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He Goes By The Name of Wayne Rooney

Be it a movie, an album or a new player, long awaited debuts often turn out to be not as good as expected, leaving fans with a bittersweet taste in their mouths and a feeling of “It was good but not as good as I thought,” in their minds. At times though, debuts are stunning, breath-taking affairs that exceed the wildest expectations.

Old Trafford, 28th September 2004, Manchester United face Fenerbache in the Champions League, one name and one name only is on everybody’s lips before the game…….Wayne Rooney.

7 years and 158 goals on, the same name is being chanted around Old Trafford week after week.

United in 2004 were a team in transition, a young Portuguese, wonderfully talented, had replaced Beckham, but he was far from being the finished article while Van Nistelrooy, Alan Smith and Saha battled for two spots up front. United had just won the FA Cup, but with Arsenal Invincibles and the advent of Mourinho, the future looked rather bleak for what was a frankly slightly mediocre side.

Rooney’s signature was seen as a breath of fresh air and, following his stunning hat-trick debut (a feat not achieved by many United legends), he finished his first season at United claiming the PFA Young Footballer of the Year award, but tasted defeat as United lost against Arsenal in one of the most one-sided FA Cup finals ever.

Acclaimed as England’s best footballer since Gazza, and burdened with a reputation of being a bully on (and some say off) the pitch, Rooney has never been shy of controversy during his career and after being sent off against Portugal as England crashed out of the 2006 World Cup, the media were quick to write off United’s chances in the following season, due to an alleged riff between Rooney and Ronaldo who was, apparently, responsible for getting his club team-mate sent off.

The response is well known as Rooney and Ronaldo, both finally matured as players, clicked as United stormed to a first title in three years, playing exhilarating football throughout the 2006-07 campaign, which was followed by a league and Champions League double in 2008 and by another title in 2009.

With the departure of Ronaldo, Rooney almost single handedly carried United to within a whisker of a fourth consecutive league title in 2010, before injuring his ankle against Bayern Munich in what proved to be a crucial point of United’s season, as without their talismanic striker they faltered and lost their crown to Chelsea.

Rooney’s life has been turbulent at times, with alleged visits to brothel and claims of infidelity towards his wife but, even by his standards, October 2010 was an explosive matter. Out with an ankle injury, he publicly stated his desire to leave the club as he felt it was “lacking ambition” sparking a furious reaction by a number of fans accusing him – and probably rightly so – of being nothing more than a mercenary, of having betrayed the club and, most of all, Fergie, while others considered Rooney’s outburst as the only way to force the Glazers to show their willing to economically back up the club in the transfer market.

Whatever the reasons, it’s hard to forget the look on Sir Alex’ face, a broken man announcing that “the boy wants out, and we can’t understand why. We can’t believe it.”

United fans are, we all know it, a quite unforgiving bunch and Rooney’s return to the team was welcomed with jeers and boos by some sections of the Old Trafford faithful particularly because Rooney’s form was so poor compared to the previous season that he looked like to be the one lacking ambition.

Most, if not all, of his problems were forgotten after his wonder goal against City last year. With the score level at 1-1, Rooney produced an incredible bicycle kick to win the derby and send Old Trafford into pure bedlam. Wazza has scored some unforgettable goals (against Newcastle in 2005, Middlesbrough in the FA Cup 2006, Bolton in 2007, the list is endless) but this goal stands head and shoulders above the rest, for the quality and the importance as well as for the circumstances that surrounded it.

A hat trick against West Ham, with United trailing 2-0 and a title-sealing penalty at Ewood Park, as well as a goal in the Champions League final went some way to completely restore his reputation.

Hate him or love him, Wayne Rooney is definitely United’s best player and, while the word legend might make some fans cringe after last year’s fiasco, he’ll probably be remembered as one of the greatest United players. In terms of talent, he’s already up there with the best.

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  1. RedDevilEddy

    22 November 2011 at 00:22

    Wayne Rooney is a really, really gifted footballer. He may not be appreciated as much as Messi, Ronaldo, or even Xavi, but if you are to form a complete team Wayne Rooney would be in there. He is not the type to ghost past defenders, perform the most breathtaking skills to leave opponents for dead, and whilst he may not have the swagger of Eric Cantona, he is the type of player, the type of person, who will make any team better.

    You can partner anyone with Rooney, whether it be a selfish goalscoring genious like Ruud, a playmaking striker like Welbeck or Saha, or a “stretcher” like Michael Owen and Chicharito, he will always perform. During the early stages of his career, the obvious flaw you would use to describe Rooney was his selflessness. If he had the opportunity to shoot or pass, he would pass, but during the summer of 2009 Fergie seemed to turn his head and he become a goalscoring genious who scored 34 goals. He’s not really lost that will to get team-mates into the game, but his knack of getting a goal himself has majorly improved. These days he plays the United type “centre forward” role, which he performed so brilliantly in 2005/06 becoming the PFA Young Player of the year. He’s not exactly got the finess or vision which David Sila or Juan Mata has, but his passing range and shooting ability combined with his determination of helping out at all costs makes him one of the best players in that position. If you asked one of the so called “experts”, they would call this role the one which is often deployed by an attacking midfielder. Truth is, I see Wayne spend much more time in United’s half that any other attacking midfielder does! And this will to do his all for the team, do everything everywhere for everyone, makes him the kind of player you won’t find anywhere in the world.

    If you ask anyone what word they would use to describe Wazza, it would be “determination”. You don’t often use that word to desribe an attacker, rather a defensive player in the backline or in midfield. Wazza will always stand out, and despite losing a lot of my love and respect with that “ambition” talk, I will never lose my apprectiation for him.

    Simply, Wayne Rooney.

    • Moscow is my heaven

      22 November 2011 at 00:43

      He is a STRIKER first and foremost Eddy, and nothing will change that. Being an attacking midfielder requires artistic finesse and a maturity in dribbling, touch, weight and shape of the pass that Wayne does not possess. He made his name in this game as a storm trooper, with his pace, aggression and clinical finishing, the very antithesis of a playmaker. His current role means nothing more than the fact that our midfield is embarassingly lacking in ideas, solidity and quality, and as he’s just doing a job as an emergency midfielder. His passing is decent but nothing to write home about. His favourite cross-field Stevie G type pass (which was effective last season) has unfortunately been found out, as teams have learned to double up on our flanks. I see in him a player who has suffered due to his enormous versatility and work rate, and has been experimented with far too often in different positions.

      We should have kept him as our lone striker after the 09/10 season, and instead of spunking money on strikers and Bebe (he does not merit a position on the football pitch), we should have invested in a world class midfield who would one day gel to challenge the mighty Barcelona. Fergie didn’t. He put blind faith in your golden boy, and it has backfired.

      Rooney could have been central to a dream team, with a German midfield behind him and our array of dazzling wingers pressing and harassing opponents everywhere on the pitch, attacking and threatening from everywhere.

      Rooney is our greatest strength, yet he is also our greatest weakness. Ferguson insists on finding the perfect strike partner for Rooney, and his presence means we can never play anything other than a 4-4-2. We have seen the cost of not moving with the times, as City’s modern 4-2-3-1 formation made a mockery of our midfield, strike force, and even closed shut our flanks.

      Hopefully The Special One will address this glaring tactical flaw when he arrives, and assemble a side who will sweep all before them, with midfielders worthy of playing on the sacred pitch of Old Trafford.

      • RedDevilEddy

        22 November 2011 at 01:33

        City’s 4-2-3-1 formation made a mockery of our team? Rather their 6-2-1-1 formation, City had a perfect Italian performance that day and had our defence not totally lost their head it would have been nothing worse than 3-1, which is acceptable playing what is one of the strongest teams in the League with 10 men for more than a half remaining.

        As for Rooney and his position, although he was a goalscoring beast in 2009/10 I never really saw the fire in him that season. Not only didn’t he score a single goal from outside the area, but he didn’t contribute to a lot of our play either! Both Fergie and Wayne himself have admitted that he felt very isolated playing as a lone frontman, and the position in which he plays now will always be the one he cherishes the most. He is not Kaka, not Øzil, not Silva nor Mata, he is Wayne Rooney. And what we play now isn’t a 4-4-2, it’s a much more fluid 4-4-1-1 which looks an awful lot like 4-2-3-1. I’ll admit our midfield is very weak, and need major improvements, but I see that in Cleverley. If Carrick can keep up with the form he has shown so far this season I’d be delighted with that option! I hope we sign Rodwell next summer as well, and if Ando can regain his early-season form I don’t see anybody stopping us!

        As for Wazza not having the silky skills or finesse to play that role for us, I somewhat agree. Wayne will never be the perfect attacking midfielder/centre forward in may people’s eyes. In a world where players like Zidane, Øzil, Kaka, Gøtze and Silva excel and relish their surroundings, those are the people us fans drool over. Their finesse, their arrogance, their pure brilliance. You want those kind of players in your team. Growing up I always loved watching Zidane, who in my eyes is the best player to have ever graced the game. But all I can say is that we’ve never really had those types of players. Charlton, Cantona, Scholes, Sheringham have all played in that position, but they are different types of players as to what we see these days. And as long as we stick to our history, trying to keep the Manchester United philosophy, we won’t see them here. To some extent it saddens me, but it’s also something I really love about this club. We stick to our traditions, and play the Manchester United way.

        Just hope we will regain that free-flowing game sooner rather than later, it’s kinda painful to watch us play these days! 😆 😆

        • Moscow is my heaven

          22 November 2011 at 02:00

          United vs City: The midfield battle

          Yaya Toure and Gareth Barry sit in front of the City defence. Every other City player doubles up on the flanks. The spotlight is therefore on Anderson and Fletcher to perform. They fail. Rooney starts dropping back as deep as to get the ball off Rio and Evans such is the severity of the problem.

          Eddy mi man, you are a very optimistic chap. Anderson has failed to perform for 4 years. Fletcher is finished. Carrick remains our only truly proven midfielder, but with no highly mobile midfield partner his powers are depreciated. Surely you don’t want to place the burden on young Cleverley’s shoulders. He’s got great potential, but he’s only played a handful of games!

          It will take a lot more than the odd summer signing to fix what is becoming a bit of a crisis in midfield.

          We need a ball winner, and a playmaker, of WORLD CLASS quality.

        • RedDevilEddy

          22 November 2011 at 02:27

          I agree with that. City opened up a ton load of room in the centre of the park for Anderson and Fletcher to relish, but they simply couldn’t! Milner and Richards doubled on Young, Silva and Clichy on Nani, with Balotelli just staying forward making it difficult for Smalling to help the Lil Man out, and Aguero just staying up and running around chasing our defending players. Anderson had two or three shots I think, none which really tested the goalkeeper, and Fletch got two chances scoring on one of them. It’s not just about creativity in the centre of the park, I tell you had we gone to wastelands playing a defence of Rio-Vidic-Carrick-Fletcher, with Nani and Jones taking care of their left flank, Young and Evra taking care of their right, with Wazza pressing three players in the middle and Chicharito just used to stretch them, Silva or Aguero wouldn’t have been able to do much either. It was very cowardly by City, or “Italian” as they say in football terms. Five of their 6 goals were counter attacks, with the last one coming from a corner. Of course, we could have put Wayne closer to midfield allowing him to take in a few shots, but whenever he tried to get involved Yaya Toure or Kompany where shading his ass! Welbeck tried to move wide to help us out, but City had really done their job and it showed.

          I don’t think creativity could have broken down that defence, the only thing that could have helped after going a goal down would have been someone like Scholes or Alonso, someone who can creep out of nowhere and rattle the net from 25 yards or some. Had we gotten the first goal, City would have suffered, but it wasn’t to be and instead we were slaughtered. Painful….

  2. RedDevilEddy

    22 November 2011 at 00:30

    You can vote for his goal against City here

    It deserves to win goal of the year, I’ve got no idea what Messi is doing in there!

    • [OPTI]Madschester United

      22 November 2011 at 02:12

      Messi got it because of the amazing assist from Fabregas.

      Berba’s overhead kick against Liverpool should have been on there as well for some of the other lame bicycle kicks.

      • RedDevilEddy

        22 November 2011 at 02:29

        That wasn’t scored in 2011 though was it?! 😆

  3. RedDevilEddy

    22 November 2011 at 01:55

    In these days where our midfield-woes are raging, I would like us all to take a moment to remember who is, in my eyes, the best player to have ever played for Manchester United.

    Paul Scholes, we miss you.

    • Moscow is my heaven

      22 November 2011 at 02:03

      “My toughest opponent? Scholes of Manchester. He is the complete midfielder.”

      Zinedine Zidane

      • RedDevilEddy

        22 November 2011 at 02:28

        There are endless quotes which can describe the quality of Scholes, but in the end just watching the man play football is enough. GEN18US

        • Ian

          22 November 2011 at 07:57

          Eddy, what’s a ‘GENI BUS’?!

          😀 😆

        • RedDevilEddy

          22 November 2011 at 13:19

          It’s what City rode through Manchester after their FA Cup win wasn’t it? They really ghosted through the city… 😆 😆 😆

  4. Fred the Red

    22 November 2011 at 02:30

    Wayne Rooney is one of the most natural footballers of his generstion. He is not the best or deadly at one particular attribute, but is very good at most things. Add this to a feirce competitive streak and will to win and you have, on his day the most complete forward in world football. Ronaldo, Messi, Kaka and the like are more beautiful on the eye and their strengths rightly draw the conclusion that they belong in the highest pantheon of world football. But in my opinion, a fit and firing Rooney brings more to the table than all three, which means he also deserves his place amonsgt the worlds best. I would go as far as to say that only he and Messi would find their way onto practically every coaches team sheet if they had the chance to have them, but for different reasons.
    But I think that he has only shown glimpses of his true potential so far during his career, due to injury, temperament and his verstlity.
    I agree with Moscow is my heaven in that United have not utilised him a lot of he time and I too believe that currently United would be better off deploying him up top on his own ala 09/10 when he was scoring for fun and looked to be enjoying the game as well.
    SAF seems to lack a vision for United at times and doesnt seem to buy players with a system in mind, but rather makes system fit he players. Berbatov and Hernandez are players that they probably didnt really need and forced United to play a system to suit them instead of buying players to suit the system. The football United played in the 09/10 season was vastly superior to the football played last season and the beginging of this season. I doubt very much wether 4-4-2 will ever win the European Cup again, and playing it was a big reason why Barca over run United in both Finals. In 09/10 United were very unlucky in the League and in Europe considering the severe loss of Ronaldo and Tevez. But they were only a couple of world class midfeilders away from being a fantastic side, unfortunatley SAF took them in a different direction which has seen the team regress instead of progress. Rooney has been in the middle of this and its unfortunate because neither he or the team have ever hit the heights in the way they should have and I doubt they ever will while SAF is in charge, though I hope Im wrong. The Manager has many strengths that will make him go down in history as one of, if not the greatest managers of all time, unfortunatley real tactical acumen is not one of them. Though that just my opinion.

  5. colver

    22 November 2011 at 04:30

    I have said many times on here Wayne Rooney is the heartbeat of the side.

    Eddie, you gotta let the Manchester City defeat go. They totally outplayed us in every single department. Even before the goal and the sending off they were much more dangerous. So what if they were set up to counter attack? We never looked like scoring and they knew all they had to do was bide their time and keep their shape and they would get opportunities on the break. It was a very ruthless game plan and we had absolutely no answer for it.

    Usually when we lose a big game we are unlucky. Luck had nothing to do with that result. Even the sending off was because Balotelli was simply too much for Evans to handle. Vidic wouldn’t have done much better as he is just as vulnerable against pacey players. Each of their goals was pure precision in passing and movement and sheer pace and physicality.

    I would however agree that the result does not reflect the gap between the sides.

    They are slightly better than us. Their defense is a lot more solid and capable of staying injury free (which has been our problem for years). Their midfield is not in the same league as Barcelona’s or Real Madrid’s or even Bayern’s. But Toure is a beast of a player and in my opinion is the main difference between our midfield and theirs. We have great wingers but they can be a bit predictable. In Silva they have the best player in the Premier League (eat your heart out Nani) who has become the key to unleashing their strike force. Only Rodwell has been able to pin him down (HINT HINT HINT Fergie).

    I would still argue our attack is better than theirs. Hernandez even while going through a rough patch is still one of the most clinical strikers in the league. Rooney as I said is the heartbeat of our side. I have not made my mind up about Welbeck. But definitely promising. And Berbatov is definitely a useful player to have.

    Still they have a lot of options in attack and create so many chances it does not matter if they are wasteful.

    Also in Balotelli they have a player who could become one of the best in the world. Hopefully his attitude will prevent that happening. But the better he more the gap between City and us will widen.

    They are not on the same level as the Invincibles or Mourinho’s Chelsea (YET). But it is difficult to imagine them not winning the league this year.

    That is OK. Because we are in a transition period trying to blood players like Jones, Welbeck and Cleverley.

    But it is clear that if we want to stay within touching distance of Manchester City we need to invest in

    A) A proper left back…Baines would be perfect
    B) A defensive midfielder such as Rodwell or Javi Martinez
    C) An attacking midfielder such as Gotze or Sneijder

    Eddie will argue that we don’t need an attacking midfielder because we have Rooney.

    But Rooney has been wasted far too much over the years doing other peoples’ jobs. With an attacking midfielder Rooney will be able to stay higher up the pitch and will be more dangerous as a result.

    • RedDevilEddy

      22 November 2011 at 12:55

      They seemed more dangerous before the sending off? 😕 During the first half we had about 70% possession of the ball, and 8 shots compared to their 1 which flew in. How did they look more dangerous? In control, yes, but definately not looking more likely to score than us.

      • Stephen

        22 November 2011 at 12:57

        In fairness, I felt we were unlucky to go into half-time one down. The score does flatter City simply due to the fact we kept on attacking, I am somewhat tired of all this City bias, we are still Champions and there is lots to play for.

        • RedDevilEddy

          22 November 2011 at 13:03

          I’m not too bothered about City to be honest. Their goals tally is impressive, but then I look at how the 6 of them came at Old Trafford and how they’ve gotten about 6 or 7 penalties this season and I kind of lose interest. They met a Spurs side in complete turmoil because of the Modric saga, and if I’m not mistaken both Adebayor and Walker were out of that game? They face Liverpool on Sunday and I hope it will be a good game, but no matter what the result is I won’t care to much about them. We will be top come the end of the season.

    • RedDevilEddy

      22 November 2011 at 13:17

      Oh, and if you ask me we’ve got a better defence that City. I’d rather have Jones than Richards, Smalling over Lescott, and Vidic is still the best centre back in the world. Kompany follows close, if you ask me a parining of those two would become the best defence! Both Kolarov and Clichy are better than Evra, but that is the only place where I see them have an advantage over us.

      As for midfield… Well, I know Yaya Toure is a beast of a player and to be quite honest I am surprised he does so well. He doesn’t really have the passing range or ball control be be a midfielder, but his physical presence makes him almost impossible to stop. But I’m not quite sold on him… He is quick, incredibly strong, but he doesn’t have the reading of the game, passing range or skill to really be able to be one of the best in there. He is a centre back in a midfield position, so it’s not weird he is one of the best defensive midfielders in the Prem! De Jong is simply a criminal, and I’d take Fletcher over Barry any day!!! So I don’t really think their midfield is too good either, and as you said our strikeforce is marginally better than theirs. But where I think the difference lies is in that “second last third”, which consists of the 3 players in the 4-2-3-1 formation. Where we can offer Rooney, Giggs, Park and Anderson, they have Nasri, Silva, Milner or Aguero. Their Young is Balotelli, who’s personality may be shit, is a brilliant player if his head is right. They really invested in this position during the summer, looking for a more “central” approach to games. We don’t see them use players like Johnson or Silva out wide anymore, even Nasri doesn’t get a spot in there as he wants these players to be central and very attacking minded.

      Bayern humiliated them. Rodwell stopped Silva during the City-Everton game. And had our midfield not had the two worst shooters in the Premier League we could well easily have scored once or twice in that first half, leaving City with a drastic change of tactics. We beat them during the Charity Shield, absolutely playing them off the park, so I don’t see any reason as to why we can’t come in front of them in the table. They are good, but they aren’t as good as many people think.

      • Stephen

        22 November 2011 at 13:31

        Their strength is their midfield, our weakness is our midfield. Silva, Toure, Milner, De Jong, Barry and even Nasri in the centre are way ahead of ours. Anderson has proven all of his sceptics right, Fletch’s form has suffered due to illness, Carrick has been at best inconsistent, Cleverley has been injured and Giggs is not getting any younger. For me the midfield is the most important component in a football side, we have neglected this for too long in the hope the Brazilian was going to be the player many thought he was and Hargo was going to get fit. We should have invested in the Summer, neglecting this could cost us.

  6. One United

    22 November 2011 at 11:48

    it really does baffle me when the arguments for Rodwell crop up. I know fergie likes him but please enlighten me what do people see in this kid. To think fergie wanted Jordan Henderson as well, thank God liverpool got him…….. Rodwell and Henderson playing in the middle of the park.. how boring would that be?
    Can somebody please explain to me what they see in this Rodwell character?

    • RedDevilEddy

      22 November 2011 at 12:59

      I see a player who had all the vital attributes for a midfielder. He is a good tackler, an impressive passer, great shot with both feet, strong character, and he does read the game well. He can be invisible at times, but that is a good thing. You can’t field a team of 11 superstars, even Barca and Real need players such as Alonso, Khedira, Bosquets and Xavi. Rodwell is a “perfect” midfield player who if given the chance at us, will impress, because he is exactly what we are missing.

      Oh and never saw anything in Henderson. He’s like Gibson, he has a good shot and a good engine but other than that he is shite. No vision, no physical presence, and his passing range is below average. I’m not even sure we were serious in our interest about him, at least I hope not!

      • Stephen

        22 November 2011 at 13:13

        With Rodwell, it ia also what he will become. He is still only 20 and has time to develop.

    • Stephen

      22 November 2011 at 13:12

      If we wanted Henderson we would have signed him, for me it was just paper talk.

  7. RedDevilEddy

    22 November 2011 at 13:28

    I hope Berbatov scores tonight.

    • Stephen

      22 November 2011 at 13:32

      He probably won’t start mate.

    • Moscow is my heaven

      22 November 2011 at 13:35

      Berbatov? Big Champions League game? Good one Eddy 😀

  8. Stephen

    22 November 2011 at 14:16

    I have a feeling that Berba wants to run his contract down and leave on a free, which financially would be catastrophic for us. The outlay and for what he has produced, would be one of the biggest failures in Fergies tenure. We should have sold him in the Summer, invested the money in maybe Sneijder and both parties would be in a better place. For me either Berba simply does not want to leave, or he wants Fergie to end up with egg on his face, a player who never starts and has an inability to effect the game from the bench is pointless.

  9. Owen

    22 November 2011 at 15:23

    Fergie should learn about value from Harry..Friedel for free,Scot Parker for £6 million and Adebayor on loan.Combined fee less than what he paid for Bebe.

    • Stephen

      22 November 2011 at 15:29

      Agreed, but the wages would be massive. Bebe was a terrible signing, Fergie puts too much faith in CQ, everyone knew in football about Nani and Ronaldo but Manucho, Possebon and Bebe were all his tips and so was Anderson…….

    • Moscow is my heaven

      22 November 2011 at 15:35

      Van der Vaart was about the same price as Bebe. Defies scientific laws if you ask me 😯

      • Stephen

        22 November 2011 at 15:49

        We can focus on the poor signings, but lets not forget, he has good quite a few right.

  10. ash is the man

    22 November 2011 at 16:03

    @colver do u really beleive our attack is better than citys? Agueoro is twice the player rooney is and always will be silva is better than young and nani, chico is good but city our bombs and miles ahead of us! Rooney is over rated. predictable and has not progressed as I assumed he would, he may be our heart beat but thats not saying much! ROONEY may be a far better player if he lead the the line and had silva behind him but the fact is right now he is pants and we are pants and to follow through with my feelings on rooney I am not even worried that he is suspended for england becuause he is pants for them too!!

    • Stephen

      22 November 2011 at 16:07

      With fans like you mate, who needs rivals….. Rooney has 11 in 15 this season. He has played with numerous different striking partners and in midfiel. I would much rather have Bobby Zamora leading the line for England than Wazza.. 🙄

      • ash is the man

        22 November 2011 at 17:19

        I never said rooney was a poor player but an over rated one, and this may also be due to the way we play football that he isnt able to reach his full potential and my point was that in my opinion we do not have a better attack than city simple because their top striker is simply superior than ours!!
        Regarding england we are so poor up front that is true but rooney is always gone missing too!

        • Stephen

          22 November 2011 at 17:35

          You called him pants mate, I would take that you think he is poor, 28 goals in 73 games is hardly a disgrace for his Country, considering Messi has 20 in 66 and the Greasy One has 32 in 87.
          Maybe we should get behind our best player rather than picking holes in him.

        • ash is the man

          22 November 2011 at 17:54

          Of course I support him and i dont question his attitude but i firmly believe he is over rated. He wants to be labelled word class but world class is messi and ronaldo, rooney comes short against these two, AND MY POINT WAS comparing our attack to city

        • Owen

          22 November 2011 at 18:17

          You mean to say only Messi and Ronaldo are World Class?

        • ash is the man

          22 November 2011 at 18:31

          messi and ronaldo are the two best attackers in the world, others I rate higher than rooney as forwards are villa and aguero, other worldclass players are xavi , ineiesta, silva, robben but they are not in the same postion

        • Stephen

          22 November 2011 at 18:47

          Villa better than Rooney? Really, don’t agree they are a very similar standard. Villa is probably a better finsher, but cant play centre mid, or has his work rate.
          You are obviously not a Rooney fan, which is sad as he is our best player. 🙄

        • ash is the man

          22 November 2011 at 18:59

          stephan u cant say rooney is better than villa beacuse he can play centre mid? im talking about being a forward and i watched every spain game in the world cup and villa was immense and was easily spains best player, he scored nearly every game and was consistent through out, rooney is always missing with england and never consistent so YES villa is better than rooney

        • Stephen

          22 November 2011 at 18:38

          Rooney is World Class, don’t be silly. He is a quality player and would grace any side in the World.

        • ash is the man

          22 November 2011 at 18:50

          rooney wouldnt grace the spain team, he hardly graces an average england team, would he get into a barca team? I doubt it, I know pep said he liked him but would he start him in the current team i doubt it and if u think different then tell me who he would replace. ROONEY is good not world class, this is my honest opinion and its not going to change for the forseeable future

        • Stephen

          22 November 2011 at 18:56

          That is rubbish pal. Rooney is a better player than Pedro, Llorente and is on a par with Villa oh and Torres. To say he isn’t World Class is laughable, you obviously have an issue with him which is you problem mate. Hardly graces the England side, is he any worse than Zamora, Welbeck, Crouch, Bent or Sturidge? Give me a break… 😯 🙄

        • ash is the man

          22 November 2011 at 19:02

          You talk about zamora and sturridge who are not influential and i agree, so why cant rooney seem to do a much better job? and in a front line of villa, messi, sanchez, rooney would not get a look in

        • Owen

          22 November 2011 at 19:25

          Your point is any player who wont get a place in Barca forward line is not world class? 🙄

        • Stephen

          22 November 2011 at 20:23

          You obviously don’t like Rooney, you have made your point but saying he isn’t World Class is a joke.

  11. Stephen

    22 November 2011 at 17:36

    Ps Sorry my typing spelling is awful, I am in an airport using my BlackBerry!

  12. ash is the man

    22 November 2011 at 19:37

    @owen- You are very mature 🙄 Who know full well thats not what i mean but to give you an honest opinion ronaldo would slot in ahead oh sanchez and aguero ahead of villa, rooney wouldnt replace either……………..JUST my opinion
    Funny aswell how there were alot of noises that barca wanted nani, but never interested in rooney, thats because if nani played more advanced and with more freedom he would be a better player, like sanchez plays with barca.

    • Owen

      22 November 2011 at 19:45

      Well noises are Barca want Bolton defender Cahill ahead of likes of Vidic,Silva,Kompany…So by your logic Cahill is better than these.

      Why dont you just say that you hate Rooney?No need for giving useless logic.

      • ash is the man

        22 November 2011 at 19:57

        haha useless logic? where did u get that from? rooney is not delivering and hasnt been delevering for awhile, he is playing pretty ineffectively at the moment and has never deleliverd in consistent form as ronaldo, I DONT HATE him but i wont buy the hype that he is world class. And man united as a team need to buy a world class player or two because just relying on rooney wont get us anywhere.
        AND stop being so ignorant and lacking in intelligence because I clearly stated that I think rooney is A GOOD PLAYER, just not world class and my ORIGINAL POINT was a comparrsion to the city front line and not an attack on rooney.
        ROONEY is a model proffesional and is very determined! I just dont beleive he has what it takes to be the very best and I dont know if the way united abuse him has hindered him

        • Stephen

          22 November 2011 at 20:30

          We won the League last season and got to the Champions League final, which he scored in.=, is that getting us nowhere?
          He isn’t delivering, well 11 goals in 15 with playing in midield and various other strike partners isn’t bad. Considering people say he was poor last season he netter 16 in 40 and the season before he scored 34 in 44. Not bad for a player who isn’t World Class and offers much more than goals…….

  13. Moscow is my heaven

    22 November 2011 at 20:17

    Please don’t embarass yourself Berba

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