laet at RB!
September 19th, 2009 at 23:37
Night night, dont let the ugly twat bite.
Seriously, you might catch something.
September 19th, 2009 at 23:41
@Dan: Not lately IMO. Valencia seems to want too much time to release the ball and usually wastes a promising attack.
If Park can stay on his feet, he’ll be able to get behind the City line and at least put in the cross.
Not ideal, but better than Valencia right now!
September 20th, 2009 at 0:11
@Grognard: “I only really see the need for an attacking midfielder as the missing piece to the puzzle.”
akemAndersonhaa cough cough
September 20th, 2009 at 0:13
@Jay Jay: I understand what you’re saying Jay Jay, but the best, most classiest way of getting to Tevez, for me, would be for united to skin “citeh” alive tomorrow.
If he is fit, booing him might motivate him to play better (and Ronaldo was a great exponent in showing us just what to do when people boo and THAT involved running down the pitch and sticking one in the stanchion) and he might also get nasty and end up injuring someone like Rooney as well because he’ll fight, and no amount of rotation can fix that problem. I’d hate to see us without more great players (granted…tevez contribution is highly debatable)
I want to beat them because they’re “citeh” not because they are Tevez and it does sound now like many of us view them as being purely about him.
Blue ketchup, MFI stadium, Kippax (whatever the f*** that is) referring to us as “munichs”…
I just don’t care about the lad anymore but I still can appreciate his small contribution to united.
My point is you can seethe and hate him without booing.
September 20th, 2009 at 0:16
@Craig Mc: Thanks for caring about the expletives, you’re a f****** legend lad
September 20th, 2009 at 0:30
@Craig Mc: not quite sure what I’m in disagreement about.
September 20th, 2009 at 1:03
@Craig Mc: This is what happens when you have no education and you come out of the slums. Some smooth talking opportunist convinces you that he can do for you what you cannot do for yourself. Next thing you know, you don’t have an agent but you are tied to a personal services contract. In other words, you are a commodity to be bought and sold and are treated like a total piece of meat. In this I do feel sorry for Tevez because he was so unfortunate as to get involved with Joorabchian and frankly didn’t know better. But no matter what his relationship is with that asshole, it never excuses the way he acted after he left the team. I hope he plays tomorrow so that he get a rude awakening to the realities of the world.
September 20th, 2009 at 1:05
@Craig Mc: I totally agree. This guy hasn’t got half the daring do that Nani has and he does have a losing mentality. Lets not forget that Ecuador is not a football power either. Youhit it on the nail when you said he quits on a play to easily.
September 20th, 2009 at 1:07
@Dan: I have a feeling Park might start because Fergie will think it important to shut down the overrated and totally useless SWP.
September 20th, 2009 at 1:09
@gator: In your statement you had the words “PUZZLE” and “ANDERSON”. Two words that go very well together. And as long as that boy continues to be a “PUZZLE”, consider the need to buy an attacking midfielder vital.
September 20th, 2009 at 1:13
@RedDave:
, I wish RedDave, I wish 
.
September 20th, 2009 at 1:20
@RedDave: Fergie expects us to give CARLA a hostile reception – and he has warned CARLA to expect one. SAF still believes TEVEZ is trying to CON the United fans to support him against SAF by LYING thru his back teeth about his defection to Wastelands! I won’t disappoint the boss! SAF had enough to put up with, when United Numptee fans were booing him for subbing Tevez
. Disgraceful, hope we never ever see SAF boo-ed again at OT, can’t believe the mindless mentality of those United fans, or so called who did that.
September 20th, 2009 at 1:24
@Grognard: Yeah Grog, at the moment from what I have seen, I cannot see what possessed SAF to buy Tosic or Valencia. Maybe they will come good at some point, but I am very unsure and unimpressed with them to really believe that!
September 20th, 2009 at 1:35
Bloody hell that shower from Wastelands are on £9000 bonus to beat United tomorrow! The sooner those Arabs run out of oil, the better
.£9000 each man that it!
September 20th, 2009 at 2:07
@RedDave: Dave, mate, how do you seethe and hate??
September 20th, 2009 at 2:15
@Craig Mc: That’s just about enough for a round of drinks at the local night club, and loose change for the oil sultans.
If they, indeed, paid 45m for Tevez, then this should come across as an insult to the citeh players. What a load of cash cows they are!!
September 20th, 2009 at 2:19
@Redrich:
You do it by standing up like man and facing whatever it is you hate, face to face, not from the comfort and security of a stand surrounded by several thousand mates booing. You announce it and mean it and explain it and face the consequences, otherwise you ignore him and you cheer out team louder.
September 20th, 2009 at 2:25
@Craig Mc: I don’t think we’ve seen enough yet to form a firm opinion.
Tosic has hardly played with the first team at all and remains a mystery to me. Valencia may well need some time to settle in, but I, too, am unimpressed with what I’ve seen so far.
I think Valencia needs to be sat down for a while to let him accustom his skill set with what is required at OT. Let him work on a few fundamentals that separate success with United and teams like …..Wigan!!
September 20th, 2009 at 3:06
@RedDave: Ok. Fair enough, but by that logic it should apply to other footballers too (not just ex-United players). I’m sure you would have booed opposition Liverpool players too, for instance. Or do you really seethe by cheering your side regardless of any player?
September 20th, 2009 at 3:18
@Red Ranter:
That’s exactly it RR, I put my passion into getting behind our lads and it takes care of everything and anyone.
I might have booed people as a young lad but I changed.
All the best!
September 20th, 2009 at 4:21
@RedDave: I’m sorry, Dave, but I just can’t take you seriously any more. That was the most modeling, sweet stuff I’ve heard in decades.
I know a good high road for you, and when you get to the top, do me a favor…..
….jump off the side of the mountain!
September 20th, 2009 at 6:21
@Craig Mc: I often disagree with Fergie and I’ll even get mad at him but the fact is I love the man and I would personally beat the shit out of somebody that booed him if I were drunk enough at a game. He’s not perfect and he deserves to be criticized and questioned but he deserves loyalty and respect and you know, after twenty fantastic years, he deserves our love and adoration too. So I sincerely hope that United fans send Carlito straight to Hell.
September 20th, 2009 at 6:22
@Craig Mc: True but then again, we never got his infatuation with Fletcher either. And he has proven us wrong there. But he hasn’t proven us wrong when it comes to Anderson or Park. Well at least not yet.
September 20th, 2009 at 6:26
@Redrich: I agree about Valencia. He needs to be broken in slowly. He is not used to the pressure and expectations that come with being a United player. In time he may start being more aggressive but right now, he is to timid or cautious on the ball and that is not what we bought him for. I’d rather have Park falling on his ass all over the place but at least working hard. Did I say that? Forget I said that.
September 20th, 2009 at 20:19
@Redrich:
That’s just how I am kid…sorry if if you find it hard to take seriously and I was not alone today it was never unanimous booing.
Great win though eh?
September 20th, 2009 at 22:39
LOL@the Tevez fan boys earlier on in this getting upset that their hero might be getting booed
He got booed because he turned down a permanent contract with us for more money at City (who are one of our biggest rivals), he has bad mouthed SAF etc since the transfer and has had no class or dignity.
If you think that warranted cheers, get the hell out of our club. yes he ran around like a headless chicken for two years but two years is not long enough to outdo all the wrong he did since last season.
and yes i booed him today and yes i loved it.
and the only other ex player i have booed is ince
and no i won’t be booing ronaldo if he ever returns
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