@Karl: The Glazer’s aren’t really owners in the classic definition as much as they are stewards. They are glorified custodians and have not thrown in a dollar of their own money but are raping the club of it’s revenues by pocketing large portions and allowing the rest to go towards debts they created to take control of the club. Something that should never ever have been allowed. They need to be told just who the Hell they are and where the Hell they should go. I’m through being Mr. Nice Guy but I also live in Vancouver Canada and have very limited power to do anything to help establish a trust or an organization that can sell out support and financial and political muscle to force these vultures out of town.
How much do I hate the Glazer’s? Yesterday as I was leaving the hospital after visiting my dying mother I noticed a man in the lobby who looked like one of the Glazer brothers (the one with hair). Of course it wasn’t him but he was a dead ringer for the cunt. Immediately a rage built inside of me. I was looking at this complete stranger whose only crime was that he looked like a Glazer and yet all I felt was the urge to go over to him, tell him off and then kick the shit out of him. Of course my sanity kicked in and I woke up from my momentary blood rage and I left but I was amazed at the resemblance and how much anger the thought of a Glazer was bring into my heart, mind and soul. God help me for feeling like this but they should all get cancer. What they are doing to my team is bad enough but what they are doing to millions of die heart passionate supporters of this club is an outright crime. They have taken a staple in our lives, one that has given us so many thrills and incredible pleasure and have turned it into a beast of burden. For that they deserve to suffer. God how I hate that disgusting family and their entire flock of ugly and bald motherfuckers. May they rot in Hell for the pain they are causing all of us.
@ ScotJimland, i understand what it meant, i still have a few words of gaelic, literally it means there’s openings in every person to be observed!! Sorry about delay in replying, busy watchin Munster beat Northhampton in the rugby. Fuckin class! Go neírí an bhothar mo chara
@Karl: Great point. And if more people took it like that, perhaps then they would burn their tickets in protest and stand outside OT and fight the fight.
@Grognard: I’m glad I don’t look like a Glazer.
Why don’t we turn that anger into ‘positive’ energy and figure out a way to take over this club? There must be a way. I honestly believe that is the best route to follow.
@Scotjimland: Nobody is going after the players or manager. It’s the Glazer’s whose heads we want on spikes. lining the road out of Manchester like Spartacus and the slaves heads lined the Apian way out of Rome as a symbol to those who revolt. Well how many of you are going to stand up and say to the Glazer’s what I am going to say right now. I AM SPARTACUS. Now lets see them try to put my head on a spike. What we need here is a role reversal of fortunes. We need to revolt. We need to be heard. Now where are our leaders in the community who will hear this rally cry and take up the sword to save this great club?
@phoenix red: The fact that players are not revolting over this breach of privacy and freedom is appalling. If i was a player and the club forced me to close a personal communicative account, I would tell them to get stuffed.
@Redrich: It’s disgusting and each every one of those legends and staff that allow the owners to dictate to them like that are nothing more than spineless cowards and yes men. Shame on all of them.
@Karl: You know the river Denial is now polluted by the number of people who call it their own and who swim in it. If you were wondering about those who are idiots, ignorant and living a lie. The world and Mancunia is full of them. And their lack of action and intelligence is just as much to blame for our problems as the Glazer’s are. Every one of those who walks into the next game at Old Trafford are contributing to the lie and to the Glazer’s.
@Grognard: You’d be surprised what power the clubs holds over them.
I read a few weeks ago that Roy Keane ordered all his players to move within a 30 minute radius of their training ground.
Now that’s almost Czar like!!
I’ve never had the privilege and the honor to go to Old Trafford or to see a game live. Bu tif I was magically transported there and was given a ticket to see the game I would burn it in front of everyone. Easy to say this but trust me, I mean it.
@Karl: That was a pretty big piece of frozen water mate. And it wasn’t the ice that sunk the ship, it was ignorance coupled with stupidity and arrogance.
@Redrich: I know. But, in all honesty, from a business perspective (making money for oneself), can you honestly blame the Glazers for what they are doing? I’m not advocating that they’re doing the right thing morally, but they want to make money (short-term). That’s why, even with another takeover, we may face a similiar situation. We’ll just be moving from jam to peanut butter.
@Grognard: They’re watching the club drift away into a sea of debt and ruin and yet these, so called, United stalwarts have shown nothing but obedience and cowardliness.
If we are to revolt against these vampires, we need the voices of prominent figures within the United alumni.
Wait and see as the Glazer’s instruct us to splash out on a trophy signing to appease the fans and dupe them into thinking everything is ok again, so they can quietly asset strip the club.
@Scotjimland: They are red till dead but they need to be a whole lot redder under the collar and get mad as Hell at the owners. I do not hate the players and I love Fergie although i am very disappointed in him. I might be negative about the game and the players after a game but trust me, that’s just a review of their on field performance. Off the field I love all the players even the ones I roast over the coals like Anderson, Park, Foster and Neville. Right now the players and the manager are the least of my concerns. We are entering a highly critical period in this clubs future and it’s plans to exist. What happens on the field is important but is very secondary to the real concern which is forcing a sale of the club and an elimination of the debt that is drowning this club with an anchor around it’s neck. I love the player, even if they aren’t that good as a whole.
@Scotjimland: Soory mate but I can only be how I feel in my heart and soul. I am positive when there is reason to be positive. I was nothing but positive from 1991 when we won the Cup Winners Cup right up to the end of 07/08 when we won the Champions League. Oh I had a few moments of melancholy and anger but overall, what was there to be upset about. Title after title, champagne football, attacking and entertaining football and Cantona, Giggs, Beckham, Keane RVN, and Ronaldo to keep me happy every day. Then last year the music died for me despite us winning the league. We lost Ronaldo and the team stopped playing the kind of football that I loved to watch. I was a customer who bought a staple item because I loved the way it tasted and then the company that produced decided to take out some of the better ingredients, lessen the taste and change the recipe and now I am supposed to like that product as if nothing has changed? To quote comedian Damon Wayons “I don’t thinks so, Homey don’t play dat.”
Positivity is a frame of mind created and nurtured by the environment around it. My mother is very ill and dying and my team is slowly but surely dying and I am supposed to be positive? Sorry mate but I am only human and like any human being, I hurt and I feel pain. And what is happening to this team is killing me and I cannot put up a fake front and talk about how sunny it is and how great our team is when I know it’s not true. So again I say I’m sorry for the way I feel and for my negativity. I don’t like bringing other people down, but then again, I don’t like it when other people try to force me to feel up when the situation and circumstances don’t warrant that kind of effort or sacrifice.
Always in my heart, away to dream of a 4th league tile, remind me bitches,who else can do this?
U under estimate the power of SAF, in my eyes he is god, since St Mirren days, never mind Aberdeen, or confrontations, with the angry man at Arabs. HE as a Scot says is sound as a pound!
@Karl: The way the Glazer’s are behaving has become the norm for business practices in an environment with very little Government restraint.
People like the Glazers will look at the silly little rules that are put in place, and then work their way around them:- No ethical sense, no sense of conscience for the rubble they leave behind them, only one goal – put as much money as they can in their pockets.
Can I blame them for wanting to make money? No! Can I blame them for how they’re going about it? You bet, mate.
I’ve supported this club since the middle 1960′s, and if want to continue this, these fuckers need to be gone!!
@Karl: Mate, there is no way until those with power and stroke who live in England, in government and in big business and those especially who live in Manchester and who support the club, stand up and get mad and start doing something. You and I and all the rest around the world who care are only peons waiting for leaders to reign us all in. Once we have the leadership and an organization is created from which to act (much stronger and more powerful than little dust bowl known as MUST), then we all can contribute in any which way we can. Money, ban support tot he club etc. This revolution requires stronger and more powerful voices than us. And right now I can’t even hear a whimper. You know who I would seek out as a spokesman and as leader to chase those Glazer’s out? One of Fergie’s old buddies Tony Blair. That’s the kind of a leader we need to get other powerful people involved in the cause. He’s a major footy fan too.
@Redrich: Absolutely. Now you know why I have so much anger towards Fergie and the like of Chalton, Crerand and Macari for always pushing the corporate brand and unity and never calling anything the way it really is. Company boys they are and they are well paid to be so. You know who we need to be on our side as voices of reason and rebellion? Cantona and Keane. If they spoke out against the Glazer’s that would unify many. Cantona alone could create an army if he chose to.
@colver: And that’s exactly what is going to happen. They will mask all the doom and gloom with one massive signing which will shut up the zombies who only care about what happens on the field every saturday.
On a positive note the players have requested that the music played on the OT on the p.a. as they come onto the pitch be dropped as it drowns out the crowd. So the club DOES listen to the players
@Grognard: I really thought that with the team stumbling, and him not able to spend to fix the problem, he would use the opportunity to speak up (or at least make some grumblings that the press would be all over). But he’s been as silent as little lamb, comforted by his big contract and retirement years to come.
You know that I have been a big SAF proponent on this blog, but I have to say that he has lost a lot of respect in the eyes of this United supporter.
What happened to the days when the club was all about 3 things. The Manager, the Players and the Fans. A perfect triangle of equal importance, that nary a soul would mess with.
At United now, it’s become a corporate dictatorship and those 3 things have been tossed into the rubble, along with our finances and our future!
@ Grog, you know we’re on the same wavelength here. One thing though, dont underestimate the Mancs, you have to really piss them off to get them going, but when they do …….all hell breaks loose. You’re gonna hear it from Craig Mc anyway
@colver: Not quite a trophy signing, but apparently the bond has, as expected, freed up some transfer money just in time for Fergie to find some value in the market……
…in the shape of Moussa Sissoko from Tolouse for £12mil. I haven’t heard much about this kid myself, but apparently he’s played twice for France already. He’s 6’1, 20 years old and originally from Mali. He’s a Defensive Midfielder in the Vieira mould.
@Redrich: It’s a strange one… a very good player for a position we aren’t in real need of. I guess if we have someone like Sissoko then players like Anderson or Fletcher may be let off the leash to maraud and attack.
Anderson was a great attacking prospect when he joined us, and was until Fergie tried to turn him into a Defensive Midfielder when Hargreaves started getting injured.
What’s strange in all the talk about our club is Fergie’s inability to turn it to the teams advantage. In years past he’d have used all this talk into ‘siege mentality’, a term he pretty much invented in football and get the team giving that 5% extra for the the badge and each other that lifted us above all other clubs.
@phoenix red: I hope I do piss them off because they need to get the bug up their asses activated because right now they are in sleep mode. We are all counting on them to wake up and make a stand.
@Traverse: Yes that will wake up our attack now won’t it. Like we don’t already have enough defensive minded and talentless midfielders. Who’s next Titus Bramble?
@Scotjimland: I’m English, mate – I just live here.
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och please no another rant that sends u 2 sleep
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@Karl: The Glazer’s aren’t really owners in the classic definition as much as they are stewards. They are glorified custodians and have not thrown in a dollar of their own money but are raping the club of it’s revenues by pocketing large portions and allowing the rest to go towards debts they created to take control of the club. Something that should never ever have been allowed. They need to be told just who the Hell they are and where the Hell they should go. I’m through being Mr. Nice Guy but I also live in Vancouver Canada and have very limited power to do anything to help establish a trust or an organization that can sell out support and financial and political muscle to force these vultures out of town.
How much do I hate the Glazer’s? Yesterday as I was leaving the hospital after visiting my dying mother I noticed a man in the lobby who looked like one of the Glazer brothers (the one with hair). Of course it wasn’t him but he was a dead ringer for the cunt. Immediately a rage built inside of me. I was looking at this complete stranger whose only crime was that he looked like a Glazer and yet all I felt was the urge to go over to him, tell him off and then kick the shit out of him. Of course my sanity kicked in and I woke up from my momentary blood rage and I left but I was amazed at the resemblance and how much anger the thought of a Glazer was bring into my heart, mind and soul. God help me for feeling like this but they should all get cancer. What they are doing to my team is bad enough but what they are doing to millions of die heart passionate supporters of this club is an outright crime. They have taken a staple in our lives, one that has given us so many thrills and incredible pleasure and have turned it into a beast of burden. For that they deserve to suffer. God how I hate that disgusting family and their entire flock of ugly and bald motherfuckers. May they rot in Hell for the pain they are causing all of us.
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@ ScotJimland, i understand what it meant, i still have a few words of gaelic, literally it means there’s openings in every person to be observed!! Sorry about delay in replying, busy watchin Munster beat Northhampton in the rugby. Fuckin class! Go neírí an bhothar mo chara
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@gator: Since the beginning I’ve maintained that the people to blame for this financial situation are the ones that sold out in the first place.
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sorry that was not necessary, at Grog, i think in my heart he is ok, just wish he would be more positive
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@Karl: Great point. And if more people took it like that, perhaps then they would burn their tickets in protest and stand outside OT and fight the fight.
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@phoenix red: bottoms up, chin chin. wish u a happy new year 2
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@Grognard:
I’m glad I don’t look like a Glazer.
Why don’t we turn that anger into ‘positive’ energy and figure out a way to take over this club? There must be a way. I honestly believe that is the best route to follow.
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@Scotjimland: Nobody is going after the players or manager. It’s the Glazer’s whose heads we want on spikes. lining the road out of Manchester like Spartacus and the slaves heads lined the Apian way out of Rome as a symbol to those who revolt. Well how many of you are going to stand up and say to the Glazer’s what I am going to say right now. I AM SPARTACUS. Now lets see them try to put my head on a spike. What we need here is a role reversal of fortunes. We need to revolt. We need to be heard. Now where are our leaders in the community who will hear this rally cry and take up the sword to save this great club?
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@phoenix red: The fact that players are not revolting over this breach of privacy and freedom is appalling. If i was a player and the club forced me to close a personal communicative account, I would tell them to get stuffed.
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@Karl: That’s like crying over spilled milk! Hang ‘em from the nearest yardarm if you want, but it won’t help getting us out of this jam.
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@Redrich: It’s disgusting and each every one of those legends and staff that allow the owners to dictate to them like that are nothing more than spineless cowards and yes men. Shame on all of them.
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@Karl: You know the river Denial is now polluted by the number of people who call it their own and who swim in it. If you were wondering about those who are idiots, ignorant and living a lie. The world and Mancunia is full of them. And their lack of action and intelligence is just as much to blame for our problems as the Glazer’s are. Every one of those who walks into the next game at Old Trafford are contributing to the lie and to the Glazer’s.
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@Grognard: You’d be surprised what power the clubs holds over them.
I read a few weeks ago that Roy Keane ordered all his players to move within a 30 minute radius of their training ground.

Now that’s almost Czar like!!
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I’ve never had the privilege and the honor to go to Old Trafford or to see a game live. Bu tif I was magically transported there and was given a ticket to see the game I would burn it in front of everyone. Easy to say this but trust me, I mean it.
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@phoenix red: am coming after you, be frightened, jesting of course
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@Karl: That was a pretty big piece of frozen water mate.
And it wasn’t the ice that sunk the ship, it was ignorance coupled with stupidity and arrogance.
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manc skin just in ecosse
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@Redrich: I know. But, in all honesty, from a business perspective (making money for oneself), can you honestly blame the Glazers for what they are doing? I’m not advocating that they’re doing the right thing morally, but they want to make money (short-term). That’s why, even with another takeover, we may face a similiar situation. We’ll just be moving from jam to peanut butter.
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well babe ( Grog) u will be in heaven, its fuckin great
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@Grognard: They’re watching the club drift away into a sea of debt and ruin and yet these, so called, United stalwarts have shown nothing but obedience and cowardliness.
If we are to revolt against these vampires, we need the voices of prominent figures within the United alumni.
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Wait and see as the Glazer’s instruct us to splash out on a trophy signing to appease the fans and dupe them into thinking everything is ok again, so they can quietly asset strip the club.
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@Scotjimland: They are red till dead but they need to be a whole lot redder under the collar and get mad as Hell at the owners. I do not hate the players and I love Fergie although i am very disappointed in him. I might be negative about the game and the players after a game but trust me, that’s just a review of their on field performance. Off the field I love all the players even the ones I roast over the coals like Anderson, Park, Foster and Neville. Right now the players and the manager are the least of my concerns. We are entering a highly critical period in this clubs future and it’s plans to exist. What happens on the field is important but is very secondary to the real concern which is forcing a sale of the club and an elimination of the debt that is drowning this club with an anchor around it’s neck. I love the player, even if they aren’t that good as a whole.
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as the moderator told us all everything is not as it appears
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@Scotjimland: Soory mate but I can only be how I feel in my heart and soul. I am positive when there is reason to be positive. I was nothing but positive from 1991 when we won the Cup Winners Cup right up to the end of 07/08 when we won the Champions League. Oh I had a few moments of melancholy and anger but overall, what was there to be upset about. Title after title, champagne football, attacking and entertaining football and Cantona, Giggs, Beckham, Keane RVN, and Ronaldo to keep me happy every day. Then last year the music died for me despite us winning the league. We lost Ronaldo and the team stopped playing the kind of football that I loved to watch. I was a customer who bought a staple item because I loved the way it tasted and then the company that produced decided to take out some of the better ingredients, lessen the taste and change the recipe and now I am supposed to like that product as if nothing has changed? To quote comedian Damon Wayons “I don’t thinks so, Homey don’t play dat.”
Positivity is a frame of mind created and nurtured by the environment around it. My mother is very ill and dying and my team is slowly but surely dying and I am supposed to be positive? Sorry mate but I am only human and like any human being, I hurt and I feel pain. And what is happening to this team is killing me and I cannot put up a fake front and talk about how sunny it is and how great our team is when I know it’s not true. So again I say I’m sorry for the way I feel and for my negativity. I don’t like bringing other people down, but then again, I don’t like it when other people try to force me to feel up when the situation and circumstances don’t warrant that kind of effort or sacrifice.
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Always in my heart, away to dream of a 4th league tile, remind me bitches,who else can do this?
U under estimate the power of SAF, in my eyes he is god, since St Mirren days, never mind Aberdeen, or confrontations, with the angry man at Arabs. HE as a Scot says is sound as a pound!
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@Karl: The way the Glazer’s are behaving has become the norm for business practices in an environment with very little Government restraint.
People like the Glazers will look at the silly little rules that are put in place, and then work their way around them:- No ethical sense, no sense of conscience for the rubble they leave behind them, only one goal – put as much money as they can in their pockets.
Can I blame them for wanting to make money? No! Can I blame them for how they’re going about it? You bet, mate.
I’ve supported this club since the middle 1960′s, and if want to continue this, these fuckers need to be gone!!
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@Karl: Mate, there is no way until those with power and stroke who live in England, in government and in big business and those especially who live in Manchester and who support the club, stand up and get mad and start doing something. You and I and all the rest around the world who care are only peons waiting for leaders to reign us all in. Once we have the leadership and an organization is created from which to act (much stronger and more powerful than little dust bowl known as MUST), then we all can contribute in any which way we can. Money, ban support tot he club etc. This revolution requires stronger and more powerful voices than us. And right now I can’t even hear a whimper. You know who I would seek out as a spokesman and as leader to chase those Glazer’s out? One of Fergie’s old buddies Tony Blair. That’s the kind of a leader we need to get other powerful people involved in the cause. He’s a major footy fan too.
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@Grognard: try a stone roses track, yell get a clue
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@Redrich: Yes but Keano is a Czar. At least he is to me.
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nite lads enjoy yer blog, maybe see u at the match!
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@Redrich: Absolutely. Now you know why I have so much anger towards Fergie and the like of Chalton, Crerand and Macari for always pushing the corporate brand and unity and never calling anything the way it really is. Company boys they are and they are well paid to be so. You know who we need to be on our side as voices of reason and rebellion? Cantona and Keane. If they spoke out against the Glazer’s that would unify many. Cantona alone could create an army if he chose to.
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@colver: And that’s exactly what is going to happen. They will mask all the doom and gloom with one massive signing which will shut up the zombies who only care about what happens on the field every saturday.
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@Redrich: AY MEN BROTHER!
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On a positive note
the players have requested that the music played on the OT on the p.a. as they come onto the pitch be dropped as it drowns out the crowd. So the club DOES listen to the players
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@Grognard: I really thought that with the team stumbling, and him not able to spend to fix the problem, he would use the opportunity to speak up (or at least make some grumblings that the press would be all over). But he’s been as silent as little lamb, comforted by his big contract and retirement years to come.
You know that I have been a big SAF proponent on this blog, but I have to say that he has lost a lot of respect in the eyes of this United supporter.
What happened to the days when the club was all about 3 things. The Manager, the Players and the Fans. A perfect triangle of equal importance, that nary a soul would mess with.
At United now, it’s become a corporate dictatorship and those 3 things have been tossed into the rubble, along with our finances and our future!
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@ Grog, you know we’re on the same wavelength here. One thing though, dont underestimate the Mancs, you have to really piss them off to get them going, but when they do …….all hell breaks loose. You’re gonna hear it from Craig Mc anyway
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@Scotjimland: I think you’ve posted enough now, mate, to call it “yer” blog too!!
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@colver: Not quite a trophy signing, but apparently the bond has, as expected, freed up some transfer money just in time for Fergie to find some value in the market……
…in the shape of Moussa Sissoko from Tolouse for £12mil. I haven’t heard much about this kid myself, but apparently he’s played twice for France already. He’s 6’1, 20 years old and originally from Mali. He’s a Defensive Midfielder in the Vieira mould.
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@Traverse: Where are you hearing this – Link please!!
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http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Breaking-transfer-news-Manchester-United-open-talks-with-Toulouse-midfielder-Exclusive-article296349.html
Being reported a lot in France apparently.
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@Traverse: What’s your take on this?
DMF – isn’t that Hargreaves role??
Would have thought a striker, a winger or a central defender!!, Go figure.
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@Redrich: It’s a strange one… a very good player for a position we aren’t in real need of. I guess if we have someone like Sissoko then players like Anderson or Fletcher may be let off the leash to maraud and attack.
Anderson was a great attacking prospect when he joined us, and was until Fergie tried to turn him into a Defensive Midfielder when Hargreaves started getting injured.
What’s strange in all the talk about our club is Fergie’s inability to turn it to the teams advantage. In years past he’d have used all this talk into ‘siege mentality’, a term he pretty much invented in football and get the team giving that 5% extra for the the badge and each other that lifted us above all other clubs.
Now is when we need that most.
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@Traverse: I hope it’s not an acceptance of our lot, and the playing out of an end game for himself.
As far as Sissoko is concerned, could it be a final admission that Hargreaves will NOT make it back to the team??
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GOD. I ADORE. REDRANTS!
[reference: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-IJbGwW1ME --- go to 2:14
Gotta love Bottom!]
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btw — Utd playing Hull tomorrow.
VDS (needs games)
Brown/Rafael – Rio – Evans – Fabio/Evra
Valencia – Anderson – Scholes – Giggs/Nani/Obertan
Owen/Berba – Diouf/Owen
The X/Y means either X or Y. So X/Y and Z/U means X playe with Z or Y plays with U.
Would love to see Owen – Diouf or Berba – Diouf
What you say….
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Utd to win it 3-1
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@phoenix red: I hope I do piss them off because they need to get the bug up their asses activated because right now they are in sleep mode. We are all counting on them to wake up and make a stand.
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@Traverse: Yes that will wake up our attack now won’t it. Like we don’t already have enough defensive minded and talentless midfielders. Who’s next Titus Bramble?
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