Comments on: The Tuesday Tantrum: A Fleecing of Fletcher http://redrants.com/the-tuesday-tirade-a-fleecing-of-fletcher/ Manchester United Blog Tue, 16 Mar 2010 09:44:58 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: My Belated Tirade on Statistics… http://redrants.com/the-tuesday-tirade-a-fleecing-of-fletcher/comment-page-5/#comment-86939 My Belated Tirade on Statistics… Thu, 22 Oct 2009 20:27:05 +0000 http://redrants.com/?p=1943#comment-86939 [...] value judgments and assumptions. If I feel like cleverly hiding my deontological proclivities, I reach for the graphing calculator. Brian Phillips at the runofplay has a philosophical aversion to such [...] [...] value judgments and assumptions. If I feel like cleverly hiding my deontological proclivities, I reach for the graphing calculator. Brian Phillips at the runofplay has a philosophical aversion to such [...]

]]> By: Merlinus http://redrants.com/the-tuesday-tirade-a-fleecing-of-fletcher/comment-page-5/#comment-78997 Merlinus Thu, 27 Aug 2009 09:20:02 +0000 http://redrants.com/?p=1943#comment-78997 sneijder is now a nerrazzuri :cry: :cry: :cry: sneijder is now a nerrazzuri :cry: :cry: :cry:

]]> By: Craig Mc http://redrants.com/the-tuesday-tirade-a-fleecing-of-fletcher/comment-page-5/#comment-78992 Craig Mc Thu, 27 Aug 2009 08:20:40 +0000 http://redrants.com/?p=1943#comment-78992 @<a href="#comment-78984" rel="nofollow">Merlinus</a>: Errrr Merlinus, it was taking on the Gerrards, Fabregas, and Lampards that brought Fan popularity to Anderson, and the Anderson, son, son, United song chant. I would agree that Anderson is like Ronaldinho in one respect - night life and women etc etc etc. Andi is ruining his own career, because he is a LAZY GIT in training, and you cannot be the best and get into the United team if you don't put in the hard graft required to be the best! Your point about SAF doesn't hold true, because Anderson played CM and mastered Gerrard, Lamps etc in his first season. Nobody was saying that SAF was asking him to do other than he could then - were they? The problem with Andi is that he lacks the personal motivation and work ethic to be among the best, and yet he feels that he should be IN anyway - rubbish. Players who have the graft and motivation should be in before him. Live and learn Andi, live and learn! @Merlinus: Errrr Merlinus, it was taking on the Gerrards, Fabregas, and Lampards that brought Fan popularity to Anderson, and the Anderson, son, son, United song chant. I would agree that Anderson is like Ronaldinho in one respect – night life and women etc etc etc. Andi is ruining his own career, because he is a LAZY GIT in training, and you cannot be the best and get into the United team if you don’t put in the hard graft required to be the best! Your point about SAF doesn’t hold true, because Anderson played CM and mastered Gerrard, Lamps etc in his first season. Nobody was saying that SAF was asking him to do other than he could then – were they? The problem with Andi is that he lacks the personal motivation and work ethic to be among the best, and yet he feels that he should be IN anyway – rubbish. Players who have the graft and motivation should be in before him. Live and learn Andi, live and learn!

]]> By: Red Ranter http://redrants.com/the-tuesday-tirade-a-fleecing-of-fletcher/comment-page-5/#comment-78988 Red Ranter Thu, 27 Aug 2009 06:47:18 +0000 http://redrants.com/?p=1943#comment-78988 @<a href="#comment-78984" rel="nofollow">Merlinus</a>: Basically what you're saying is Anderson does not fit the current United setup -- which begs the question, why play him? Also, Sneijder's agreed a 5 year deal with Inter - so that's not happening. When you're good enough you are good enough. Despite constraints enforced upon him I haven't seen the dynamism with the ball at his feet on a consistent basis. I feel he doesn't seem to have the technique to strike the ball. It cannot be bad luck, if he hasn't managed to score a goal from open play till now. So much for attacking prowess. My concern over him is not necessarily his talent -- I think he is (or was) talented when he came over. He doesn't seem to have the work ethic in training that Ronaldo had. From many accounts he seems to be a party boy, which explains a lot of inconsistency. I can't fault a player for trying, what I would is a lack of focus. There are far too many reports/accounts I've read and heard to be worried about his attitude. I will support him, but if you honestly ask me what I think of him, I feel United is not the club for him, and he seems to have regressed. And you can't pin all the blame on the manager either. @Merlinus: Basically what you’re saying is Anderson does not fit the current United setup — which begs the question, why play him? Also, Sneijder’s agreed a 5 year deal with Inter – so that’s not happening.

When you’re good enough you are good enough. Despite constraints enforced upon him I haven’t seen the dynamism with the ball at his feet on a consistent basis. I feel he doesn’t seem to have the technique to strike the ball. It cannot be bad luck, if he hasn’t managed to score a goal from open play till now. So much for attacking prowess.

My concern over him is not necessarily his talent — I think he is (or was) talented when he came over. He doesn’t seem to have the work ethic in training that Ronaldo had. From many accounts he seems to be a party boy, which explains a lot of inconsistency. I can’t fault a player for trying, what I would is a lack of focus. There are far too many reports/accounts I’ve read and heard to be worried about his attitude. I will support him, but if you honestly ask me what I think of him, I feel United is not the club for him, and he seems to have regressed. And you can’t pin all the blame on the manager either.

]]> By: Merlinus http://redrants.com/the-tuesday-tirade-a-fleecing-of-fletcher/comment-page-5/#comment-78984 Merlinus Thu, 27 Aug 2009 06:18:02 +0000 http://redrants.com/?p=1943#comment-78984 @<a href="#comment-78983" rel="nofollow">Red Ranter</a>: PSG... My point exactly.. He was in a team where he was considered as 'the' star.. There was no one around him who forced him into a Central midfielder role and asked him to take on a fabregas or a gerrard!.. Anderson is not a player to be kept on a leash or having defensive duties dictated out to him.. It sucks.. And RR, champions league final for a 20 yr old with a physically weak 35 yr old on one side and a slow carrick attempting hollywood passes on the other side is not exactly the kind of midfield partnership which will give him freedom and make him stand out.. omg.. Go get Sneijder and robben.. Pair anderson up with Sneijder.. you'll see.. @Red Ranter: PSG… My point exactly.. He was in a team where he was considered as ‘the’ star.. There was no one around him who forced him into a Central midfielder role and asked him to take on a fabregas or a gerrard!.. Anderson is not a player to be kept on a leash or having defensive duties dictated out to him.. It sucks.. And RR, champions league final for a 20 yr old with a physically weak 35 yr old on one side and a slow carrick attempting hollywood passes on the other side is not exactly the kind of midfield partnership which will give him freedom and make him stand out.. omg.. Go get Sneijder and robben.. Pair anderson up with Sneijder.. you’ll see..

]]> By: Red Ranter http://redrants.com/the-tuesday-tirade-a-fleecing-of-fletcher/comment-page-5/#comment-78983 Red Ranter Thu, 27 Aug 2009 05:53:13 +0000 http://redrants.com/?p=1943#comment-78983 @<a href="#comment-78981" rel="nofollow">Merlinus</a>: <i>Where was Ronaldinho when he was 21</i> When Ronaldinho was 19 he won the best player award for the Brazil senior team (not U19 or U21) in the 1999 Confed Cup. In 2000, when he was 20, he scored 9 goals in 7 games with the Brazil team - winning the Olympic gold. He was 22 in the World Cup, and it was obvious to everyone that he was special. Even in PSG he was tearing defenders apart but fell out with his coach. With Ronaldinho it was obvious to everyone at the time that he was special -- and he proved it with Barcelona. I don't see that spark with Anderson. If he turns out fantastic this season, then great. But I have my doubts about him. I am all for keeping faith in our players, but for Anderson to prove me wrong, he will need to drastically improve on several aspects of his game. @Merlinus: Where was Ronaldinho when he was 21

When Ronaldinho was 19 he won the best player award for the Brazil senior team (not U19 or U21) in the 1999 Confed Cup. In 2000, when he was 20, he scored 9 goals in 7 games with the Brazil team – winning the Olympic gold.

He was 22 in the World Cup, and it was obvious to everyone that he was special. Even in PSG he was tearing defenders apart but fell out with his coach. With Ronaldinho it was obvious to everyone at the time that he was special — and he proved it with Barcelona. I don’t see that spark with Anderson. If he turns out fantastic this season, then great. But I have my doubts about him. I am all for keeping faith in our players, but for Anderson to prove me wrong, he will need to drastically improve on several aspects of his game.

]]> By: Merlinus http://redrants.com/the-tuesday-tirade-a-fleecing-of-fletcher/comment-page-5/#comment-78981 Merlinus Thu, 27 Aug 2009 05:24:12 +0000 http://redrants.com/?p=1943#comment-78981 Oh for God's sakes.. He's 21 so give him a break.. Where was Ronaldinho when he was 21..? Will he have played a monster game in a champions league final, especially if you put him in midfield.. think about it guys.. 21 years old.. my word! Oh for God’s sakes.. He’s 21 so give him a break.. Where was Ronaldinho when he was 21..? Will he have played a monster game in a champions league final, especially if you put him in midfield.. think about it guys..
21 years old.. my word!

]]> By: Onkar http://redrants.com/the-tuesday-tirade-a-fleecing-of-fletcher/comment-page-5/#comment-78977 Onkar Thu, 27 Aug 2009 04:08:30 +0000 http://redrants.com/?p=1943#comment-78977 @<a href="#comment-78923" rel="nofollow">Grognard</a>: I agree mate that we need a CM. But, what i am also trying to see that even though he is a winger we a additional winger as well. I mean look at the burnley game we did not have our regular wingers and due to lack of quality in back ups we struggle. So i think thats why i wanted him to be bought by us. @Grognard: I agree mate that we need a CM. But, what i am also trying to see that even though he is a winger we a additional winger as well. I mean look at the burnley game we did not have our regular wingers and due to lack of quality in back ups we struggle. So i think thats why i wanted him to be bought by us.

]]> By: Grognard http://redrants.com/the-tuesday-tirade-a-fleecing-of-fletcher/comment-page-5/#comment-78966 Grognard Wed, 26 Aug 2009 23:28:39 +0000 http://redrants.com/?p=1943#comment-78966 @<a href="#comment-78930" rel="nofollow">Craig Mc</a>: Yes I agree. Neither of them deserved to be compared with that walking talking septic tank. :grin: @Craig Mc: Yes I agree. Neither of them deserved to be compared with that walking talking septic tank. :grin:

]]> By: Craig Mc http://redrants.com/the-tuesday-tirade-a-fleecing-of-fletcher/comment-page-5/#comment-78930 Craig Mc Wed, 26 Aug 2009 18:03:14 +0000 http://redrants.com/?p=1943#comment-78930 @<a href="#comment-78926" rel="nofollow">Grognard</a>: A bit harsh on crippled baboons and fat lady librarians I have to say Grog :lol: :lol: . @Grognard: A bit harsh on crippled baboons and fat lady librarians I have to say Grog :lol: :lol: .

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