Jul 05

That sinking feeling…of a Brazilian wonderkid

Tag: Paper Round-up @ 9:25 am

Following a quiet couple of weeks, everything seems to have exploded into action, with United now occupying every back page in the country.

Let’s start with the Guardian, where David Conn follows yesterday’s piece with a more in-depth analysis of the Glazers’latest plan by putting the Americans under the microscope yet again.

“The plan,” writes Conn “leaves a sinking feeling,” and United fans should wait before getting carried away with hope as “United will be registered in the Cayman Islands and traded in New York, but will remain controlled by one US family. Investors will be invited to buy A shares in the Cayman Islands holding company. They will carry 10 times less the voting rights of the B shares the Glazers will issue to themselves. Also there is no plan to pay dividends to the investors. They are asked to buy shares to trade, perhaps on a daily basis, in the expectation their value will increase as Manchester United, described as ‘one of the world’s leading brands,’ further exploits its commercial potential.”

BBC‘s sport editor agrees with the Guardian, as he explains that, despite their new floatation plan, “the Glazers are here to stay” and “that in future the club will continue to be owned by Malcolm Glazer and his ‘linear descendants’ – namely his five sons and one daughter.”

The Sun, as per usual, has a completely different, if more simplistic, view on the matter claiming that the proposed floatation on the New York Stock Exchange could offer Fergie the chance to “splash out”.

The tabloid also reports that Darren Fletcher is no nearer to a first team return and that Fergie fears the 28-year-old might never be fully fit again.

In transfer news, the Mirror and the Daily Mail both claim that United are determined to beat Real Madrid and Chelsea in the race to the signing of Sao Paulo wonderkid Lucas Moura, with both papers confirming that the 19-year-old Brazilian would cost in the region of £35m but that United are trying to secure a cheaper price.

Curiously, neither the Mirror nor the Mail point out at United’s dreadful traditions when it comes to signing Brazilian midfielders as both Kleberson and Anderson have been largely unsuccessful at the club.

Anderson might leave Old Trafford though, with the Mail reporting that Benfica are interested in signing the former Porto playmaker and that United could use the Brazilian as makeweight to snap up Axel Witsel, who’s also a target for Chelsea and Real Madrid.

And finally, the Mail strikes yet again dropping the bombshell of all bombshells claiming that United are ready to surprise rivals Manchester City and move for Robin Van Persie, after the Dutch striker revealed he won’t sign a contract extension with Arsenal.

In truth the paper has virtually nothing to back this theory up, as the article is a mere word-by-word report of Van Persie’s quotes, but it might get United fans dreaming for a while.

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  • Mirror also reports we’re trying a double deal for Ba and Tiote

  • I take all these transfer rumors with a pinch of salt.

    Although I wouldn’t put it past Fergie to take a punt on this Brazilian just to save on wages. That would be disastrous especially when you consider the fee involved.

    Van Persie is Manchester City bound I am sure with Dzeko and possibly Tevez sold to make room.

  • This will be controversial, but I would like to know your thoughts anyway! PSG filthy rich Qatar owners want to buy Wazza for 100 million, and other clubs in Italy want to buy Nani for 25 million plus. What are the chances of Man Utd shipping both players out, and bringing other top players in. I mean if the offer from PSG is genuine, does anybody think that Fergie will be tempted to let Wazza particularly go. Is Wazza loyal to Man Utd really underneath it all. I heard some folk say recently that they think Wazza is becoming like Rio much more interested in things outside of football, and that he appears bored and lackadaisical with his football these days. If PSG are genuine with their offer, would most of you on here be against United letting Wazza go, because we Wazza is not getting any better, and that kind on monetary offer will not come by again. So lads, would you point blank refuse to let Wazza go, or are you tempted enough to think about it? Just asking like! I think Fergie will be daft enough to let Lil man Nani go – and his magic and the unexpected goes with him. Fergie likes the Youngs of this world – sad sad sad! :-D

    • ash is the man

      @Craig Mc: wazza out- nani to stay :)

    • @Craig Mc: I would sell Rooney for £50 million, so £100 million I would definitely approve of.

      He is not the player he once was, and I can’t see him turning it around with his new lifestyle and mindset.

      • @Moscow: Thing is though Moscow, we would need to get somebody in who could get the goals as much as Wazza can get them, when he gets the right supply from the wings and MF players. I don’t think that will be easy, as top strikers who regularly convert are hard to come by, so it’s a conundrum eh? It was Nani who did the bizz for us when Wazza was injured for a while, at least til Wazza got back, but if Utd are messing Nani about, I can see why he has given them a 2 week ultimatum to decide. Nani is like Berba, loves United and everything about it, never rocks the boat, and yet both these guys feel they are being frozen out. Maybe it pays to be obnoxious and a loudmouth at OT – who knows?

        • @Craig Mc: With £100 million, I would buy a midfield powerhouse for £20 million, a creative playmaker for £30 million (Modric anyone?) and 2 world class strikers for a combined £50 million.

          Of course the prices might be a bit higher but we can use other player sales to fund these purchases. Switch to a 4-3-3 and kick some City arse.

        • @Moscow: Put your cv in to take the Managers job at OT when Sir Fergie retires Moscow mi man. And yes I am all for kicking some Man City arse :lol:

        • tonymontanna4united

          @Craig Mc: Heads would roll with moscow in charge :lol: Hes got my support.

        • @Moscow: even if rooney is sold for 100mn like you say,do you really think all that money will go to transfer budget?i mean i would rather keep him than sell him and lose all the money to glazers….

    • @Craig Mc: I would not mind selling Rooney if fergie invests all the 100 mil on players.

      And 25 mil for Nani is robbery.

    • tonymontanna4united

      @Craig Mc: I was watching premiership years a few days ago, and they went back to rooneys first year with us, that’d be the 04/05 season.
      Just such a different player to the one we see today. He looked confident, brash, silky and playing with a smile on his face like he was having a kick about with his mates down the park.
      You just dont see that from him these days.
      Nowadays he just seems to overthink everything rather than just doing whats natural to him. Hes also lost a hell of a lot of technique he once had, and i feel a yard of pace too.
      Hes still a top class player dont get me wrong, imo the best forward in the world other than ronnie and messi, but in a way its almost sad watching him back in his early days, because despite ultimately fulfilling his potential and becoming a great great player for us, i cant help but feel he had everything in his locker to go on and become just as good as ronaldo and messi.
      Really thats how much potential i felt he had.
      But anyway in answer to your question, well yes, for that sort of dough i would most definitely be prepared to sell him.
      I spoke about my reasons for this on the last thread. How i feel he looks pretty miserable and is starting to lose focus from his football to more off field activities (as you’ve mentioned).
      And that coupled to his sometimes lack of concern for fitness, makes me worry that were starting to see the beginning of the end for wayne.
      Not now, but in the next 18-24 months, when he’d likely be heading to his peak, i can see him starting to drift away sadly.
      So yeah £100m your talking about, well thats 2 world class midfielders (martinez and a top class holding midfielder), a striker to replace wazza, and still leaving you with some money in the pot.
      That is to say it would do if it was any other club than ours, as we all know exactly where a figure as big as £100m would be going, cough, glazer, cough.
      We’d probably be left with £30m tops, and be told by fergie that welbeck would step up and grab the goals for us (not that i dont rate welbeck to a degree, i just dont think he’ll ever be that key a player for us ever).
      So yeah in theory id say yes to such an offer if it ever materialised, but not with the circumstances being the way they are sadly.

      • tonymontanna4united

        @tonymontanna4united: Oh and no way to nani leaving. The lad doesnt get anywhere near the respect he bloody well deserves.
        Hes a flair player at the end of the day. Tell me another flair player in the world other than ronaldo and messi, who arent a bit inconsistent at times.
        Bale? Huh. Hes not half as consistent as nani, hes alot more one dimensional, and yet hes valued at £50m+.
        Pathetic. Agree with andy, £25m is bloody robbery, but sadly as i said on the other thread, i can actually see nani heading out of the club this summer sadly.
        Too perfect an opportunity to sell him, whilst averting blame for themselves, as nani, maybe naively, has been making certain comments to the press about his future, which im sure gill and co will spin to make it look like hes a greedy so and so who tried to hold the club to ransom so was let go.
        Bloody tradgedy if it happens. Nani is one of the few players left that actually excites me in this team anymore.

      • @tonymontanna4united: Mate we all know that 100 million for any player is a looney bid, but what do you think the true worth of Wazza is in your honest opinion, based on his goalscoring ability in PL, but looking also at his below performances always when playing on the big stage?

        • tonymontanna4united

          @Craig Mc: Well tbh as i said, i personally think rooney is the best forward in world football apart from messi and ronaldo.
          Hes a whole level below either of those 2 however.
          So bearing that in mind, id say a fair valuation would be something close to £50m ish imo.
          If we could get anymore than that however then happy days. But its really not something id ever contemplate at this moment in time, as we all know whatever money we got for him, approximately 75% would be sucked out within minutes due to glazer.

  • I think it is 25 mil plus, but no idea what the plus would be. Did you watch Nani in Spain game, Portugal would have won the game IF Ronnie had been able to convert the assists Nani and other Portugal players kept making for him so bloody often. I was really laughing when Nani pushed a Portugal player out of taking a penalty kick, because he was taking it out of the appointed order. It was Nani’s turn for his penalty kick, so he sent the Portugal player back to wait his turn. I was glad to see that Nani disposed of his penalty with consummate ease, otherwise there would have been a hullabaloo about sending the other player back to the touchline :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: . Lil man is totally brilliant every time he plays for Portugal, he loves playing for his country.

  • ash is the man

    the thing with rooney is he is sucked into his own hype, he believes he is actually better than he is and this has taken the edge off his game! Just look and all the nonsense he was saying about england being able to go all the way- and the very next game against italy he was totally anonymous! And rooney also showed his through colours when he held the club for ransom. So if we got 80-100 million then no problem I would sell him

    However he might just become a great player with kagawa behind him instead of partnering danny welbeck

  • So Bebe is coming back! YAYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

  • £100M for Rooney would be difficult to refuse. After all Rooney’s transfer value is at its peak and he doesn’t seem like the kinda player who will be able to play well into his 30s like Giggs and Scholes.

    We could replace Rooney with Llorente for around £30 million and then have £70 million left to buy Modric and Martinez. And we’d be twice the team!

  • ash is the man

    well whatever happens I hope we arent finished in the transfer market!!

  • Moscow, out of those players you mentioned as best in the world, viz Ronnie, Messie, and Wazza, why do you think these guys always fail to put in high class performances on the big stage. Ronnie and Wazza have failed in Europe and WC games to find any decent sort of performance, and Messi never does anything for Argentina. It can only be because the players they play with at club level, enhance the game of these 3 footballers, so that they manage to excel with their clubs! They get the credit, but the players around them at club level should get the plaudits for supply! :-D

    • @Craig Mc: I think you should be asking Tony, but my two cents are that Rooney has genuinely lost his edge, the hype has got to his head. He made his name as a world class player when he was playing up front, the Ronaldo and Messi comparisons were when he was scoring goals for fun as a lone striker in the 09/10 season. Nowadays he drops back into midfield to show off his Hollywood passing but it’s usually ineffective and only takes away his striking threat. He thinks he is the next coming of Zidane, NO YOU’RE NOT get in the flipping box Wayne! :lol:

      As for Ronaldo, yeah he was let down by his finishing against Spain but he is for me the best player in the world. He is the complete package and we can put down our CL success down to him. Nani was brilliant but so was Ronaldo for Portugal, he scored some crucial goals against Holland and the Czech Republic.

      As for Messi, he can’t perform at the same level without Xavi and Iniesta. Iniesta especially should get Ballon D’Or this year I feel despite Messi scoring 70+ goals last season.

      • @Moscow: OOPS :oops: :oops: slipped up there didn’t I :lol: . Thought I was replying to Tony’s post, but must have your name on the brain :lol: :lol: :lol: . I really must take more water with the ale :-D

  • Latest is that Fryers has left us for Tottenham.

    We need to rethink our youth policy. Times have changed. Players aren’t willing to wait their turn and earn pay rises.

    Either we abandon a youth policy and instead buy youngsters from other clubs once they are seasoned enough to immediately participate in the first team (EG Jones, Smalling, De Gea) OR we take the Arsenal approach and play youngsters before they are good enough in the hope that giving them regular games accelerates their progress.

    • @colver: Or we let players go who would rather chase coin than play for United. You think Fryers is going to earn more than Cleverley over his career? Short sighted. Maybe we need to start loaning players out younger so they get first team football sooner and maybe they’ll be better players sooner. Is Fryers going to start for Spurs? No, he’ll go out on loan the next 2 years. Pointless move in my eyes.

      • @Traverse: Trav, the under 19 European CL and other european champion football starts next year, then our lads will get plenty of experience from these comps. Provided United qualify for Europe, because only clubs who qualify for europe, qualify also to enter the under 19 european cup comps. What’s next in the FIFA EUFA money making game, under 19 world cup competitions – I can see it coming lol. Then I think they already have most of these comps going now!

    • @colver: Or we get rid of all the greedy money grabbing agents, whose whole ambition is to move the kids on so they can line their own pockets with the dough they make. I heard Pogba and Fryers only moved on because United would not pay the agents fees, and also the players were offered 15,000 per week, but 20,000 at Juve and supposedly spurs. I mean come on – a matter of 5,000 which would have been peanuts of what they would eventually get at United once the prove themselves. Juve and Spurs pay the 1st team players less than what United do. Its impatient agents who ill advise and want to keep money rolling in for their own pocket filling!

  • Agents ruin young footballers. Young footballers become short-sighted. Young footballers go to clubs who pay them the most (initially). Most young footballers do not make it big and end up getting paid 20K-40K/week at their peak rather than growing within a club and achieving long term earnings of 80-120K/week.

    Young footballers have bad parents and greedy agents. Football is in trouble.

    • @Opti:
      1. Ravel Morrison
      2. Paul Pogba
      3. Ezekiel Fryers
      —————-
      All left for more money before age 21. Let’s see how far they get before BEGGING to come back…

      What was it Grognard used to say… ahhh yes! Good riddance to bad rubbish!!!

  • I read that Fletcher will retire… anything on that????

  • Also reading that Park is discussing personal terms with QPR ahead of a £5 million move. Any truth to this lads?

  • BBC are saying Park deal is going through and United have took his picture down from the tour poster on the official site so I would say its a done deal. If the £5 million figure is true I would say thats good business considering we paid less than that for him 7 years ago.

  • I always feel Fergie doesn’t like Park’s playing style. Glad to see Park go somewhere else. He is one of trusted player in a crucial games in his whole United career. I guess Park will upgrade QPR team, his influence is quite amazing in NT team. In United, Park was deployed always as a supporting cast so his reputation is tarnished as a water carrier.

    GL Park and thank you for your effort.

  • Duncan Drasdo, head of MUST just posted this on Facebook.

    “News reaches us of rumblings of discontent between the six lineal descendants of Mr. Malcolm Glazer over MUFC – some want out .. that’s all”

    Looks like the posting on the NYSE is causing a rift. Time to ramp up Green and Gold again and be the straw that breaks this camels back. Maybe they’ll sell the club on the stock exchange. B shares. And we’ll be rid of these fucks forever.

    • @Traverse: For the sake of conversation, Glazers (ALL OF THEM) are The Devil. They will likely skin the club in a Solomon-esque manner to pillage and raid United for all its worth before selling it to a naive businessman.

      If we can un-leech ourselves quickly from the evil that is the Glazers, our wounds will be curable and United will become an unshackled and rightful giant of the game. I am smiling just at the thought of a Glazer-less United…

      Free United, Hate Glazers = FUHG!!

      Let’s break these Glazer camel backs!!!

      :evil: :evil: :evil:

  • Yeah Park has been a great servant and was a huge part of our success. I will never forget his performances against Arsenal in the Champions League semis or his great shifts in 2008 against Barcelona in the semis. But I guess with Young and Kagaya he was deemed surplus to requirements.

    As for the youngster problem I guess the solution is to not count on them until they are signed up on a long term contract.

    When Ferguson was using Pogba as an excuse for not signing any central midfielders he was counting his chickens before they hatched especially as in all honesty for all his potential Pogba was incredibly unproven in the Premier League. So it was ludicrous to talk about him as the future of our midfield.

  • I knew it wouldn’t be long before City came in for Nani. Mancini knows a good player when he sees one. City want a winger, and Mancini has his eye on Nani. If those fookers at the wastelands get their hands on Nani, I will be furious with Fergie. The lad has reduced his demands twice, because he loves OT, but you can imagine that City won’t hesitate to give him well over what he is asking at United. I don’t think Nani should sign for City and become hated, but I do think he is not valued at United as he should be, so I think the lad would benefit to get away from OT, and should think about Juve and Milan who both want him. :(

    • @Craig Mc: That would NEVER happen. Fergie categorically NEVER sells starts to rivals. Tevez was out of his control because of weird loan contract + agent. Not gonna happen.

      HOWEVER, I think Nani has reached his peak and with his good showing at Euros could bring in a nice cash crop: 40 million?? So if Milan/Juve can pay that much, I see no reason why not to accept… United have never struggled with proper wingers anyways… and 40 million can go a long way to shore up our midfiled.

  • Park has been awesome! thorough professional. all the best to him at QPR, i think its a great signing for QPR.

    Let us now get those couple of good signings we are waiting for !

  • After a week of feeling relatively happy, being linked to a class act like Moutinho. I have been dropped like a stone as we have now bid for Moussa Dembele…….
    Fuck me I used to get excited about the Summer, sun and big transfers, now rain and a player who plys his trade for Fulham. A player who is his last year of his contract and will sell shirts oh and Nick Powell.
    Fergie time to speak up……..

    • @Stephen: Dembele is a better player than the mouth almighty who didn’t sign for us and went to Chelsea, and who has never stopped mouthing off ever since. These two players played for Belgium at Wembley, and I thought Dembele was fantastic. Maybe he just needs better players around him Stephen mi man. Where did you hear that we have bid for Dembele?

    • @Stephen: Dembele is a weird rumor as he is CM/AMC/SS, which is the role of Powell and Kagawa and (partly) Giggs.

      I do not see us signing Dembele, however, he is not bad at all… could see him step up to be top player, so if the price is right (<10 million)… :wink:

  • Does any one else think that Tottenham will compete for Top 2??? They signed Verthonghen from Ajax, which will improve their defense. Gylfi Sigurdsson had a great 5 months with Swansea and will improve Tottenham. If they can keep Modric (BIG IF!), then I can see them really push the Manchester Duo come April/May…

    • @Opti: Throw in a capable striker (Adebayor for 8 million, Sturridge for 5 million) and Tottenham starting 11 will rival any EPL side.

      Should be a great season for EPL and with a clever signing, United can really give us something to look forward to !!!

  • Erm, Still no news of midfielder.

  • Park, Park where ever you may be,
    you’ll still eat dogs in your home country,
    it could be worse, you could have gone scouse,
    So you won’t be eating rats in a council house.

  • Goodbye and Goodluck to Park the “Bane of Arsenal” :twisted: …the epiome if what every United professional should aspire to be..you will surely be missed..

  • Anybody got any idea what our bare and skeleton squad will be for the so called world trip. Our reserve team players perhaps? I mean I am trying to fathom just who we have available. Berba, Chicharito, Kagawa, Rio, Evans, Lindegaard, Rafael, Smalling???, Scholesy, Carrick, Valencia, (not too bad a first team now that I see them written down). Who from the youngsters do you think will be picked to travel then? Maybe Brady returning from loan, because we need a left winger? Who else is returning from loan? We don’t have goalie cover if Amos is off to Hull for season!

  • ash is the man

    wonder if Sigurdsson would of been worth looking into?

  • I think a Defensive mid- fielder is required :?: :?:

  • Crazy rumours:

    1. Supposedly a 16 million pound deal to bring Baines from Everton to United will be completed by next week. (chance: 3/5, probable)

    2. United have bid 30 million pounds for Brazilian whiz kid Moura…. not sure how much truth is in this, but he is an(other) midfielder… of the attacking variety… ESPN is echoing these rumours as well… deal to be done before Olympics (which will feature Lucas Moura for Brazil). (chance: 2/5, unlikely)

  • Probability of United signing Owen again is more than the present rumors.United already signed Gaitan,Alba,Moutinho etc etc 20 days before .

  • Bains could be a nice addition, Evra need some off time. Can’t believe wing-back has been played w/o rest for +6 years week in week out. I become more nervous because there is still no central midfield news, All these attacking sort of players won’t solve anything.

  • Man Utd kids are getting too fookin big for their boots. Why should United break the wage structure and development structure that they have for the academy/reserve players, just because they all got themselves agents, and feel they should be getting the same pay as the big boys? The big players at United had to wait until they were truly established, and bringing it big time, before they got the big money. Agents are the bane of football, and if Welbeck thinks he is suddenly worth more – newsflash, he isn’t. He was part of a team that didn’t land the PL last year, and that from 8 points clear with few games to go. He wasn’t that great for England, so he can hardly consider himself established. I agree with the United management on this, and I haven’t agreed with them much as you know, but these kids, give them an agent, who gets them seeing flashing pound signs, and they become YOUNG greedy bastards, with heads as big as the grand canyon. Sick to death of the Welbeck’s of this world, who aint achieved nothing in the game yet! So if Welbeck wants to move on, then let him!

    • @Craig Mc: I think that negotiation for better wage is fine, but I expect better from Welbeck. We just had not a great season by any means, lost title because stupid errors, knocking out early for all cups etc. Why suddenly all youngsters ask more money at once. it sound like a sort of military operation or something.

      • @Yang: You ask why suddenly all the youngsters ask for more money at once – simple answer mate, they are greedy little GITS with false delusions of grandeur! They don’t know how good they have got it at Man Utd.

  • ash is the man

    I just woke up and read some horrible news, Anderson has come out and said this is his most ”important” season! For us that means he is STAYING and likely hood of a midfielder coming in is now ever so slim :( I should of known that being linked with modric and mountinho was only ever a dream to far for the united fans of today :(

    • @ash is the man: Fergie has stated there “maybe one more” Oh fuck me if that is Baines and we are done, I will fucking give up.. :evil: :evil: :twisted: :twisted:
      Yet again another Summer and another disapointment, fuck off Glazers and I am getting to my wits end with the manager, this is getting laughable… How on earth does he expect us to compete?

      • ash is the man

        @Stephen: Mate I have no idea how he expexts us to compete. I for one am delighted with kagawa as if he plays behind rooney it could be lethal. But I just read there that fergie said regarding kagawa that he wont change the style of football for one player. So all that means is he will play him OUT wide left!!!! For fuck sake we already have nani for there. And what is worst we will have to put up with rooney being in the withdrawn postion while new pet boy welbeck strolls in up front. Im so fucking mad!! Kagawa and rooney would be lethal- welbeck is not up to united standard.

        And regarding midfield- I have nothing to say, we all know the story! :twisted:

        • @ash is the man:

          The fact that Fergie is saying he wont change the style of play is probably the most worrying comment of all because it means yet another season of dull, lifeless football.

          I would love to know what actually goes through Fergies mind when he makes these decisions and to find out how much of the transfer dealings are actually his choices, etc but these days if anyone tries to ask a question that even remotely comes across like a criticism of him they are quickly turfed out of the press room and banned so fat chance of getting any answers to those questions

        • @ash is the man: Can we please now stop talking about lack of value in the market. There is plenty of quality and we are imply not interested or competing. Fergie is now defiantly a Glazer puppet, which he should be embarrassed about. Kagawa is a decent signing but him being Japanese is surly not a coincidence. This summer has turned into a disaster, if we sign Baines and keep Evra then what a waste of money and midfield.
          The needs to be a root and branch look at what is happening at our club. Fergie has has said with Pobga “Although we always felt he was going, he never indicated it until he left. That was disappointing.” Does he actually speak to any of his players? With an unsettled player or any staff member you need to know their thought process. We have needed a midfield player since Keane retired and we have Nick Powell.
          We have now officially conceded the title to City and with Chelsea strengthening significantly we will be lucky to finish 3rd, can’t wait until August.

        • ash is the man

          @Stephen: i hear you all the way

        • tonymontanna4united

          @Stephen: Too right mate.
          Were now way past the point where we can arrogantly point at a player and dismiss him as not being good enough. Weve got giggs afterall for gods sake 8-O
          Admirable as it may be for us to think we should only be targetting the best, its been proven so many times now that 1- we no longer have the funds to actually compete for the best and that 2- our midfield is so pathetic these days, even lassana bloody diarra would probably be an improvement for this side.
          Everyone knows we have/are being greatly hampered by the glazers every season, and my hatred for them will never ever die, but were at the point now where questions also need to be asked of fergie in all this too.
          Why, with £50m to spend last summer, was a midfielder not bought?
          Why if your just going to play him as a LW or (dread to think it) CM, would you buy kagawa if your not going to play him in his proper position?
          Why would we not just sell berbatov to save a bit of money and maybe put it towards a new signing?
          These days i find myself asking more and more questions that i know we’ll never get an answer from from fergie, but genuine questions nonetheless.
          I cant help but feel that maybe this is the beginning of the end for the man, as quite frankly alot of what he has to say these days, just makes absolutely zero sense.

  • Just read the Fergie comments and it indeed looks like many of us on here are going to be correct and Baines will be our only remaining transfer this season. If it is going to be only one more I would actually sacrifice getting Baines for another midfielder but looking at how strong the links are and with Fabio also already out on loan I cant see it being anyone else.

    I could go on a massive rant about how frustrating this is but I dont think theres any need at this point as Im pretty sure everyone else here feels exactly the same. I can quite easily see a long, dull season ahead that ends with zero prizes. Seriously fucked off with the window yet again. :roll:

    • tonymontanna4united

      @RedOrDead: Unfortunately it seems it will end up just as you and i said a few weeks ago when we spoke on this Red.
      It’ll be baines (if that) and that’ll be our lot.
      A real shame, because honestly i do think baines and kagawa would/will be reallly good signings, who will really improve the side overall (kagawa could/should bring about a shift in tactics to more a 4-2-3-1 which can only be good, and baines i hope, would finally mean the end of skinned sausage- thank christ).
      It just needs that big name star midfielder in the middle of the park there, and this side starts looking serious again (although as i said the last time, i still feel we need another 3 players on top of that to put us back to where we were/should be, but that would obviously have to come next season).
      Without that modric, martinez, sahin, hell even adequate half decent names like diarra, m’villa, strootman though, and it just looks like its going to be a case of making do for another bloody season, and ultimately coming short again :evil:
      Unfortunately as ive felt for a long time now, it seems that for fergie, whilst he still has his trusty lieutenants scholes and giggs around him, our pressing needs for a new midfielder will be ignored time and time again.
      Extremely poor management on fergies behalf, letting sentimentality get the better of him here. Really pissed off.

  • I heard on the United grape vine that 2012/13 season is Fergie’s last one. So maybe that is why the Glazer fookers are not giving him more funds, because IF it is true, then maybe they are waiting until the new guy comes in, because he will want some of his own players. I wonder whether it is true about Fergie, because he said that he had a few years left.

    • tonymontanna4united

      @Craig Mc: Doubt it mate. In any case, we all know david moyes is probably the glazers wet dream as their choice for next manager.
      Now theres a man who knows how to work on a shoe string budget without complaint and to who ass kissing to his superiors comes naturally. You can just see it now cant you. Moyes and glazer.

      • @tonymontanna4united:

        This is exactly what is in my thoughts mate. I can just imagine everyone getting excited saying we will get Mourinho or Guardiola only for David Moyes to be put in charge. He fits the bill for the Glazers 100% and if Fergie has an input (which he likely will) then he will be all for Moyes too. Imagine how grim the transfer windows would be then :-?

  • I don’t understand why Fergie is so reluctant to buy central midfielder, It is not like we need winger, striker or defender but it is not prevent we sign players, sometimes, we overstock some areas.

    I agree with Fergie, our central midfielders are not that bad as people make out to be but, at this time, we lack of defensive minded midfielder since Fletcher won’t play, bar Carrik we have nobody can defend, what if Carrik injured then we no have ball winner at all and we ship out Park too.

    I guess Martinez will be an ideal signing because he can play as CB too, we don’t know how Vidic will cope after big injury, need cover for CB imo. Fergie spent money please.

  • I also think there is a lot of smoke and mirrors happening at our club. Alleged bids for Moutinho, Moura and Dembele have rumoured to have been lodged but no end result, sound familiar? This exact same thing occurred last season with a certain Dutch player, who was not signed as we did not want to stunt the progression on Paul Pogba.
    As fans we have been lies to for years, we have a £100m to spend, but there is no value in the market. We have such and such coming through, Anderson is a marvellous talent, we have lodged X amount of bids for players ect.
    We now want action, Kagawa looks like a sensible signing but his commercial activities for the club will make him pay for himself within probably months. Fergie was standing at a press conference with a player we signed from Crewe, almost like a proud grandfather. I am afraid this is no longer going to wash with us. We need to bring in more proven talent, or at least players who will make a difference. We will start next season with Carrick and Scholes YET again in midfield. This is simply not good enough, everyone and his dog can see the imperative need for us to strengthen the centre of the park. We have signed a prospect from Crewe and a number 10. We may sign a left back.
    With Chelsea buying again, City who will always spend will are getting left behind. Our best young prospects are leaving and we are failing to compete with the two before mentioned in the market.
    Fergie has turned into a company man, singing the praises of the owners and failing to see the our side once smothered in flair is now a functional organism. The case in point a few years ago the much cherished number 7 shirt was worn by Ronaldo and now Valencia sports it.
    The issue really is money is obviously not available and the business model is based on us playing in the Champions League, which under Ferguson currently has bee a gimme. Fergie still wheeling out Giggs and Scholes is evidence that there is no money and no real future, things look bleak but please stop treating the fans like we are idiots.

  • ash is the man

    I know 40 million is alot, but surely just buy modric and be done with it, then 20 million on tiote or mountiho and we wont have to spend there for many more years. Thats only 60 million on quality players who wont rob us on wages.

    And even if we forgot about modric why on earth are we not signing mountiho? I am scared shitless with the thought of carrick and scholes. Oh dear Lord!

    • @ash is the man: £40m for Modric is far too much money, also he has his heart set on Real. He scored 3 goals and only produced 3 assists last season.
      For me Moutinho is a no brainer, £20m for a 25 year old who for me was Portugals best player.
      Tiote is a super player but would function better in a 4-3-3 we all know what system we will play next season.

  • Well, well, well, any midfielders yet?

    All hail Ryan Tunnicliffe :roll:

    • @Moscow: :lol: Good old Tunni. Some little Jay Spearing midfield hardman who all the MUTV zombies rave about as if he’s gunna be the next Zidane or summat. :roll:

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