Jul 03
Why Heinze Won’t Go to Liverpool
The answer is very simple really.
Manutd.com carries a report where Heinze says that he would deliberate about a move to another club. But the club needs to really, really convince him that the move would be right for him.
So why would he not move to Liverpool?
First of all, he wants to move to a really big super club the status of Man United, if he does move. Secondly, he is actually very happy at United, terming it as ‘perfect’ here at OT. He’s already been made captain here and won the title. Something, that’s difficult to imagine at Anfield.
“I already play for one super-club and other ones, such as Real Madrid, Barcelona and Juventus, have been mentioned,â€
Ouch! No mention of Liverpool. That’s got to hurt. So Rafa, stay away. Forget it. A transfer from OT to Liverpool is never going to happen. Unless you want Kieran Richardson.
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with 2 champion leagues to their name….. Remember… Fergie manage u guys for 21 yrs… and only won the CL ONCE…. Legendary…..stuff..
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yeah right and how many league titles did fergie win?? err i think its nine isn’t it??? yeah SAF won it 9 times! Liverpool dominated europe in the 80s in an era when european competitions were dominated by english clubs. if clubs like Forest and villa won the trophy i dont think its big deal that liv won 4. what they did was just their duty towards the nation. (i agree though that winning it in 2005 when u were considered as weak is an achievement). then u scousers destroyed it all at heysel! then its man utd who had to pick up the pieces in the face of strong italian domination at the time…and compund that with that stupid foreigners rule then u realise y fergie hasnt won more european cups. hypothetical question: would bob paisley have won 3 CL in our era with his style of management? i seriously doubt it.
@ade tell me something, is it ur style to try insult people who put arguments against u? lol u didnt have any argument to counter mine, thats y saying i should have been called alice is a veryyy strongg argument to deny mine!! lolll
18 titles! lol hope 4 u that in 20 yrs (if am still alive) i wont b hearing liv supporters still chant that number! remember 16snt quite far off 18….cheers and stop taking everything so personal, everyone has the right to an opinion.
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Liverpool was a SUPER CLUB before the 90′s but not any more! Since 1992 they have never won a premier league title. Since 1992 Man U have won the CL title once (99) nad won 9 Premier League titles. Since 1990, Liverpool have won only one CL title i.e. 2005. So 1-1 on CL and 9-0 in Premiership in the last 16 years. Who then, is the SUPER CLUB NOW!!!!
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You cant be a Super Club just because you have won your domestic league several times… Lyon just won for the 6 straight time… Are they are super club too??? NOPE.
Super club is about the BEST in Europe.. I am afraid Man U doesnt fall under this..
Sorry to bust your bubbles..
I agree we aint a super club either.. We need to win the league on a consistent basic to be one…. But 2 CL finals in 3 yrs… surely put us up there…
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2 totally contradictory statements:
“Super club is about the BEST in Europe.. I am afraid Man U doesnt fall under this.. ”
AND
“I agree we aint a super club either.. We need to win the league on a consistent basic to be one….”
SO WHICH IS IT?
Personally I think a Super Club is much more than that. You need to take annual income/trunover as well. If I’m not mistaken, then that is the most defining criteria.
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Clarification.. To be a Super club. You need to win your domestic and also win in Europe.
what you have done… Lyon is doing.. which is countless domestic titles… that doesnt make you a super club. You are a super club in england.. What liverpool did in the 70s and 80s and Madrid of the late 90s is super club standard.
Just bcos you beat reading, wigan, bolton dont make you a super club my friend,.
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During our dominance of English football, we also won in Europe 4 times… That is the standard of Super Clubs…
Madrid and AC Milan didnt the same. You cant win a CL in 68 and another in 99 and call yourself a super club… Sorry..
Win the CL 3 times in 5 yrs and u ll gain super club status…
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Sorry to continue with this tirade…
Funny how people always include these teams “reading, wigan, bolton…” but they never add Liverpool to it.
We beat you TWICE!!!
Even during the 2004/2005 season (remember that season – when you acheived your “superclub status” by winning the CL?) – we beat you TWICE!!! (together with reading wigan, bolton)
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IMO, I think the following is more definitive of what a Super Club is:
As a player, I would definitely consider these before making a move.
(taken from – http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,,2008280,00.html)
Previous place in parentheses (values current/previous year)
1 (1) Real Madrid €292.2m (€275.7m)
2 (6) Barcelona 259.1 (207.9)
3 (4) Juventus 251.2 (229.4)
4 (2) Man United 242.6 (246.4)
5 (3) Milan 238.7 (234.0)
6 (5) Chelsea 221.0 (220.8)
7 (9) Inter 206.6 (177.2)
8 (7) Bayern M 204.7 (189.5)
9 (10) Arsenal 192.4 (171.3)
10 (8) Liverpool 176 (181.2)
11 (15) Lyon 127.7 (92.9)
12 (11) Roma 127 (131.8)
13 (12) Newcastle 124.3 (128.9)
14 (14) Schalke 04 122.9 (97.4)
15 (13) Tottenham 107.2 (104.5)
16 (n/a) Hamburg 101.8 (n/a)
17 (17) Man City 89.4 (90.1m)
18 (n/a) Rangers 88.5 (n/a)
19 (n/a) West Ham 60.1 (n/a)
20 (n/a) Benfica 58.8 (n/a)
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omg why such an argument over one comment made by heinze? he’s not even leaving man utd let alone for liverpool i mean why would they need him when theyv got riise?
big deal he didnt mention liverpool nor did he mention milan, inter, arsenal, lyon etc…
PS. Liverpool have made an interesting gamble in torres, apparently he is know to be very inconsistent in spain…. david villa is th real talent over there
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I though this thread was about a certain Argie ah well…
How do u define a ‘super-club’ if Man U aren’t one and neither are Liverpool?! Barcelona didn’t win their league or the CL this yr, does that mean they’re not a super club too? Are there any ‘super-clubs’ ?
History, prestige, success, world-wide recognition, wealth, stadium, fan base, surely these are the things that make up a so called ‘super-club’, if they are then both Man U and Liverpool are surely in this category constantly and pretty much the only English teams currently who should be with maybe Arsenal and Chelski bouncing in and out.
As for Heinze if he is to leave and wants to stay in the premiership to play I can see his only option being going to Liverpool. If Man U want to sell I don’t think fans could begrudge his choice. I personally would prefer he stay or go to one of the big too in Spain (the most likely option).
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ur all funny in ur definitions of super clubs…notice that i didnt use that term in my previous posts…i somehow agree with the hex red in his definition…both man u and liv qualify to be one…i wont b dishonest enuff to say that 2 CL finals in 3 yrs is not a good achievement, but was reaching the CL final last season liverpool’s main aim? at the start of the season people were tipping them as chelsea’s main title challengers, yet they didnt even challenge for the title. u cant claim to be europe’s best and a dominant force when u cant even win in ur own league, and yes, beat the likes of wigan, reading and newcastle. were u the second best team in europe last season?? were u even better than chelsea? u got to the final on penalties man!! man u beat u twice last season!! so can u legitimately claim that u were better than man u?? i wont claim man u was the best team in europe either..we were outplayed by milan (though i dont think we would have been have all our defenders been fit and playing)…and as i told u winning 4 in an era when nottingham forest and aston villa won it isnt that big an achievement.
and yeah dont talk as if SAF never won the CL…he did in glorious fashion in 1999…united were unbeaten and scored in all their games…u know despite we won only 2 we r the best supported club in the world…even more than real madrid! most of the greatest players ever in british football have worn the red shirt of manchester!!
also, if u really did witness some of liverpool’s title triumphs, u will remember that even u did have to beat the likes of watford and sheffied wednesday to win the title!!!
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The Great Position Debate: Left Back…
This series investigates who will play where next season at Manchester United. I look at each player that can play in each position before deciding who will star next season and who will be out the door. We’ll start the debate at left back as t…
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Liverpool forever…..i will knock u off your perch fergie
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Liverpool scum can go to hell for all i care, the only reason torres joined such a shit team is that Man Utd didn’t want to pay such a high price for an overrated, underperforming, inconsistant spaniard that doesn’t score enough goals and doesn’t set any body up on acount of his selfishness, not to mention the fact that Man Utd are on the verge of signing a much better player (and younger too) player in Tevez, so you can take your rubbish team and fuck off back up the mersey because liverpool will never be as big as manchester united.
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“Liverpool scum can go to hell for all i care, the only reason torres joined such a shit team is that Man Utd didn’t want to pay such a high price for an overrated, underperforming, inconsistant spaniard that doesn’t score enough goals and doesn’t set any body up on acount of his selfishness, not to mention the fact that Man Utd are on the verge of signing a much better player (and younger too) player in Tevez, so you can take your rubbish team and fuck off back up the mersey because liverpool will never be as big as manchester united.”
Little Dud, you are a prick!! Are you talking about Rooney in your statement above, because I dont think he set the goalscoring cahrts alight. You must also some kind of expert on football, as the likes of Cruyf, Rickyard, Cappello and even that arsehole Ferguson have come out and praised Torres for all the things you slag him for!! you should go for teh England job you dick!!
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Funnny… Man U didnt want to pay such an high price for an overated player…
But you paid £28M for veron? £18M for Carrick? and Torres is not worth £20M .. ? You are simple hilairious….
Are you a clown or you just lack the ability to think?
The reason Torres didnt go to Man U is simply bcos Liverpool is his preferred club…
Just as Slivertre, Evra, Vidic prefered Man U over liverpool…
Dont cry about it… It is part of life….
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Makes me laugh with all these Man Utd fans thinking they are the ‘best’ team ever with loads of history blah blah.
Do realise that Liverpool has soul, all players from around the world who aren’t ruled by their bank accounts take pay cuts to join us… not because we can’t afford it but because they know they are joining a ‘family’ so to speak. Note alot of players that could have joined other clubs on more money but once Liverpool came in it that was that.
Christiano Ronaldo even wanted to join us!!! but Ged Houllier turned him down, big mistake yes…… but Ronaldo wanted it. You pay over rated muppets like Rio ‘the best defender in the world my arse’ Ferdinand wages he does not warrant (£110,000 – 120,000 p.w.?)
Anyway, Heinze wouldnt have a problem joining us im sure… Even Henry said we have the most amazing fans and they send shivers down his spine when in anthem… So Man Utd fans point your stupid comments at Man City, the club who will overtake you very soon. hahahahaha.
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[Alex Dawson]
Your comment is anachronistic. Had you talked about pay cuts and budget buying and the like last season, I might have granted you that. Not now. Not when Hicks and Gillet themselves call Liverpool a franchise. You aren’t very different from us in that sense now. Stop being pretentious. Admit it. Don’t give me ‘family values’ and bollocks like that. How can players playing outside England have familial feelings for a club in England. Hell, let me not kid myself, no outside player would have that feeling even for United. They come to the EPL for 3 reasons:
1. Money
2. The challenge of playing in a tough league
3. And moving to one of the big 4, whoever shows sustained interest and convinces the player. And in some rare cases like Berbatov, who moved to Spurs.
Don’t trust players (the foreign ones) to develop a feeling of family before joining the club. They might after playing in the club for a while, but definitely not before.
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Well, to be honest i can sort of see where you are coming from (about the foreigners). When you have fans such as Little Dud (see above) who makes comments like that then it makes you think that some people snipe at another club and its fans because they feel they have to (stereotyping).
Gab Heinze im sure would not have trouble in joining such a massive club as Liverpool even though he is a UTD player. Fernando Torres is a quality player and i feel in the current climate of ridiculous money transfers then he is set at the correct price.
Anyway, Liverpool always seem to vet their players and be sure they ‘want’ to join and alot of players have put the club before money… But, i will say…… If you get paid £45,000 per week when you was offered £55,000 elsewhere and you have C/L football then i suppose its not all bad after all !!!
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Look at this from Hienze’s perspective, a player.
He receives a letter telling him to look for another team. He wants to stay in England and fight for titles that would also let him play in the Champions League. Where to go? Not Chelsea because they like Cashcole. Not Aresenal because they have a starter there too, although what a complainer he continues to be. How about Liverpool? They have problems at LB and some Argies for mates. Not a hard decision, except for those fans living in their angry past and red nose himself who resist. They do not care what is best for their players. They would rather hold onto their grievances! A sorry lot no matter who fits the shoe. Liverpool fan or Manc fan. Let go your childish anger and move on…
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