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Fergie’s Golden Brown on 25th Anniversary

Danny Welbeck’s deflected header was enough for United to claim all three points against Sunderland but the day belonged to Sir Alex Ferguson.

Old Trafford welcomed Fergie in style today, with a new banner unfolded on the Stretford End listing all the trophies won in the 25 years and the crowd belting out a loud “Every single one of us loves Alex Ferguson”.

Fergie has seen a lot of football in his years at Old Trafford, but rarely it would have been as dull an affair as the first 45 minutes today.

With Rooney again deployed in midfield alongside Fletcher,Park and Nani, United failed to create any decent opportunity until Phil Jones volleyed over the bar just before halftime. Sunderland, on the other hand, didn’t cause Lindegaard any problems either.

United broke the deadlock just before halftime when Wes Brown turned Nani’s corner into his own net after Welbeck had failed to direct the ball towards the goal. It was, perhaps, fitting that a former United player had given them the lead.

United looked to push on after the break, with Nani finding a bit more space on the wing and Rooney spraying the ball around nicely.

Nani was at his frustrating best tonight, alternating good touches with sloppy and lazy ones. It’s interesting how, on a few occasions, he stood still waiting for the ball instead of bombing down the wing. Movement without the ball is crucial particularly when playing against a side like Sunderland that looked happy to sit back and soak the pressure.

Hernandez saw his header cleared of the line by Richardson after 62 minutes, then Rooney and Evra forced two great saves from Westwood.

Sunderland had a penalty appeal turned down when the ref consulted the linesman after Ji Dong-Won had gone down after a challenge from Jones and Ferdinand, but waved play on.

Bendtner should have scored with 10 minutes left, but failed to get on the end of a brilliant cross from Larsson.

United got their win and another clean sheet, the fourth in the last four games, again without showing glimpses of the wonderful football played earlier this season.

United fans could be forgiven for forgetting the performance, on a day when English football paid tribute to the greatest manager of all times.

Stand up if you love Fergie.




  1. godzilla

    5 November 2011 at 21:20

    Is it true Pogba has refused to sign a new deal and could be available on the cheap of other teams?

    • Craig Mc

      6 November 2011 at 01:40

      That’s what the paps are saying, AND nobody inside OT has come out to discredit the report – so who knows mate?

    • Fergie25

      6 November 2011 at 14:39

      Silly boy if it is the case. fergie knows when the kids are ready and is the best in the business at dealing with young talent.

      Mr Pogba you only head in one direction when you leave united and that is down

      • Craig Mc

        6 November 2011 at 15:55

        Problem is that Fergie publically stated that THE REASON he had decided not to buy another MF was because he would be holding back the progress of Pogba – as he was ready to be included in first team squad. Those words appear very hollow as we see they have not been carried through. A lot of Fergie’s words are just thrown out there in the public domain and then nothing fruitful comes of them. For instance that Mickey Owen (before he got injured) and Berbatov were pushing him for places in the team. Yet they were not starters since – just cameo roles. Maybe I jumped the gun on these two though, because he only said this recently. One thing is for sure – the lads he is playing are not getting us the goals we need – that is for sure!

        • Fergie25

          6 November 2011 at 18:42

          The simple fact of the matter is that Pogba is nowhere near ready to be a first team regular yet. If he keeps his head down then his time will undoubtably come.

        • Ian

          6 November 2011 at 19:27

          Got to agree with Fergie25 on that, Pogba’s a classy player but he’s still naive and isn’t dominating his current level of football, when he does, he’ll be considered good enough to be tested at a higher level ie: the first team

          Tunnicliffe’s closer than Pogba.

          Pogba will go out on loan next year – if we sort out this contract issue – which I think we will.

  2. colver

    5 November 2011 at 22:04

    A good defensive performance. Great to see Rio and Vidic at their best again. It is absolutely crucial for our season that we keep at least one of them fit and focused at all times.

    Welbeck and Hernandez were woeful. We need Rooney upfront again asap. Or at least start Berbatov who at least gives us a bit of creativity upfront.

    You’d think the players would want to put on a masterclass to commemorate Fergie’s 25th year celebrations. But unfortunately we are back to grinding out results with fairly disciplined defending and uninspired attacking.

    It seems crazy that our midfield is now totally dependent on Tom Cleverley. That is way too much responsibility for the lad. I’d be much happier if we had signed Nasri or Sneijder to flesh out our attacking options in midfield. We should really have two good players for every position.

    • Ian

      5 November 2011 at 22:12

      We should really have two good players for every position

      We should really have at least 1 in central midfield! ๐Ÿ˜† ๐Ÿ˜†

  3. Daniele

    6 November 2011 at 10:40

    I like Rooney in midfield, as he can spray the ball around nicely but i’d like to see him back up front as we need him there. His best position, in my opinion, is behind Hernandez. I brought this up before after the Galati game, and i repeat it now: if Fergie is prepared to give Rooney games in midfield when Carrick and Anderson are fully fit, that surely means that he’s lost patience with them. Will he go out and buy in January?Inter are having a nightmare of a season, so Sneijder might be easier to get than he was this summer. Also, to all of those on the “We don’t need him as he would stop our youngster’s progress” bandwagon, young players thrive and improve when they train and play day in day out with quality players.

    • Ian

      6 November 2011 at 10:55

      young players thrive and improve when they train and play day in day out with quality players.

      Hoorah! I’ve been making this point for months. The neglect of the position has meant players like Anderson have no chance of getting better because they’re the best we have there.

      Go out, buy the best….the best then teach the rest….simple ๐Ÿ˜€

    • Craig Mc

      6 November 2011 at 16:00

      Mate Carrick only just came back from injury yesterday, and Anderson is injured now – and Fergie said on MUTV thst is why Rooney was asked to do a job in MF – until our MF’s get fit. Anyone know what’s happened to Gibson – Traverse?????

      • Daniele

        7 November 2011 at 09:29

        Yes, Carrick just came back from injury and, yes, Anderson is out but the point i’m trying to get across is a different one. In the interview after the Galati game, Fergie stressed how much he likes Rooney in MF, even if on a temporary basis, as pointed out in the interview you correctly mentioned. But, the fact that is ignoring Gibson (as far as i know he’s fit) and chooses to play Rooney in MF is telling. It’d be interesting to see if he does trust Carrick and Anderson again once they’re back to full fitness but the bottom line is that we need another CM.

  4. ash is the man

    6 November 2011 at 12:41

    man oh man how bad is it that rooney has to play in midfield ๐Ÿ˜ฏ
    Dont get me wrong I think he is fine there but how much of the boys talents do we lose when he isnt in the whole or up top. I really dont beleive our other forward are good enough without wazza beside them. What worries me more is how do we expect to be on the best teams in the world when our only worldclass forward is stuck in midfield…………..??? We are a strange team ๐Ÿ˜›

    • Fergie25

      6 November 2011 at 15:11

      Rooney will be up front again after the international break when we get our injured midfielders back. It is so so terrible we have a player so talented that he can look so comfortable playing out of position at a time when we have injuries and we need some one to step forward and do a job for us.

    • Craig Mc

      6 November 2011 at 16:01

      ๐Ÿ˜† ๐Ÿ˜† ๐Ÿ˜† I agree mate.

  5. Fergie25

    6 November 2011 at 14:36

    Thought I would post this. Sir bobby Charlton on the champions league final in 1999

    1999 Champions League final
    “I remember Lennart Johansson, the president of Uefa, passing me on his way down the stairs as we were losing 1-0. ‘Iโ€™m very sorry, Bobby,’ he said. I replied: ‘Cโ€™est la vie.’ By the time he got to the bottom of the stairs, we were 2-1 up.”

  6. Fergie25

    6 November 2011 at 18:49

    Some Essential viewing if you did not see it 25 years o Fergie on ESPN. Its about 2 and 1/2 hours long :).

    Highlights have to be Incys suit and the story about the stop watch Cathy bought Sir Alex

    Happy Anniversary Sir Alex

  7. RedDevilEddy

    6 November 2011 at 18:50

    I just wonder, what do people actually want from our midfield? I’m not saying I am pleased with what we got, far from it, but people say they want to see us “dominate the midfield. The same people say they want to see Sneijder in there, and anyone who’s ever watched him play will know that he won’t do whit for us dominating that area. So what do people actually want?

    • Owen

      6 November 2011 at 19:52

      So you are still with Anderson as the main midfielder of one of Europe’s top team?

      • RedDevilEddy

        6 November 2011 at 20:09

        If he performs as he did at the start of the season, then yes. If he still plays as if he’s got bricks hanging from his nuts, then I want to see someone be put in.

        Then this isn’t really about Anderson at all, nor about Fletcher, Carrick, Cleverley or Pogba even! People say they want a midfielder who can dominate the pitch, and names like Gรธtze, Sneijder or Modric won’t do that. I’m all for buying a Schweinsteiger, a Hargreaves, or even bring Edgar Davids back from retirement if necesarry! I do want us to sign a midfielder, I just want it to be someone who can improve that area. Sneijder only plays well when deployed with two sitting midfielders behind him, much like Rooney, and Gรธtze reminds me more of Messi than any other midfielder in the world! So lads, what do you actually want?

        • Owen

          6 November 2011 at 20:16

          Mate,even some one like Cabaye is a better option than what we have available.

          Problem comes when Fergie talk about value.He can spend a lot on likes of Bebe but never tried to get Fellaini or even Tiote.

    • Ian

      6 November 2011 at 19:59

      I think you’re right Eddy, we need some intelligent steel.

      Someone with…..

      the workrate of Roy Keane,
      the anticipation and intercepting ability of Carrick,
      the passing of Iniesta,
      ball control of Xavi,
      the drive and determination of Robbo,
      the vision of Zidane
      the influence of Maradona or Di Canio
      and the shooting of Booby Charlton

      I’m just surprised we can’t find him

      • Ian

        6 November 2011 at 20:01

        *Bobby even! LOL


        • Owen

          6 November 2011 at 20:11

          In short,We need Scholsey to come out of retirement.

        • Ian

          6 November 2011 at 20:24

          Yeah but a 26 year old Scholesy, not the 36 year old version ๐Ÿ™

        • RedDevilEddy

          6 November 2011 at 20:28

          That would be jizzmazing!

      • Craig Mc

        6 November 2011 at 20:21

        What your implying Rimmers with that list is that we need a fookin miracle ๐Ÿ˜† .

      • Craig Mc

        6 November 2011 at 20:22

        PS – can’t believe you didn’t mention King Eric Cantona in your list – shame on you Rimmers ๐Ÿ˜€ .

        • Ian

          6 November 2011 at 21:10

          Haha I actually did but criminally exchanged him for Zidane……..why?……because he had all the above and therefore I didn’t know which attribute to best stick him next too!

          *hope this get’s me out of a hole?*

        • Craig Mc

          6 November 2011 at 22:18

          ๐Ÿ˜† ๐Ÿ˜† ๐Ÿ˜† – I’m digging the hole as we speak – but Zidane well yes I can see the hard choice you had between the two of them!

      • RedDevilEddy

        6 November 2011 at 20:26

        Lol Booby! ๐Ÿ˜† Think Gibson has that. ๐Ÿ˜›

        Thing is, if we ever find a midfielder with all those qualities we’ll still want him to be humble and accept given shackles. Playing as a midfielder for Manchester United you will never be allowed to do everything you want, even Keano has admitted he wasn’t allowed to attack as much as he wanted because Fergie wouldn’t allow him. We see the same with Carrick now, we all know what he can do going forward from what we saw in the 2006/07 season, but now he sits in front of the defence and uses his intelligence rather than his vision on the pitch.

        I actually agree with Jay Wire that Carrick should be a shoe-in in our midfield. The lad is intelligent, his passing is practically perfect, and he can do a job both offensivly and defensively. He would be a good partner for Cleverley I am sure, so I’d like to see more of that in the future. But if partnered with another dynamic defensive midfielder, much like what we see Modric and Parker doing for Spurs, I think we would get the best out of him. As a holding midfielder Carrick is one of the best in the world alongside Xabi Alonso, but I want to see more of the attacking Carrick. His pass for Hernandez yesterday just emphasises it, magnificentally weighted and seen.

        But getting a midfielder to partner Carrick will only be a short-term view. He is 30 already, and one midfield spot definately belongs to Cleverley. I’ve not seen to much of Tunnicliffe, but would he be a decent partner? Attacking wise I don’t really see the need for a midfielder because that spot can be taken by Rooney, Young, Giggs, or even Welbeck if times are very, very bad. We see how United are setting up these days, with one static, more holding midfielder, one dynamic, more attacking midfielder(roles can be switched, as seen with Ando-Clev and Ando-Fletch) and the free role of a holding striker usually deployed by Rooney, but which Giggs played in at Anfield. This is the role Sneijder plays in for Inter, Van der Vaart plays in for Spurs, Silva plays for Manchester City, and Kaka used to play for Milan. As said, we don’t need anyone in there. Where we should look for someone is in the defensive departement, but not in the Parker fashion… I’m thinking more Owen Hargreaves or Yaya Toure at Barca. Strong, quick, reads the game well, good organiser, smart, and good tackler. We already have Carrick as the modern-defensive midfielder, and Pogba coming through, so if looking at just now who would be your pick? I can’t really see anyone out there, and to be honest I’m not surprised. Getting a midfielder of this standard is very hard, as they are very rare, but we should expect only the best at United so one of these should be a certainty if you ask me!

        • Moscow is my heaven

          6 November 2011 at 20:46

          When City defended for the most of the 1st half, they didn’t have to put any pressure on our central midfield, and instead doubled up on the flanks. Do you know why? Because we don’t have a David Silva, we don’t have a Modric, nor do we have a Sneijder. The responsibility fell instead on Anderson, who embarassed himself. Rooney is not a midfielder, and I don’t believe that the team benefits when we play him in the hole for a 4-4-1-1. Not only do we need a DM general, but we also need a playmaker, someone with imagination, off the ball movement and incision.

          It’s just a great shame that there is no value in the market for Fergie ๐Ÿ™„ ๐Ÿ™„ ๐Ÿ™„

        • RedDevilEddy

          6 November 2011 at 21:12

          Rooney plays the exact role of David Silva, I doubt even the Spaniard mastermind would manage to find a hole in our defence if we parked the bus like City did in the first half that day…

        • Ian

          6 November 2011 at 21:51

          Tunners is the closest thing to Bryan Robson I’ve seen in years, he’s just not ready yet, but he’s closer than Pogba in my opinion (totally different players but I’m just saying)

        • Daniele

          7 November 2011 at 09:33

          Can’t believe we had Djemba Djemba and Kleberson and we let them go. Talking about past coming back to haunt you ๐Ÿ˜†

  8. ash is the man

    6 November 2011 at 20:24

    There are so many midfielder that we could of got that would be better than what we have here- for one scot parker only 5miliion and his a work horse with a brain. Joey barton was free, arthe only cost around 12million. All of the above are steets ahead of ando, fletch and carrick. Cleverly will be a diamond but squads win leagues and our scot right now is pretty poor in midfield. And fergie is talking true his arse regards value because the above options that I mentioned above are clearly value for money ๐Ÿ™„

  9. RedDevilEddy

    6 November 2011 at 20:39

    I think we missed a trick with Ramsey, he would have been great here! He’s turned into a soft pussy at Arsenal, but what a complete midfielder he could have become. ๐Ÿ™

    I can see Tunnicliffe given a chance, if he’s just half as good as what people say I think he’s just what we need. We don’t really have a “hard-man” in there, and I’m putting the goose-eyes over hard-man as I don’t want us to buy another Gatusso, Cattermole or Alan Smith. Football is becoming a very patient and logical game, and aggressive natures are dissapearing. Strength, patience, and skill on the ball are equally vital for a defensive midfielder these days. Schweinsteiger and Yaya Toure are actually my definitive choices, but I know that will never happen so the only player in that mould I can actually see us buying is Jack Rodwell.

    Decent lad, smart player, strong, good physiqe, good passer, great shot and isn’t afraid to get stuck in when necessary. By all the players I know of he is the only one I think could do a job in there, Fellaini doesn’t have the passing range or agility to do a job for the very best in there, and Tiote is too aggressive. He does a good job at Newcastle because they play very much “old, british” football these days, but put him up against Barca or Bayern Munich and he’ll be sent off within half an hour.

    Or we could just turn the superhuman being which is called Phil Jones into the absolute best midfielder.

    • Owen

      6 November 2011 at 20:55

      “Fellaini doesnโ€™t have the passing range or agility to do a job for the very best in there”

      Then half of the present players must leave United.Any day,Fellaini is a much much better version of Andy/Fletcher.If these two are United Standards,then getting Barton was also not a bad shout.

      • Moscow is my heaven

        6 November 2011 at 21:09

        Fellaini would be the end for Fletcher.

    • Moscow is my heaven

      6 November 2011 at 20:59

      Actually, I think Fellaini is very comfortable on the ball and has a better passing range than Fletcher, Anderson and Gibson combined. Couple that with his interception, powerful physique and aerial dominance, he is like a hybrid of Yaya Toure and De Jong ie. the perfect fit for us.

      • Owen

        6 November 2011 at 21:05

        Exactly.Fellaini is a great player who along Cleverly will provide a great base for likes of Nani and Rooney to attack and attack.

        • Craig Mc

          6 November 2011 at 22:15

          I love Fellain, and Rodwell would be good alongside him too.

  10. Owen

    6 November 2011 at 21:02

    It will interesting to see when Mourinho arrives here as manager.The whole midfield will get changed except Nani.It pains to say that United’s central midfield standard lies in the bottom half of the clubs.

    Again we will be outclassed in the Newcastle game.Rooney may be the difference between a 1-0 win or loss.

    Fergie,it is 25 years .So please spend 25 millions on a class midfield signing.

    • Moscow is my heaven

      6 November 2011 at 21:10

      Hopefully he can bring Xabi Alonso and Nuri Sahin with him. Higuain would be nice as well ๐Ÿ˜ˆ

      • Owen

        6 November 2011 at 21:20

        Ronaldo please…

    • Ian

      6 November 2011 at 21:53



      ๐Ÿ˜ˆ ๐Ÿ˜ˆ ๐Ÿ˜ˆ ๐Ÿ˜ˆ ๐Ÿ˜ˆ

      • Stephen

        7 November 2011 at 12:53

        ๐Ÿ˜† ๐Ÿ˜† ๐Ÿ˜† Totally agree, the man is an A1 female organ..

  11. Moscow is my heaven

    6 November 2011 at 21:08

    Also, if we’re not gonna play Rooney as a striker, let’s get someone who can lead the line without:

    a) Having a poor first touch
    b) Shocking dribbling skills
    c) Sloppy passing
    d) A midget size
    e) Doing fancy flicks which amount to little and not being clinical
    f) Being a crock

    If Hernandez keeps this poor form going for long enough, maybe we should let Real have him for whatever amount of money he is hyped up to be worth. Our strikers are currently very reliant on our wingers for service, and we need a guy who can feed on scraps. Benzema or Higuain would be perfect. Perhaps an added bonus to the arrival of the Special One?

    We really missed a trick by not signing Torres. I have always believed that a Rooney-Torres combination would be the most lethal partnership in the world.

    Yes, although I love Chico, he should not be starting games with the current midfield. The poor service from behind him doesn’t do his strengths any justice.

    • RedDevilEddy

      6 November 2011 at 21:17

      Welbeck is probably, or at least should be our first choice striker these days, how Hernandez starts ahead of him I will never understand!

      As a sub, he may be brilliant, but because he doesn’t have a first touch or can’t pass for his life Chicharito is more effective as a super sub. Welbeck on the other hand is a beast of a striker, Mancunian lad as well so go Danny!

      • Fergie25

        6 November 2011 at 21:20


      • Moscow is my heaven

        6 November 2011 at 22:00

        It’s a good thing that Welbz is now being played as a left winger. Definitely his best position, nice one Fergie ๐Ÿ™„

      • Craig Mc

        6 November 2011 at 22:11

        Errr just remind me how many goals Welbeck has scored for us in PL please? Welbeck hardly ever shoots, and when he is in the box he always looks to pass to somebody else instead of take the shot himself. Away from home he is even less effective – nope Welbeck is not 1st choice for me. Hernanadez is only ineffective because we do not have anybody who is really good from MF etc of giving him the balls that put him thru one on one. As a striker who is found in space he will SCORE more oft than not. Play to his strengths by getting somebody in MF who can make those thru balls that open up defences. If we had to get rid – I would get rid of Welbeck before Chicharito! Welbeck doesn’t have enough presence on the field!

        • Moscow is my heaven

          6 November 2011 at 22:15

          “Hernanadez is only ineffective because we do not have anybody who is really good from MF etc of giving him the balls that put him thru one on one… Play to his strengths by getting somebody in MF who can make those thru balls that open up defences…”

          Craig mi man, you’re on my wavelength. This is exactly what I’ve just said. If we are going to persist with the current midfield and system, then Hernandez would be better of plying his trade elsewhere.

        • Craig Mc

          7 November 2011 at 11:34

          Nah Nah Nah Moscow mate – we can’t get rid of Chicharito – we wouldn’t have won a lot of the games we played last season and this season without the lad – WELL NANI TOO of course to make the assist or cross into the box that leads to goals – just like yesterday ๐Ÿ˜€

      • Stephen

        7 November 2011 at 15:06

        I still really don’t Welbeck. He looks like Paulo Wanchope at times, I hope he devlops but realy should he be our first choice striker?! I love the fact he is local, but he looks sometimes like he does not know what he is going to do next, that must be a nightmare to play with.
        He needs time, but I feel he lacks the quality to make it at United, I hope I am wrong, he certainly rates himself! ๐Ÿ˜€

  12. Yang

    6 November 2011 at 21:12

    Anderson is quite exceptional player if he can up his work rate level. Most of his problem come from lack of enough work and a bit of inexperience. Fergie know this so he stick with Anderson so far but like Brazilian twin he suffer many injuries. Anderson need serious physical training I guess.

    • RedDevilEddy

      6 November 2011 at 21:15

      Mental training as well, the lad is weak in his mind and that shows on the pitch!

    • Owen

      6 November 2011 at 21:17

      Still excuses!!!Mate,he has been at this club for around 5 years now and is still getting playing lessons from Yaya.Experiment time over Fergie.Go and get one.

  13. Owen

    6 November 2011 at 21:19

    Training can make donkey a gud donkey but in no way it can be transformed to horse.Sorry Anderson.Time to go back to Brazil.

  14. ash is the man

    6 November 2011 at 21:20

    Another scary thought comes to mind regarding how poor we currently are in comparison to the ever growing man city- only 3 players of ours would get into their team and they are rooney, nani and vidic. City outclass us everywhere else on the pitch. And it loooks like mancinci is proving to be a top coach.
    You know maybe it is time for the special one to come here next season and go toe to toe with mancini and fergie to retire on his 25th season………………. who knows???? ๐Ÿ˜ฏ

    • Owen

      6 November 2011 at 21:22

      I doubt even Nani will get there.

      • Craig Mc

        6 November 2011 at 22:04

        That must be why Owen Mancini has said City would buy Rooney and Nani if United would release.

  15. Moscow is my heaven

    6 November 2011 at 21:37

    I don’t buy into the theory of Rooney being our ‘David Silva’. Wayne made a name for himself as a fearsome striker, with pace, exotic finishing and work rate across the front line. He doesn’t have exceptional close control, he isn’t known for his killer through balls, he just has some good link-up play and a good dipping cross field pass, which is only really necessary for a quarterback role, which he will/should never play (I’ve noticed this season that opponents now ALWAYS seem to anticipate his predictable cross-field rockets, and we lose the ball before it gets to the winger).

    Rooney will never be that delicate player. It’s just not him. He should have remained as our lone striker after 09/10, and instead of investing in Bebe and more strikers, we should have assembled a dream team (preferably a German midfield) with Rooney as the focal point of our attack ie. leading the line.

    • ash is the man

      6 November 2011 at 21:54

      I totally agree as its insane to label rooney like silva as silva is 4 times the player rooney is as a playmaker, but rooney as a striker is where he plays best and honestly all this moving about cant be good for his development as Im sure he has more to learn and rooney shouldnt be accomodating in postions the team should be built around him as the vocal point

  16. Moscow is my heaven

    6 November 2011 at 21:52

    Barcelona are cracking. Real now have a 3 point lead at the top. It should come as no great surprise if Jose manages to snatch the league away from Barca. He is always unstoppable in his 2nd season at a club, with a settled team and the club playing by his rules.

    I hope that United fans will not even dare question the pedigree of Mourinho as successor to Fergie if he pulls this off.


    • [OPTI]Madschester United

      6 November 2011 at 22:16

      Season only matter once Real Madrid plays Barca. That is the essence of La Liga.

      3 pt leads are useless unless Madrid beats Barca at least once.

      • Craig Mc

        7 November 2011 at 11:39

        Well IF Barca don’t get beaten by other La Liga teams – that also could make a difference. However Barca players become DIVERS EXTRAORDINARE when they play Real M. I hate that in the Barca team. They did it at Arsenal and Chelsea too – to get equalisers when they are losing, and they would have lost to Arsenal in CL IF Bendher hadn’t missed a sitter – that is a fact!

    • Stephen

      7 November 2011 at 12:54

      No one questions his pedigree, we question the man himself.

  17. Craig Mc

    7 November 2011 at 11:47

    Can anybody explain to me why Sir Fergie is saying that United had a poor game against Sunderland because of the celebrations of his 25 years – WHAT! I’m sorry guys, but I am getting fed up of the LAME EXCUSES put forward to explain away our poor performances. I mean we always find something don’t we lads? :roll:. By the way I tortured myself and watched the game again on MUTV, and I actually though the 2nd half wasn’t too bad. Whoever said that you don’t miss stuff when you are watching United games on the terraces – well I have to say you do when the crowd jump up and are moving – and so TV watch does have its gains ๐Ÿ˜† . Watch from the terraces if you can get there, and watch thru again next day on MUTV. Go on torture yourselves ๐Ÿ˜‰ ๐Ÿ˜€

    • Stephen

      7 November 2011 at 13:46

      I totally agree, he is wallpapers over the obvious cracks. If we fail to invest in the midfield in Jan, we may as well accept the fact the we will win nothing. For me the rest of the squad is in good shape, but Rooney in midfield is a square peg in a round hole. Not addressing the most obvious problem was negligent, we could loose Pobga in the summer as he is wanted by Milan and has not signed a contract. Why not just play him? Wiltshere, Fabregas were all blooded as a similar age, he may get a run of games and want to stay.

      • Ian

        7 November 2011 at 14:03

        Yes but remember Steve, Fabregas was training and then playing with fellow CMs called Viera and Gilberto Silva (and Edu to some extent)……..Wilshere was at a club with Fabregas to learn from.

        Who’s Pogba got?

        • Stephen

          7 November 2011 at 14:25

          That is a good and depressing point Ian… ๐Ÿ˜

        • Ian

          7 November 2011 at 15:03

          Very depressing, you’re right.

          Fletcher had Keane and Scholes but never the raw talent (imo) to become great. I accept that he’s effective in certain ways but he’s never going to be a ‘world class’ standard.

          Carrick simply went backwards after he joined us. At Spurs he was productive. He had the best stats in the league for passing accuracy and assists for 2 years at Spurs…….then SAF bastardised him into an interceptor. A waste a very intelligent playewr imo, great vision but he’s been blinkered/harnessed/held back… it what you want.

          Anderson……well, was he ever at training when Scholes was in? Obviously not. But saying that…..he wasn’t a CM when we bought him was he? Another player SAF has tried to build into something he wasn’t/isn’t/won’t ever be.

          Gibson. Nowehere near as bad as people are making out but not had the players around him to learn from. People might point to Scholes but totally different players, he needed a Keane to learn from.

          Get Phil Jones in there for me. Fook it, he looks capable of learning the game inside out on his own just from playing first team games.

          It’s a joke how SAFs let it come to this.

        • Stephen

          7 November 2011 at 16:00

          I would still give Pogba a go, I am fed up with square pegs in round holes.
          Gibson does get too much bad press, he has a great shot and has the same mobility as Carrick. Jones could sit in front of the back four, but we are United we should expect better. A midfeid two of a striker and a centre half “doing a job” as Redknapp would say is a best embarrassing.
          Anderson for me is useless, his fanbase have gone a quiet again and I think we can now put this “he is he good or isn’t he” to bed. Carrick and Fletch are decent but nowhere near World Class and Giggs is a 37 winger playing in midfeid.
          We should have invested in the Summer……………………….

        • Fergie25

          8 November 2011 at 12:08

          yes play him when he aint ready, let ficle “fans” and the press destroy the lad. Lets see his confidence fall through the floor or better yet lets see that body he does’t look like he fits in to get injured so he is never the same again.

          Trust the boss. In 25 years has he not proven he knows what he is doing with kids?

    • Fergie25

      7 November 2011 at 21:37

      Can anybody explain to me why Sir Fergie is saying that United had a poor game against Sunderland because of the celebrations of his 25 years

      All the fuss and the emotion of the day. the fact that players warm up and stand on the pitch for ages while all the presentation and stuff happen is not ideal preparation.

      Remember the Munich game against city?

  18. Craig Mc

    7 November 2011 at 15:36

    I think Phil Jones would eventually make a great MF player – if as you say Rimmers he is moulded. He is def not great as CH – because of his poor heading ability to get the ball away when tall players in the box alongside him. He has no spring to get up there as Vidic has. I think Smalling is the CH and should be played there. Jones’s strength is in his outstanding ability to time almost every tackle on the ground correctly – best interceptor and tackler we have. Surely if persevered with in defensive MF he would be the best interceptor and breaker up of opposition play we have!

    • Ian

      7 November 2011 at 15:40

      He is def not great as CH โ€“ because of his poor heading ability to get the ball away

      ….and doesn’t he seem to go to ground a lot too?! Great when it works and he blocks a shot but when attackers work out they can put him on his arse with a dummy shot they’ll do it all the time.

      Remember when Saha handled the ball in the last few minutes at Everton last week? Jones was on the deck flapping his legs around everywhere trying to clear it and never got near it I don’t think! Comical really.

      He works really hard, and for me that’s exactly what the all the greatest players always have.

    • Ian

      7 November 2011 at 15:41

      Surely if persevered with in defensive MF he would be the best interceptor and breaker up

      Agreed. ๐Ÿ˜€

      • Ian

        7 November 2011 at 15:58

        In fact……was it Yeats the racehorse that Aiden O’Brien said had a unique heart?

        I remember him saying they ran comparison tests on the heart rate after running 2 miles and Yeats’ was half that of the others. He said that explained why he was A. So succesful and B. what made him so different to all the other horses.

        Phil Jones = Yeats!

        That reminds me of the program I saw recently about dissecting animals, anyone else seen any of them? It had some short, tubby vet woman on it who was irritatingly clever! One was a whale, I think a giraffe was one and most recently I saw the one dissecting a racehorse, it was phenomenal!

        Inside a horse there’s a giant balloon basically, I won’t do it justice if I even tried to explain what I mean and why/how it works……I’ll try to find a torrent for it and pass it on…..a must see I promise you.

  19. Craig Mc

    7 November 2011 at 15:51

    Anybody think that United’s biggest problem besides needing a MF improvement – is that our players have stopped playing one touch football. Pass and move, pass and move, pass and move – instead I have noticed each player holds on to the ball too long, and passes when opposition players have doubled up on intended targets – and the player they pass too is then easily dispossessed. Qicker passing and moving, and one touch football should be the great emphasis of what we focus on in training. That way opposition players don’t have time and space to double up. We used to be so bloody good at one touch, pass and move football – but our players each want to show what they can do on the ball, and make their passes far too late!

    • Ian

      7 November 2011 at 16:11

      It takes hard work and the stamina of a horse to pull it off though, not everyone has Rooneys work ethic. That doesn’t mean to say the team can’t play that way for 20 minutes then take a break and go again.

      But that require’s a leader on the pitch though……that’s another problem I think United have at the moment, a settled captain. The bigger problem there is, there aren’t any candidates good enough for that either! ๐Ÿ™

      • Stephen

        7 November 2011 at 17:17

        I agree about the captaincy, pity Rio’s best days are behind him because for me he would be a shoe in. With Vida now fit, he should play in virtually every game. Evra should never be given the armband, he can hardly look after himself. Maybe it would be worth giving Wazza vice captaincy, he plays week in, week out and it could be the making of him like it was with Ince.

        • Ian

          7 November 2011 at 17:19

          Brilliant post ๐Ÿ˜€

  20. Craig Mc

    7 November 2011 at 15:58

    Keep the fookin ball moving, and not running with it trying to dribble or find a way into the box with the ball – get the message eh? How many times did Welbeck, Park, Evra Jones etc etc, run the fookin length of the pitch, and did shite all when they arrived at the box apart from run in to traffic and move breaks down. Make the ball do the work for you – and Fergie fine every one of them who keeps doing full length runs with no end pass or product. Give them some FISH to eat to improve their football brain power. I know I am right on this ๐Ÿ™„ .

  21. Moscow is my heaven

    7 November 2011 at 18:31

    Happy 33rd Birthday to Rio! Have a great time big man. The end is coming for you though ๐Ÿ™ ๐Ÿ‘ฟ

    • Ian

      7 November 2011 at 18:38

      You shouldn’t say that shit Moscow… know the boys read this! tut tut ๐Ÿ˜€

      • Moscow is my heaven

        7 November 2011 at 19:11

        I’m bad ๐Ÿ˜ˆ

  22. Stephen

    7 November 2011 at 18:42

    Thinking about Rio, he has lost a yard of pace. Would it be worth maybe sticking him in front of the back four? Yes sqaure pegs again, but he reads the game brilliantly, just an idea.

    • Ian

      7 November 2011 at 18:58

      We tried that a few years ago but it never happened again, maybe that answers the question.

      Have you ever seen Rio close up dood? He’s like a f**king machine! Saw him at The Red Cafe Live show thingy when he was on that last year or so.

      • Stephen

        7 November 2011 at 19:43

        I have mate a few times, he is massive mate, quite a nice guy too.

    • Fergie25

      7 November 2011 at 21:31

      He loses a yard of pace so you suggest moving him in to midfield. Please switch your phone on as Barca want to speak to you about replacing Pep

      • Stephen

        8 November 2011 at 10:07

        That funny….. ๐Ÿ™„ ๐Ÿ™„

  23. ash is the man

    7 November 2011 at 19:57

    we need a compelete revamp- our forwards are not good enough and on the wings we only have nani and youg and may i say young is reallly predictable, our midfield is collosal but all looks good at the back. When is fegie gooing to buy a nasri silva aguero type of player? We have all these one dimmensional footballers that arent really effective and regarding our football I just think fergie is past his time and we need mourinho, this 442 with rigid wingers is hust like watching england. MOURINHO we await you
    PS. Thank you fergie for everything up untill now

    • Stephen

      7 November 2011 at 20:51

      Never Mourinho, he is a locust and a scumbag. Great manager but fails to promote youth, doesn’t play with wingers and is a liability, not United, no we don’t wait for that prick.
      Aguero, Silva and Nasri are totally different players you need to quantify that statement, and under Bobby Charlton’s dead body will the Mourinho manage United.

      • Fergie25

        7 November 2011 at 21:28

        They all cry and say Fergie gives us boring football and then call for Jose. Do these people actually watch any football. Is this the blog for blind united supporters

        • Moscow is my heaven

          7 November 2011 at 22:01

          I will love to hear from you when Ferguson recommends Mourinho for the job. Jose is best friends with the gaffer and David Gill is very, very impressed.

        • Ian

          7 November 2011 at 22:54

          I will be deemed surplus to requirements if JM gets the gaffers gig when he retires, there’ll be no point following the academy then.

          *and please no cheap shots about how I’m already surplus to requirements….ya bastards!* ๐Ÿ˜€

        • Fergie25

          8 November 2011 at 12:04

          I think Jose will embrace the tradition and values of united. If you look at his career he has never managed a club with the ethos of united. He was schooled at Barca and respects Fergie and the club he has built.

          i think if Jose got the impression he was going to be at a club long term then he would look at youth more

      • Moscow is my heaven

        7 November 2011 at 21:59

        I’m not too sure about Jose not using wingers mate. He played a narrow formation with Inter, but he played the likes of Joe Cole, Damien Duff, Arjen Robben at Chelsea and of course now he has Ronaldo and Di Maria at Madrid.

        I don’t get this Mourinho hatred, he was the biggest challenge to Ferguson during the Premier League era, he was won two trebles in different countries and is currently in a very good position to trump Barcelona. That’s right, BARCELONA.

        The man is simply unbelievable, his ego alone can take on the pressure of the United job. He is perfect.

      • ash is the man

        7 November 2011 at 23:11

        STEPHEN what i mean by a nasri aguero or silva is players with real class, skill and execution, of course aguero is a forward but regarding the other two they are very good players and a type of player we dont have ie a playmaker that can play anyhwere in midfield or behind the striker or on the wing. ROONEY is probally our best playmaker but silva is schools ahead of him and may I ask you how much better going forward do you think we would be if we had bought nasri???

        • Ian

          7 November 2011 at 23:24

          I’d like to compare Rooney’s stats against Silva’s stats at the end of the season. Assists + Goals I reckon Rooney will come out on top of that little duel.

          Both fantastic players but both completely different. Both offer production/creativity, I’d love to see em in the same team.

        • Fergie25

          8 November 2011 at 11:55

          i think a fair few city player will dip once the hard pitches kick in and bitterly cold mid week games come along.

          The premiership is a marathon not a sprint and we have the trophy, the experience and the manager to see us go the distance

        • Fergie25

          8 November 2011 at 12:01

          Nasri wanted the city cash. I dont think united were willing to break the bank for him after his 1/2 a great season for Arsenal last year. Besides the player showed he was mentally weak by going missing last season when the going got tough at the Emiretes. that probably had a big part to play in united not wanting to break the bank for him

          Lets hope a lot of the city squad start blowing cold when the icey Manchester winter kicks in. Lets see how you like the UK then Sergio when it is dark at 4pm and -5

    • Fergie25

      7 November 2011 at 21:27

      What planet do you live on, read your posts before you hit send mate. You have just said that the squad is rubbish apart from the back 4 and that Fergie should quit and bring Jose in.

      So we are champions (again) reached another champions league final and missed out on the FA cup due to the FA being spastics. So you sugggest replacing most of the team and sacking the manager.

      I predict a 1000 chairman up and down the land queuing up to offer you the job managing their club

      • ash is the man

        7 November 2011 at 23:01

        Really you reccomend me reading my posts? Well considering that I write them I guess I also read them. Yes I think are team is mediocre and the fact is we are being found out so before you go on about us winning the league last year and being second in europe may I remind you for one nobody deserved the league last year and now when we are faced with a real proposition of a tram like city we begin to fall behind. AND in europe we had a generally easy way to the final and once we played a decent team like barca we were hammered in comparison to class. And last season is EXACTLY THAT last season. Its all about progress and we arnt really making any, and soon teams like tottenham who have a great squad will catch us and we will fall into mediocrsy before you know it. AND yes I don think its all about time fergie left as he is still playing one brand football and its horrible and has had many chances to win the euro cup more times and failed and twice to pep guardiola!!! Mourinho is young, hungry and just much more tactically estute then fergie and he would never stand by players like carrick, ando and fletch. EVERY DOG HAS HIS DAY.

        • Fergie25

          8 November 2011 at 11:51

          Fools have been saying that for years and we keep on winning.

          Look at the league tables for this time last year and the year before and take an objective look . Then look at our strategy for an entire season over the last decade and if you are clever enough you might just get it.

          If not go to the mega store and buy some united mugs and key rings or order on line if you are not in Manchester. Uncle Malc needs a new ivory back scratcher

        • Fergie25

          8 November 2011 at 11:53

          Also you get the basics wrong. It aint ITS ALL ABOUT PR OGRESS!!!!!!! (as you say) It is all about winning

    • Craig Mc

      8 November 2011 at 01:30

      Ash – Fergie tried to buy Nasri, Silva AND Yaya Toure – but they all turned us down to be laden down with the City money. So don’t say Fergie didn’t try to get these players – he did mate. He also tried to get Torres the year previous to him going to L’Pool, but he wasn’t ready to come to England. The next season RAFA persuaded him to L’Pool. This is not make believe mate – all 4 of these players said they could have come to United but didn’t. So Fergie tried – Kapisch! Criticise Fergie where criticism is due – but not where he went after the players but they chose other teams FOR THE MONEY. If you want to blame anybody blame those Bastards the Glazers – for stealing most of our transfer money. Though you can blame Fergie for supporting the bastards I’ll give you that one!

      • Fergie25

        8 November 2011 at 11:45

        I agree, apart from the last sentence. It is a joke that you have people with user names like Pissed of red and people moaning and whining about Fergie. The man just gave us number 19 and was close to another treble or another double.

        Spoilt little children that know very little. It shows the ignorance of the posters on this little web site calling for Jose over Fergie.

  24. Daniele

    7 November 2011 at 23:19

    It’s ok lads, we finally got our MF. Shame he’s only 15. ๐Ÿ™„

    • PissedOffRed

      8 November 2011 at 07:00

      If he’s any good.. He’ll break the squad at 16 years old with our current midfield standard.

      • Fergie25

        8 November 2011 at 11:38

        Hi, I just had to ask a question about your name

        Why are you PissedOfRed?

        Is being champions so bad?

        • PissedOffRed

          11 November 2011 at 07:34

          I’m not pissed off with the team.. It’s a nick I use ever since Glazers came onboard. ๐Ÿ˜ˆ

  25. Stephen

    8 November 2011 at 09:56

    People seem to swoon over Mourinho like love struck puppies. United under him, would be awful. People complain about negative football and want Mourinho ๐Ÿ˜ฏ We have a history of producing youth, he simply doesn’t. Oh yes he is also big trouble, he has fallings out with every Country he manages in, he is classless the exact opposite to us, NOT WELCOME.

    • Onkar

      8 November 2011 at 10:45

      I just dont understand this hatred what so ever. And then I am just tired of people saying the same again and again and again. Always this negative footy blah..blah…blah.. But this people dont seem to have any problem with the boring to gut Fergie style footy that we have been subjected over last 2 years and we are still continuing with that. Please get off this bro… I mean seen Real Playing this season alone. Now dont start that I am a one team supporter and all. I know you are and I proudly say that I am as well but then I still watch other footy as well. And to say the least forget about the demolition of Spanish Teams, just see the great one touch fast paced movements of Benzema, Ozil, Higuine, Angel Di Maria and of all CR 07 to understand what he brings to table. I mean, did you see the way RM demolished Lyon. For God’s Sake dont just write for the sake of Arguments, I mean when ever there is Jose debate this whole Negative Footy Things crips up but then people easily forget that When he was with Chelsea in his second year his team not only conceded least Goals but also Scored Most and Most means more than Man UTD as well. That is hardly Boring huh… And please when we win by scrapping points there is always a sense that We won UGLY and that is the sign of Champion that they should be able to win Ugly, But when he does it He is Boring CRAP… When we play Barca and Park the BUS for not only 90 mins but 180 mins and win due to Wonder Strike from Scholes that is Master Mind Plan from Fergie but when He parks the Aeroplane quick counter attacking Footy in first leg and Scoring 3 goals (if I am not wrong) after going down to 10 man (albeit due to typical Barca Antics) he is framed as Anti Football…
      Sorry bro… But then that is just Biased as hell and no objectivity in my view… And as far as Youth goes give one Prominent Name after that giggs and scholes batch broke up… I dont remember one youth player that we have managed to bring to the team who is truly World Class and plz dont give Welback,….

      • AndyCR7

        8 November 2011 at 15:43

        Well said mate. I was once arguing this point and I mentioned Real playing attacking footy under Mourinho. Then I was told that you cannot play negative footy with that bunch even if you want to! ๐Ÿ™„

  26. Jay wire

    8 November 2011 at 10:17

    @Stephen-naturally as Carrick’s vigilante defender, I have to ask this. Is Sergio Busquets a world class player? I ask that, since you have declared that Carrick is nowhere near world class. Any player who can win the champions league and world cup, playing almost of every single game for his team in central midfield, is more than likely a world class player. That’s how people describe Sergio Busquets. So what exactly does Busquets do to showcase his world class abilities? Here’s a definitive list:

    1. He passes the ball with exceptional accuracy(average 86%)
    2. He has excellent positioning skills
    3. Ball recovery and retention skills
    4. Great awareness and technical ability

    Now I’ve watched this guy for a very long time. This is pretty much a comprehensive list of qualities that make him “world class”. No shooting. No scoring. No stepovers. Just passing, getting into position, receiving a pass, recovering the ball and then passing again. No “bite”, no Roy Keane nonsense. But he is widely described as world class. He doesn’t even press. He just sits in front of Pique and Puyol,for 3 quarters of the game, doing those simple things I’ve described. But don’t be fooled. This is the guy that got Yaya Toure out of the team. Yaya Toure, my friend,is a freakin beast of a player.

    So what’s the point? Well really, what exactly does Michael Carrick do that makes him such an inferior player? Here’s, not a definitive, but a role based list(since late 2008)

    1. Exceptional passing and accuracy (average 86%)
    2. Excellent positioning skills
    3. Ball recovery and retention skills
    4. Technical ability and awareness
    5. Excellent vision

    There are plenty of things, Carrick has exhibited, which Busquets can’t do. For instance, from February to May, Carrick dropped the holding role and played an old fashioned CMF role. Almost box to box even. Remember how we defeated Chelsea in the quarters with Carrick in inspired form? Can you really envisage Busquets playing that role at all? Especially with a partner like Giggs who can’t and won’t defend. Impossible. How would Busquets perform at this current United? Carrick has played so many roles in his career at high quality performance levels. Deep lying playmaker, traditional CMF,holding midfielder. Not some jack of all trades performances, but excelling in all these roles. In the holding role, I’d have him at least on par with Busquets. At regista, Pirlo,Alonso, may be better, but they’re on the same platform. He is just an unfortunate player. Why?

    1. He plays for a team with no technical dept
    2. He is a “technical” player, playing in England
    3. He is English
    4. He has “16” on his back

    He’s in a similar situation to Xabi Alonso at Liverpool. Alonso was always world class. He was just playing in the wrong league.

    • Stephen

      8 November 2011 at 10:36

      Very good analysis Jay I must say. Busquets is not World Class, truthfully he is very fortunate to play for Barca, but I am sure his family history has something to do with that one. Alsono for me dictates the tempo of games and Carrick does not. He is unfortunate with the fact he plays in a midfield two, unlike most top European sides who generally play with a midfield three. I know Alonso is a big Carrick fan, yes he does pass the ball but he does rarely attempt anything over 10 yards so his accuracy is always going to be high. Carrick feet do seem to be made of lead, Alonso is more light of foot.
      He for me isn’t World Class and using the fact that he played a role in us winning the Champions League is somewhat tenuous, there have been plenty of players who have won big big trophies like Kleberson who are not World Class.
      I know you are a big Carrick fan and maybe he is the wrong player, playing in the wrong system, in the wrong league, great write up matey.

    • Fergie25

      8 November 2011 at 11:36

      I have said for years it is personality with Carrick. If he had a bit more of a “I am the boss man in united’s midfield” about his personality he would be more of the dominating force we need. Unfortunately he is a very talented, nice, quiet lad. I have been wanting to see Carrick impose him self on games for years now. But he does not and never will as that is not part of his personality. If you could give him a shot of ego and arrogance that would be perfect

  27. Jay wire

    8 November 2011 at 10:27

    But I have to agree with you a million percent on Mourinho. No one likes him and with good reasons. When I’ve got the energy one day, I’ll post “100 reasons why Mourinho should never be remotely associated with United”. To be very honest, I’d rather suffer the depressing football we have now, for many more years, than have Mourinho take over for six months.

    • Stephen

      8 November 2011 at 10:37

      We are in total agreement there, he is so wrong for United in so many ways it is untrue. Simply saying he wins is just lazy, he is anti football and anti United with his antics.

      • Onkar

        8 November 2011 at 11:07

        Yeah… Yeah… Yeah.. His Team Demolishing the Every Opponent is Anti Football and What we at Everton, at Galati, at Sunderland and What we are doing doing for last TWO YEARS is GREAT EXHIBITION of Football isnt it??? WE are playing a Football which is great advert for the Game of Football isnt it????

        I mean please great of this Bro… I have read so many comments after the aforementioned Matched saying Three Imp points we got its all that Matter and all…. Dont you think that is ANTI FOOTBALL… We are actually doing the same things according to you JOse’s Teams SUPPOSEDLY does…

    • Onkar

      8 November 2011 at 10:59

      No matter what 100 reasons you and for that matter any body quote there is only one REASON that will always supersede all the other reasons and that is he is a WINNER and he has the GUTS and CHARACTER that is required to manage this Great Club after the Great Manager SAF retires… And instead of wasting your Energy on giving 100 reasons of not liking him just GIVE me 5 Names who are better than him and can practically Succeed SAF with good amount of Success… Sorry bro.. Fact and BIGGEST FACT in European Footy today remains that YOU can HATE him as you like but you just CAN NOT and I mean CAN NOT IGNORE him.. And secondly there are not many managers in Europe today who can Replace SAF except may be Pep… And for all you like to see Pep will not leave Barca not till this Current lot is playing…

      • Stephen

        8 November 2011 at 11:14

        Yes but he is hardly the genius you say he is. Mourinho may be blessed with the memory of an elephant, but he certainly chooses to use it very selectively.
        Mourinho didnโ€™t win his Champions League trophies just with โ€œhard word, pride, effort and sweatโ€ mate did he? He did received= some favourable refereeing decisions along the way bro lets not forget
        If you remember the 2003-04 edition, his Porto side were on the verge of elimination during their second round tie against us. Ahead 1-0 in the second-leg at Old Trafford, we had a Paul Scholes goal scandalously disallowed for a non-existent offside decision. This meant that a last-minute strike from Costinha, following a shocking goalkeeper error by Tim Howard, put Porto through 3-2 on aggregate. Mourinho didnโ€™t complain, instead he raced down the touchline like the scumbag he is.
        In the 1-0 semi-final victory over Deportivo, he also benefited from outrageous refereeing. In the first-leg in Portugal, which finished 0-0, one of Deporโ€™s star players Jorge Andrade was sent off for playfully kicking at former team-mate Deco. The pair unsuccessfully remonstrated with referee Markus Merk that they were just fooling around, Andrade repeating the words: โ€œHeโ€™s my friend, heโ€˜s my friendโ€. The red card had a huge bearing on the tie. Without their rock in defence, Deportivo lost the return 1-0 at home, and Mourinhoโ€™s Porto proceeded to the final where they beat Monaco 3-0.

        Fast forward six years to Mourinhoโ€™s second Champions League triumph, and once again Interโ€™s success was not as black and white as he’d like us to think. Granted, the Nerazzurri were deserving champions, but they had their rub of the green on the path to glory too. In the second round first leg with Chelsea at San Siro, they would have probably returned to Stamford Bridge with a 2-2 draw had referee Mejuto Gonzalez awarded Chelsea a penalty for a clear last-man trip on Salomon Kalou by Walter Samuel, which could have also potentially resulted in a red card for the Argentine.

        In the classic semi-final win against Guardiolaโ€™s Barcelona, Mourinho has every right to complain about Thiago Mottaโ€™s unjust red card in the second-leg that forced Inter into a heroic rearguard action in Catalonia. But he overlooks Diego Militoโ€™s offside third goal in Milan, which was ultimately the difference between the two sides on paper.
        As for Guardiolaโ€™s supposedly โ€œembarrassingโ€ Champions League successes, the 2009 semi-final second-leg at Stamford Bridge between Chelsea and Barca is in danger of turning into a mythical old wives’ tale with Barcelona as the evil baddie. The truth is that of the five penalty claims that were turned down by referee Tom Henning Ovrebo, only one was a penalty โ€“ the clear handball by Gerard Pique. Dani Alvesโ€™ obstruction on Florent Malouda may have been inside the area, but obstruction is only a penalty offence when really serious, and this was not. The same can be said for Eric Abidalโ€™s slight pull of Didier Drogbaโ€™s shirt before half-time, which preceded a one-second delay before the Ivorian catapulted himself onto the floor like heโ€™d caught the plague.

        In the episode involving Drogba and Yaya Toure on 56 minutes, both were wrestling each other, and even if Koloโ€™s younger brother did draw back the Chelsea hitman, it was well outside the area. Finally, regarding Michael Ballackโ€™s last-gasp appeal against Samuel Etoโ€™o, the Cameroonian may have had his arm higher than usual, but it was clearly ball-to-hand (the very top of his arm and back), while he also had his back turned. FIFAโ€™s โ€˜Laws of the Gameโ€™ at the time were crystal clear on this.

        It is amusing that Mourinho conveniently overlooked the fact that Abidal was wrongly red-carded on 65 minutes for a โ€˜professional foulโ€™ when Anelka had tripped over his own feet. This forced Barcelona to chase the last 25 minutes of the game with just 10 men. As a result the space opened up for Chelsea on the counter-attack, and it was only after this dismissal that the stonewall Pique penalty incident occurred. It is also peculiar how Mourinho discarded the performance of referee Wolfgang Stark (Yes, the same WOLFGANG STARK from Real Madid vs. Barcelona) in the first-leg at Camp Nou. During that game, Stark waved away an excellent Thierry Henry penalty shout, failed to send off Ballack, and also harshly booked Carles Puyol, forcing Barcelona to start a left-back at centre-back, and a centre midfielder at left-back in the second-leg.

        The semi-final comparison to be drawn between Chelsea 2009 and Real Madrid 2011 is that both teams played anti-football against Barcelona. While Mourinho got his tactics spot on in the first two Clasicos of April, and Real Madrid picked their moments to attack Barca, in Clasico III the Special One was far too negative and brought the problems on himself. Pepeโ€™s red card was undoubtedly harsh, but once again Mourinho ignores the fact that his naturalised countryman should have been sent off during the Copa del Rey final a week earlier. The big decisions in Valencia went the way of the Blancos.

        Mourinho must realise that, despite his own large ego, he cannot win every single trophy every year. That is an impossibility and he needs to accept his rare defeats with grace. To attempt to downgrade the achievements of a Barcelona side who are probably the most exciting club XI we have ever seen – and on their way to challenging the best there ever was is truly dishonourable. To be unable to support his wild theories with facts is hypocritical and slanderous.

        • Onkar

          8 November 2011 at 12:30

          I respect what all you said… But then getting Referring calls in favour or not is part and parcel of the GAME. I mean every one knows how many calls barca gets from referees and how many times they make referees fall into there trap of whining diving crying like babies but then in end of the day what we all remember is they are the Champions of Europe and in the its all that matters… So if Barca after getting not few but many calls in there favour are worthy Champions then Jose’s Teams are also Worthy champions as well…
          And just for the records same thing is even said about us that we managed to win so many trophies because we always got calls in our favour specially at OT. Now does that mean we are not worthy of all those TROPHIES??? Of Course we are… So I dont thing its Jose’s lookout that some times he got calls in his favour just like Pep who normally manage to get Calls in his favour as well…

        • Stephen

          8 November 2011 at 12:54

          I know you are a fan of the man, but for me his behaviour is a disgrace. The way they played against Barca was awful to watch, if you can’t beat them kick and poke one of the coaches in the eye.

        • AndyCR7

          8 November 2011 at 15:51

          That’s what we did to Arsenal’s Invincibles and that’s how we beat them.

        • Stephen

          8 November 2011 at 15:59

          Really?! I don’t think so, we were physical no more, Real we out to hurt Barca and that is cowardice..

        • Moscow is my heaven

          8 November 2011 at 13:10

          Yeah, because we didn’t get any luck with our 2 Champions League victories under Fergie ๐Ÿ™„

        • Stephen

          8 November 2011 at 13:15

          That was not the argument, sometmimes mate I think you support Real more than us……

        • Moscow is my heaven

          8 November 2011 at 13:25

          Sorry, your points are valid and I respect you for standing by your opposition to Mourinho. I hate Real. I love Mourinho. Inter’s victory over Barca was to a certain extent a reprieve for my football enterainment in the 09/10 season. The conquest of Barca was engineered by perhaps the greatest tactical masterclass of all time. It really was something to behold mate, and for you to be talking about referee decisions while defending Barca just got to me mate. Sorry. I understand how you think about him though. If he arrives at United, I assure you that you will start thinking differently.

        • Stephen

          8 November 2011 at 13:28

          I assure you mate I won’t, I was obviously joking bout the Real thing! I will never warm to the man as he is everything a hate about modern football.

        • Stephen

          8 November 2011 at 13:32

          I disagree, they won because Barca had a perfectly good goal disallowed….

    • Fergie25

      8 November 2011 at 11:31

      Nobody likes Jose, very true. No one like Fergie. Come to think of it, people do not like winners unless they are winning for you.

      I am sure united supporters would like Jose if he came and won us a european cup or 2

      • Onkar

        8 November 2011 at 12:21

        100% Agreed bro… I mean, as I said earlier there are 100 reasons to hate him, I agree but then he is and WILL be a WINNER…. Having said that we can say the same things about SAF isnt it???

        • Fergie25

          8 November 2011 at 16:09

          true that.

  28. Moscow is my heaven

    8 November 2011 at 13:18

    Stephen, I understand what you hate about Jose. The thing is, the very things you hate about him endear me to him. It’s like what Fergie25 said, you will love him when he arrives at the club and starts winning for US. Everyone hates Fergie apart from us, who worship him, rightfully, as a managerial god. It’s the same with Mourinho. I have an Italian friend who is a die-hard Inter fan and he tells me that Jose was adored and his departure was a bereavement for the club’s supporters. Same with a lot of Chelsea fans. He has that effect on people, and it makes him very special.

    • Stephen

      8 November 2011 at 13:27

      Agree mate, I have his arrogant leering, I personally find him repulsive. We will never agree on this as what you like about him, yes he wins but ugly and at all costs. If he ever took over, how long would it be for? He will win, drag our name through the mud and leave..

      • Moscow is my heaven

        8 November 2011 at 13:50

        I know Jose football is horrible to watch, I mean just this weekend our glorious 1-0 own goal win was in stark contrast to the boring 7-1 victory at the Bernabeu ๐Ÿ˜†

        Who will he leave us for where he hasn’t been before? Bundesliga? Ligue 1? Please mate, we all know that Old Trafford would be the pinnacle of his career and he will want to create a dynasty here just like Fergie. His ego would almost explode, trust me that if he arrives, he will stay for a long time.

        • Stephen

          8 November 2011 at 14:02

          He will leave for the highest bidder, probably City. La Liga is a two team league like Scotland, I love my club have invested time and money and would hate to see that scumbag in our dugout. Every club he has been at he has left a vile smell, he is dragging Real through the mud, but hey they deserve it.

        • Moscow is my heaven

          8 November 2011 at 14:12

          Now, if Mourinho joins Citeh after Real, then I will lose all respect for him. He will cease to exist mate.

          I can’t see him leaving us for anywhere else, let alone the Wastelands.

        • Stephen

          8 November 2011 at 14:14

          I think you love for the man blinds you from the fact that he is very money driven, like 90% of people involved with football. If Mancini leaves City, Mourinho wins La Liga and the Champions League he will manage City, it is obvious mate. Fergie may stay for another 5 years, Mancini under the current regime with leave at some point, he is a shoe in.

        • Fergie25

          8 November 2011 at 16:08

          true that

      • Ian

        8 November 2011 at 15:45

        Agree Steve.

        If you gave Mourinho the gig you get – 3yrs, a few trophies, public shenanigans and a goodbye. Legacy = an aging team with no improvements to youth development
        If you gave Ole Gunnar the gig you get – potentially 20yrs, potentially many trophies, privacy and no circus. Legacy = the continuation of our improving academy.

        Although I respect JM for his amazing talents Re: football, languages, media management etc, there’s no choice for me I’m afraid…..I’d give it Ole aaaaall day.

        • Stephen

          8 November 2011 at 16:01

          Ole or Blanc, no one vcan deny Mourinho is a great manager but he simply is not welcome in Salford.

        • Fergie25

          8 November 2011 at 16:21

          no one is welcome in Salford shopping city

        • Fergie25

          8 November 2011 at 16:07

          Who ever you give the gig to is picking up a poison challis. Sit in the seat of the most successful ever. You need the character of Jose to handle that and if a man comes in keeps the ship steady wins some silverware while an Ole or a blanc gets more experience then so be it. It seems like an intelligent plan to me.

          Football supporters are to emotionally involved to make intelligent decisions, thank fuk we have fergie and gill

  29. ash is the man

    8 November 2011 at 15:17

    How is it possible that peolpe can ever doubt mourinho? Did ye not see what he had done with chelsea, inter and now madrid? Chelsea have been falling since he left and now look at inter. I have to stress fergie is due all the respect in the world and is a fantastic manager, however I must stress he is not the future so we obviously have to think about a new manager and I put it to you guys to offer up any other canditates that offer more than mourinho.!!!!

    @FERGIE25- regarding your comment about me going to a mega store to buy some mugs etc I would just like to say you obviously lack class, and highly naive as in saying we keep winning so whats the problem, well as I stated already we are facing a challenge we have not faced in a long time and we are not making much progress and we will eventually be caught and end up like liverpool- this is possible! AND a fact is we are playing rubbish and its my fight to expect better especially when fergie continuously harpers on about us being the best football club in the world- WELL WE DONT PLAY LIKE IT!!!

    • Fergie25

      8 November 2011 at 16:02

      You have not watched many of mourinho’s teams play football have you?

      Why do you think that we are suddenly a bad team with bad management because we have ground a few results out after a massive defeat?

      If you dont want to buy mugs from the megastore they have plenty of season review DVD’s perhaps you should review previous seasons over the last 20 years and realise we often grind results out

      • Stephen

        8 November 2011 at 16:20

        Yes, but remember, in many peoples eyes Mourinho is young and cool and Fergie hasn’t got a clue anymore.
        We have never been out of the top three since the Premiership began, won countless other trophies, created a culture which other fans are simply jealous of.
        Mourinho has soiled the reputation of every club he has been at, forced a referee to retire with his lies, poked another coach in the eye, because he lost…….. He is an embarrassment to football and himself he needs to grow up.

        • Fergie25

          8 November 2011 at 16:32

          I thing Jose is a bit of a dick, but a successful one. I think he is one of the few people that would not be phased by taking over from the boss. how ever much i dislike him, I would take him for a few years to steady the ship. I dont think an ex player should take over from the boss straight away as they all look up to fergie too much to be their own man in the job

          just my opinion

        • Stephen

          8 November 2011 at 16:36

          The issue is that more than likely Fergie will remain at the club in some capacity, probably the dreaded Director of Football role…

        • Fergie25

          8 November 2011 at 17:03

          He has said he will not do that on more than one occasion

        • Stephen

          8 November 2011 at 17:19

          Believe it when I see it…

        • Craig Mc

          8 November 2011 at 19:26

          Fergie25 says – “He thinks Mourinho is a bit of a dick” – WELL IT TAKES ONE TO KNOW ONE EH? You must be looking at yourself!

        • Fergie25

          8 November 2011 at 21:41

          WOW how many hours of thought went in to that one. hang on dont tell me erm 3 and a 1/2 was it

  30. AndyCR7

    8 November 2011 at 16:02

    You have no balls. You shit yourself when facing Mourinho!

    -Zlatan Ibrahimovich to Pep ๐Ÿ˜‰

    • Stephen

      8 November 2011 at 16:07

      That is somewhat cringe worthy…….. ๐Ÿ˜

      • Fergie25

        8 November 2011 at 16:19

        this entire thread is cringe worthy

  31. Fergie25

    8 November 2011 at 16:17

    This thread is cringe worthy. While most other reds are celebrating Fergie spending 25 years at our club. While most other reds are celebrating his achievements over the past 25 years. While we are champions of England. The people here are saying he should go and be replaced by mourinho as some supporters have been bored watching us play over the last few weeks,

    The blog owner has not even posted an article celebrating the man or his achievements. No thread on us naming a stand and giving the guy a statue, while he lives large and manages our club.

    A disgrace a fukin disgrace and disrespectful to say the least .

    • Ian

      8 November 2011 at 16:20

      The offer’s there to write such a thread if you want…..accept it?

    • ash is the man

      8 November 2011 at 17:09

      @fergie25 Go and write your opinions eleswhere and debate with obviously superior peers ๐Ÿ™„ as this blog is clearly not up to your standards!!!!

      • Craig Mc

        8 November 2011 at 19:22

        Couldn’t agree with you more Ash mi man!

    • AndyCR7

      8 November 2011 at 17:22

      Most are saying they want Mourinho to replace fergie once fergie retires!
      I don’t want see any other manager achieving what fergie has with this lot.

      • AndyCR7

        8 November 2011 at 18:49

        I don’t see*

    • Craig Mc

      8 November 2011 at 19:21

      Get a feckin grip why don’t you Fergie25. Nobody is saying Fergie should go – AS IF? What folk are saying is that WHEN THE GREAT MAN LEAVES who they would or wouldn’t like to come in after him. So just stop trying to stir up trouble, as you have done nothing else since you started posting here. If you don’t like the articles on here, WTF don’t you go and talk to the said United fans on other forums whom you seem to like so much – nobody is handcuffing you to this site. I am fed up of your whining and complaining about every little thing and everyone elses comments but your own. Just take off why don’t you and go discuss the articles you say you want to discuss on the other United forums you so delight in. You won’t though because you fookin love this place. There I said it – sorry Rimmers but it needed to be said mate – if you want to reprimand me about it – fair do’s, but I am sick of this guys complaints – end of!

      • ash is the man

        8 November 2011 at 19:23

        amen to Craig ๐Ÿ™‚ you have my support…………..

      • Ian

        8 November 2011 at 20:29

        Everyone’s entitled to an opinion…..even when they’re wrong.

        I presume you’re not accepting my offer to write a piece about SAFs 25 years at the club then @Fergie25? I’m serious, let me know.

        • Fergie25

          8 November 2011 at 21:38

          not much of a writer and have little time but will have a go

        • Ian

          8 November 2011 at 22:22

          Not so fast then……..I’ve noted your complaint about the lack of content marking the occasion and I think you’re dead right. Sooooo, I’ve asked around and there might be one on its way, so I wouldn’t want you to waste your time needlessly. Cheers though.

        • Fergie25

          9 November 2011 at 11:39

          Thats cool man, when i started reading this blog many years back, it had a good mix of opinion and an interesting twist on much of the shit that is printed in the media about the club. That is what I liked about the blog.

          I am not being confrontational but it seems the blog lost its direction. To many match reports from people not at the game. The crazy shit that Gogglesnard was writing of late was the top hat for me and took me from a reader to a “are you serious” poster. So I suppose his crack pot opinion did a job. If he was a fiction of a marketing campaigne then genious I take my hat of to you.

          So much happens at united theese days of the pitch. It is a soap opera, well more of a Greek tragedy meaning Manchester remains an almost city.

          George Best (Almost)
          Stone Roses )Almost)
          Manchester United )Almost)

          I hope you get my drift man

        • Craig Mc

          9 November 2011 at 12:54

          Grognard would eat you for breakfast where being truly informed is concerned! He may not have expressed himself rightly in that article, but he has not been wrong about his assessment on many things United and going on with the club. You should read back on a lot of Grog’s post comments – his intelligent debating and deep knowledge of football and Man Utd is 2nd to none. If you read back his exposition comments perhaps it might enlighten you – before you start ripping apart somebody who knows so much more than you. FACT!

        • Fergie25

          9 November 2011 at 13:35

          You show your self up by shouting FACT at the end of your post.

          Posting under a previous name I did eat Gobnard for breakfast so much so he spat his dummy and said he would never post on this forum again.

          Now that is a fact

          It is little surprise GobTards band of merry followers dislike me. Do I care, no

          Thanks for your comments

        • Craig Mc

          9 November 2011 at 13:38

          Must be hell living with all THAT HATRED to Grog – your sad mate!

        • Stephen

          9 November 2011 at 13:39

          If he ate him for breakfast, why has he changed his name? ๐Ÿ˜‰

        • Fergie25

          9 November 2011 at 15:11

          Changed name as Grog cried and cried to admin , so admin banned me for nicely taking the old man to pieces.

        • Ian

          9 November 2011 at 19:58

          So I cleverly let admin know…..and they banned me again.

          RedTan is my guess. Bye anyway.

        • Fergie25

          9 November 2011 at 15:12

          What hatred, I had a debate with the old timer. Why use block caps did your nose hit caps lock again

        • RedDevilEddy

          9 November 2011 at 19:56

          Oh my God this comment is soo small !

        • Ian

          9 November 2011 at 19:55

          Don’t let me find out you’re RedTan fergie, you’ll go.

      • Fergie25

        8 November 2011 at 21:53

        I am sorry I made an assumption. As many were saying we have a shit squad and play like shit and Fergie this and Fergie that. I thought the same people saying that and talking about Jose wanted the change to be made. My apologies. It was just the impression made by posters that I responded to

        • Ian

          8 November 2011 at 22:20

          Fair play, you’ve got to respect the climb down. Great attitude – Yes? No? Surely we like this here?

        • Craig Mc

          8 November 2011 at 22:43

          I agree Ian!

        • Craig Mc

          8 November 2011 at 22:42

          Apology accepted – now hopefully we can all move on, and continue to post our comments and thoughts about all things United, without the namecalling that the blog and bloggers here are disgusting. The opposite is true mate.

        • Fergie25

          9 November 2011 at 11:27

          I stand by what I said, if it does not apply to you then great. But this blog does have a good handfull of disrespectful ill informed supporters that need educating. But that is my opinion and that may differ from yours and your opinion may differ from the next guy. There is no right and wrong. Untill we get to the point of name calling and being offensive. Then it is wrong, Its just opinion, that is all it is

        • Craig Mc

          9 November 2011 at 12:45

          Errrr you did GET TO THE POINT OF NAMECALLING – both this blog, its articles, its threads, and the bloggers here. Calling all disgusting – are you not being disrespectful and ill-informed eh? Makes me wonder what you are doing here – like a good few of us have said before. Anyway – I will just avoid anything you seek to contribute to the board, because for someone who wants to continually put a positive throw on things – you always end up being very negative about this blog and many bloggers on here. So again I ask JUST WHY ARE YOU HERE AT ALL? Don’t you have friends on all those other wonderful Man Utd blogs that you supposedly champion? Why aren’t you off discussing with them. The mind boggles that somebody like yourself who continually whines about this site and its writers/bloggers etc being disgusting and ill informed – what it is that keeps you so frequently coming here. None of your post are as enlightening as you seem to think they are. As a good few of the regulars have said to you – the other United sites are there for such disenchanted folk as yourself ๐Ÿ™„

        • Stephen

          9 November 2011 at 12:54

          Very well put bro.

        • Craig Mc

          9 November 2011 at 13:07

          ๐Ÿ˜† ๐Ÿ˜† ๐Ÿ˜† – you got MY drift then Stephen mi man? ๐Ÿ˜‰ .

          What will you be up too this next boring 2 weeks – where we suffer all our players away for BORING – money grabbing international friendlies? It will be down the pub for me with likeminded Red fans – to get the banter that relieves the boredom. Tell me you will be down at your local pub haunt doing the same ๐Ÿ˜†

        • RedDevilEddy

          9 November 2011 at 13:13

          Mate, join us in the Left-back thread! ๐Ÿ˜€ Needing some of your spice in there.

        • Stephen

          9 November 2011 at 13:38

          Oh yes mate, business is slowing down after a busy year mate, booze all the way ๐Ÿ˜€ ๐Ÿ˜†

        • Craig Mc

          9 November 2011 at 13:47

          ๐Ÿ˜† ๐Ÿ˜† ๐Ÿ˜† – I just knew the boozer and your friends would be calling you to crazy gang get together during international break!

        • Fergie25

          9 November 2011 at 13:28

          I know who you are now, we have met before. You are that geezer that can start an argument in an empty room. Well done keep up the good work

        • Craig Mc

          9 November 2011 at 13:35

          Well there must be a lot of those geezers on red rants, because most feel the same way about you!

          Rimmers – its ok, I will steer clear of this guy, he aint got nothing I want to hear anyway – and I don’t want to add to any making of this blog MOROSE. Tootle pip Fergie25.

        • Stephen

          9 November 2011 at 15:50

          What was your old name?

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