Jan 27
West Brom v Man Utd: Match Thread
A depleted defence heads off to face the Baggies as United look to maintain it’s position at the top of the table. Everton earning an FA Cup replay against Liverpool hasn’t helped matters for us as we will now have an extra game in January with an already hectic schedule.
Paul Scholes came up with his first XI and, I have to say, I’m surprised Cantona hasn’t even made the bench. Of course, Vida or Jaap Stam losing out to Brown doesn’t make sense to me. But I wouldn’t argue about best United XI’s; it’s someone’s opinion based on the players he’s played with, and he’s certainly in a better position than me to judge. Here’s his first XI:
Schmeichel; G Neville, Ferdinand, Brown, Irwin; Beckham, Keane, Robson (capt), Giggs; Van Nistelrooy, Sheringham.
Substitutes: Ronaldo, Rooney, Tevez, Carrick, Butt, P Neville, Stam.
I also agree with Rob Smyth’s take on it in the Guardian.
Back to today’s game the lads have a good chance of beating Chelsea’s record of going 10 games without conceding. Records always make me happy, but it’s not what I really want today. All I need is a win. And I don’t expect us to waltz through the game either. Considering the injury situation I’d be happy if we can get a goal off Gary Neville’s left ear and win.
But a win is all I ask for. If we break the clean sheet record, great. But it should be only incidental. Reflecting the hunger to win is Paul Scholes:
“It’s great to still be here at this stage of my career. I know the end isn’t far away, but my desire to win things is as strong as ever. I’m at a massive club that demands you win trophies and we’re in a great position to be successful again this season. Hopefully we can see it through.”
Meanwhile Vidic will find out on Friday if he’ll play any part in United’s clash against Inter. His ban could extend upto three matches which beats me because, regardless of what the rules say, the Club World Cup is under the jurisdiction of FIFA and so it must apply to matches that directly come under the purview of FIFA; like Sebia vs Angola, for example.
Anyway, my prediction for today is 1-0 to United. Feel free to add yours below.
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Tags: Game Preview
January 27th, 2009 at 19:20
In these trying times with half of our squad in wheelchairs, a win is just fine with me. I won’t care if we win ugly. To quote the owner of the Oakland Raiders Al Davis. “Just win baby”.
My prediction is optimistic because I think West Brom will miss their back four more than we will miss our boys. 3-1 United.
January 27th, 2009 at 19:25
As a Baggies fan, I expect us to get beat tonight – we have 10 injured first-teamers, much the same as United … but the Red’s reserves could walk into almost any Premiership team! Ronaldo is playing tonight I understand; we have no centre backs left. Nuff said!
January 27th, 2009 at 19:27
United might have a lot of injury concerns but so do West Brom. In fact almost their entire backline is out injured. So as bad as we have it, at least we’re up against another team with issues!
It’s such a shame to see Welbeck and Fabio out injured after Fabio’s promising début and Welbeck’s continuing improvement and maturation during this run of games he’s getting. But as with every other injury so far this season it merely opens the door for another fine youngster to push their way in.
If we get out of this injury crisis relatively unscathed in terms of our title ambitions then i can only come to the conclusion that it is a blessing in disguise.
What i mean by that is that United’s youngsters are having their developments pushed into the limit and they’re being given the opportunity to prove their worth to the manager. Some of them have done just that (Rafael and Evans with a honourable mention for Danny Welbeck). Not only will this benefit the team in the future but it’ll give SAF an even greater understanding of who will probably make it and who will be the next Kerian Richardson.
Another positive to come out of it is the rest that the injured players are having during the busiest time of the season. Sure a winter break would be nicer, but the injured players will have less likely to burn out towards the end of the season as they’ve sat out of 3 weeks plus of action.
I might be laying a lovely big coat of shiny gloss over our injury problems but i can’t help it, i’m a glass half full kinda guy. So as far as i am concerned, every cloud has a silver lining and the development of our youngsters can only be a good thing.
January 27th, 2009 at 19:44
@Rod: hay man, dont be negative. football is a mysterious game, probably the one thing more mysterious then woman. anything, and i mean, anything can happen tonight.
January 27th, 2009 at 19:48
Question folks, who should i have set as my captain on my fantasy team tonight? Berbatov or Ronaldo?
January 27th, 2009 at 19:50
VDS
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eckersly(that name is a bitch to spell
neville(he is just not a good CB, at all)
vida
o’shea
ronaldo
carrick
scholes
nani/tosic
berbatov
tevez
Same back 5
fletcher
carrick/fletcher/giggs
scholes/fletcher/giggs
tevez
ronaldo
nani
But saf loves berbatov and berbatov cant play in a 4-3-3 under saf, so most likely its the first team.
Hopefully tosic will get some game time.
January 27th, 2009 at 19:51
@Nick: berba is the better choice, more on form and more likely to get a goal/assist
Que ronaldo hat trick
January 27th, 2009 at 19:56
@Dan: Make room for Rio
January 27th, 2009 at 20:00
Team News:
GK VDS
RB Neville
CB Ferdinand
CB Vidic
LB O’Shea
RM Ronaldo
CM Carrick
CM Giggs
LM Park
CF Tevez
CF Berbatov
January 27th, 2009 at 20:00
team news?
January 27th, 2009 at 20:01
@JB: subs?
January 27th, 2009 at 20:02
WBA line up:
Carson
Zuiverloon
Pele
Donk
Robinson
Hoefkens
Koren
Valero
Brunt
Simpson
Fortune
January 27th, 2009 at 20:02
i’ll be happy with another late 1-nil win.
January 27th, 2009 at 20:02
oh no, parks back
January 27th, 2009 at 20:03
@Dan: Oh ffs, crippling injury list and that is the first thing you think
January 27th, 2009 at 20:03
@Nick: Neither of them are captain material although if you must have one, choose Ronaldo because at least he has worn the armband before for a half or so and for Portugal. Berbatov may have been captain for Bulgaria but they hate him in his homeland. Politics.
January 27th, 2009 at 20:04
@Grognard: its fantasy football, not real life
January 27th, 2009 at 20:05
@JB: did i push a button
January 27th, 2009 at 20:06
choose berbs as captain.
January 27th, 2009 at 20:06
@Dan: At this point with all the other injuries, having Park back is a relief. Did I just say that? I must give myself 15 lashes with my whip. Damn Grognard
January 27th, 2009 at 20:09
@Dan: So! You must think about it seriously or it’s a jinx. It’s like naming you a starter on the Fellowship of Red Ranters FC. We could have you benched or sold, but we all know that without the Danimator in the middle of the field, we are toast. No Dan would jinx us for sure.
January 27th, 2009 at 20:10
Subs: Kuszczak, Brown, Tosic, Scholes, Fletcher, Gibson, Eckersley
January 27th, 2009 at 20:10
@Grognard: The captain thing basically means that all points they earn are doubled. It’s not a question about literal captain material, i definitely wouldn’t pick either as captain in a real game!
I’m going for Berba as captain
January 27th, 2009 at 20:10
Wes, Rio and Park all make the squad, with Rio and Park straight into the first 11. Anyone else fancy going 3 clear at the top today?
January 27th, 2009 at 20:13
fuck red rants lol
i just pulled my right hamstring getting up to go use the toilet!
bloody hell i forgot how much that hurts
there is a lesson to be learned here, always stretch when going on red rants
January 27th, 2009 at 20:16
@Grognard: I thought i was not possible to think of you as a great man, but now you love sony similar to me, you truly are an amazing man now
, if you love sony, why did you buy the xbox360 i must ask?
my next article on soccerlens is about to be published in 12 hours, it will be about up and coming Brazilian talent, this week it is lulinha
on the game, the line up seem to be pretty good considering the current crisis we are under, i hope we win 2-0, though conceding a goal tonight will kill me considering all the teams we have shut out on the way to this record
January 27th, 2009 at 20:22
@JB: Rio?! Brown?! Park?! Im fucking delighted!
Rio is a Godsend now that our defenders seem to fall like flies, and finally the best CB in the world(Sorry Vidic, but Rio is the boss) returns to the greatest team in the world! Ive missed Rio, you cant imagine. His play is very important to our game, both offensive and defensive. He started teh attack which led to Scholes goal vs Barca, remember? I wanna thank Evans for his play during the absense of Rio, but when you get the best CB in the world back in full fitness there is no doubt for me that he should start. Evans is a player for the future, Rio is the presesnt. Good to have you back Rio! 
Brown was missed, especially now with all the defenders injured. Hopefully no one gets injured in the warm up or anything, that would be devestating. And Park is a good player to have back, but I would like to see Tosic if we lead by 2 or more goals when we are around 65-70 minutes. My new score prediction: 3-0 to United. Ronaldo, Rio and Berbie to score.
COME ON YOU REDS!!!
January 27th, 2009 at 20:23
@Mr.Muhozi: lulinha’s not too great in my FM…
but douglas costa;’s regarded as the next ze roberto. 
January 27th, 2009 at 20:25
Rio’s back, Park’s back, and Brown’s fit enough to be on the bench! Fantastic news, if you ask me. (Dan, I know Park isn’t our most talented player, and I would only play him against top attacking teams so he can run around like a madman and defend, but he certainly does a job for us).
January 27th, 2009 at 20:30
any feeds? please?
January 27th, 2009 at 20:31
its not even squeeky bum time! should bag this one easily,
hope i’m not tempting fate here. 2-0 to the reds. looking for big performances from Berba, Ronaldo and Vida of course! Fletcher and Ronaldo to score
Has anyone got any links pls?
January 27th, 2009 at 20:34
4-1 to United – and WBA score in the 90th minute – meaning that EVDS breaks the record for clean sheets too! Berba (2), Tevez and Ronaldo to bring home the bacon methinks
January 27th, 2009 at 20:36
the match is delayed to 20:15
January 27th, 2009 at 20:36
any sopcast links?
January 27th, 2009 at 20:39
brown on at half or60-65
January 27th, 2009 at 20:42
@ROOOOONEY: try Sopcast Channel – 6543 it’s Setanta US
January 27th, 2009 at 20:44
i mean Dan, not Roooooney
January 27th, 2009 at 20:46
dont bother trying its delayed~~~~~
January 27th, 2009 at 20:46
People, theyve delayed the kickoff for half an hour! Due to traffic or something! Or so say Magic 1153 Total Football.
January 27th, 2009 at 20:48
January 27th, 2009 at 20:48
WTF, Kick off time changed?
January 27th, 2009 at 20:49
Links PLS
January 27th, 2009 at 20:52
@Nick: have you got the full address.
January 27th, 2009 at 20:52
Could someone pls post a working link pls…
January 27th, 2009 at 20:53
@RedDevilEddy: Yes mate, half an hour , 8:15 GMT kickoff. Ive got homework I haven’t done……..
January 27th, 2009 at 21:05
shit! anyone got a link. There’s nothing on myp2p
January 27th, 2009 at 21:09
http://www.justin.tv/epltuesdaylive
This one says that they are gonna show it live
January 27th, 2009 at 21:11
Hey guys
some links on myp2p, you just have to search the forum
http://www.myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=28596&part=sports
January 27th, 2009 at 21:12
Justin.tv I don’t trust. It’s usually rubbish. Theres a sopcast channel that says West Brom v United but they’re playing some R.Madrid game
January 27th, 2009 at 21:14
http://asiaplatetv.com/football.php
The first sopcast link is working on this page, only works for me with internet explorer.
January 27th, 2009 at 21:15
@Liam: Thats the problem with sopcast. Always playing some other random shite.
Feckin Brummies know jack and shit about controlling crowds.
January 27th, 2009 at 21:16
Rio’s back: there goes the streak.
January 27th, 2009 at 21:16
http://www.iraqgoals.com/en/ch2.html
January 27th, 2009 at 21:18
Here’s a shout out to Radzio and redlog.pl, I always go there for streams!
January 27th, 2009 at 21:19
I can’t believe Vidic is wearing sleeves again.
January 27th, 2009 at 21:21
@Patrick: maybe he got some massive tattoos and the worlds not ready for them yet. You know, with all the face melting that could happen. Not to mention all the people he’d fuckin’ murder just for looking at him the wrong way.
January 27th, 2009 at 21:22
Feck! thank you Carrick!
January 27th, 2009 at 21:22
Man Utd: Van der Sar, Neville, Ferdinand, Vidic, O’Shea, Park, Carrick, Giggs, Ronaldo, Berbatov, Tevez.
Subs: Kuszczak, Brown, Tosic, Scholes, Fletcher, Gibson, Eckersley.
Well Well Well!
I was certainly not expecting us to be able to field a team as strong as this one. I hope to God Fergie isn’t rushing people back from injuries so that their injuries recur and we lose them for even longer.
We have a full strength defence and with Ronaldo, Carrick and Giggs supplying Tev and Berbatov Im confident we can score a few goals tonight and win comfortably 2-0. EVDS will get his record and we can rejoice!
Im delighted Brown is fit enough to play on the bench. For me he was a huge factor in our success last season and I expect him to take back the right back position because he is much more defensively solid than Rafael, who is more useful for the games against teams who park the bus.
If these guys really are fit then the injury crisis is almost over and we can steamroll through the rest of the season!
Park back isn’t a bad thing. He’s very good defensively and that will take some of the strain off our defence so they don’t incur any more injuries.
If we
January 27th, 2009 at 21:22
Lucky.
January 27th, 2009 at 21:22
What a shit start.
January 27th, 2009 at 21:24
Ronaldo runs just fast enough to give the impression that he’s tracking back on defense.
January 27th, 2009 at 21:29
God they are shit! anyone else see that! Cant clear a ball!
January 27th, 2009 at 21:29
By they you mean….?
January 27th, 2009 at 21:30
@john freakin’ o’shea: football manager is a decent stat. Lulinha stats are massively skewed mainly because he played division 2 football this past season, and was not very effective, lack of motivation i suppose, is probably the biggest reason.
Douglas costa, i already written something about him on this site, and i may write about him later, comparing to him to Ze reberto is a bit of an insult, as in my opinion Ze reberto is not that great
January 27th, 2009 at 21:34
i feel embarrassed for jos
January 27th, 2009 at 21:35
Broms centre backs. They scuffed up that clearance.
January 27th, 2009 at 21:36
@edwin: Oh yeah. They’re horribly poor. If we don’t get two goals today I’ll be concerned.
January 27th, 2009 at 21:37
@Patrick: Im concerned now! We just cant get a clear cut chance!
January 27th, 2009 at 21:38
any links guys the ones here arent working
please give me 1 tht works
thnks
January 27th, 2009 at 21:39
YEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!
GET IN!
January 27th, 2009 at 21:39
berbatop
January 27th, 2009 at 21:40
This West Brom defense is the poorest we’ve seen all year. They don’t even seem to care about tackling. Meters of space for everyone and not a tackler in the side.
January 27th, 2009 at 21:41
carrick and berbatov are linking up well. i’m beginning to like watching us play again.
January 27th, 2009 at 21:41
There our Spurs connection again, Carrick beautifully to Berbatov. I’m so glad i put Berbatov as my captain
January 27th, 2009 at 21:41
wonder strike by berba! woot!
January 27th, 2009 at 21:41
Why did I doubt this guy! he’s been like a different player this last month. Consider me silenced King Berba!
January 27th, 2009 at 21:43
OOOOHH! Tevez!
January 27th, 2009 at 21:43
@Patrick: you’re right, there is something about vidic and long sleeves that don’t quite go well together…
January 27th, 2009 at 21:44
Vidic is also starting to look like a different player, but not in a good way
I blame the sleeves 
but he is looking a lot more sloppy these opening stages
January 27th, 2009 at 21:44
http://www.iraqgoals.com/en/ch2.html is working.
0-1. Exquisite pass from Carrick. Berba scores.
January 27th, 2009 at 21:44
Has anyone seen Ronaldo’s ego?
January 27th, 2009 at 21:45
link to watch the game.
http://live2net.blogspot.com/
January 27th, 2009 at 21:45
How did he miss?
January 27th, 2009 at 21:45
What a beautiful break, not quite of the quality of that break between Rooney and Ronaldo against Bolton a few years ago but still fantastic. Shame Tevez couldn’t stick it the other side of the post
January 27th, 2009 at 21:45
@Liam: I told you all! The sleeves are cursed.
January 27th, 2009 at 21:46
@Patrick:
nice one
January 27th, 2009 at 21:46
PLEEEEEEASE get rid of those SLEEVES Vidic! I beg You!
(sorry RR)
January 27th, 2009 at 21:48
Those sleaves are going to cost us silver if he doesn’t stop this soon.
January 27th, 2009 at 21:49
THATS A PENALTY REFEREE YOU CUNT!
AAARGH!
January 27th, 2009 at 21:49
Did Ronaldo get dumped or something? Why does he seem so sad?
January 27th, 2009 at 21:50
My stream is saying that it wont show the 2nd half
January 27th, 2009 at 21:50
we could have been 3 up by now.
January 27th, 2009 at 21:51
@bildani: We should be three up by now
January 27th, 2009 at 21:52
we should be 3-0 up!
January 27th, 2009 at 21:52
Another missed opportunity, we NEED to put these away!
January 27th, 2009 at 21:53
why is ronaldo so hurried to get rid of the ball these days?
January 27th, 2009 at 21:53
It’s like we hit the wall at 1-0 away from home
January 27th, 2009 at 21:56
@bildani: I think he’s heartbroken, mate. Haven’t seen a lad look this sad in years. Before he’d get angry when he made mistakes. Now he just looks in despair. I have no idea what’s going on with him, but it’s serious at this point. He just doesn’t look like the same person, muchless the same player. I miss the obnoxious Ronaldo that I hated. This passive, dejected Ronaldo is troubling.
January 27th, 2009 at 21:57
Come On! How the feck did that hapeen!
January 27th, 2009 at 21:57
wow whats wrong with ronaldo
January 27th, 2009 at 21:58
WAHEY! OFF YOU GO YOU CUNT!
Come on United! take the advantage!
January 27th, 2009 at 22:00
Wow, that looks like a dreadful tackle, i hope Park is okay. when i saw it in real time i thought it was a fair tackle, but from replays it definitely deserves a red card. poor tackle
January 27th, 2009 at 22:01
Thanks Scott! Well in Tevez!
January 27th, 2009 at 22:02
wow we will have no luck for the rest of the season after this match lol
January 27th, 2009 at 22:04
That is why Scott Carson is not an England International
January 27th, 2009 at 22:04
Why is Tevez exchanging kits at halftime?
January 27th, 2009 at 22:05
I kinda feel sorry for West Brom. They at least came to play.
January 27th, 2009 at 22:05
@Liam: Too bad they’re a dreadful side.
January 27th, 2009 at 22:06
would it be mean if i said that i was half expecting tevez to miss that?
January 27th, 2009 at 22:07
@Patrick: ha ha. maybe he thinks that the game is over, compensating for the late start and all!
January 27th, 2009 at 22:08
3 points is vital, but no more injuries please!
January 27th, 2009 at 22:09
@magno: do you know what the deal is with the stream? thanks for the 1st half btw
January 27th, 2009 at 22:09
Good entertaining first half. Defensively they’ve given us problems as you would expect with their combination of speed and skill, with brute strength and height. But saying that bar the odd Neville and O’Shea blunder we’ve not really been breached.
Our attacking play has been a lot better today and i really really really hope that we go out in the second half and make them suffer. A good opportunity for Ronaldo to get his eye for goal again.
i’d be happy with a final score of 3-0 but i would love anything up of 5 goals
January 27th, 2009 at 22:11
@Liam: Have you got the Setanta US stream that’s saying that the second half won’t be shown? I have used this stream before and it’s always shown the second half. I am going to scout out for more Sopcast links just in case this one does cut out.
January 27th, 2009 at 22:12
@Mr.Muhozi: I buy the XBOX 360 simply because better games are made for it and because the PS3 was in development Hell for too long. It may eventually catch up but Halo and Gears of War is not PS3 title and personally, Metal Gear Solid doesn’t do it for me. I think the graphics are close but XBOX wins now that they have solved the Red Ring of Death. One day I might buy the PS3 when they make it more affordable for the common man.
As for Sony, nobody makes better tv’s in my book. But my favorite company out there is and always will be Apple. I love my iMAC computer and my iPod and they do make the most wonderful toys.
January 27th, 2009 at 22:14
@Nick: yeah but I went to their website and got a stream there just to be sure. I’ll link it if you have a problem
January 27th, 2009 at 22:15
I can now honestly say that there exists an attacking players who finishing is worse than Andersons- His name is Cristiano Ronaldo.
How the fuck can he miss these chances. Yeah, from 40 yards he can score, with a whole team in front of him. But when he is through with the goalkeeper and nearly and open goal he misses. He needs to sort it out, I really hope he scores in the second half. Hell, Im hoping more for Ronaldo to score than Anderson at the moment! Come on Ronny, give us a goal. 
Vidic should stop wearing sleeves, it just quite simply aint him. He looks like a totally different player, more like Oshea than the Terminator.
Carson sucks, West Brom play dirty and Berbatov is in the form of his life. Thats my summary for the fits half. For the second half my wishlist is at least 2 more goals, Ronaldo to score and United to keep a clean sheet. COME ON YOU REDS!!!
January 27th, 2009 at 22:15
I could tell before Park even got to the ball that it was gonna be a red card challenge.
January 27th, 2009 at 22:16
Does anybody find it weird that America gets better coverage than us of games? It’s so ironic. I can’t even get 1 NBA game a week and they get all United games
January 27th, 2009 at 22:17
any luck on the stream?
January 27th, 2009 at 22:18
Park played quite well in the first half. I know a lot of people on here don’t like him, but i thought he was our best player up until we scored then everybody else started picking their game up.
January 27th, 2009 at 22:18
I wan’t Giggs to score. He’s scored in every PL season except this one so I hope it happens
January 27th, 2009 at 22:18
Hrm, anyone else’s stream die? My sopcast has gone down..boo…
January 27th, 2009 at 22:19
@Liam: Yeah, but I pay for it mate. It’s $15.00 a month for Setanta, so it’s not as though it’s free.
January 27th, 2009 at 22:19
Well not too much to be upset about so far. United have played great and have created chances. Thanks to Scotty Carson for being a muppet and to Rob Styles for getting right for once. Was that a foul on Neville? So fast that it was truly a hard one to call but I for one think that the defender got the ball first. Greta goal from Berba, as he is really in charge out there. Back four looks tight although Nev has coughed it up a few times. Really EVDS should get a tanning lamp and a towel and just lay down and relax. As for Ronaldo, honestly, this guy is just a shadow of his former self. He has absolutely no confidence whatsoever. You can tell by how quickly he gets rid of the ball. Nevertheless, even at 35% efficiency, he’s still pretty damned good. Park has been good but his dribbling has cost him today. Carrick has been very involved at both ends and his passing has been great and Tevez, well Carlito is all over the place and doing all the things we love to see from him. He scored a gift goal but he really should have scored from that low cross from Ronaldo on that classic counter. Good stuff.
January 27th, 2009 at 22:20
They even show GAA in America? that’s ridiculous. 2nd half hasn’t started on my stream yet but it’s still Setanta so fingers crossed
January 27th, 2009 at 22:20
@Liam: Its because you guys dont know how to bitch and whine like we do
Start berating your tv provider and tell them what you want. if enough people voice their opinion then they will cave in to your demands.
January 27th, 2009 at 22:20
@Grognard: Fair points, but Im a PS3 Fanboy, and quite a polar opposite. I believe Metal Gear Solid is simply a masterpiece and Hideo Kojima should be made a God and sit next to Jesus. I never got halo or gears, but i absolutely love cod. oh and for the record, the ps3 is more powerful……….
January 27th, 2009 at 22:21
YES! just as I thought it was going to cut out it’s back
January 27th, 2009 at 22:21
Okay! gaming aside, Come on United! Lets get some goal difference on the table!
January 27th, 2009 at 22:23
@Liam: Try this: sop://broker.sopcast.com:3912/26342
January 27th, 2009 at 22:23
@Liam: I had an inkling it would, it’s just a ploy they use to get people to click on their adds and to earn them cash
January 27th, 2009 at 22:23
@Grognard: a polar opposite to you, just to clear that up
January 27th, 2009 at 22:24
@Patrick: It’s like 20 euro over here and that’s if you don’t buy Sky Sports which is another 20+ euro so I think you have it slightly better
January 27th, 2009 at 22:25
@Liam: Please give me the link man. iraqgoals isnt working
January 27th, 2009 at 22:30
Hell of a cross
January 27th, 2009 at 22:32
cock that was close.
January 27th, 2009 at 22:35
He was even able to overcome his sleeves. He’s a superhero.
January 27th, 2009 at 22:35
@raj k: http://cric7.com/
you can only play it if you have sopcast
January 27th, 2009 at 22:36
Fuckin’ love those sleeves now!
January 27th, 2009 at 22:36
Get in vida!
January 27th, 2009 at 22:37
@Patrick: when it comes to corners, he is the new ronaldo. and thus the sleeves.
January 27th, 2009 at 22:38
Who says Park has no skill
January 27th, 2009 at 22:38
Player of the year!
January 27th, 2009 at 22:39
damn exercise interfering with my united schedule, any guys want to fill me in on what i have missed
January 27th, 2009 at 22:39
What are the odds of Vida overtaking Ronaldo’s goal tally this year?
January 27th, 2009 at 22:40
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH ROOOOOOOOOONAAAAAAAAAAALDOOOOOOOO!
January 27th, 2009 at 22:41
Viva Ronaldooooooo!
January 27th, 2009 at 22:41
@antsBoy: You idiot! Did you think Ronaldo would never score again this season..even this match???!!
January 27th, 2009 at 22:43
Put Tosic on!
January 27th, 2009 at 22:43
the passion of ronaldo
January 27th, 2009 at 22:43
nice goal by ronaldo, giggs is having a blinder it seems, already 2 assists
January 27th, 2009 at 22:44
Wow. You can tell from Ronny’s reaction that he really, really wanted that.
January 27th, 2009 at 22:45
1.Carrick 2.Berba 3.Giggs MOTM
January 27th, 2009 at 22:46
‘he’s cracking up, he’s cracking up, he’s cracking up. Rafa’s cracking up’
Our fans are fantastic!
January 27th, 2009 at 22:47
Carrick deserved a goal there
January 27th, 2009 at 22:47
FIVE! YEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSS
January 27th, 2009 at 22:48
@Grognard: I am quite shocked to hear you say metal gear is not you’re cup of tea, for me metal gear solid 4 is the best game i have ever played since final fantasy 7 (excluding MLB08 the show:GRIN:) it is just exquisite and the finest blend of movie and gameplay ever seen in a game, and OH SO MUCH fun to play, seriously i would warrant splashing out on a PS3 just for metal gear solid, i can not wait for killzone 2 and my girlfriend is pushing me to get resident evil 5.
Apple for me has never won me over i must say, they have great hardware and good software, but i will forever be loyal to sony, their new touch screen mp4 player which sony is brining out soon looks amazing and really does rival the Itouch, and finally brings acclaim back to the walkman name
January 27th, 2009 at 22:48
For the past month that ball would have hit Carson’s leg. Nice to see a little luck for our side today.
January 27th, 2009 at 22:48
back peddling berba!
January 27th, 2009 at 22:48
And I thought we had problems with our back 4
the jinx worked again. Say hello to King Berba-my greatest creation 
January 27th, 2009 at 22:49
outstanding
plenty of time for 6 or more!
January 27th, 2009 at 22:50
@Mr.Muhozi: Word up my friend! you should get that ps3…….
January 27th, 2009 at 22:50
It speaks poorly for the state of the EPL that these two sides exist in the same league. How embarrassing is the gap between the two sides?
January 27th, 2009 at 22:51
Even when Ronaldo has a bas season he scores loads. That’s 12 so far I think
January 27th, 2009 at 22:51
Wahey! Here comes Tosic!
January 27th, 2009 at 22:51
I know it’s pointless posting this now, but before the game I said to my mate:
1 Tevez,
1 Berba,
2 Ronaldo.
Prediction true so far.
January 27th, 2009 at 22:53
wOOO TOSIC IS ON
January 27th, 2009 at 22:56
I suppose it says a lot that I gave Berbatov a standing ovation. He has completely changed my opinion on him in the last few games. He has been working harder, making the runs I expect of an out and out striker and still retaining his 1st touch and passing, which were always sublime
January 27th, 2009 at 22:57
Tosic for next goeal.
January 27th, 2009 at 22:58
@Liam: Has Van der Sar reached his record??
January 27th, 2009 at 23:00
@Shyam: yes he had and we are less than 10 minutes from breaking the team record
January 27th, 2009 at 23:00
WEVE BROKEN THE SCUM’S RECORD! I LOVE YOU VAN DER SAR MY NAMESAKE AND IDOL!
January 27th, 2009 at 23:01
@Mr.Muhozi: Cool…our defense need that recognition …because they have bailed us out big time early this season while we were experimtenting with our midfield and attack!!..
January 27th, 2009 at 23:02
heart in mouth there when WB were attacking in the 83rd minute
would’ve been just our luck
January 27th, 2009 at 23:03
Well done United and Van Der Sar! My namesake and Idol! 9apart form Schmeichel)
January 27th, 2009 at 23:03
What a save
January 27th, 2009 at 23:05
@Shyam: i know, our defence has been surprisingly strong considering all the chopping and changing we have done to it, ah wells more records for sir Alex Ferguson
January 27th, 2009 at 23:06
Sometimes I wish that the level of competition was greater in the EPL. 1020 minutes without conceding? As impressive as that is, it really shouldn’t happen. It speaks volumes about the disparity between sides in this league when we can be on top of the league without even playing well. We’ve been winning matches 1-0 for as long as I can remember and have barely dropped a point. Teams simply can’t break through our defense. I always find myself wishing that the talent was a bit more centralized in football. Who does it serve to have all the best players scattered among a dozen leagues? In what other realm of sport is it like this? I would love to see United square up against more talented sides every weekend then watch us destroy sickly sides like West Brom. In what strange universe should these teams be in the same league? What is our operating budget, 150 times as large as theirs?
There should be a super league where all the best talent can test themselves against the best talent. The diluted pool of talent that exists in today’s leagues makes everything less valuble. Should two goals against West Brom be worth as much as two goals against Barca, Inter, Juve, Real, Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal, Bayern, Milan, Villareal, Lyon, etc.? It’s hard to tell. I’d much rather see a centralized super league with a greater talent pool than have to go years between seeing some of the worlds best players on the same pitch.
January 27th, 2009 at 23:07
we are top of the league, we are top of the league
and with 2 new records to talk about, incredible
January 27th, 2009 at 23:08
Good to see this…. “Tevez plays in Giggs.The Welshman then squares it for Ronaldo who slots home 4-0″ “Tevez plays in Carrick who drags his shot just wide! Almost 5″ “Tevez plays in Berbatov, the Bulgarian heads goalwards and plays a lovely little ball through to Ronaldo who puts it through Carson’s legs” 5-0….A complete team player – TEVEZ…
He is pretty sure that he is gonna leave in summer…he doesnt sulk a bit..
So bad that his ownership is in bad hands…i would take him in United any day!!..
January 27th, 2009 at 23:08
A job bloody well done. Thats all from me people! Have a good evening! Good night!
January 27th, 2009 at 23:08
great show tonight! couldnt pick the MOTM if i wanted to, berba, carrick, and giggs did great! tevez and ronny looked sharp. haha i enjoyed the match today. hopefully this goes on.
oh always great to see brown and rio back in the team…
January 27th, 2009 at 23:12
Too lazy to do player ratings, great performances by Berba, Giggs, Carrick and Tevez. honourable mentions to Park who was very good and Ronaldo for the 2 goals. jeez that’s our whole front 6
January 27th, 2009 at 23:12
well that was utter tosh
January 27th, 2009 at 23:12
Ronaldo could have easily had a hattrick today, but I’m not complaining..two goals is good enough! That said, I think if Evra and Rooney were playing today, we would have won by atleast 2-3 more. Scary thought!
January 27th, 2009 at 23:12
Excellent, just the tonic we needed! I personally can’t pick between Berbatov, Carrick or Tevez for MotM, but the whole team put on a great.
January 27th, 2009 at 23:14
Patrick thats what the Champions League is for.
January 27th, 2009 at 23:15
@Will: So that we can play against good competition once or twice a month? Even then you only get to play 3, 4 or 5 of the best teams in Europe annually. That’s simply not enough.
January 27th, 2009 at 23:20
Great game for the guys and it didn’t hurt us that the referee had courage to make tough decisions. The challenge was dangerous and IMO was a red card. Also respect to West Brom, cause they actually tried to get something. Our finishing is not at it’s pick yet (
5:0 I know, but should have been more and earlier), but this was another step forward. Was happy to see Rio and Wes back, now if we can get Rooney and Evra back too, that will help us a lot. I thought it was a great game for everyone, but we still can play way better. In the end I am very delighted with this win and will be hoping for Wigan to get a result. Next game is another important one, cause it will give us an opportunity to extend the lead.
January 27th, 2009 at 23:21
In a perfect world there would be a league like that
January 27th, 2009 at 23:22
@Patrick:- I disagree…teams like WBA exist in all leagues…and it doesn’t depreciate the quality and level of competition in the EPL…over the past 2 maybe 3 years we have had the best defense in a footballing side..before that Chelsea featuring an invincible Petr Cech…now its us..one of the many reasons we are where we are is because of the above…or would have the substandard defending that is featured so common these days in the la liga?…one of the great things about the EPL is how teams adapt over seasons to different kinds of players..teams these days know how to stop Chelsea, shut down Ronaldo, and absolutely get away with murder against Arsenal…we have had the most tightest games this season…no team will ever offer us a quarter or none is shown to any top 4 team….our points table is proof of that…these teams have limited resources and invariably work magic at the end of the year to stay afloat…these differences are what make this David and Goliath encounters so enjoyable and yet equally painfull..otherwise watch american sports
January 27th, 2009 at 23:22
@Will: That was my point.
January 27th, 2009 at 23:22
@Patrick: And despite all the hype about the Champions League the games usually get progressively duller with each knockout stage. Teams would show just too much respect. The way the sport is structured with EU’s free player movement etc. even a super league would eventually funnel up to a “super big four” of some sort.
January 27th, 2009 at 23:27
@Patrick: @Will: In a perfect world for who though? Us? What do you leave the lesser teams in England with after the top four go? Sounds a bit selfish to me.
January 27th, 2009 at 23:28
@Red Ranter: Champions League games are duller because the CL is a tournament. It is natural to play more defensive when every goal is of such importance. If it were league play it would be far more open. Just look at the EPL. When are the games more free-flowing, when we play a bottom-dweller or when we play an equal side? The crap sides always pack 10 in the box and it is a constant complaint on this board.
January 27th, 2009 at 23:28
@JB: Oh, it is selfish.
January 27th, 2009 at 23:30
YIPEE!!!
That was one of the most enjoyabe games i’ve watched United play this season. We totally dominated the game, scored plenty, conceded none, set a new record and got some of our returning/new players valuable playing time…. Bring on the Toffees!! we’ll chew them up and spit them outta Old Trafford (pun intended 
).
What also really impressed me about today is the fact that United are not playing at top gear. It’s just scary!! We seem to coast thru games and turn it on when needed and yet, we are still effective. As soon as WBA threatened to score, we turned up the heat and it was game over!! Same with Spurs last weekend, as soon as they scored, we stepped up and got two goals b4 half time!! It’s just crazy to fathom what United will do to teams towards the end of the season when we do not need to conserve energy???
There were too many star performers in the team tonight, none got below a 7 for me. However, there is one man I just have to mention and his name is Berbatov!! This guy is class personified!! How does this guy make everything look so simple? Even the most difficult situations and chances he gets, he manges to pull them off without breaking a sweat!! Seriously, with the wealth of talent supporting him around United, he will sure be in real contention for player of the year very soon. I just love this guy, he makes us play at another level and when the rest of the squad tune in sharply to his frequency, I don’t think there is any defence in the world that can stop us scoring. Guess what I’m saying is, Berba is my MOTM !
January 27th, 2009 at 23:31
@Mr.Muhozi: I am not a big fan of 3d shooters to begin with. I like sports games and then I like games that require stealth and skill. Mass Effect, Assassin’s Creed and Splinter Cell are my favorite games for that reason. I am not into thumb bashing. I like games that have discovery and awe in them. Metal Gear may look good but Call of Duty 4 is just as good in my opinion and it’s the kind of game I have played too much of.
January 27th, 2009 at 23:33
@JB: I honestly think he did that by accident.
January 27th, 2009 at 23:35
That was the United I know and love! Finally, its a long time now since Ive seen anything that is close to a decent away game from the lads. This was brilliant, and I am delighted about the five goals and the clean sheet. New record, top of the table, scoring goals for fun(Not used that term for a long time
) and with a game in hand. There are lots of positives to take out of this match.
First of all, a win away from home is always hard and feels sweet. But to win 5-0 away from home is really good. Even if its against a rubbish side like West Brom. Last season, despite our dominance in most games, we only scored 4 goals against the relegated teams away from home. Says something I feel… And it could be more! Ronaldo could have scored 4 goals, Tevez could have had a hat-trick, and Giggs, Carrick and Berba all had great chances. It was a magnificent match, especially because we not only got the win but we also got Rio, Brown and Park back. And we added to our goal differnce, which I feel will be very important in the end. This years race is closer than ever, adn we all know what happend last May.
Ronaldo scored- FINALLY!!! Been waiting for that a long time! His first Prem goal since November, then against Stoke. You could see his relief after his first goal and that will defo get his confidence up. His confidence is hugely important to our team, so this will do us a world of good.
My Man of the match was Giggs. Berbatov, Ronaldo, Tevez and Park all deserve plaudits, but Giggsy was simply magnificent. 3 assists(He took the free-kick for Carson horror show) and a very solid performance. Whoever this lad is, sign him up Fergie!
January 27th, 2009 at 23:37
My men of the match, berba, carrick, giggs, and park had a pretty good game to.
January 27th, 2009 at 23:37
@Patrick: No No No!! I am a huge basketball fan but with the nba and north american set up(which is what resembles what you are talking about), it makes it hard to develop a true devotion to your team.
because the whole thing is just entertainment.
i mean the players a true athlets like you dont find anywhere else, but they are only mercineries. the thing is with the relegation thing is it builds clubs both strong and weak, but they are equally loved by their supporters.on the other hand if a team is doing bad in the nba you can bet that their stadium is gonna be empty for their next home game.
thats why collage ball is so big in the states, because it resembels the patriotism you get towards your club in europe. nba,nfl, and so on, are just a franchise you can move if the owner feels like it.
January 27th, 2009 at 23:39
@Red Ranter: Btw, RR, nice to have you back!!
Just wanna let u know that in your absence, I was being cyberbullied by many on this blog, with Patrick being the main culprit. 
maybe u could ‘ave a word with ‘im … 
January 27th, 2009 at 23:40
@Gabriel: I hope you aren’t even slightly serious, mate.
January 27th, 2009 at 23:44
BTW, have you guys also noticed how we always seem to score from Giggsys corners when he blasts them in instead of chipping them in?
Keep it up Ryan!
January 27th, 2009 at 23:44
How did giggs spot Ronaldo for that lay-off? Thank god for giggs too, because Ronaldo desperately needed a goal.
Tosic looks a little out of depth so far, but to be fair he just came to the side and january transfers are tough on any player.
January 27th, 2009 at 23:47
Spurs are taking Stoke apart right now.
January 27th, 2009 at 23:47
does anyone know how simpson is doing at blackburn?
January 27th, 2009 at 23:48
Carson must be embarrased. Aside from his mistake for Tevez goal, from the 8 other goals United have scored against him this season 3 have gone through his legs.
AIRCONDITION!
January 27th, 2009 at 23:49
@Patrick: just playing bro…
was looking for a witty finish to that post and that’s what I came up with 
guess I shoulda taken those stand-up classes a bit more seriously 
January 27th, 2009 at 23:53
@johnsom33: Dont think he’s got much of a chance to break the 1st team with Brown, Rafael and G. Nev in front of him
January 28th, 2009 at 0:01
That was absolutely fabulous. I have been waiting for that United team to show up all season. Sure their best game was probably vs Chelsea but this was their most awesome performance in terms of attacking football.
All season I have been crying for more pace, vision and better movement on and off the ball. Tonight the lads delivered on all fronts and even managed to finish with more clinical efficiency, even though they could have scored 12 tonight. Their passing was fantastic and the use of quality 1,2’s was a delight to behold. The Berbatov goal as well as both Ronaldo goals almost gave me an orgasm. That’s the kind of football the Grognard wants to see. That is the best of the continental game on display.
Great performances by the team so here is a rare player review for all of you.
EVDS – 6/10 Really had nothing to do and anytime West Brom came close the ball was high or hit the post. Really should invest in a deck chair and some sun glasses.
NEVILLE – 6.5/10 Honestly, not his best game since coming back. He gave the ball away a few too many times in the first half but then settled down. Just nothing really major to talk about in his performance.
RIO – 7/10 How good has Vidic become? So good that he has made Rio seem invisible out there. Quietly did his job and never got a step wrong.
VIDIC – 8.5/10 Another fantastic performance and a goal to boot. Clearly the PFA player of the season in my books. A monster on defense.
O’SHEA – 7.5/10 Never had much to do but when threatened he tackled well and cleared the ball with composure. Made some good forward runs and was more supportive of Ronaldo up front than he usually is.
PARK – 7.5/10 Was working hard and being a pest all night but offensively he still had problems finishing off passes or shots. Still had a good game and had one great moment of skill that I still feel was more fluke than skill.
CARRICK – 9/10 Was outstanding tonight as his passing and tracking back was top notch. Looked in charge in the middle and was more assertive offensively. When he plays like this, one forgets that we are often lacking in the middle of the midfield. His ball to Berbatov for the disallowed goal has been just what I have been demanding all season.
GIGGS – 7.5/10 Had some very great moments on counters and delivered some great through balls but there were also times where he seemed a little slow or where his touch deserted him. But he still does look rejuvenated since the Chelsea game.
RONALDO – 7/10 How can you give somebody who scored two goals only 7? Well frankly, he squandered so many chances and looked awful in the first half. He rebounded well in the second but still missed some great opportunities. I think the two goals will help his confidence though and I really respected his composure tonight. Even though he was fouled a few times and had three bad calls for off side called against him, I like the fact that he controlled himself. A good sign.
TEVEZ – 8.5/10 The man needs to enroll for Workaholics Anonymous. Was everywhere tonight and gave a great effort. Unlucky not to have a few more goals and his understanding with Berbatov is getting better. One knock however is that I do notice that when he shoots the ball he always elevates the ball. This always gives keepers a better chance to save his shots. I think if he could learn to keep the ball low and hard, he would score more.
BERBATOV – 9/10 For me the man of the match. He just controlled the game in the first half with his moves, deft touches and great passes. His goal was fantastic interplay and great finishing and then in the second he was unlucky to not be given a second goal on what was called offside because he had not clipped his toenails enough. He is really looking more and more comfortable.
BROWN – 6/10 Never had much to do but was a little suspect on some high balls that were headed high in the second half. Still, it is great to see him back.
ECKERSLEY – 7/10 The lad never got a thing wrong and looked composed when pressured. Too bad for him he has three players in front of him. I think he will be loaned out next season because it would be a shame to not let him get that valuable experience.
TOSIC – ???? Not enough time to really get involved int he game and never really saw much of the ball. He looks enthusiastic but in both his cameo’s I am surprised that he isn’t showing as much jump in his speed as I remember seeing him possess. Still, he may just be a little tentative right now for obvious reasons. Give the lad time.
FERGIE – 9/10 He got it all right today with his team selection, even with Park starting. Really let the team play and never forced them or let them settle for one or two goals. The team looked prepared, confident and hungry. Great job by the Gaffer.
January 28th, 2009 at 0:03
yeah but G. Neville is done, and wes brown is 30.
January 28th, 2009 at 0:03
Has anyone else noticed a more calm and composed Ronaldo since his car crash?
January 28th, 2009 at 0:08
@RM: Yeah, but he seems to be a little too much thoughtful fo what I remember him by. I think the carcrash has changed him a little, in a bad way and a good way. But as long as he keeps scoring and wee keep winning, who cares how he behaves?! (I really hope this wont bite me in the arse later…
)
January 28th, 2009 at 0:09
@RM: Yes, I have. In fact I commented on his composure and lack of childishness tonight. A good sign and perhaps a knock on the door from God scared him into growing up a bit and realizing that being a childish piece of crap won’t get him anywhere. I think he is just happy to be alive and knows how closely it all almost ended for him. A sudden dose of reality can be very sobering indeed.
January 28th, 2009 at 0:11
I dont like to brag or anything but i was 1 of the few on here who always stood by berbatov and said he would come good so im pleased now that he is showing his undoubted class. You have to look at what he offers the team to see why he is so valuable. 11 goals in all comps and must have atleast 10 assists in all competitions, a great return really when you look at it. He cost us big money but finally looks to be repaying it back, hes easily on course for 20 goals which is a good return. My message to every1, give our players time, they dont all come in and perform like world beaters straight away.
January 28th, 2009 at 0:13
Giggs in the form of his life, Berba in the form of his life, Ronaldo back among the goals, Rio, Brown and Park back, Tevez scoring again, Tosic playing again, United getting a clean sheet record… Things are on the up!
January 28th, 2009 at 0:14
@Matthew: Im pretty sure Berba put all his detractors to the sword awhile ago. I cant rememebr the last time I heard an anti-berba rant.
January 28th, 2009 at 0:17
@Patrick: Actually the games between big four sides are usually dull affairs. You’ll have the odd 3-0. But games like United-Liverpool or United-Chelsea are typically cagey because the teams are scared to lose. They are usually decided on a single goal difference, and fans tend to be so scared that it saps the enjoyment out of the game eventually. They are star studded, but usually, they are dull affairs if you look beyond the hype.
January 28th, 2009 at 0:17
I think Ronaldo will start banging them in now. Although Everton will not be easy to beat.
January 28th, 2009 at 0:19
@RM: Ronaldo has a habit of scoring against Everton at Old Trafford…
January 28th, 2009 at 0:23
BUt now if Ronaldo scores I can say told you so, while if Everton win I can also say I told you so. I covered all my smart arse bases.
January 28th, 2009 at 0:28
@RM: I reckon 2-0 with a Ronaldo brace.
@Grognard: something weird is going on here. That is 3 optimistic comments by you in 24 hours. New record? I suppose I can’t talk though because I have now seen the light with regards to Berbatov.
January 28th, 2009 at 0:34
johnsom33, oh yeah mate i mean a couple of weeks ago say b4 xmas when every1 was complaining about him. I actually knew his form would pick up as in his 2 years at spurs by xmas he had 7 and 8 goals yet still ended the season with 23, and once again he looks like his form is picking up in this 2nd half of the season and could again be on course for 23 goals. I just meant when people were complaining about him i was standing by him and so was fergie and we are seeing the best of him now. Well done berba.
January 28th, 2009 at 1:02
@Matthew: Eh more people stood by Berba than were Liam-ing him. He was rubbish back then, but he’s not now so my fickleness has taken over. Glory fan eh?
January 28th, 2009 at 1:05
Missed the game as I was taken out for my birthday. My son was keeping score texts coming or I could not have coped.
Your comments have taken me through the match beautifully and it is wonderful so many have gone up the wooden hill to blanket fair in great contentment. First game I’ve missed this season. Hope I’m not a jinx.
January 28th, 2009 at 1:13
Pure fucking Berba magic, triangles going off all over the place, Carrick>Berba>Ronaldo, Berba>Ronaldo>Teves, Park>Teves>Ronaldo, Carrick>Giggs>Berba, Carrick>Ronaldo>Teves
I’m not gonna get too carried away here considering we played a relegation team down to 10 men, but Uniteds’ intent was just what we were all looking for, that telepathic thing is back, thank fuck. lets hope we put our foot down now and leave the rest behind. Attack, Attack, Attack! We need to reciprocate this perfomance against much much tougher opposition like Inter.
There was alot of sterling performances out there, Giggs, Berba, Carrick,Teves, Ronaldo, Park, Vidic and the best thing was they all looked like they were really enjoying it! And a huge shout out to our away support, fuckin loud, funny and boisterous. Even got a Van Nistlerooy chant in, the Best Fans in the World.
January 28th, 2009 at 1:53
@Liam: Sorry for butting in, but Berba was not rubbish “back then”. Notice how recently the frequency of his assists stats have dwindled, compared to his scoring frequency. Scoring goals for a striker is not the end all and be all. Most of us here recognised this.
On a side note, RR, would you please put up the “new post up” comment at end of old threads, as I was refreshing the old thread not seeing anyone commenting in-game? I was so used to those looonnnggg threads, see…
(though I deem I was pretty stupid for not realising the new post was up…)
My MOTM: Giggs
January 28th, 2009 at 2:02
@Grognard: Agree with your ratings except for Giggs and Vida, grog!
Giggs was imperious in intercepting west brom moves and contributed greatly to putting the accelerator in CM. Seems to me that a 35 year old Giggs still has quicer feet than Carrick (whose feet, despite being leaded, are magical in passing precision). And what about those assists?
9/10
Vida, on the other hand, still had a few poor toushes, especially in the first half and compared to his flawless recent, short-sleved performances, but the goal he scored tends to make us not take them into consideration. 7.5/10
January 28th, 2009 at 2:03
ahem we have caught up to chelscum on goal dif. 29 from 22 games we are officially pulling ahead
January 28th, 2009 at 3:54
@Grognard:
“God scared him into growing up” !!??
I think it’s called “Learning from your experiences” He’s still a young man and his life will mature naturally from these experiences!!
Oh, and are you joking again??? I can never tell.
Great result by the way. It would be hard to knock it. Even against a bottom feeder, the 5-0 result, the players missing because of injury, the pressure of the schedule etc., etc.,. SAF had ‘em up for this and it’s now put the pressure on Chelski and the Filth to make the same kind of statement.
January 28th, 2009 at 4:00
@Liam: I’m being held at gunpoint by the Positive Correctness Terrorist Brigade and they are forcing me to send messages of peace and love. Once I escape I will return and cause havoc and let slip the dogs of war.
January 28th, 2009 at 4:05
@Redrich: I wasn’t joking but then again, it was not meant to be a serious religious point either. I was just expressing the fact that the lad had a close encounter with his maker and this probably woke him up about what is truly important. At least for a while until the trappings of life make him forget the message. Unless you have had a close call, it’s hard to understand how it humbles you and changes your perspective on life and the way you have been.
January 28th, 2009 at 4:07
Or as “The Special One” says, “Cry havoc….and let slip the dogs of champions.”
January 28th, 2009 at 4:11
@Red Ranter: So are you asserting that competitive matchups are actually bad for the game?
January 28th, 2009 at 4:26
From the Republik of Mancunia comes this little diddy.
Paul Scholes all time United team.
Schmeichel; G Neville, Ferdinand, Brown, Irwin; Beckham, Keane, Robson (capt), Giggs; Van Nistelrooy, Sheringham.
Substitutes: Ronaldo, Rooney, Tevez, Carrick, Butt, P Neville, Stam.
And how does Scholes explain himself?
“Cristiano Ronaldo won’t be happy to hear it, but he’s a substitute,” he said. “I’ve got to have Becks on the right, you see.”
It is Teddy who has Cantona’s place in the team, a player who Scholes describes as “one of the cleverest players I’ve ever shared a pitch with.”
Now personally I think the Ginger Ninja has been smoking up a bit. Beckham over Ronaldo? Obviously this is a team that is based on his years with the club because any team that does not include Best and Charlton is not a an all time team. NO CANTONA! Obviously they did not see eye to eye because any man with a brain stem would never ignore the King. Ignore the King, Ole, Bruce, Hughes, Law but include Butt and Phil Fucking Neville? Talk about looking at life from a narrow and biased perspective. I guess some footballers are as dumb as nails.
January 28th, 2009 at 4:29
@Red Ranter: Thats a great point RR, I totally agree. I think the term you are looking for is “anticlimactic”. The game’s rarely ever live up to the hype and the managers are so scared to assert themselves through the players. United have definitely been part of this problem but nobody wears this albatross better than Rafa vs Chelsea. Those games are as interesting as watching tanned paint dry.
January 28th, 2009 at 4:32
@Patrick: Sorry for stepping in but how else can you define a dull Liverpool vs Chelsea matchup? Over the years many Man Utd vs Liverpool or Man Utd vs Arsenal games have been like that. Lets not forget the last two FA Cup United played in vs Chelsea. Man were these games dull and plodding. Ruthless towards the fans and clueless on the pitch.
January 28th, 2009 at 5:34
Carrick and Berbatov together are a joy to watch. Slow, subtle and witty. I absolutely fucking love it. And with Tevez/Rooney and Ronaldo lighting it up with pace and menace – I pity the league if this team starts to gel. Liverpool are finished. Chelsea?
Carrick is really good. Next year with Hargreaves, our midfield will be in very nice shape indeed.
January 28th, 2009 at 6:00
@Patrick: That is not the crux of my argument. My point is, wishing for a super league may not necessarily translate into exciting football. You may not be able to predict the winner every season because you’d expect the league to be competitive, but the games as such may not be thrilling because players and managers would tend to show too much respect to each other most of the time. You may end up seeing more emphasis laid on defensive organisation etc.
So while it may be a selfish fantasy for many fans to dream about a European Super League (and considering the way football is headed it may not necessarily be a fantasy), exciting football games is not something you might necessarily get to see, is what I’m trying to drive at. On the surface it may sound exciting, but on the pitch it may disappoint.
January 28th, 2009 at 6:05
And one more thing regarding “competitive matchups being bad for the game”. It could be good for the football as a business because the star studded team sheets will draw starry eyed fans. But for football as a game I’d say the jury would be out on that.
January 28th, 2009 at 7:03
What do you lads think about resting Giggsy for a week leading up to late Feb, and then UNLEASHING him at the San Siro?? He has been playing out of his mind!!
January 28th, 2009 at 7:27
wow, just saw the game, great game. 2 goals for ron, berbs, tev and another for vida. great game.
January 28th, 2009 at 7:28
giggs had four assists right?
January 28th, 2009 at 8:29
@john freakin’ o’shea: 3. Still good for a 35 year old winger playing in centre mid.
January 28th, 2009 at 8:46
you know whos impressed me? eckersly(sp?), hes come in the last 2 matches and played with no fear. you dont normally find this with english players coming through.
he is a real talent, i would go as far to say that he could be an england regular by the 2014 world cup.
The english evra!
January 28th, 2009 at 8:48
Robinho has been arrested for sexual assult, or possibly rape, this morning.
2009 IS AWSOME!!! Started off by Gerrard getting arrested, then we beat Chelski 3-0, then Mikel gets arrested for drunk driving, we reach the Carling Cup final, Berbatov scores winner against Spurs, we get two new records on the same day as we win 5-0 away from home, and to put the cherry, on the icing, on the top of the cake, Robinho gets arrested for rape! 
Can it get any better… 
January 28th, 2009 at 8:49
@Dan: Eckersley, Welbeck and Evans have all impressed me this season. Im looking forward to the future…
January 28th, 2009 at 9:33
@Dan: Honestly Dan, where do you come up with this stuff? The guy has two short cameo’s and does well and you are touting him as the future of England at RB. I’m sorry mate but that just makes me laugh.
January 28th, 2009 at 11:16
Where are the people who called the Bulgarian genius, Berbacrap??
He has been superb a real United player.
January 28th, 2009 at 11:29
So who is your player of the month for January? Not only United, but all players in the Premier League. My choice is obviously Vidic, he has been suberb! He has played all games in our clean sheet record, as well as scoring 2 goals in January. And against Chelski too! Vida for POTM, Fergie for Manager of the month.
January 28th, 2009 at 12:00
Vidic would be my man for January also! Berbatov has also impressed me greatly. He is really coming into his own and becoming a real goal threat which given our problems scoring in the first half of the season is exactly what we need. More significantly he has helped us through a time when Ronaldo had a goal drought and Rooney was injured.
Giggs since Chelsea has really come into his own. He has been the attacking midfielder we’ve been missing and given us more balance. He is also very solid defensively and has a great work rate.
Tevez has his head in the game. He has stopped sulking and is working his hardest to win a contract. He’ll get a regular run of games as Rooney will be out for at least a month, and he could again be instrumental in our title defence.
Ronaldo seems lacking in confidence but I hope the goals will help him. By his standards he was having a goal drought so a double will hopefully start another scoring run. I loved his reaction to the goals. It was West Brom and he celebrated as if he’d scored against Milan, with that huge grin over his face!
Scholes team is pretty strange. He clearly does not like Latin players which explains the Northern Europe bias.
It is probably best described of the team of people Scholes enjoyed playing with the most.
January 28th, 2009 at 12:01
@RedDevilEddy: alright Eddy! mine is Ryan Giggs although its a close one with Vida
January 28th, 2009 at 12:12
@Stephen: only a matter of time before they all came around, genius is genius, right??!!
How people couldn’t see the potential that Berba would bring to our team is beyond me? This man is gonna be a red legend, no doubt.
January 28th, 2009 at 12:20
@phoenix red: Spot on mate, he is a class act no doubt!
January 28th, 2009 at 12:22
check this out ! a bit of sense coming from the red half of liverpool
January 28th, 2009 at 12:26
I’ll try that again! Some sense from the scouse!
January 28th, 2009 at 12:31
@Stephen: and i’m literally drooling at the prospect of more Berbamagik(TM), the future’s so bright i gotta wear
January 28th, 2009 at 12:33
@phoenix red: Ha ha thats the best read I have had for a while, “he’s cracking up!!”"
January 28th, 2009 at 12:42
@Red Ranter: Good to have you back Bro, i tend to agree with you about a prospective Euro Super League, i don’t think it would be good for football in the national leagues. Like them or loathe them, each country has its own style of playing football and this i feel would be compromised in a super league with a hybrid/ generic safe playing style(italian!) winning out, as the stakes would be upped greatly therefore leading to a more defensive game. As you said the jury’s out, i could be wrong!
January 28th, 2009 at 12:44
@Stephen: even the Everton fans were singing that to Rafa the other day, so funny!
January 28th, 2009 at 12:56
Lets just concentrate on the competions we are in as we have won fuck all yet this season.
January 28th, 2009 at 13:09
@Stephen: That chant is great, I cracked up laughin when I heard it last night.
Its fucking brilliant, and to make things better Wenger thinks Everton can win the league! 
Looks like it aint only Rafa wo has lost it…
January 28th, 2009 at 13:09
Robinho has been arrested for sexual assult, or possibly rape, this morning.
2009 IS AWSOME!!! Started off by Gerrard getting arrested, then we beat Chelski 3-0, then Mikel gets arrested for drunk driving, we reach the Carling Cup final, Berbatov scores winner against Spurs, we get two new records on the same day as we win 5-0 away from home, and to put the cherry, on the icing, on the top of the cake, Robinho gets arrested for rape! 
Can it get any better? 
January 28th, 2009 at 13:11
@RedDevilEddy: Deluded fool matey, my Sunday league side has as much chance of winning the league as Everton, oh and Arsenal!
January 28th, 2009 at 13:12
Greetings… Speaking from school, a really boring place to be right now. Supposed to be searching for religious quiestions and answersm butb this is better and suits better for me.
Oh-oh, here the teach is coming! See ya later.
January 28th, 2009 at 13:39
If our defense continues in a similar vein till the end of the season and Vidic continues to power in headers I see no reason why he can’t be European Player of the Year. There has been no stand out striker or midfielder in Europe. Nobody has set the world alight ala Ronaldo last year and Kaka the year before.
January 28th, 2009 at 13:48
@Traverse: how about messi?
January 28th, 2009 at 13:56
@Traverse: Messi is for me the favoirte. He has been brilliant this season. Then there is also Samuel Etoo, David Villa and Ibrahimovic. The latter two should be considered as the best in the world in their positions, I think Zlatan has been th best player in Italy by a mile. In England Gerrard and Lampard have been very good for their saides, but I still think Vidic has been better. For me the best players in the world are as follow:
1. Leo Messi
2. Nemanja Vidic
3. Samuel Etoo
4. Zlatan Ibrahimovic
5. Frank Lampard
This is only for this season. I think that if Ronaldo hadnt had that incredible season lastyear, he would have been in the top 3. He is really underrated these days, which surprises me a lot!
January 28th, 2009 at 14:59
There isn’t much chance of Vidic making it much higher than8 or 9th IMO. He deserves it but foreign people have extreme tunnel vision with regards these awards
January 28th, 2009 at 15:31
I read that we are scouting Fleck of Rangers. Does anyone know anything about him? He has been tagged the next Rooney.
January 28th, 2009 at 16:31
Im still buzzin after last nights win!
I tend to have this thing that when United play well Im happy throughout the rest of the week, and epecially after 5 or 6-0 wins. Im delighted, and may the great performances continue.
January 28th, 2009 at 16:41
@colver: as always it could be total bollocks but on FM he is one of the most talented youngsters quick and good crosser, but plays mainly as a striker
January 28th, 2009 at 16:44
I dont know if many of you have heard of “Red News”, its an independant United fanzine, a very good read with all matters Red, quite informative and funny. But they’re in a spot of bother
January 28th, 2009 at 16:48
so you might be able to help…..
January 28th, 2009 at 16:50
lets try that again!!!!
January 28th, 2009 at 16:56
@RedDevilEddy: Lampard is a cunt.
January 28th, 2009 at 17:19
@Grognard: unlike you grognard, i like to take notice of our youths and reserves, and i have seen him play on more then 2 cameo appearances.
Nothing wrong with not watching youths/reserves, im just a firm believer of building from the youth.
January 28th, 2009 at 17:25
OPTA stats for lastnights game:
Team Statistics
WBA United
0 Goals 5
0 1st Half Goals 2
1 Shots on Target 8
7 Shots off Target 6
4 Blocked Shots 3
5 Corners 4
13 Fouls 8
1 Offsides 4
5 Yellow Cards 2
1 Red Cards 0
77.2 Passing Success 86.7
17 Tackles 24
70.6 Tackles Success 54.2
37.5 Possession 62.5
52.9 Territorial Advantage 47.1
January 28th, 2009 at 17:50
@RedDevilEddy: Vidic hands down. Berbatov would be in second due to the many big goals he has scored and set up in the period.
January 28th, 2009 at 17:56
@Traverse: Vidic would have had to have a fantastic EURO tournament as well to be considered European Player of the Year. When Cannavaro won it, it was primarily for his play in the World Cup. Doing well for United and in the EPL won’t get it I don’t think. Especially not when Mr Messi is also having a great season. I also feel that if Bayern go far in the CL, Franck Ribery will start to receive the kudos and respect he deserves. And who knows, after yesterday’s second half, Ronaldo may have finally woken from his slumber and may take the second half by the throat and start squeezing.
January 28th, 2009 at 17:59
@RedDevilEddy: For me it would be like this in the voting if it ended today.
1. Messi
2. Ribery
3. Vidic
4. Lampard
5. Gerrard
I hate adding the last two but they have at times single handedly bailed their club’s out of bad situations all year long.
January 28th, 2009 at 18:01
@Stephen: We all would be if we played for Chelsea.
January 28th, 2009 at 18:03
@Grognard: It does go part and parcel.
January 28th, 2009 at 18:09
@Dan: No problem with watching the youth mate and no problem with believing in them. But not to the point of being delusional. What they do for the reserves is one thing, what they do in the show is another. Eckersley hardly had a look and he’s being touted by you as a future England RB. That smells of such ridiculous bias it’s just got me laughing. I could care less about how he plays in the reserves. Many a reserve has done fantastic down there but could never cut it at he top. I hardly think a small non pressure cameo is going to define this young player either.
On the other hand, I have no problem singing those notes when it comes to a player like Jonny Evans. He has shown for a long extended period what he is about and the fact that he is a sure fire bet to anchor the center of England’s defense for the future cannot be disputed. I’d even sing a little song for Welbeck’s future but Eckersely has hardly shown me anything yet. Although in his two cameo’s he dis look composed and confident. But for me, he needs much more time to establish his credentials before I start singing his praises. You could be right about him Dan, but I think it’s too soon to raise him to that level is all.
January 28th, 2009 at 18:12
@Stephen: I would say the same if we played for Liverpool, Arsenal and Man Shitty too. Playing for any of them makes their players cunts and total scum.
Even my beloved Michael Ballack is scum when he is wearing the blue. But I love him anyway.
January 28th, 2009 at 18:14
@Grognard: Tainted love matey!
January 28th, 2009 at 18:26
@Grognard: well hes hardly had a cameo anyway! he played about 20 minutes against bolton, and 30 minutes yesterday.
i like the way that when you see a player and you like them, they will become a star, and if you don’t like them, they are shite, but when other people, who are just as qualified as you to pass judgement on players, say a player is good, its laughable to you.
He is great going forward, and strong in defence.
By the way, evans is irish…
January 28th, 2009 at 18:26
Grognard, I really wonder what has happend to you?
Have you met a woman, got a new job or are you just on “happy-pills”? 
Seriously, dont get me wrong but the last days you have been very positive. Im happy for that! Had the 5-0 win over West Brom been, lets say, 2 weeks ago you would have been angry about how we didnt score more against such a horrible side. Im glad you are happy, but whats happend? I really wanna know. 
January 28th, 2009 at 18:28
Grog I believe Jonny Evans plays for Northern Ireland already. I admire his loyalty but it is a shame that he’ll never get to strut his stuff on the world stage. Same as with Giggs. I wonder whether England would have won anything with Giggs shoring up the left wing.
Dan I admire you for getting excited about our young players but I need to see them for ten games or so with the first team to give a real opinion. There are loads of guys who have done well in the reserves or in the pre-season but gone nowhere. I do hope he does progress because we could use some defensive back up.
January 28th, 2009 at 18:33
@Grognard: uhh Grog….Evans is Northern Irish mate,would be pretty hard for him to anchor the English defense wouldn’t it!!!
January 28th, 2009 at 18:35
anyone hear of this player?
Etzaz Hussain
we just signed him.
January 28th, 2009 at 18:45
@Dan: never heard of the dude, link?
January 28th, 2009 at 19:02
@Dan: What’s witht he hostility mate. I think you are being awfully defensive and incredibly unfair. What you just said is nothing more than bullshit. Sorry but once again you have to go and insult me to make your point, and that’s not necessary. I stated my view, disagree, that’s fine but to lay into me like that is just not called for.
And don’t hate me cause I’m beautiful.
January 28th, 2009 at 19:08
@RedDevilEddy: Absolutely nothing mate. I’m happy because I see light at the end of the tunnel when it comes to my beloved United. Ever since the Chelsea game I see a team that wants it more and is frankly, getting their shit together. I just loved the style of football they played yesterday and applaud them for attacking and above all, incorporating those beautiful triangle patterns and 1,2’s that so dissected West Brom. Sure the Baggies were down to 10 men but we still would have won 3-0 or 4-0 had Robinson not been sent off. We were dominating and above all cocky and confident. It’s hard not to feel positive and upbeat about that. Now if I could finally figure out how to use the editor tool in my Football Manager 09 game, and I would be literally over the moon with euphoria.
I’m not always negative but I do find it amusing that when I do sound positive, such a big deal is being made of it. I case it’s the price one pays for being the Prince of Fucking Darkness.
January 28th, 2009 at 19:17
@colver: Good point. I forgot that. Early morning brain drain I guess.
January 28th, 2009 at 19:18
@Sidharth: OOPS!
January 28th, 2009 at 19:18
Etzaz Hussain who?
January 28th, 2009 at 19:22
@UnitedUnited: Exactly. Just another obscure name picked out of nowhere. Probably a long lost son of Saddam who changed the spelling of his last name to hide that fact.
January 28th, 2009 at 19:46
@Dan: He is a Norwegian 16 year old attacker. A really good player, he is really fast and has got one of the best shots Ive seen from an opposition. Good skills, but more of a playmaker than anything. Played him in a exebishion with my team last season, he scored 2 goals against us. Has a good passing foot, very accurate, but he has got a very good long range shot too. Scored a real curler against us he did!
I wonder how he, Joshua King and Eikrem are gonna turn out.
January 28th, 2009 at 19:48
Hope he tells Fergie about me!
January 28th, 2009 at 19:49
@UnitedUnited: He’s Norwegian and Captain of the Norway U-16’s. He’s a left-footed attacking midfielder, born in 1993 and had a successful trial with United last year. He’s been earmarked by his coach as Norways’ biggest prospect and possesses great qualities, most prominently, being a good playmaker.
I think this is good news. Get them young, instill that United mantra into them and prepare them for their chances to break into the 1st team. They’re definitely not gonna get in now, what with some of the golden boys still playing. I really like the way our team is transitioning. By the next two years, the old boys would be retiring and will have battle-ready adolescents filling their gaps. And those adolescents would have young promising prodigies playing for reserves and pushing for a place in the squad.
Fergie is really creating a dynasty here and whichever manager that takes over from him should only have the task of managing ego’s and producing results from the players, because we definitely have the talent in our impressive squad.
January 28th, 2009 at 19:49
@RedDevilEddy: Scored two goals against your team? Probably skinned that LB on your team all day and had him for dinner eh?
Too bad you guys don’t have the Grognard in goal. 
January 28th, 2009 at 19:53
@Grognard: If any one is being defencive its you, i didnt insult you in the slightest, i stated something you do often that was unfair.
And im much, much more beautiful
January 28th, 2009 at 19:55
@Dan: He is gonna sign in February for 3 1/2 years. Comes from Langhus in Norway, really bright prospect. One of the best Ive ever played against! Like I said earlier, he scored two goals against us in an exebishion. I didnt get his name, but I recognised his face. Saw a picture of his face in the Norwegian paper Dagbladet when they get the news. First thing I thought was “Where have I seen that guy before?”. I knew I had played against him before, because I remember most of the oppositions I have played against which have impressed me. Ive got a good memory!
I dunno how he is usually, but the one game he played against us he turned some my teammates around and into the ground, was a real handful. He was changing positions all the time, and his stamina was a real handful! It seemed like he never stopped running. He scored one goal after we had trouble clearing a corner, then a long range effort into the top corner from about 20 meters after he took a tunnel on my best mate(midfielder). Didnt stop mocking him for weeks! 
I feel honoured to have played against a player that plays for United, even if he is only academy/reserve right now. I hope I made a good impression. 
January 28th, 2009 at 19:55
@RedDevilEddy: Eddy, he apparently played at Solksjear’s footballing school and that’s how he got scouted. Have you tried applying to play in that school? Eikrem and King also attended that school before joining United. Maybe if you get in, you might get scouted and we shall one day see RedDevilEddy competing with Fabio and Evra for the left-back spot.
January 28th, 2009 at 19:56
@Dan: @Grognard: Oh shut up both of you, and I am more beautiful than the two of you together.
January 28th, 2009 at 19:57
@RedDevilEddy: so you actually played against this lad? what are they doing signing you when we have eddy waiting in norway!
you need to get scouted by the club he played for so we can see you at unted.
And if real, bayern, barca and chavski all put their nose in for you, make sure you stuff the lot of them and wait for united
January 28th, 2009 at 19:58
Yeah we should poach as much young talent as we can before the authorities crack down on it. I see us as scouring the earth for the best youth players and grooming them to be the hottest talents of tomorrow. That is going to be the best way to remain the best club in the world even if we cannot compete with clubs like Real Madrid financially.
January 28th, 2009 at 19:58
@Gabriel: Yeah, I read that. Havent reall thought about it, I dont even know when it is! If its during the summer I usually play beach football or swinning in Italy, as I have family there. I may apply this summer though, I am 16 then.
January 28th, 2009 at 19:58
@RedDevilEddy: shut up left back, know your role which is behind me in more ways then one!
January 28th, 2009 at 20:04
@Grognard: Actually he didnt get past me.
Nah, he skinned me once. A body feint put me on the wrong foot and then a “McGeady” feint, which I had never seen before at that time. Got in a cross, but that was most of what he did against me. I was told to mark him closely in the second half, which I did. But like I said he moved all over the pitch so it was hard. I got an assist in that game though, ended 2-2. 
He is the guy Ive been most impressed by ever, of my opponents that is. I dont remember the team he played for though, I just remember his day. I was told to follow him closely, but he was impossible to mark. I got in a tackle or two, but he was the best player on the pitch that day for sure. 
I wasnt bad though… 
January 28th, 2009 at 20:09
@Dan: Yeah, I remember him. Dagbladet, the Norwegian newspaper, showed a picture of him with the news he had signed for United. Remembered him straight away. From all the players Ive played against the last 3 years, only he and a blond, tall and tough midfielder have burned into my memory. It looks like Ive got too attend to Solskjærs football school if Ive even got the slightest possiblity if joining United. I will see what happens this summer.
I will keep you updated…
And yeah, if Chelski or Real come knocking on the door I will reject them like Ronaldo rejected Real. Or is that a bad example…
January 28th, 2009 at 20:10
@<a @Grognard: href=”#comment-48049″>Red Ranter: @phoenix red: Reasonable people can certainly disagree on this. Since I am American, I have not grown up in a culture accustomed to such localized club support and am probably missing one of the finest points of the current setup. From my perspective as an American, however, there are glaring problems with the current format.
1) When you look at the recent history of every major league in European football–English, Spanish, German, Italian, French, etc.–there is absolutely zero parity. Usually there are two or three dominant teams, with two others that occasionally manage to sneak a championship in there. Clubs like Blackburn, which managed to win silver in 1994, are truly abberations and almost non-existant. What kind of competition is it when they top four clubs can be determined before the season even starts? What kind of a competition is it when what determines a championship is not how a club does against comparable competition, but consistently it can drub horrible ones? Surely this is A metric for judging a team, but should it be THE metric? When only 18 out of a possible 114 points are decided against teams that have talent that in any resembles that of United’s, isn’t something lost?
2) Financing matters in football. It isn’t a sport like baseball where teams can succeed with very little financing. How well you are financed directly correlates with how good your team is. To have teams with annual Revenues in the HUNDREDS of millions playing against teams that are struggling to make a profit is unjust and bad for competition. The best that smaller clubs can hope for is to squeeze into the UEFA cup, but usually they are content to simply avoid relegation. For a squad, such as Aston Villa, to be as successful as they are they have to be truly brilliant in what they are able to get out of every dollar spent. Martin O’Neill’s are uncommon, however, and most clubs usually struggle to put out a side that can compete with the best clubs in Europe without resorting to the type of cynical tactics that we deplore–aka 10 men behind the ball.
3) It’s bad for the football to have it’s best players scattered among over 100 teams in over a dozen leagues. In what other realm of business or entertainment is it good for the consumer to have the best talent spread so thinly? Isn’t it a sin that Ronaldo can go a year without ever standing on the same pitch as Kaka or Messi? Isn’t it regrettable that we don’t get to test our mettle against all the best clubs in Europe every year? Wouldn’t you all trade hosting Bolton for a chance to host Barcelona? WOuldnt’ you all trade travelling to Sunderland for a chance to see United under the lights of the San Siro?
4) Whatever shortcomings there are in matches between top-notch clubs–leading to dull, uneventful matches–these shortcomings would surely be eliminated if top-notch clubs faced each other every week. It would become more like NBA basketball where the team that wins is the team that is able to force its will upon the other. There would be some teams built to attack and some teams built to defend, surely, but to suggest that a Super league would bring about boring, unwatchable football seems illogical. Competition always brings the best out of people, not the worst. Surely you couldn’t argue that world cup matches are boring. There are some that may be bland, but that happens.
I’m sure that there are holes galore in my argument, I just think that the disparities between the haves and havenots in modern soccer are greater than any other sport in the world. That coupled with the fact that the greatest players in the world are so seldom judged against comparable talent suggests that there must be a better product that could be created. I know that this is what the Champions League is designed for, but I don’t think that Cups are necessarily the best judge of talent. One bad night can end a cup run and all teams have bad nights. I would just love to see more matches of worth, that’s all.
January 28th, 2009 at 20:16
@Dan: Feels kinda weird. You go out for an exebishion to make you fit for the new season, you wanna play your own game, you see a guy that plays incredibly well and then he suddenly is playing for United! What life does to you…
I really cant believe Ive played against someone who is playing for United. Do you guys know what kind of shock that is?! 
Imagine you playing against Ronaldo, without knowing it. I think I played well that game. Got an assist, hit the bar with a volley and put in some good tackles. In the first half he played mainly RW, and didnt do much. He scored from a corner, but that was pretty much what he managed against me. 
Skinned me once with a body feint and a McGeady spin, but it wasnt until the second half he got going. Probably because he didnt play against me… 
January 28th, 2009 at 20:23
@Dan: But on a positive note, so I doesnt sound like he used me as his bitch during that day(
), he had problems with me. I am delighted about news that United are scouting in Norway, because it feels like Ive got an oppurtunity to get there. I know Inter are scouting in my area, as they are watching a friend of mine closely(and have been since the summer). That guy told me I was the most difficult player he has ever played against, that I in the future was gonna become anightmare for defenders. And he has played against Inter reserves! 
I keep in touch with him, as he makes me feel better about myself. I t was actually he that made me the player I am today, because he always said he didnt wanna play against me and wanted me on his team. Always praising me and saying that me and him would make the ultimate team. He is a good friend, he teaches me a lot. Too bad he likes Arsenal though. 
January 28th, 2009 at 20:38
I found out some more of Oles footballing academy. Looks like its for 14-15 year olds, and scouts are watching the whole session. They want those who have the most potensial. They want people who luuuuuuuv football. And they want people that want to improve their game. It all fits to me, except that I am 16 then.
But from what I found out from caliing some of my mates, they remember that Hussein kid too. They found out of him during Oles academy, but they were scouting on him for a long time too. And my coach alwats tells us “Lads, todat the NFF are watching us…” or tha we have scouts coming visiting. Sometimes he lies just so we are supposed to play better( 
), but it is true also. I spoke to a guy of the NFF a year or two back and was invited to join the Norwegian U-18 team. But I got a bad injury and had to refuse. Still, I know that people are watching us. Wether they come from NFF, United, Real or even Derby! We have scouts watching at least 5 of our games during teh season. So I just have to keep playing like I do and improve in every area.
January 28th, 2009 at 20:39
Hey everybody!!!
Off topic, but just wanted to ask you guys if you’ve heard of Animal Collective? They might just be the greatest rock band (if you can call their music rock, that is) to have shown up since Radiohead and Arcade Fire. They definitely rock my boat, more than commercial stuff like Coldplay.
I know that off-topic stuff right here is usually limited to girls and Fifa, and I think people (well, Craigh at least
) have been discussing more about Girls Aloud and stuff but I’m interested in knowing your opinion.
Beware though, their music can be a bit of a shock for untrained ears – its a bit experimental, electronic, freaky and psychedelic at the same time! But that’s the interesting thing!!!
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=fxvGHQHiY70&feature=related
Their new single “My Girls”:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=zol2MJf6XNE
Simply put I’d say their music is bloody good!
January 28th, 2009 at 21:01
1,2; 1,2, Test; Test
January 28th, 2009 at 21:05
Oh fuck , I just lost a comment I lovingly wrote up!
Anyway, here guys, off-topic, but I’m curious to know if any of you have heard of the band Animal Collective? For me personally, they might be the greatest thing to have emerged since Radiohead and Arcade Fire (yes, I’m an Indie kid, but the arty kind
– I know that sounds pretentious, sorry!)
Here’s their single Peacebone from their previous album Stramberry Jam:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=fxvGHQHiY70
Here’s their new single “My Girls” from their new album (9.7 on Pitchfork!!!):
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=zol2MJf6XNE
and another:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=IhHQukKXxCw
and “Brothersport” live:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=NncmILE_7mQ&feature=related
Be wary though that it may sound like a lot of freaky noise if your ears are untrained! Their style I would describe as experimental, indie, electronic, and Psychedelic – but the music is definitely not sad- it’s actually very vibrant and uplifting!!!
Comments welcomed!!!
January 28th, 2009 at 21:08
@Nico QB:
January 28th, 2009 at 21:09
Becks just scored for AC Milan(who cares?)
January 28th, 2009 at 21:47
@RedDevilEddy: I’ve been trying to post some comment but it wouldn’t show up… Too many smileys? I have about four youtube links on it too…
January 28th, 2009 at 21:54
@RedDevilEddy: I wish he signs for Milan. Other than that twat Berlusconi, Milan has a history of tending for its players and treating them with due respect, which is less the case of Real scum for instance.
I think we just all know that the football, uh, soccer revolution is not going to happen in MLS. It would be fittig for Beckham to have a team which can do justice to his talents.
Oh, and my view about a previous point, if Vidic manages to score a few times in European games, he’ll definitely be a contender for major honours. But only if Messi remains relatively anonymous too, which I can’t imagine. Ibrahimovic, well we expect him to be anonymous in big games… Messi, I’m not so sure…
January 28th, 2009 at 22:26
penalty against liverpool with 8 min to go
January 28th, 2009 at 22:30
GET IN THERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
January 28th, 2009 at 22:31
Top of the league, and thats a fact!!!!
January 28th, 2009 at 22:38
draw
January 28th, 2009 at 22:39
and arsenal losing
January 28th, 2009 at 22:48
@Dan: What?
“i like the way that when you see a player and you like them, they will become a star, and if you don’t like them, they are shite, but when other people, who are just as qualified as you to pass judgement on players, say a player is good, its laughable to you.”
If that statement was your idea of being friendly, you have got serious issues mate. It was rude and insulting. Above all, it was terribly unfair and an out and out lie. Stop jumping down my throat if I don’t kiss the asses of the youth on the team like you do. I was make a valid point about Eckersley and one that most on here would agree with. You were being awfully presumptuous regarding the lad and all I was saying is it’s too soon to tell. But you had insult me by putting down the way I think and operate by exaggerating it into a farce. Honestly, you disappoint me sometimes mate because we cannot disagree on something with out you getting defensive on me.
January 28th, 2009 at 22:49
@RedDevilEddy: Yes but I am a living and breathing fashion plate and GQ Man.
January 28th, 2009 at 22:54
HAHAHA!! This is just priceless!!
Rafa and Wenger can’t seem to keep their traps shut, taking pops at United, hoping to get headlines while their team struggles. Funny, Scolari has learned how to manage the press and his team and he silently keeps his team winning and out of the headlines. Wish I could say the same for messers Wenger and Benitez. Both of their teams have dropped points today and I can’t wait to hear the rubbish they will be spouting after these results. 
January 28th, 2009 at 22:55
@Grognard: it wasnt nice, it wasnt friendly, but it also wasnt bad and an insult. Im simply stating how i feel you operate when you judge players, is that wrong?
And please tell me, how im being defensive?
January 28th, 2009 at 22:58
Rafa rafa rafa…. What a shit cunt
HAHAHA carn the dippers… sign him up
January 28th, 2009 at 22:59
@Patrick: When it comes to what you are saying to me, you are singing to the wrong choir because I agree with you 100%. I’m Canadian and live in Vancouver so I share your beliefs and have much the same conditioning in my background. I don’t like the way soccer leagues are structured. You are absolutely right on all points. I also detest relegation. In world football there seems to be this attitude that some little backwater village or town deserves as much right to be in a top tier league as say a city like London, Manchester, Munich Paris, Rome, Milan etc. I disagree. Set up these other divisions but never and I mean never allow promotion and relegation. They play within their own league and that’s that. Base it on different criteria but Manchester United should never be in the same league as a team like Burnley or even Wigan. Base it on stadium size and population. Let the League and FA Cup competitions be their chance at the big time. As for your other point’s, I agree 110% mate. Well said. Europeans just don’t get it or fail to understand the logic in the North American way of running sports leagues.
I mean can you imagine a league where the NY Yankees got to play the Durham Bulls or the Tacoma Rockets? Just ludicrous.
January 28th, 2009 at 23:03
HE`S CRACKING UP, HE`S CRACKING UP, HE`S CRACKING, RAFA`S CRACKING UP!!!
Top of the league by 2 ponits with one game less played. Liverpool draw, Arsenal draw, United win 5-0. I told ya, 2009 is awsome!!!
January 28th, 2009 at 23:04
@Nico QB: Perhaps I am showing my age a bit but the only bands that matter to me are the Beatles, Depeche Mode and the Sisters of Mercy. And since 1990 nearly everything to me has been shite. Music is a very personal thing and tastes are far broader and different from to another than football mate. I personally am bored to tears by Radiohead except for the song “Creep” and Arcade Fire is crap in my eyes. But what may be crap to me may be a jewel to somebody else.
January 28th, 2009 at 23:07
@RedDevilEddy: You’re conveniently leaving out Chelsea’s win, eh? (Well it wasn’t much of a win anyway. Anyone can beat a Boro without Tuncay starting…
)
Now I want a draw at Anfield between the second and third placed teams.
January 28th, 2009 at 23:09
Hey, I know this might be early but I wanna put up what I think the top and bottom of the Prem is gonna look like come the end of May. Here goes:
1. Man United
2. Chelski
3. Aston Villa
4. Liverpool
5. Arsenal
6. Everton
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18. Stoke
19. Middlesbrough
20. West Brom
I know its early, but that is my prediction.
January 28th, 2009 at 23:11
@TurkishRED:
I wanna take the good stuff and leave out the bad stuff. Hopefully its a draw between Liverpool and Chelski on Sunday. Then we may lead by 4 points! 
January 28th, 2009 at 23:11
@Nico QB: I listened to both tracks and all I can say is sorry, not my cup of tea. But to make things fair and so you get an idea where my negatively Gothic head is at, try “This Corrosion”, My Lucretia” and “More” by “the Sisters of Mercy” on YouTube. Their album titled “Floodland” is my all time favorite album, and that includes the Beatles who are Gods to me. And quite a bit different than them also.
January 28th, 2009 at 23:12
@Nico QB: “vibrant and uplifting”? And you expect the Grognard to like them?
January 28th, 2009 at 23:13
@RedDevilEddy: I do. I will always be a Beckham fan and I am pleased he is finally way from that LA Galaxy Hell he put himself in. I’m glad that he still has it and is contributing for one of the world’s best teams. Good for him.
Unlike some, I don’t forget our past heroes.
January 28th, 2009 at 23:14
@RedDevilEddy: If you want keep the good stuff, then say that we’ll potentially lead by 4 points plus a game in hand!
January 28th, 2009 at 23:17
@Dan: I don’t operate that way at all. You only think I do because my viewpoint may be the exact opposite of yours on the given subject. Fact is I don’t put as much stock in our youth as you do. They are important but you on the other hand would start eight of them today on the big club. Just differing ways of thinking, not me being the asshole you have made me out to be.
January 28th, 2009 at 23:18
Good day for us. Wigan hold their ground and unfortunately Arse scored but they still 5 points behind Villa. Next round of games are unimaginably important. The time of making statements is gone with Everton and Fulham games we can give us so much breading room. I hope the guys can smell the blood and make their and our lives so much easier.
January 28th, 2009 at 23:19
@Grognard: Oh, I dont forget it. I always look after when Becks scores. Ive said earlier that he was the reason I started playing football, and that much of my play is based on his god days. Free-kicks, crosses and passes. Im really happy he is doing well, and I wish him to move to Milan. LAG is fucked up, thats not a club but rather hollywood!
Im glad he does well, and the reason I posted “who cares?” was to see who else actually was interested in knowing how Becks does. 
January 28th, 2009 at 23:22
This weekend is gonna be massive for the title race. We face Everton at Old Trafford, Chelski face Liverpool at Anfield and Arsenal face West Ham, a team who has done quite well against Arsenal the last years. Best case scenario is that Chelski and Liverpool draw, Arsenal lose and United win. We will then be 4 points ahead of Liverpool and Chelski with a game in hand, and 14 points ahead of Lè Arsenal Pòop.
Im looking forward to it.
January 28th, 2009 at 23:24
@RedDevilEddy: And to put icing on the cake, if all of that happens and we win by 3 goals or more, we will be leading the goal difference as well, and we know from last season how important that can be.
I don’t see that happening, however, against Everton in 3 days time. (The GD, not the draw at Anfield…)
January 28th, 2009 at 23:24
@Grognard: you see, your putting it in your head that im trying to insult you! where have i said you’re an R sole?
And surprisingly youre right, ive gone over who i would start from our youths and reserves and there is about 7 players i think are ready for the first team squad. Not all at the same time of course.
January 28th, 2009 at 23:28
Oh yeah, if Villa wins vs. Wigan they’ll be second on 50 points…
January 28th, 2009 at 23:29
@Dan: @Grognard: Wooow, lads calm down there! Its the best days considering United results going for United in a long while. Be happy! ENJOY LIFE! And to be honest Grog, I dont think Dan did anythign wrong. Just leave it. Come on guys, you are friends. Dont make this ugly! I would hate to bring Kuyt in.
January 29th, 2009 at 0:32
@Dan: And all I’m saying mate is of those seven, I wouldn’t start one of them over players who are presently on the first team. At least not yet. You may not be calling me names Dan but the tone in your words is rather insulting because you are inferring that I’m an asshole by saying such things as when I “see a player and I like them, they will become a star, and if I don’t like them, they are shite.” Thats just wrong mate. My feelings on players are my view and not some master course on correction and gospel like you seem to make it out to be. I just offer my opinion. If I disagree with you, that is all it is, a disagreement. I’m not asking for your head on a platter. On the other hand, if I put down one of your youth projects, you get all bent out of shape like I just slapped your mother. If I don’t like players you do, just learn to live with it mate, like I have had to begrudgingly accept your dislike for Huntelaar and my Germans. It’s not worth passing judgments on each other for differing opinions. What’s next, executions?
January 29th, 2009 at 0:36
@RedDevilEddy: Please stay out of this Eddy. Dan and I can handle our disagreement without third party intervention. And yes he did something wrong so I’ll thank you not to but in when you clearly don’t get it. I don’t like being referred to as somebody who thinks of himself as some high and mighty know it all whenever my view contradicts that of Dan’s. That is what he did, and that is why I am upset about it. It’s bad enough I have an unfair reputation on this blog as a negative gloomy blogger. I certainly don’t need the reputation strengthened by accusations that are not true. You of all people should know that I don’t think the way Dan accused me of thinking, yet you take his side and see nothing wrong with what he said.
January 29th, 2009 at 0:51
@Grognard: He he he!
Well, I guess I should have known!
Animal Collective are a bit of a novelty act, an thus their style is for me the natural evolution of the electronic side of indie. As I said their “sound” takes a bit to get used to, but once you get past that hurdle their music is very enjoyable.
Listening to “this corrosion” right now; hmmm….
sounds verryyy “eighties”, not bad, but what I love in any song is to feel the emotion transpire. It sounds a bit new wave, and gothic together maybe you should check Bauhaus (I’ve yet to listen seriously to them though) who are considered to be the ultimate gothic band – Here’s the song Bela Lugosi’s Dead:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=mriBc6NjUhg&feature=related
By the way I don’t know much about the Sisters of Mercy, but I love the song and artist from which they took the name of the band – I can even play the “Sisters of Mercy” on my guitar!
Anyone else care to give impressions on Animal Collective? As I said I’m confident they are the next big thing, no make that the greatest band as of now! Heck, I listen to an important amount of classic rock music and I laready consider their new album as better than so-called “classics”…
And this one’s dedicated to our dear Rafa:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3nuf_beck-loser_music
and this is a FACT!!!
January 29th, 2009 at 1:25
@Grognard: Well Radiohead themselves have grown to actually hate their song “Creep” because most people don’t make the effort of looking beyond that song.
“Paranois Android”, “Lucky”, “No Surprises” are all modern masterpieces. Heck the whole OK Computer album for that matter.
I can’t believe that you don’t enjoy the Arcade Fire, what with you being Canadian and all…
Their Funeral album for me is jaw droppingingly good, I don;t rate one song less than 4.5/5.. Oh well, to each his own, but my verrryy broad appreciation of rock music makes me think that you’re seriously missing something amazing. Easily the bset album of the early 2000’s for me. I dig that kind of emotion:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=rTKLIv3SiRk
The thing is that the mainstream media will never promote bands /artists who come with their leftfield credentiels. Creep, and Depeche mode are two cases of bands having received intense MTV exposure which have elevated them towards good things. But serious listeners (like me!) gravitate towards specialised media, and make the effort of listening to artists beyond the usual 1 time (usually 3 times when in proper mood is enough to get into the vibe of the music). The fact is that there has been a few talented artists making good music, but they receive very little mainstream exposure. Hence my giddiness as I get the impression that maybe, just maybe one of my favorite bands presently (AC) is turning mainstream…
Sorry redranter if I’m turning this into a music thread, but hey I’ve seen long posts about videogames, I don’t see why music couldn’t get the same treatment
. I just wish more United fans were into music as seriously as I am! 
January 29th, 2009 at 1:32
Comments awaiting moderation, or what???
Hmm I replied to your comments Grog, but it seems this thread likes to make us wait for them to appear…
Oh well good thing I saved them… Night all for now…
January 29th, 2009 at 2:43
@Nico QB: Copy and paste the comments again mate. But just get rid of the smiley’s. More than two smiley’s causes that problem. Hopefully they weren’t smileys of hate.
January 29th, 2009 at 2:48
I just watched the Milan game on delay and I cannot tell you how impressed I was with David Beckham. He was playing like he had a 24 year old body but with a 233 year old mind. Absolutely brilliant. He scored a world class sharp angle free kick that would make all of us proud. His passing throughout the game was wonderful and he just looked totally tuned in to what Milan are all about. Great vision and seems to be mentally in step with both Pato and Kaka. And speaking of Patio, that boy is just fantastic and awesome to behold. Capello was watching the game which means Mr Beckham just nailed himself a spot on the English team because frankly, he deserves it. Say goodbye to all your girlfriends in LA Posh.
January 29th, 2009 at 3:05
@Grognard: Yeah, it’s a perfect place for him. He seems to have almost no responsibilities, from what I saw in his debut. He just hovers around the middle third of the pitch, lofting beautiful balls all over. Since he’s part of a 3-man central midfield, his territorial obligations aren’t too demanding. I was impressed with him as well.
I couldn’t be happier to see him leave the US. Anything to prevent soccer from becoming popular in this country. We’ll ruin it. I’m still pissed off that EPL scores are being shown on the ESPN ticker now. What is that about? Is ESPN about to buy the rights to EPL broadcasting in this country? Why the sudden interest? I want soccer to stay as the niche sport I’ve grown to love. If they start having segments about soccer on sportscenter I’ll blow my brains out.
January 29th, 2009 at 3:19
@Patrick: Actually there are murmurs that they may make a serious bid for EPL rights. Link
But I get your point, Jim Rome scoffing at soccer already gets my blood boiling. I really can’t stand Sportscenter either. But that said, ESPN gaining rights to EPL would increase soccer penetration in the US, much more than MLS signing David Beckham. Oh well, but I guess you wouldn’t want that though.
January 29th, 2009 at 3:54
@Red Ranter: I’ve long been of the opinion that soccer will never be popular in the country because there is no advertising revenue in it. Two 45 minute halves with no interruptions is a corporate nightmare in America. I think there is acually a direct correlation in America between the popularity of a sport and the amount of commercial revenue that can be derived from it. Football, Basketball, Baseball, Hockey, Soccer. It’s a linear correlation.
January 29th, 2009 at 4:03
@Patrick: I understand . It was the first thing that struck me when I came here. It almost seems as though the games were designed with commercial breaks in mind with rules coming later.
Of course, by that logic, cricket ought to be more popular.
January 29th, 2009 at 5:31
@Patrick: I’m with you on that. I hate it when something i love becomes to popular or mainstream. That’s when it gets corrupted by money and greed and lets face it, Americans are the kings in that department. No offense. I do like the way they set up their leagues structurally though. No nonsense with little towns and villages getting delusions of grandeur.
As for Beckham, he has really found a home in Milan. Ancelotti lets him do his stuff and he’s working real hard and it seems to be working. I’m pretty sure we’ve seen the last of him in the US. He only came over because he thought his career was over then all of a sudden he had a rebirth in the second half of his last season at Real, and I think he has regretted it ever since. And the last two games have proven to me that he still has it. Especially in the slow more continental style of play in Italy where his lack of pace won’t hold him back the wy it did in his last few years with Man Utd. I’m totally elated for him because he truly is one of the good guys in the game and he deserves one more kick at the can in the big time.
January 29th, 2009 at 5:35
@Red Ranter: The one thing I will never understand is how a toal ass clown like Jim Rome has gotten where he is today? I don’t understand the people who listen to his program. Is arrogant, uninformed, rude and and just a cocky asshole who thinks he’s too cool and has turned talk radio into some Generation X version of cult crap radio. I absolutely hate him and find him and his followers offensive, rude and boring. And as for his view on footy, who cares what such an ignorant morion thinks of the game? Let him cater to the Neanderthals that listen to him. They deserve each other.
January 29th, 2009 at 5:39
@Patrick: I think the real problem is that the majority of people in North America have been so systematically brainwashed by the tv clicker, that they are too impatient to watch a game like soccer. They suffer from universal symptoms of ADD and need plenty of points and action thrown at them at all times. Soccer has a more subtle and slower beauty to it that Americans and Canadians just don’t relate to well in general. But you are correct on the lack of advertising potential. Let them get a hold of the game and their will be a stop clock and break aways to commercials.
January 29th, 2009 at 5:40
@Red Ranter: Not as long as we have baseball it won’t.
January 29th, 2009 at 6:46
@RedDevilEddy: Eddy… if ANY major club comes to poach you and it is not United. You better go, son!
Let’s say, worst case, Derby (in the Championship) decided to sign you. Would you really be that stupid and say no? Not only would any Championship-side be better than where you are now (I assume you are not at Rosenborg), but they would be able to provide you with better training, coaches, etc. This would make you able to improve your game faster and show the Championship how good you really are. Any top Championship player will get picked up by a Premier league club. Then once you are in the EPL, you should be able to improve further and after HARD WORK you will be at Old Trafford smiling next to Sir Alex or his sucessor.
You have to improve and go where you can improve the most. Waiting for United could be bad for your progress and decrease your chances etc.
However, I would like nothing more than see a young kid go on National TV and officially berate Real Madrid … of course, your agent would not let you do that
Good luck with Ole’s school.
Of course, as a Pro at United, you would still write on RedRants, right?
January 29th, 2009 at 8:57
@Grognard: Okey, I will stay out of it. I just dont like to see two of my best friends on this fight over some stupid argument. But please, continue if you think that is the best solution.
January 29th, 2009 at 9:04
@Madschester United: We have scouts from Inter, Arsenal and United in our area. Heard it from coach. Yeah, I would have joined Derby, maybe, if I had no other opportunity. But to be honest, if Chelski, Shitty or Real came wanting me then yes. I would be stupid enough to say no. They discust me, and if I joined them I would probably get in trouble for painting “United forever” in the dressingroom.
I reall have that much a passion for United that I would turn down Real, Shitty or Chelski. They are all moneybags! Liverpool or Arsenal, yeah maybe. Lyon or Bayern, maybe. United? Definately! 
Derby or Southampton? Yeah. Especially Soton, because they give youngsters a chance, look at Bale and Walcott! Now how did we get to Soton… 
No, but Ill see what happend. The future is the hardest thing to predict anyways.
January 29th, 2009 at 9:08
@Grognard: You acually watch an Italian football game?!
I thought that was against your policy? 
Wow, you watching an Italian match is as likely as Rafa sounding sane!
January 29th, 2009 at 12:02
I have realised that ever since tevez has been paired with berba our goal scoring has massively increased, and tevez recent form has been great to say the least.So I was thinking , do we put rooney back in against inter milan , assuming hes over his injury by then, or do we stick with the berba-tevez partnership?
January 29th, 2009 at 12:17
mmm if chelsea and liverpool draw and we win our matches we could be 7 points clear
January 29th, 2009 at 14:08
@ Mike – Very interesting isn’t it? Someone over at Redcafe suggested the only place Rooney should be allowed to slot in when he comes back is on the left wing. It’s interesting and controversial, but you can’t knock results, and so far Tevez and Berba seem to compliment each other quite well.
Alternatively you could argue we’ve been 1-0 specialists with them playing together, so hard to tell.
What I do know is that Tevez and Berba seem to step on each other’s toes less than Rooney and Berba. Will be interesting.
January 29th, 2009 at 14:28
@mike: I think we are seeing from Tevez now what we saw from him last season. He needed time to get used to a strikerpartner, last season ti took him until mid october to play well with Wazza. And then they played 90 minutes all games. I think that when you play with Berba you have to change you playing style in a bit. HE has now got a run of games with BErba, which is probably the reason he plays well. I hope we sign him u now, but I really wonder how we will do with Wayne. I still think WAyne is more importnat to our game than Tevez, so I would play him against Inter. BUt we will see.
January 29th, 2009 at 14:33
@Beachryan: You must be kidding right. Tevez has been playing better but not in anyway better than Rooney’s form (right from Japan) when he got injured. Our recent form has been down to Carrick-Berba (and Giggs, Ronaldo too) combining well rather than Tevez-Berba. I can rememember Tevez missing atleast 3 gilt-edged chances in the last few matches.
Basically Berba’s running the whole show now, and I think Tevez looks better cos of it. When Rooney comes back, I would like him to slot right back in with Tevez on the bench. Ofcourse, I’m not saying Rooney will be on fire instantly, if not we could always sub Tevez in.
January 29th, 2009 at 14:58
quick news:
Paul Robinsons red card against United has been rescinded! Got to admit, i thought it was a bit harsh myself.
Evra and Nani fit for the weekend…….Sky News
January 29th, 2009 at 15:04
@antsBoy: gotta agree with ya there Bro! Get the Roon straight back on the pitch and use Teves when needed.
January 29th, 2009 at 15:31
@antsBoy: Tevez deserves his place in the team right now. Berbatov is playing well but so is tevez so neither should be dropped, either rooney is benched or played in a different position, or fergie finds another place for tevez. Rooney shouldn’t be able to just walk back into the team with the competition upfront. Although he was unlucky to get injured again, his form prior to his injury really doesn’t matter.
January 29th, 2009 at 15:42
You surely can’t break up a current winning partnership, Rooney has to earn his place back into the side like Carlos had to.
January 29th, 2009 at 16:49
I was looking at all-time premiership records today and found a couple nuggets I thought you’d enjoy:
-Robbie Savage has received 87 yellow cards, the most all-time, but has only received one red card in his career.
-I always knew he was the record holder, but I was unaware that Alan Shearer has SEVENTY ONE more goals than anyone in Premier League history. His total, 260, is twice as much as the eighth most prolific scorer in this history of the league. He has one less home goal than Thierry Henry’s total, the third highest goal scorer in EPL history.
-Ole Solskjaer has scored more goals as a sub than anyone in history. I’m sure you all knew that, but it bore repeating.
-Ryan Giggs has 76 more assists than the second ranked assistman in EPL history, David Beckham. Giggs leads in Open play assists and is second in Dead Ball assists. In 510 appearances he has never received a red card. 26 more appearances will give him the record for most appearances in EPL history. The current record is 535 held by grandpa Gary Speed.
January 29th, 2009 at 17:49
@RedDevilEddy: Curiosity has killed the cat because of Beck’s arrival in Milan. I have always been a big Beckham fan but I refused to watch the crap called MSL so for me it’s like he’s come out of retirement. He played very well during the weekend but yesterday was the best performance Beckham has given since 1999. He was simply outstanding.
I’ll continue to watch them while he’s there and I have to admit I have taken a great liking to this kid Pato. Right up there with Aguero and Messi in my books. His pace and agility coupled with his skill is something special to watch.
January 29th, 2009 at 17:51
@mike: Tevez will be back on the bench once Rooney is fit. You can take that to the bank. Rooney is like a son to the Gaffer. He can do no wrong in his eyes.
January 29th, 2009 at 17:51
@mike: Tevez playing has f–K all to do with our playing better. Carrick and Berba have been sublime and shredding open defenses. End of.
January 29th, 2009 at 17:54
@Grognard: Beckham is a media whore, and will go anywhere for pubicity. He sold his soul signing firstly for Madrid for his own personal greed, and then to the Micky Mouse league, the MLS.
I thought his last decent performance was 2001 away to Spurs.
January 29th, 2009 at 17:55
@Eric the Red: Are you saying Carlos has been playing poorly? Did you see him play against Spurs in the cup?
January 29th, 2009 at 18:02
@RedDevilEddy: I really don’t think it’s a case of Tevez and Berba becoming simpatico out there. It’s much more a case of them doing their thing separately but Berbatov just getting more familiar with all his teammates tendencies and the team’s style. His last few goals have had nothing to do with Tevez but more to do with a firm understanding with Carrick. With that said, I agree that they are not stepping on each other’s toes but I don’t think that was happening with Rooney either. The real difference was the play of Carrick offensively as well as the reemergence of Ronaldo as a force. This automatically has given Berbatov and Tevez more room to operate. They can rotate the three and I think the team will still fire on all cylinders because they are presently in form collectively, and above all confident. By the end of the week we could easily be 7 points clear and when that happens, it will mark the beginning of the end for the rest. United will smell blood and I could see them walk away with the title by well over ten points. We clearly have the best team on paper and depth wise.
We have survived a major injury bug setback and some of our boys have returned. More will be back in the next few weeks and this can only be good for the future provided we don’t lose a Ronaldo or Berba for an extended period. The League is weak this year and so now is our time to get in gear and take the Prem by the throat and squeeze.
January 29th, 2009 at 18:08
@antsBoy: Totally agree. Carrick’s been more willing to move forward and both he and Berbatov seem to work well together as Carrick has delivered beautiful pass after beautiful pass to Berba for a few weeks now. The pass he gave him for the disallowed goal was one of the best I have seen in a while and truly magic. And if Berba was offside, it was by a toenail. For me that was the pass of the season by anyone. Berba is tuning into the team’s system more and is an active part of the buildup as well as the finish. He’s involving himself in more triangular setups and has been fantastic in 1,2’s with Carrick and others. I always stated that once he got comfortable with his new surroundings and his teammates, that the Eric Cantona in him would come out and that the team would not only play better but the return of beautiful football would come as a result. To all the Berbatov detractors out there….
January 29th, 2009 at 18:09
@phoenix red: I don’t think it was a red either but it should be a yellow. His intent was not to injure but he did come in hard nevertheless.
January 29th, 2009 at 18:12
@Stephen: So I guess you aren’t a Beckham fan then.
January 29th, 2009 at 18:13
@Stephen: Nope. Don’t think he’s played poorly at all. I just don’t think that there is now some magic understanding between Berba and Tevez. United’s upturn, IMHO, has more to do with Berba and Carrick uping their respective games. And, I think we would have done just as well with (though I think likely better) with Rooney partnering Berba.
January 29th, 2009 at 18:15
@Grognard: Not in thr slightest, how could you tell??!?!?
January 29th, 2009 at 18:17
Now that Huntelaar and Pavlyuchenko have been bought by others and Ibisevic has torn hi ligaments and been scrapped for the season, there is nobody out there that I would prefer to Carlos Tevez except Aguero and Pato. And they would each cost twice what the buyout price for Carlito is. 32 Million is more than he’s worth but lets face it, the player gives 100% for us every time he’s out there and his attitude on the pitch has not suffered due to his contract problems. I’d safely say that he bleeds United red and I think now that it would be a real shame to let him go. Sign him up and lets get this situation over with. I for one enjoy watching his Tasmanian Devil style cause havoc on the pitch for opponents.
January 29th, 2009 at 18:17
@Eric the Red: I think Carlos has been superb recently, but agree the Carrick Berba understanding has been a real feature recently.
I do think Carlito deserves credit, he has got his head down and worked really hard, personally I think he has given us something different to Rooney which has been refreshing, ans less needless fouls.
Fergie, Fergie sign him up!
January 29th, 2009 at 18:31
@Stephen: Just a weird feeling I got.
I have always been a fan of his on the pitch but off the pitch I think he lives the life of a clown along with that plastic and ugly as sin Barbie he calls a wife.
January 29th, 2009 at 18:40
@Grognard: One of my major issues with him is the spin with the reason why he left, this row with Fergie and the boot incident.
I am not doubting the falling out with Fergie had influence on his decision to leave, but Beckham fans seem unwilling to admit the real reason why he turned his back on us.
Super Becks always sayes he is a lifelong United fan, but he turned down a £90 plus a week contract down with us because he wanted I think a further £20k image rights per week, remember this was in 03!!!
So to me his greed is the reason he left us, and anyone who is so influenced by his wife, well is an embarrasment.
January 29th, 2009 at 18:56
@Stephen: There is no doubt that he had been corrupted by money and fame. I mean being married to a Spice Girl (the ugliest one) has got to do something to one’s ego and fix on reality. Still, i feel he was totally committed to United but yes, he wanted his cake and toast it also. It was not a crime that the lad found other things in his life that were as important or more than football. We should all be so lucky. Nothing beats family. A wife and kids is the rock we should all base our lives upon. But his wife was I feel a bit of a negative influence because of her circle of friends and dare I say it, “Posh” lifestyle. All of a sudden we started to see bizarre and ridiculous haircuts, piercings and jewelery everywhere and more ugly tattoos than Captain Jack Sparrow. More nights out on the town and jaunts down to London. It did affect his game a bit but i was still surprised at how hungry he was to play and be part of a trophy winning environment.
I honestly believe going to Madrid initially broke his heart. I believe to this day he is United through and through but that it was his relationship or breakdown with Fergie that caused his departure, not the wage or image demands. Fergie has a lot to answer for the incident. He’s not perfect but you know what, he’s the Boss. Whether you like his style or not, it’s his way or the highway. Just ask RVN, Gabby Heinze and many others who have crossed him. He’s old fashioned and resented the attention and the distractions Beckham was bringing upon himself as well as the club and he just had reached his tolerance point. The rest is history.
I have been and always will be a David Beckham fan. Despite his tacky as Hell style and lifestyle, I think he is a class individual and one of the genuinely nice people in the sport. He is friendly and outgoing with his teammates and with the fans and media and has won many friends all over the footballing and celebrity world. There is a reason they loved him in Madrid and now in Milan, because he gets on well with the team and does not let his celebrity status keep him from being just plain Dave. LA was a very bad idea and he should never have done that, but I think he learned from it and i think he still has a few good years left in him. I for one wish him well because frankly, he deserves it.
January 29th, 2009 at 19:07
@Grognard: Mate, intersting points I will pick them up tomorrow, my MD wats to go for a glass or two of wine so in these difficult times can’t really say no!
January 29th, 2009 at 20:45
@Grognard: I think the best pass I have seen this season by any player is the one from Carrick to Berbatov for the 2-1 goal against Spurs in the FA cup. After that comes Andersons assist for Rooney against Aalborg, then Evans 60 inch-perfect pass to Rooney during the 3-0 win against Chelski. If Scholes had done what Evans did there it would be marked as brilliant. So when Evans does it, how do you rate that?
Best passes of the season for sure… 
And I think the form of Tevez has been that he now plays like himself. He seems to understand Berbatov and they dont run into eachother as much as they did before. I look forward to see what our 5(!) strikers can do for us in the future. If Tevez signs that is! I hope next season we can have the offensive force of having Rooney, Tevez, Berbatov and Fraizer Campbell as strikers, with Welbeck possibly as back up or going on loan to get experience. Future certanly is bright!
January 29th, 2009 at 20:51
@Grognard: pato, i spoke about this guy during his internacional days in Brasil, amazing player, great skill and pace, i’m looking forward to his canarinho career flourishing in the future, i hope kaka influences his off-pitch lifestyle, then he will be a fixture for the next decade or so in a canarinha shirt. He would be a dream buy for united, though i doubt Ac will let him go without a fight
January 29th, 2009 at 20:52
@Grognard: I think Becks made a mistake Ronaldo seems smart enough not to do.
Beckham got married in a very early stage of his career, and his wife was very succesful at that time. She is horny for PR, and that has affected both his play and his desire to play football. I think that had it not been for Vic we might have had a Beckham considered a legend right now. Maybe even in the mould of Giggs! Ronaldo at LW, Beckham at RM. That would have been a really forceful wing play! Two completely different wingers, one good at taking a man on and Beckham good at crossing. For free kicks Becks could have taken those close to the box, Ronaldo they from nearly 30 yards or so. Ronalod could go into the box for Becks crosses and score on headers. Oops, my keyboard got dirty. 
Reall dream stuff, I luved Becks when he played for us. I followed him a little in America, but then I got tired of watching celebrities playing what looked like football with worse quality than the Norwegian Sunday League for 12 year olds! I would luv it if Becks finished his career here at United, maybe a transfer back to United in his last playing year would be nice. But I think Fergies dignity is too strong, and he would never do that. Still, good idea for us “fantasy footballers”. 
Aah, I happy days at the moment…
January 29th, 2009 at 20:55
@Mr.Muhozi: Pato, or “the duck” as some Italian know im, is a quite good footballer. He is not in the class of Aguero though, and I doubt he would cost more than £20 million. He is a player for the future, but he is not a player I would like to see at United. Good player maybe, but I think that he really aint much better than Fraizer Campbell. Call me mad or stupid, but as an AC Milan watcher I really think so.
January 29th, 2009 at 20:55
@Mr.Muhozi: What bugs me is United were after him as well as Milan and they allowed themselves to lose out to AC. We were close.
January 29th, 2009 at 20:58
@RedDevilEddy: OK, you’re mad and stupid.
Pato is ten times the player Campbell is. His pace and imagination and his ever improving finishing and aggressiveness is fabulous to watch. When the Grognard drools over a player, trust me, he’s worth it because I don’t go ga ga very often.
January 29th, 2009 at 21:05
@RedDevilEddy: I do not agree with your statement that Becks lost his desire to play after meeting and marrying Posh. I think he was always professional and always played hard. It was Fergie who had a bug up his ass about the distractions and influence she had over him and frankly, he was out of line because a manager does not get involved in a player’s personal life like that. That was his wife for crying out loud, not a girlfriend. He was a father and a husband and regardless of their lifestyle, he deserved more respect from Fergie. So Fergie waited for Becks to have one bad performance and the show went flying. I’ll always remember how Fergie benched Becks near the end of his career but I’ll always remember him sitting in the second leg against Real when we were down and out and losing the game 3-1 and Becks came in as a sub and scored two big goals to at least win the game and capture a little pride back for the club. I wonder if we might not have won that tie had he not been benched in the first place. Fergie felt betrayed by Becks. Why? I have no idea. Becks felt betrayed by Fergie. From where I sit, I can see Beck’s case far better than Fergie’s. Sorry Fergie supporters, but Becks was wronged.
January 29th, 2009 at 21:07
@Stephen: I am like Groggy here a big Becks fan. If I ever become a proffesional I owe it all to him, as he made me start playing and luv this beautiful game. But I think that it wasnt Beckham himself who wanted to leave United. It was more Victoria, as the filthy bitch she is. She was horny for public relations, and just wanted money or more ways to get famous. She even ruined Becks career by making him move to LA, do you really need more proof?!