Jul 03
Why Heinze Won’t Go to Liverpool
The answer is very simple really.
Manutd.com carries a report where Heinze says that he would deliberate about a move to another club. But the club needs to really, really convince him that the move would be right for him.
So why would he not move to Liverpool?
First of all, he wants to move to a really big super club the status of Man United, if he does move. Secondly, he is actually very happy at United, terming it as ‘perfect’ here at OT. He’s already been made captain here and won the title. Something, that’s difficult to imagine at Anfield.
“I already play for one super-club and other ones, such as Real Madrid, Barcelona and Juventus, have been mentioned,â€
Ouch! No mention of Liverpool. That’s got to hurt. So Rafa, stay away. Forget it. A transfer from OT to Liverpool is never going to happen. Unless you want Kieran Richardson.
Related items from Red Rants:
- Heinze loses arbitration for Liverpool move, what’s next for him and United?
- Why Moving to Liverpool Won’t Help Heinze
- Heinze Has Gotten On My Nerves
- Decision To Be Made On Heinze… Today!
- Heinze Set to Leave OT
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A really super club-as in should be competing in the later stages of the Champions League each year………………….hhhhhmmmm let me think which on the clubs in red that would be! You sir are a numpty, Heinze may well join the Mighty Reds as they are developing a team that should lead a real challenge for the Prem. Also a lot more Spaniards and Argies at Anfield not to mention the Coach.
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big super club the status of Man United!How can you be a big super club when you only won the European cup as many times as Nottingham Forest !A super club must have won it 5-7 times .Heinze can buy out hes contract and sign with any other club with out United can do anything about it .lets see whats happen .
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cue hordes of Pool fans who will blindly argue Liverpool’s greatness…
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Sure Man U is a Super club… with 2 Champion Leagues in 100 yrs… We did it 5 times… and won the league 18 times…
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Which club has won the most English League Titles?
Which English club has won the most European Cups/Champions Leagues?
Liverpool and Liverpool
You can call yourselves whatever you like but its trophies that matter and we have won more than you.
Champions of Europe twice? LOL LOL LOL Same as Forest!
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That seems fair enough, as a LFC fan, I’m a bit ambiguous about signing Heinze. (I found this article on newsnow by the way, I haven’t been trawling MU forums looking to have a dig).
No arguments about you being a bigger club than us, for the moment, and that it’s easy to assume that a move from you to us could be viewed as a step down. But with Riise, Aurelio and probably even Arbeloa already lined up as our left backs, it puzzles me why we’re linked with a player who, good as he is, isn’t going to set the world alight at Anfield even if he wasn’t a current MU player.
For one I hope this doesn’t happen. Yes like I say he’s a decent left back, but he’s not in my opinion a good enough player to make the switch, and there are other targets out there for us.
Anyway, if it does happen, how would ManU fans treat him if he lined up for us at Old Trafford? I remember when Barmby signed for us from the Toffees and the shite he got at Goodison was terrible, though he did go on to score the winner so it made them shut up.
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When I first read the comments I thought it was one of a bitter blue, but then hey Man who, you dont surprise us with your little talk. 5 times, says it all, super club we are, super club you would like.
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We dont want that twat anyway. Anyone who wears that filthy jersey never deserves to wear a liverpool shirt, although I am sure he would love a good run in the champions leauge with a team that has a genuine chance of winnin it……
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ManYoo can keep him……furthermore there has never been a transfer from OT to ANFIELD for 43years and I’m sure the fans won’t like him as well.He’ll get plenty of offers after The Copa America,trust me.
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@Ade
When last? Was it in your lifetime? or your father’s?
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Manchester United last won the European Cup in the same century that my club, Bury FC, won the FA Cup twice.
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Ahmed Bilal – cue hordes of Pool fans who will blindly argue Liverpool’s greatness…
Blindly?
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That must surely be a shitty feeling hey? … To hear people say your club won the league (18times), but never actually seen it (once).
Is that perhaps why you’re on a United fansite instead of your own?
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I’m sure Heinze is big and bold enough to decide himself. Why would he want to stay and play second fiddle to Evra who is not fit to lace his boots? Granted Heinze was a shadow of himself last season but he was injured for a long time, he was oyur player of the year during 2005/2006. He has won the league in England so maybe he wants to win the European Cup next? He has a far better chance of doing that at Anfield. Fergie is a great manager but apart from the 99 fluke he hasn’t come close whereas Rafa has led us to two finals in 3 seasons. No disputing Ferguson’s domestic prowess but in Europe he isn’t close to Benitez. This may turn Heinze’s head. I still think he’ll stay with your lot though
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Ooooooh Karl, are you Oscar Wilde in disguise?
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With the views of the history fc fans saying we won 18 league titles blah blah blah… With the same logic you could argue that Uruguay are one of the giants of international football
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Why Heinze wont go to Liverpool? Fergie probably won’t sell him to us and if he does he’ll have to put up with almighty stick which would dwarf what Sol Campbell recieved but if you look at it objectively it would be a move that would make sense. We need a left back, Riise has had to many chances at left back and failed, and man u already have 3 or 4 left backs. In relation to the super club claim it’s Heinze who has encouraged Rafa to bid for him so whilst you would never expect a man u player to describe Liverpool as a super club if he joined us we’d be a super club and he wouldn’t mention man u. It’s the way of life footballers are becoming more and more like whores every year, see Henry who slated Barca last year joins them this year. Mr Bilal as for your comment about blindly argueing Liver[ool’s greatness We have won 18 titles, 5 European Cups 7 FA Cups and 6 League Cups (2 against your lot) which is pretty great, I know that man u fans like to say that football was easy before the premiership BOLLOCKS the fact is despite the chavs billions the biggest clubs in England are Liverpool and man u.
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Behave. Super Club my arse.
Great teams win the European Cup – THATS HOW EVERYBODY ELSE JUDGES THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A GOOD CLUB & A SUPER CLUB. And no – Nottingham Forest is NOT a super club, and neither are you.
UEFA seedings for 2008 Champions League
1. AC Milan
2. Barcelona
3. LIVERPOOL
4. Inter Milan
5. Arsenal
6. Real madrid
7 = Chelsea
7 = MAN UTD
PS – He’s shit anyway
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Karl, the beauty of it is, i have seen Liverpool won EVERYTHING. CL, League titles, FA, UEFA, Carling, you name it, i have witness it.
It doesnt really matter if we havent won in a while… go and check how many trophies we have won since 2000. I count ed 10…
I am not going to argue if it was my lifetime or my father’s lifetime. as this is irrelevant….
Manyooo have won the CL twice in their history… Madrid 9, ACMilan 7 Liverpool 5, You are sure a super club for been able to beat Wigan, Reading, etc with such players like Rooney, Ronaldo, and Rio… to win the league… what an achievement.
At least we can boost of beating Barca, Milan, Juve and Mr Liverpool a.k.a Chelsea… in the CL…
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Mrs Liverpool.. A.K.A Chelsea…. We always beat them in the CL… so they are our litle girlfriend.
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Methinks the Liverpool fans do protest too much. As usual.
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lol How this was on news now I will never know….
anyways it’s nice to see such a debate between fans, I have to admit that Alex poached alot of the manure team that became champions and I also believe he took a little while to get going along with almost loosing his job!
The thing is everyone talks about Chelsea spending money after the team came in bringing the gary phil david giggs etc they have bought big and have done it often! Veron 28.1m Van horse face 20m (I will admit that was well spent) Rooney 30m rio 30m carric 18m ronaldo 14m stam was like 15m+!!! Cole 6m (I believe that was the record before shearer) saha 12-14m. After that first lot of players Manure have spent and spent!
you lot think your better than everyone else well 99% of Manure supporters DONT live in Manchester!
If Rafa can win in a league that was run by Barca and Real I’m sure he will do it here! as for Hinze he’s nothing more than a squad player needed for cover!
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comment was made before Liverpools interest was known. The chance of him being at Anfield next year are high. Good player and a steal at 5m Wave bye bye.
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@Ade
With a response like that I have to say – with foot in mouth – Respect!
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Liverpool play boring football. Benitez kills off the game before it can even start to flow. And a team that are a bore to watch are no team at all.
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The CL is a cup competition. Historically cup competitions can be won by lesser teams.
League titles are harder to win and a true test of the quality of a team. Yes Liverpool have won the league title 18 times and in the late seventies & eighties were a better (although on a World Stage not a bigger team) than Man U. However I think if you check recent history out of fifteen premier league titles how many have Liverpool won. 0! Man Utd? 9.
I rest my case
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Benitez can only use the players at his disposal, You cant play like eto, if you have Bellamy, U cant play like Ronaldo, if you have Zenden or Pennant, so give the man a bit of respect. with the resources at hand, i think he has done well… He won CL with Biscan, Traore, Smicer, Dudek, etc… Arsenal cant win with henry and co, Manyoo cant win it with Rooney Rio and co… so lay off the man.
You cant expect Benitez to play like Barca… we just dont have those sort of players… A smart man is one that knows his limitations… Benitez knew this..
YOu saw what happened when Manyoo tried to attack Milan? you lot got reeped a new asshole. End of story
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Ade, firstly, you CAN blame Benitez because the players at his disposal are the player he CHOSE to represent the club.
Secondly, United got made an ass because we DEFENDED against Milan as opposed to attacking them. Our own doing. Let’s hope SAF learnt from it.
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Karl, We tried to buy Alves, Simao before Pennant. We tried to buy torres we got Bellamy, We are trying for Malouda, but at £17M we cant afford it.
He bought with whatever money is available… We dont have a sugar daddy like Chelsea… we cant pay 22M for SWP… it is just not our business model…
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I for one would be fairly happy to have Heinze at Anfield. He is strong, determined and looks like he would die for his club. It does make me laugh though to see some the coments that get posted about the percieved size of the clubs. I will make one comment and that is the the so called super clubs he mentions have all won the European cup/champions league more times than United, as have Liverpool!! The way to measure the size of a club is by the number of trphies i nthe cabinet, not by the amount of fans in Surrey and Asia.
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People swipe at United for buying big, perhaps Benitez should follow the same principle? Instead of buying 5 players @ 3mil, why not buy 1 player @ 15mil?
Can’t help myself for adding the following (don’t get me wrong its actually derived from your own words):
I’m ok with the fact that you guys ‘beat Barca, Milan, Juve…’ to get your title, we can only boast of beating lowly teams (like Liverpool).
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As a Man u fan, i’d hate to see heinze move to Liverpool. but i can understand that, apart from Man U, Liverpool will the the only club he’d want to join in England.
Manchester United are a club which has been rebuilding since 2003/2004, and on paper, was not yet ready to recapture the league.. yet we did it, and did it with style by scoring 83 goals! yeah right liv beat barca, then lost to the likes of blackburn and newcastle. ask most of the pundits and they will tell u that the team which wins the league are always the best coz the league runs for 8 months! From now i think we can only get better, and this must be a frightening prospect for opponents. and yes u need to beat the likes of reading and wigan to win it
, and 6 points from a certain liverpool…but the again when u cannot win something the best excuse is “well i didnt care to win it anyway” lol dont forget we also used this excuse before!!!
Europe!! our holy grail!! well liverpool have been better there coz they play the calculating and conservative football required. i blieve that, considering the injury crisis and rather meagre squad united had last season, reaching the semis was already beyond expectations. the truth is that SAF will never compromise on united’s traditions of attacking football. we built our legend on that! i’d hate to see us playing the negative chelsea or liverpool way. and i believe we’ll win the CL again playing the United way, ie attacking! Despite having less trophies in our cabinet, United have always been the most mediatised and popular team in UK. with only 2 CL we have at worse the same prestige as Real, Milan and Liverpool. this is coz we never compromised on our attacking football traditions.
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LOL, i am sure you love to amused yourself…. is your real name Alice? cos you re in wonderland….
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@Ade, we beat you twice last season alone…
IMHO:
1. I don’t think Heinze meant Liverpool is not a Super Club…they are.
2. Liverpool’s CL record will make any club jealous.
3. To sell Heinze to Liverpool (or anyone for that matter) will be a big mistake – he is a damn good player.
4. Sorry, but, Liverpool do play boring football.
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Sure you did. It is an exceptional season for you guys…. It is not going to happen again.
2 season ago. which team knocked you out of the F.A Cup?? same team that won it
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Liverpool are a good cup team, I’ll give you that but they haven’t won the league in a very long time. They have a manager that knows how to play against big teams but you haven’t got a team that can grind out results match after match. Every match in the league against the top three for you is treated like a cup game.
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Cant be doing with all this silly stuff between Utd and Liverpool fans so will comment on the proposed transfer from an unobjectionable liverpool fans pov.
I would welcome it. Heinze is a quality player and I think he could do a good job for us as well as quality cover at cb. I cant imagine it would happen and mainly due to the rediculous amount of grief he would get from Utd fans when he lined up against Utd at OT. Thats the sad world we live in.
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as a man utd fan i quite like liverpool… (my brother supports them) but they do play boring football and i wouldnt like heinze to go cos he’s a great player.
Liverpool should be classed as a super club with their history and current record… The only reason they’re not mentioned in the same breath is that most super clubs have won their domestic leagues in the past 10 years.
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To be honest, I think Heinze would fancy a move to Liverpool, especially if he wants to stay in England.
Put all the biased views aside United fans, you’ve got to admit, we’re a team that is going places. 2 European Cup finals in 3 years, along with an FA Cup, League Cup, Charity Shield and Super Cup. Admittidley the league title is missing, but, it will come…one day
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hahaha what actually gets me is liverpool fans blabbering on about these 18 titles they have won…….. premiership how many times? we have won it 16 times, thats so far behind you’s, and yes fair play too you’s, in the CL you’s are the superteam, but its funny that a super team consists of teams winning it 5-7 times, if liverpool won it 4 times i bet it would consist off teams who won it 4-7 times lol… fact is yes you’s are a great team and there is no denying it, but its hardly as if you’s are light years ahead of united, i remember united had won 11 titles and liverpool laughed saying, 18 titles, not so far ahead now……….
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LOL all these livers taking a vacation on a Utd Blog. I really feel sorry for you people.
Anyway I know Liver is a strong team in the cups. Respect on that.
But I’m not jealous, cuz our team has won the league, our goal scoring record is terrific. And of course it is still improving..
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Go cry to ur mommy liverpool fans. And can u guyz tell me how many times Pool has won the premiere league. huh. i cant hear u. i cant hear u. now i get u NONE. from 1990 till now NOTHING. LOL LOL LOL thats same as sheffield Untd
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Liverpool fans always mention that they won the league 18 times and same boring stuff when they are feeling embarassed. That has always been an excuse for them anyway. That’s why they will NEVER win the league again because they live only in the past. NONE of the liverpool players in the current squad have EVER won an EPL title!!! Pure academy players like fowler, mcmanaman, owen, gerrard and whoever is going to come will NEVER EVER win an EPL title…its a pain for all of you guys. that’s why you count your 18 leagues every time you want to cry LOL LOL LOL LOL!!!
SUPER CLUBs are those which show their class on the pitch and do not count on history!!!! Win an EPL league and then talk about super clubs. teams like porto, monaco played a CL final recently. that do not make them a super club. liverpool you WERE a super club, NOT in present and not even in your future dreams!!! your past is soooo distant that i never saw liverpool win a league.. BUT i saw united win it 9 times with a fantastic treble included!!!
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I have had this arguement with so many Liverpool fans before….Ok Liverpool won the league 18 times so how many of their current players have ever won it? all I ever hear is ‘we’ve won it five times’ OK so you did but that’s like me going around saying ‘we won it first and that was ten years after most of the team were killed in a plane crash’ (we probably would have won it that year if that hadn’t happened. Liverpool have never won the premiership and have won the “champions league”(competition’s format changed at some point during the 90s) the same amount of times as United.Liverpool can’t talk about this season in the champions league because they both got knocked out by the same team and Liverpool wouldn’t have won it in 2005 if Milan hadn’t taken their foot off the gas so shockingly and arguably Liverpool wouldn’t have made it to the final if Chelsea were able to give their whole first team a rest the weekend before. Fernando Torres good as he is wont be the saviour Liverpool fans crave and the sooner they all get their heads out of Gerrard’s ass the better.
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My, my!
The anger and hatred!
Liverpool are a big club. But not a super club. Not for the last 17 years.
You can’t be taken seriously if you cannot win the league even once for the last 17 years. Hell, Leeds have done it. So have Blackburn. Surely something must be amiss.
Madrid, Barcelona, Milan (United) have also won the leagues while winning the CL too in that time.
I bet when you guys go on about how this year is going to be *the* year, for many of the past seasons, you mean the EPL title, right?
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I doubt Gaby would entertain signing for Liverpool – not a strong enough club; and he’s been well-treated by Man Utd. It would be a slap in the face to the club and fans to go to Liverpool, and Gaby’s got more class than that. Who would choose Pool when they could go to Barca, RM – or stay at United?
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TO BE A SUPER CLUB YOU HAVE TO BE AT LEAST ONCE CHAMPION OF THE WORLD
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Bla.. bla.. bla… all u scouser scums blabbering of winning more champions league and the league.. bla… bla… bla… watever… 23 years ago liverscums were a great club… let me repeat that again… 23.. two and three.. ok… 2 decades and three years they won the old division 1 title.. And the champions league… the one againts milan was a shock in football.. a nightmare..
But nevermind.. i believe rafa wants to buy heinze not for left back i guess but more as a center back… since liverscum has such lousy pairing of carriger n agger.. he intends 2 bolster up the center backs with someone aggresive.. well hope that doesn’t happen though.. i’ll belive he’ll juz stay till the end of his contract… i believe he will extend his stay at OT..
to end this.. STOP TALKING VERY ARROGANTLY, CHILDISH LIVERPOOL FANS OUT THERE!!!! ITS JUST SO COMMON TO SEE LIVERPOOL FANS ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT THEIR PAST GLORIES JUST TO MAKE THEM LOOK BETTER THAN MAN UTD… VERY CHILDISH!!!
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It is amazing that some of you guys can figure out the premiership is the same as winning titles… It is ONLY a mere change of name… How difficult is this?
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Liverpool is a Cup team…. LOL…. i thought football is about winning Cups… isnt it? we have won 10 of it since 2000…. super clubs are not clubs with champion leagues….
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