Sep 18
Tevez expects ‘good reception’ at derby – yeah, right!
while, in other news, the pigs from Orwell’s Animal farm flew around the earth.
Carlos Tevez seems rather confident that he will get a good reception at Old Trafford (assuming he shakes off his injury and makes it). “I expect to have a good reception. While at United, I always gave my best and I had good relations with the fans,” he said. “They know I did everything while at Old Trafford to try to score the goals that would help the team win matches, so I don’t know why I should have a bad reception. What will I do if I score a goal? Well, I will be glad, but I don’t think too much about that right now.”
He seems to have ignored a minor detail — of his behaviour and public pronouncements of bitterness that have more than soured any good he may have done on the pitch for us. And for most part of last season, running around like a frightened hobbit and moaning to the press about his ‘mistreatment’ were the highlights.
Many United fans backed him even, in my opinion disgracefully, booing Ferguson for the Argentine’s sake. I hope, if it’s not booing, then at least a hostile reception should be in store for him.
Speaking of Carlos Tevez…
For more such Tevez goodness, here.
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@colver: You need to get your facts right Colver mi man, CARLA wasn’t dumped! He was offered a perfectly dood deal, the deal that was agreed at the beginning of his loan signing. His greedy slave owners started to DOUBLE the figures, and Moneybags City ended up paying 47 million quid. Nowhere is Tevez worth that kind of money! Tevez himself ADMITTED he went because of the fantastic financial deal City were prepared to pay. So please don’t give us any of the he fells UPSET, he was dumped etc. He was the one who in the end dumped himself OVER AT CITY mate!
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So that Craig Bellamy eh…
i seriously can’t wait to see this game.
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@colver: He played for West Ham. If that isn’t mercenary then I don’t know what is!
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@Dan: Grognard over here has foulmouthed Fergie million times (and in worse terms) more than tevez has done! When are you going to shoot him???
tevez has a genuine problem with fergie who tried his best to end his career. let those two sort it out amongst themselves…
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@jos: Grognard has never lied about fergie, grognard has never tried to turn the media against fergie, grognard has never gone to a rival club.
To compare tevez to grognard is like comparing jack the ripper to someone who swats flies. Its stupid and just plain wrong.
If tevez was good enough, he would have started all those games last season, its as simple as that. Tevez wasnt, so he didnt.
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how many goals has this guy vermelen scored for l’arse already!!!
is he a striker?
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@Dan: an incredible post!!!
So grog is never wrong! What were your legendary fights with him all about?
He is occassionally wrong about fergie. He also is not famous enough to turn the media (though he tried his best over here on this blog) and he supports a rival club (Bayern – rivals in europe) and admittedly has a very very soft corner for Chelsea!
its not a effort to compare grog with tevez though! the two are class apart
tevez only has a prob with fergie (just like occassionally grog has a prob with fergie – notably with his team selection). let it rest there… why shud the supporters come in between?
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@jos: Get of it! You are starting to make a prat of your self!
When has grognard ever tried to “turn” us against fergie? Tell me please.
Saying fergie is a stubborn old man for starting the likes of neville and scholes is warranted.
But he has never called fergie liar, never.
Tell me this, why is it ok for tevez to keep talking about united when he doesnt play for us any more? Atleast if grognard was anything like tevez, he would still be a fan.
Tevez has no connections with this club, none whatsoever, so he should keep his ugly mouth shut.
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@Redrich: How do you like my avatar now mate? It’s the one I originally went with a year ago but then the avatars stopped showing up on my computer because of my web browser. Now that I have changed browsers I too can see them too. I liked that painting of Cantona but you are right, it was hard to see. I have a bigger version of it that I use as my wallpaper on my iMac so I’ll be content with that. As long as there are great photos of the King I can use to represent myself with, I’m happy. Oh and thanks for the link to those photos although I had them bookmarked, copied and stored into my system a long time ago.
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@jos: You bring up some very interesting points. I find it funny that people assume tevez is lying, when they don’t really know the facts. Let’s be clear about this, I’m not claiming to know the facts eaither. I just know that something went on between fergie and tevez to make him act this way. And I’m sorry but quotes in the media aren’t enough to go on for us to know the complete story.
At the end of the day fergie is the boss, and what he says goes. But I refuse to belive that SAF is an angel and handled the situation perfectly. Tevez is to blame for running his mouth, but it takes 2 to tango so fergie must have played his part as well
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love watching carragher play, he is worthless now a days. But because he is mr Liverpool he is never dropped
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@colver: I totally agree with you assumption here mate. I in fact predicted this was going to happen before last season started when i heard the strong rumors of us going after Berbatov. No player who values his own abilities as a starter would welcome being demoted to the bench without even being given a chance to fight for his place. Fergie went after Berbatov because he felt that even though Tevez had a good year before, he still wasn’t good enough in Fergie’s eyes. The player just was not prolific enough, had the first touch of an old woman in a wheelchair and couldn’t pass the lick nor beat that same wheelchair clad old lady in a race. The problem is that Tevez and many blind and faithful followers of the Apache were not aware of these weaknesses. What they saw was a player who worked extremely hard, played with a lot of energy and ran his socks off in games and also showed the commitment and passion to the club that one would be proud to see. Sorry Tevez fans, NOT GOOD ENOUGH. Tevez had meat hooks for legs and shit for brains and this cost him his starting spot and eventually his tenure at United.
Before he started to go on his rampage of bitterness and lies, I actually did sympathize with him because he still had value and he did offer the team something that was necessary. He was the exact opposite of Berbatov and when injected into a game, he would often galvanize and awaken the team as he did last season in our outstanding 4-2 comeback victory vs Spurs. Not a super sub when it comes to scoring goals but he did inject energy and attitude into a game and he did have a tendency to score late game winners. So as much as he never scored a lot of goals (especially for a striker), he did score big goals.
This attitude and this ability to be clutch made me like the player even though I personally dreamed of players like Huntelaar, Pogrebnyak or even Berbatov coming to the team and taking over. I did know this one thing. No way was he going to be the kind of team player like a Fletcher or O’Shea that would take to being benched in favor of a player that worked very little and was as languid as Berba. Hell, he wouldn’t have accepted the role had Messi been his replacement. Fergie’s big mistake right then and there was keeping him. Even with a year to go on his loan deal, Fergie should have found a way to get rid of him as he should have known that the player would react like this. He’s a proud Argentine who believes in his abilities and who demands the manager show the same faith and loyalty in him as he has shown in the team.
The all the articles started coming out about Gill promising to offer Tevez a large contract to stay. Months passed and no offer was made and Tevez began to feel he was being played with. Well to be honest and truthful, he was. His poor start and inability to score goals started to make Fergie wonder if he was truly worth the kind of investment it would take to get him under contract. All of a sudden Tevez would begin talking to the media and saying things. Then as the season was coming to an end and when he didn’t start in the Champions League final, Tevez had finally had enough. Although he was never the brightest apple to fall of his family tree, he wasn’t so stupid that he could not see what was going on. United wanted him, but they wanted him at a huge cut price. In fact they planted the info out there to that there was a claus in his personal services contract that would allow him to leave for free and then sign for United. Tevez would not bite. He felt his loyalty to the sleeze bag Joorabchian was more important than his loyalty to United and especially to Fergie. All of a sudden he turned with a vengeance and started to threaten and make statements of feeling rejected and disrespected. He could not see that what was at the root of all this was the over priced inflated price tag placed on his big toe by his owner and that he was clearly not worth half the amount. So as far as his anger and bitterness is concerned, he can totally go to Hell and fuck right off as far as I am concerned. The day he started to lie and bad mouth Ferguson is the day I turned on him. And he just refuses to quit, which leads me to one conclusion. Carlos Tevez loved United and the fans but his problem in life is that he is one of those that wants his cake and wants to eat it too. He wanted to stay with the club but he also wanted the team to pay big money to get him and then big money to pay him. And I ask you all for what? The man is a legend in his own mind. An overrated semi talented ugly little wet dog of a man who just can’t understand why he was seen as expendable. You don’t have to always agree or like what the Boss does, but you always must respect the Boss. And you never ever stab the man in the back. When he did that, he was officially dead to the majority of United fans who used to look upon Carlito with fondness.
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@jos: I have been a loud and very harsh critic of Fergie and I have also been quite mean spirited about it but I cannot recall a time i was foul mouthed towards him. I am also a pleb, a fan a supporter of the team who pays to watch his team play and who never gets a dime in return for his loyalty. I have the right to say whatever I want about the man but even I use some decorum and restraint from getting to crude or rude. Beyond my current feeling for the job he is doing (or not doing), I have a deep rooted respect and love for the man and have praised him in the past as much or more than I have criticized him.
Fergie is a man we all should love and respect but as fans of the club and as supporters who spend their money to watch the club or buy the licensed merchandise, we have a right as consumers to make demands and ask questions of our team. And the buck stops with the manager 99% of the time. When it comes to abuse from fans, Ferguson and United are public domain and not immune to it. Quite often they deserve it too. But former players and coaches or employees of the team should never ever come out and insult the man like Tevez has. Tevez had the privilege to work under the man, not watch him on tv thousands of miles away like myself. He had a professional relationship and a working understanding with the man and had to play by his rules. I don’t. So get of your high horse and stop pointing ridiculously unfair fingers at me and comparing me to Carlos Tevez or you will receive the Grognard’s wrath at ten times the volume he has ever given it to Fergie. you mate, are way out of line with that comparison.
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@Dan: Thanks for that Dan. Greatly appreciate the words of wisdom and common sense. Some people on here have just got it out for me because they simply just don’t get what I am about? It’s hurtful and vindictive.
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@jos: Pal you basically compared me to Tevez and insinuated in no uncertain terms that I was as much a traitor and a prick as he was because I dare question Ferguson’s squad selection and tactics? Are you fucking serious man?
Get fucking real and shut the fuck up already. You are way out of line and you have offended me to no end. For the years I have been on this site and for the care and energy I give writing and posting my feeling on my beloved United, I deserve a hell of a lot more understanding and respect than what you have shown me today. 
I had many an argument with my own father where I might have said even worse things than I have said about Fergie, but I challenge you to tell me that I never loved and respected my father. Well thought out and valid criticism is not a sign of betrayal. Or don’t you understand the difference?
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@Dan: Again thanks for the support mate but let me correct you right there. Sorry to inform you but I have called Fergie a liar. I called him a liar who protects the Glazer’s when it comes to the truth about what happened to the Ronaldo money. So I am not immune to crossing the line but the point here is that I unlike Tevez hav ethat right. Again, I am just a supporter who is not paid by the club or was paid by the club and who doesn’t have to follow strict rules of decorum or who has had a working and professional relationship with the man. And even though I have called him a liar in that one instant (because I honestly believe he is keeping the truth from us), that does not mean that I hate the man, and want to show him disrespect or lack of loyalty like Tevez. I love, respect and greatly admire and appreciate the man and all he has done for us. But like a spoilt son or daughter, I want daddy to buy me more stuff and so sometimes I will have a fit or even question him. Just wanted to clear that one up for you so that I don’t come across like a saint because I clearly am not.
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@Johnsom33: It’s not about him lying. You miss the point mate. It’s about his needing to move on with his life and to leave things be. He needs to grow up and stop acting like a scorned woman and to stop bad mouthing Ferguson regardless of what’s happened. None of us will never know what happened because Ferguson will never tell and because Tevez can’t write. He has acted like a king sized horses ass up to now and it’s just time to accept his millions with Shitty and just shut the frak up already. Once he does that, we’ll all leave him alone. I for one am not bitter about him leaving as I don’t think he was worth half of what the asking price for him was. I never wake up in the middle of the night in a cold sweat screaming out the name CARLITO. Instead it happens quite often with the name RONALDO at the end of it. Good riddance to sad rubbish I say.
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@Grognard: I always respect your opinion on the tevez situation because unlike others you actually attrmp to see the saga from both sides. The one I will bring up is that I think people underplay the joorabchians hand in all this. Too me he is the single biggest player in all this. People give tevez far too much credit in all this. Tevez didn’t slap the 25m on his head, joorabchians did. And another thing that is constantly glossed over, the muppets in our front office actually agreed with that valuation when they first signed the loam deal. So come to the end of the 2 years it’s was obvious to everyone he wasn’t worth the 25m. There is a very tiny group of strikers who are worth that much, and as much as I like the little guy he isn’t worth anything close to that. Â But I digress…
Joorabchian is a business man, who is only concerned with money, he couldn’t give a toss about United or Tevez for that matter. He just knee that he had a signed piece of paper that said Tevez would stay at United for 25m, and wasn’t gonna let him go for a penny less. He was lucky that Citeh came in with the huge offer, because I don’t think his stance would have been as tough if he didn’t already have am eager buyer.Â
My point is this, Tevez wanted to stay more than anything. Fergie wanted him to stay, just not at that price. So tevez really didn’t have any say so in the matter he was just stuck in the middle of all this.Â
The part where I do hold tevez responsible is for his constant bad mouthing since he left. I understand he was frustrated with the whole thing, but he really should be grateful. I mean he started and won a CL final with his dream club for fucks sake. How many players can say that?
This while situation is a painful reminder that football is a business first.Â
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@RedDave: to me booing the twat is not all about the badmouth he had on SAF but on the other hand, to make him feel the heat, that’s the use of home advantage mate, not so? for the fans to make the environment as hard as possible for the vistors provided it’s within the laws in the book and as far as am concerned, booing isn’t prohibited.
and what the hell makes him think that we are going to give him a warm welcome. fuckin hell men, that’s takin us for granted…
He chose to depart us let’s also show him that we can do away without him. the palyers will do their part on the pitch in showing him that and us fans will do our stuff in the terraces to give support to our lads as we make life a hell for him.
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@Grognard: Much better mate.
It’s good to see our #7 being represented by a true legend!!
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@Johnsom33:
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@Grognard: It’s a amazing to me when I hear talk about United this year, and their prospects without “Ronaldo and Tevez”.
Like they could even be mentioned in the same sentence is outrageous to me, but to assume Tevez even contributed much, if anything, last year, is a complete misrepresentation of the facts!!
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am the the pretty illusionist:
Man Utd 3 Shitty 1
fuck that own goal by Red Nev
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@Johnsom33: I felt that same way too, when it all started to come out. But Tevez’ actions made it obvious that it was really just about the money, and his idiotic banterings and lies that followed, just showed us all what kind of character the man truly has.
He has created this situation for himself and now will have to bear the brunt of the United faithful!!
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@Johnsom33: OK, I agree with you here except for one major point. As much as Jooorabchian was the puppet master here (and an ugly puppet he was too), Tevez could have agreed to his own personal financial package after there was an agreement between Joorabchian and United. But he didn’t. He was a bench player and a guy scored 4 league goals last year and he felt the pay package that was offered him was not good enough. Now I ask you, is that Joorabchian’s fault? No, it’s Tevez fault because United could have offered him the grand palace in Dubai and he would have turned it down on principle because he was flaming mad and pissed off with Fergie for the way he felt he was treated. So as i see it, it still falls back onto Carlito’s lap. I do not feel it was greed, but spite that made him not resign with us. And then he starts to bitch about it and cry like he was not given a chance to stay where he was happy. Happy shmappy, he was miserable because his ego would not allow him to accept the role of a squad player. A simple case of delusional star syndrome I think.
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@Redrich: Thanks a lot Red. Much appreciated. If it was up to me I wished their was a way for a series of photos to change day by day without having to actually perform the function. Like a slide show. I have dozens of great photos of the King and I would like to use them all but I just get lazy about going back to Gravatar, logging in and doing that day after day. But the current avatar is my favorite one by far.
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Plz Vidic,break the legs of Tevez and get ban for 3 games….
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@Redrich: BINGO! Well said. Tevez will be forgotten completely by season’s end as I feel Owen is a more than capable replacement for him. But to think we can come close to our previous greatness with aging players and no Ronaldo is folly at best. Ronaldo was a god for us and he just isn’t replaceable. But, and this is a big but…….WE SHOULD HAVE TRIED.
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@owen: Please Owen…. Play atleast a minute!
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@Jay Jay: Without Yabbadabbador and Robinho in the lineup I think Shitty will struggle. United will win 1-0 or 2-0 with some counter attacking goals. I say 2-0 with Rooney and Owen to score. And people say I am always negative…..
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@Darth Red Diablo: I agree. It’s time to give Owen a start and some real playing time. I feel that Shitty’s defense is very shaky, even in those games where they had clean sheets. Lets expose their back four with some speed and a player who plays on the shoulder of the last defender and can pounce on a great through ball from Fletcher, Giggs, Anderson or Carrick. Shitty like to attack so fast forwards on the counter like Rooney and Owen can destroy them. Now does Fergie see this also?
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I played man city today in championship manager. They got fucked over 7-0, and rooney wasnt even playing.
Thats a sign if i ever saw one.
Only thing is, de rossi was in my side. But fletcher is as good as de rossi in terms of defending anyway so its all good.
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@Dan: For all the times I have been critical of Fergie, I have to give him credit about one thing. He is right not to pursue a world class DMF like De Rossi because he in fact has a player in Darren Fletcher who has truly come on like gangbusters in the last twelve months. If Fletcher could actually discover a dangerous long range shot, he would be the complete package. And we hopefully have the already world class Hargreaves returning soon as well. For all our problems and need to replace Ronaldo, I only really see the need for an attacking midfielder as the missing piece to the puzzle.
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@Grognard: Agreed.
Fergie showed faith in fletcher when 99% of fans would have sold him by now. I sold fletcher to some spanish team for £8mil afterwards.
This is why fergie is king.
Btw, Owen got a hat-trick, and berbatov got one or two as well
Owens top goalscorer in the league to 
valencia got a goal, and i think arda turan got one to.
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@Johnsom33: Your in complete disagreement with SAF, who has just today come out to the press and said “Tevez is the stooge of his agent, AND this is common thing with MOST Argentine players. Their agent play far too much a part in their lives.” Is Fergie making this up – NO, I remember him saying exactly the same thing about Heinze, that United weren’t just dealing with Heinze, but when Argentine players HAVE A SPELL OF BAD FORM, or for tactical or team reasons they are left out of the 1st team, it isn’t long before their AGENTS are not just looking BUT PUSHING for transfers to new clubs for them! SAF should know, after all he is dealing with these OBSESSIVE agents, running the complete lives of the players – Now that is SLAVERY!.
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I am truly dreading Valencia strating in tomorrow’s game if he is picked. I think he is too used to playing for a team like Wigan, where losing is part of the fabric of that club. He doesn’t have a winning mentality as far as I am concerned. He has no fire in his belly to win. He rarely shows passion, and when he is against a defender/s who are as fast as he is, and keep pace with him HE QUITS. I feckin hate that – sorry RedDave there goes another expletive
. He reminds me of Bellion, all pace but NO determination to win. What a soggy dish cloth eh? Giggsy should play on the left and Nani on the right. I think you’ll find that SAF plays exactly the same team as the one at Spurs, with Carrick in Scholesy place, and Wes Brown or Johnny Evans in Rio’s place. I think Wes Brown should be at Rt back though, because his tackling is more fierce than John O’Shea, although I do like Big John O’Shea!
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@Craig Mc: Craig, I think it’ll be Nani and Park, with Evra and O’Shea staying at home to protect from their counter. Fletcher and Ando/or Giggs in MF.
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@Redrich: Valencia is always better then park. Always, even when hes off form.
And i want bloody de laet at RB!
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Night night, dont let the ugly twat bite.
Seriously, you might catch something.
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@Dan: Not lately IMO. Valencia seems to want too much time to release the ball and usually wastes a promising attack.
If Park can stay on his feet, he’ll be able to get behind the City line and at least put in the cross.
Not ideal, but better than Valencia right now!
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@Grognard: “I only really see the need for an attacking midfielder as the missing piece to the puzzle.”
akemAndersonhaa cough cough
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@Jay Jay: I understand what you’re saying Jay Jay, but the best, most classiest way of getting to Tevez, for me, would be for united to skin “citeh” alive tomorrow.
If he is fit, booing him might motivate him to play better (and Ronaldo was a great exponent in showing us just what to do when people boo and THAT involved running down the pitch and sticking one in the stanchion) and he might also get nasty and end up injuring someone like Rooney as well because he’ll fight, and no amount of rotation can fix that problem. I’d hate to see us without more great players (granted…tevez contribution is highly debatable)
I want to beat them because they’re “citeh” not because they are Tevez and it does sound now like many of us view them as being purely about him.
Blue ketchup, MFI stadium, Kippax (whatever the f*** that is) referring to us as “munichs”…
I just don’t care about the lad anymore but I still can appreciate his small contribution to united.
My point is you can seethe and hate him without booing.
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@Craig Mc: Thanks for caring about the expletives, you’re a f****** legend lad
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@Craig Mc: not quite sure what I’m in disagreement about.
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@Craig Mc: This is what happens when you have no education and you come out of the slums. Some smooth talking opportunist convinces you that he can do for you what you cannot do for yourself. Next thing you know, you don’t have an agent but you are tied to a personal services contract. In other words, you are a commodity to be bought and sold and are treated like a total piece of meat. In this I do feel sorry for Tevez because he was so unfortunate as to get involved with Joorabchian and frankly didn’t know better. But no matter what his relationship is with that asshole, it never excuses the way he acted after he left the team. I hope he plays tomorrow so that he get a rude awakening to the realities of the world.
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@Craig Mc: I totally agree. This guy hasn’t got half the daring do that Nani has and he does have a losing mentality. Lets not forget that Ecuador is not a football power either. Youhit it on the nail when you said he quits on a play to easily.
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@Dan: I have a feeling Park might start because Fergie will think it important to shut down the overrated and totally useless SWP.
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@gator: In your statement you had the words “PUZZLE” and “ANDERSON”. Two words that go very well together. And as long as that boy continues to be a “PUZZLE”, consider the need to buy an attacking midfielder vital.
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@RedDave:
, I wish RedDave, I wish 
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@RedDave: Fergie expects us to give CARLA a hostile reception – and he has warned CARLA to expect one. SAF still believes TEVEZ is trying to CON the United fans to support him against SAF by LYING thru his back teeth about his defection to Wastelands! I won’t disappoint the boss! SAF had enough to put up with, when United Numptee fans were booing him for subbing Tevez
. Disgraceful, hope we never ever see SAF boo-ed again at OT, can’t believe the mindless mentality of those United fans, or so called who did that.
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