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  1. Nelson
    August 16, 2012

    Great tactical information. I am one of those fans who loves the tactical and technical side of the game rather than just drinking beer and shouting Rooney ;-)

    depending on the personnel we have the 4-4-1-1 4-2-3-1 and the 4-3-3 will be our most used formations. your article also highlighted why the standard 4-4-2 doesn’t really suit our central midfield who lack strong tacklers in the mold of Keane and Hargreaves. it is no wonder there were games you felt as of we were playing with 9 men as we got overrun at the center of the field, putting enormous pressure on the goalkeeper and defence. see what everton’s 4-4-1-1 did to us last season especially fellaini in the hole. you can argue the lack of a Hargreaves or Keane in that game cost us the title and even though we look really strong in the attack this season, you wonder if this blind spot will come back and bite sir Alex

  2. Nelson
    August 16, 2012

    Interesting article from goal – http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2012/08/16/3310600/hernandez-future-in-doubt-as-van-persie-arrival-prompts

    Fletcher health problems, Hargo knee problems, Fragile Saha and now Chicharito neurological problems that will cause him to have acute migraines. Why are united cursed with this health problems? :( It will be interesting to see how we handle Fletcher and Chicharito. I will be perfectly honest and say that I don’t have 100% confidence in the way our medical staff handle things but then again I might be too harsh.Time will tell

    • Opti
      August 16, 2012

      @Nelson: Glazer = Curse!!!

      • Nelson
        August 16, 2012

        @Opti: Haha but seriously though we better hope the situation is managed well. Dont want a situation where all out strikers are injured bar chicharito but we are playing rafael upfront ;) and wondering what the fuck is going on, just like the fletcher situation

  3. colver
    August 16, 2012

    Without a doubt both Kagaya and Van Persie are world class additions and a definite cut above our usual summer fare.

    But I cannot see how they are all going to fit into the same team without playing one of them out of position.

    Rooney and Van Persie are not going to like being dropped. While from what I’ve seeen of Kagaya in the preseason we should really be building our team around him. With Kagaya in the team we have a counter attacking threat we haven’t had since the Ronaldo days.

    Certainly in Europe and the big games Kagaya should be playing every game and Van Persie and Rooney should be rotating. But I doubt Ferguson sees it that way.

    • Nelson
      August 16, 2012

      @colver: Why do you like calling him Kagaya instead of Kagawa ? :)

    • RMJ
      August 16, 2012

      @colver: Kagawa will play left wing and we will have two wingers on each side in our squad with Nani and Valy on the right and Young and Kagawa on the left.

      Fergie is in a good mood and Ihe ssaid this which should dispel any issues regarding Hernandez.

      “In 1999, I had Dwight Yorke, Andy Cole, Teddy Sheringham and Ole Gunnar Solskjaer, the four best strikers in Europe.

      “We are going towards that now with Javier Hernandez, Wayne Rooney, Robin, Danny Welbeck and Shinji Kagawa.’

  4. colver
    August 16, 2012

    I’ve heard that at Dortmund he sucked on the wings. Besides which we did pretty well last season with Nani on the left and Valencia on the right.

    The whole problem with us is that all our play comes from the wings and nothing through the middle. I hoped Kagaya as a central attacking midfielder would address that and give us a counter attacking threat through the middle. But that would be wasted if he has played out wide.

    Hopefully we do see him in a 4-4-1-1 behind the striker for some of the season as I think that would work really well for us in Europe. Essentially he’d play as Giggs used to play for us but not screw up so much by giving the ball away.

  5. Nelson
    August 16, 2012

    @RMJ: yeah. in a formation with no trequarista position he will start on the left and cut inside but who knows. with the ability to switch formations we can deploy different tactics at the start of the match and when substitutions occur.

    with sir claiming rvp a sure starter against everton expect a 4-4-1-1 or a 4-4-2 as the starting lineup.

  6. john
    August 16, 2012

    de gea
    rafael ferdi vidic evra

    Valencia Carrick Nani/young

    Kagawa

    Rooney Van Persie

    (cleverley/scholes – can replace carrick

  7. Will
    August 16, 2012

    RVP Rooney

    Kagawa

    Cleverley Valencia

    Carrick

    Evra Vidic Rio Rafael

    DDG

    yes/no?

    • Opti
      August 16, 2012

      @Will: No nani, no way. Cleverly is competing with Kagawa in my book
      ——-_____———-
      —-RVP—- Rooney—-

      ——Kagawa——–

      –Nani ______ Valencia–

      ——Carrick——–

      -Evra- Vidic- Rio- Rafael-

      ——-DDG——–
      ——______——–

      yes/no?

  8. Jay wire
    August 16, 2012

    Yeah. I can’t find any variation of Shinji Kagawa’s name with a “y” on the net. Thought I was the only one who had noticed Colver’s spelling.

  9. gator
    August 16, 2012

    come on match day 8-O :twisted: im so sick of trying to figure out our formation i want to see it work :twisted:

  10. Opti
    August 16, 2012

    BREAKING NEWS: RvP has his medical right now. Supposedly, Welbeck signed a 4 or 5 year deal today as well.

    • Opti
      August 17, 2012

      @Opti: RvP passed his Medical.

      If he registers with United before Friday midday, he will be able to feature against Everton.

      Anyone betting on RvP to hattrick on his debut???? 8) 8)

      • Opti
        August 17, 2012

        @Opti: NO VAN’S FLOPPED AT UNITED!!! 8)

  11. Opti
    August 17, 2012

    Crusty lemons!! :evil:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/aug/16/manchester-united-van-persie-glazers

    “When the flotation actually happened last week, it turned out that the Glazers had changed their intention, and in fact were helping themselves to half the proceeds. They sold some of their shares, and only issued five per cent new shares. Of the $220m (£140m) earned from selling the Manchester United (Cayman Islands) shares to investors, only $110m (£70m) has ultimately been banked by United. The Glazer family themselves have been paid the other £70m.

    Reducing the debt by only £70m after all this fuss and effort, at 8.75% annual interest, will save United £6m in interest a year. As the investment analyst and critic of the Glazer leveraged buyout Andy Green has pointed out, the saving in interest is exceeded by the $12m (£7.7m) it has cost United in lawyers and other fees to float, following the £7m costs incurred for the aborted flotation in Singapore. The costs of hocking United around the world are coming out of the club’s share of the proceeds, not the Glazer family’s.”

    • Redrich
      August 17, 2012

      @Opti: It doesn’t take any further explanation. The Glazers have got their fangs firmly planted in our neck and we will never regain our human form this side of liquidation!!

      Anyway, with RVP, Rooney and Kagawa I will loll in a zombie-istic state for at least one more season.

      LUHG.

      • Opti
        August 17, 2012

        @Redrich: Good to have you back!

  12. Redrich
    August 17, 2012

    I think Cleverley will compete with Anderson while Kagawa will compete with Nani and with Valencia starting by default. The rest of the MF will depend on fitness and game appropriation.

    Rooney and RVP will probably slot in one behind the other and without any particular predudice (and that is the beauty of this pairing) with the effect of making opposing CB’s tentative in their coverage.

    Giggs and Scholes will no longer be our bread-and-butter but the jam on top. They will be the final straw if the bale of hay is a little short.

    Big concern is the back line!! Rio’s fitness, Vidic’ recovery from fitness, Rafael’s maturity, Evra’s form – all big question marks. Is Jones a top player, can Evans repeat his form of the second half of last season and is Smalling a CB or a FB. Many questions with answers that are hard to imagine.

    In short we should outscore the opposition in most games, and lets face it, thats all that matters.

    • Opti
      August 17, 2012

      @Redrich: On the “outscoring”: I think this method fails miserably in Europe where tactics are more important than gung-ho attitudes. If Fergie didn’t learn from last season UCL (and I don’t know if he did until we see group stage starting lineups), then we will exit early again.

  13. Robbie
    August 17, 2012

    I dont think we will need to worry so much about fixed positions for our players. Even if we line up with say a 4 3 3 with say nani van persie and rooney, each of those players are good enough to interchange. Van Persie has scored so many goals off the right side cutting in. kagawa also is the type of player that will make runs on the left right and through the middle depending where the space is. I just hope we always have 3 in the middle sort of thing so were good defensively esp against tougher teams, but in home games 2 uptop would do fine

  14. Nuevo
    August 17, 2012

    Any word on Nani’s Contract?

  15. colver
    August 17, 2012

    I.P.O was a debacle. But at least the Glazers got their pound of flesh freeing up money for the Van Persie signing.

    Redrich. What about Ashley Young? At £15 million he hardly came cheap. Personally I do not rate him at all. But surely he is part of our plans.

    My biggest worry is that rotation is going to be our downfall.

    Rotation messed up our central midfield last season. Admittedly in that case it was forced upon us by frustrating injury problems.

    Luckily for us Ferguson actually knows how to rotate strikers so I am not so worried about that.

    But what does worry me is that with four players pegged as wingers (if as everyone seems to be arguing Kagawa is going to be used out wide) we are going rotate them too much so none of them have the chance to build up any consistency.

    Wingers are frustrating as it is. But as we’ve seen with Ronaldo and Nani if you play them every game they build consistency.

    Only Valencia has the ability to never have a bad game regardless of how long he has been without games.

    • Redrich
      August 17, 2012

      @colver: I think Young will feature in some way but he’s down in the pecking order as far as I’m concerned.

      Rotation is inevitable but the key word this year (barring massive injuries) will be “competition”. The better they perform the more they will perform, and for the first time in several years, it will create a kick-on effect for the fringe players. Instead of being thrown in the deep end, they will be shown what it takes to gain a 1st team spot from the more experienced and skillful players.

  16. ash is the man
    August 17, 2012

    Do these lads that play football have any brains in their heads at all?
    The person I am referring to is Mr Jack Rodwell…….. How does he possibly believe that he will get game time at city :roll:
    Another english international to be wasted at that club, he would of been better off at everton for 2 more seasons

    And I also wonder if we went in for him would he of been as cheap as 15mill? I doubt it

  17. RMJ
    August 17, 2012

    BREAKING NEWS Chelsea has made an offer for Chicarito which we rightly rejected….please take berbatov instead

    http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/1136089/manchester-united-rejects-chelsea-inquiry-for-javier-hernandez?cc=5901

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