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Superlative United Muller The Gunners

Manchester United turn in a scintillating performance at Old Trafford and knock 8 goals past Wenger’s men.

Where do I even begin after a performance like that? I think we were all fairly confident heading into today’s game after the recent misfortunes that have plagued Wenger and his team. However, not even the most optimistic fan could have predicted a rout of such massive proportions.

Some main takeaways as usual:

The bad

There were maybe only 2 negatives that stood out for me. One being Welbeck pulling up midway through the first clutching his hamstring. That’s never a good sight for any player, especially as he’s started to really establish himself as a regular in the first 11. Thankfully, we have the likes of Chicharito and Berbatov to “fall back” on if the injury turns out to be serious. The other negative I thought was the performance of Evans. While it wasn’t as dismal as that of the Arsenal backline (because that was absolutely embarrassing) or his performances from last season, he did appear to fall asleep on a couple of occasions and was easily the weakest link in our backline.

De Gea

Well, today’s game didn’t exactly turn around his reputation. I was hoping for something miraculous when RVP stepped up to take the penalty thinking that a save right at that moment would help ease the pressure on the young keeper. It would probably also buy him more patience from the United fanbase. He of course did just that, but then, got beat by a Walcott shot that he should have done a lot better with. Perhaps it’s a sign that he’s slowly coming into his own as he did have some nice stops during the game. Fortunately for him, we’re scoring in bunches right now and a defensive lapse every now and then has yet to prove too costly. Hope he figures it out before the mistakes turn into dropped points and lost games.

Goals, goals & more goals

After looking like a side that struggled creatively for a lot of last season, we seem to have found our groove again and have returned to the free scoring side that United fans have been longing for. What made this goal-scoring onslaught even more impressive was that for one, this wasn’t Blackburn (no disrespect intended) and two, the manner in which the balls hit the back of the net. Both of Young’s goals were absolutely top class and reaffirms the hefty transfer fee that Sir Alex was willing to shell out for the England international. He demonstrated today how he’s more than just a winger capable of putting in the early cross or producing some fancy footwork on the flank. Rooney’s first 2 goals were also top notch and will give him even greater confidence to be the first option on free kicks. Such must be his improvement in this aspect of his game that Nani barely got a whiff on those occasions save for his role as the decoy.

Beyond the scoreline

Yes, it’s easy to get carried away when you knock in 8 goals past one of the big 4 (now 6?). Yet, this was an Arsenal side that has had their collective spirit crushed recently with the departures of Cesc and Nasri. They were also missing some key players due to injury or suspension (notably Wilshere). Were we outstanding today? Yes. No doubt. But we were aided in large part by an Arsenal midfield that failed to provide any protection to the players behind them and a backline that looked so confused at times that Nani’s goal almost looked way too easy. I’m not being a pessimist before you start pegging me. But I do feel the need to at least reign in the excitement before we start making claims about achieving the treble this year. There’s still a long season ahead of us and a couple of key injuries could quickly kill the momentum we’re building.

Finally

Considering the way Sir Alex has come to Wenger’s defense over the past 2 days, you imagine he must have felt some sympathy for his good friend as our boys scored freely in the 2nd half. As outrageous as some of his statements/excuses have been over the years, you just feel like a manager of Wenger’s quality and caliber deserves better.

What will be rough on us fans now is the timing of the international break as it coincides with a blistering start to the season. Hopefully, we don’t lose too much of the impetus with the 2 week layoff. I’m also keeping my fingers crossed that all our players return from international duty unscathed and/or somewhat rested.

75 Comments

75 Comments

  1. BabyFace

    August 29, 2011 at 11:31 am

    a joyous occasion no doubt, but I think it is good that you pointed out the importance of not getting carried away.

    Thus far De Gea has looked dodgy; I don’t really see Wellbeck as a world beater (sorry). Cleverley is good rather than great, and sadly it is looking like Lord Ferg is not going to buy the world class creative central midfielder we will desperately need later in the season.

    Still, Young is looking superb and I am loving our defensive flexibility.

    Anderson, as ever, baffles me. What do people make of him this season, will he turn into the world beater that was initially promised, I can’t quite see it…

    • ash is the man

      August 29, 2011 at 6:14 pm

      we dont need a creative midfielder. we dont play like barca or in the past arsenal. we are a dynamic team with pace and strength. and clev willbe great and welbeck deserves more praise because he is keeping berba out of the team and chico might also find it difficult to break in aswell. (this is response to baby face)

  2. ancha

    August 29, 2011 at 11:55 am

    Mr Shaun

    I feel you are being very harsh

    for the past season and yesterday Evra’s positional sense has been pretty bad and he ain’t recovering from his forward positions that he is often found in, when one of the Best CB in the world like Vidic is playing then its fine as he has the experience to cover for evra, but to expect such a young inexperienced CB like Evans to cover for the indiscipline of one our senior pros is pure crap
    for all those who’s praising Jones, he had his mistakes yesterday eg allowing Arshavin to run clear & misplaced clearance for the second goal
    I’m not criticising Jones here but I’m merely pointing that although both Evans & Jones are exceptional they are inexperienced and they will make mistakes once in a while need not be highlighted as such

  3. Craig Mc

    August 29, 2011 at 12:53 pm

    Good report Shaun – thanks for that. I totally agree with your not getting carried away with it all. Pride comes before a fall 😆 . I watched the game again when I got back from the pub last night on MUTV, and I have to say that I saw quiet a few things to be mindful of.
    1. I would like to know WHERE Evra was for Arsenal’s 1st goal, and Smalling for their 2nd – because neither of them were in their appointed positions. I think both of them were bombing forward FAR too much, and not having a final ball – then they couldn’t get back quick enough. The number of times arsenal players were finding themselves totally unmarked in the far side of our box was too often for my liking. Evra and Smalling have to be more disciplined in their roles, and venture forward less – I mean not every feckin minute of play! It will cost us in away games and the very big games if they keep leaving us wide open because they can never get back.

    I am not totally biased either – and I think Arsenal had spells where they played some good flowing football, but we just had a purple game for our strikeforce where everything seemed to fly in for us. When Arsenal get their players back – I think they will do better than people think. They will want to do us when we get down to the emirates for the return – that’s for sure 😆 .

    We have some tough away games coming up in the not too distant, and you all know that we have to prove that we can do it on away grounds as well, as that lot over at wastelands are proving. I maintain my stance, players that can maintain their performances AWAY from home and cut the mustard there, they are the ones that are top class performers. They can perform with panache home and awa

    Other teams will soon catch on to the little Rooney/Young passy-passy at set pieces, and will counteract them – so they need to vary it a bit, or it will become null and void!

    • jos

      August 29, 2011 at 4:01 pm

      well whether u play at HOME or AWAY, you get the same 3 points for winning/ 1 for a draw. So whats so special about an away performance?

      • Craig Mc

        August 29, 2011 at 5:33 pm

        You have missed the point completely! Last year our away performances were abysmal – we were lucky in many away games – with FAR TOO MANY DRAWERS. On the otherhand our home games were far far better performance wise. That tells me we are not so good in our level of performance away from home, and believe me it will cost us this season IF our away performances are as poor as many were last season. Players who can turn it on at home, but shrivel up away from home – well they are not great players. I can tell you now who our performers are away from home. Grawers this year will costus the PL end of!

  4. RedDevilEddy

    August 29, 2011 at 12:57 pm

    I fear the Bolton game will be a tricky one, after that we have a trip to Benfica and a home game against Chelsea. Some really tough games, and it all ends against Stoke at the Brittania before we face Norwich at Old Trafford.

    Then it’s City and Liverpool back-to-back… No time for a breather here, we’ve got some really tough games coming up!

  5. Traverse

    August 29, 2011 at 2:11 pm

    Evra was at fault for the first Arsenal goal, and De Gea the second. Watched the game back a couple times last night, and for the Walcott goal Evra has been draw to the ball, leaving not one but TWO players completely unattended in our box.

    Should De Gea have done better? Maybe. Van Der Saar let goals in. Schmeichel let goals in. I’ll come to De Gea in a minute.

    I think our left side is going to be a problem later on in the season. Ashley Young is so far forward all of the time, and that’s his game and why we signed him, but it does leave the LB a little exposed. Evra ran out into the middle of defence in the way you would expect Fabio or Rafael to do in their youthful haste. Evra simply has to know better. Against better teams it’s something we need to keep an eye on.

    Now to De Gea. He’s a bit too skinny for my liking. I’m not hating on him, I think he’ll eventually be a great for our club, but this season he needs to start bulking up. He struggles to make himself big in the way Schmeichel or VDS did. This was apparent more in Van Horsie’s goal.

    The bigger problem with the 2nd Arsenal goal was De Gea not coming to claim a free catch in his own 6 yard area. Jones had to rush back and head it out blind, and this lead to RVP being unmarked and onside. De Gea needs to improve his catching and command of the box, or again later in the season against bigger better teams will cause us to lose points.

    De Gea communicating with his defence is the obvious solution to a lot of our problems. Here’s hoping those English lessons are coming thick and fast!

    • Grognard

      August 29, 2011 at 6:48 pm

      Fergie is no fool and he certainly isn’t planning to play this wide open style vs every team, especially on the road. Remember, we still have Park and he is here to insert in the lineup vs tough teams to help the fullbacks. Fletcher and Carrick will see time too. They will be used against tough grinding teams or teams that give us more concerns defensively.

      Forget the Community Shield victory over City. Both teams played that game with the proper sentiment and attacked. But United will play a more disciplined and more composed and slower game the next time we play them away. I think we will continue to attack at home but on the road, one has to be more conservative.

      Vidic and Rio will both return and when they do they will bring a more settled mentality to our back four. Jones is young and as good as he is, he will not start every game unless a bad injury befalls one of the big two. Smalling will share time with Rafael and Fabio so he will not be burned out either. That leaves Evra as our one every day fullback and that is too bad too because he is nothing more than an overrated attacker and and defensive albatross. He and Jonny Evans are the root cause of 80% of the goals we give up.

      Defense is still important to this team but the fact is if we want to see more and more of this beautiful football, we will have to get used to more goals being given up as well. The EPL is not La Liga. There are 20 teams in this league not 2. In their own way every English team brings problems with them to a game. As Real Madrid proved yesterday, Barca and Madrid have no competition in La Liga and can attack all out and very rarely be hurt due to the wide gulf in quality between them and 80% of the league they play in. Nobody in Spain dares score against Barca for fear they will complain to their league and FIFA over abuse.

  6. Craig Mc

    August 29, 2011 at 2:34 pm

    I think you all know I am a Tom Cleverley supporter, so bear with my comment here please! Tom is a bit where Andi was before this season, in that when he is thru one on one on the opposition GK, he misses too many his opportunities to score. He always tries to place his shot along the floor, and invariably the GK stops the shot. I noticed against Friedel and Le Arse GK yesterday that Tom was thru and had opportunity to score, but missed both times, because he has not leant to lift the ball over keepers – chip instead of ground stroke attempts all the time. He should look at this area of his game and work hard on it, if he intends to be a goal scoring MF like scholesy was!

    • Stephen

      August 29, 2011 at 3:32 pm

      Clev just needs more games, but I agree he misses a lot of one on ones, but he comparing him to Anderson isn’t far on the lad.. 😉

      • Craig Mc

        August 29, 2011 at 6:01 pm

        How so? 😀

        • Stephen

          August 29, 2011 at 6:57 pm

          😀 😀 I am only joking Anderson has progressed but he is hardly the reincarnation of Bryan Robson as some seem to think he is. He needs to produce a level of form for over the course of a season which he has failed to do thus far. People neglect his inconsistancy, still over weight, I have never seen him make a tackle, his attitude is questionable, he needs to dominate games, but progress is being made, fingers crossed.

        • RedDevilEddy

          August 29, 2011 at 7:06 pm

          You’re trying to get a reaction out of me aren’t ya?! 😆 😆

        • Craig Mc

          August 29, 2011 at 8:26 pm

          You’ve never seen ando make a tackle bro – do you go to OT games with red rum, and borrow his blinkers? 😉 😆

    • Grognard

      August 29, 2011 at 6:51 pm

      And he will mate. Be patient, he’s just a kid. Finishing requires composure and quick thinking and is the hardest part of the game for strikers to learn let alone a central midfielder. Unlike Scholes who started out as a striker Cleverely is still learning to finish off opponents. Give him some time and he will have the ability to score ten to fifteen a season I believe. Hell Ronaldo was all over the place in his first few years if you can count the number of bad misses he had.

      • Stephen

        August 29, 2011 at 7:01 pm

        Agreed, I am a big Cleverley fan and love players who are consistantly on the move, like Scholes was in his younger years. He is not near the Ginger Prince at the same age, but hey he was the greatest of his generation, but we all know that don’t we? 😉

  7. Jay wire

    August 29, 2011 at 2:35 pm

    I totally and absolutely disagree with the appraisal of Jonny Evans. In all honesty, it’s not beyond impossible, that you were watching a completely different game. First on the penalty, Walcott clearly dived for the hundredth time in his barren career. And if you were paying close attention, you’d have realised Evans was our best defender hands down. Blocks, clearances, accurate passes, interceptions, aerial duels. I mean in almost all of these, he was the top guy in defence. This is the equivalent of saying, Rooney was our weak link in attack. Both goals conceded were a result of Evra and Jones’ mistakes. I don’t think it’s bias, but I also don’t think you really watched his performance. None of the defenders played better than Evans. I totally and absolutely disagree with the appraisal of Jonny Evans. In all honesty, it’s not beyond impossible, that you were watching a completely different game. First on the penalty, Walcott clearly dived for the hundredth time in his barren career. And if you were paying close attention, you’d have realised Evans was our best defender hands down. Blocks, clearances, accurate passes, interceptions, aerial duels. I mean in almost all of these, he was the top guy in defence. This is the equivalent of saying, Rooney was our weak link in attack. Both goals conceded were a result of Evra and Jones’ mistakes. I don’t think it’s bias, but I also don’t think you really watched his performance. None of the defenders played better than Evans.

    • Moscow is my heaven

      August 29, 2011 at 5:39 pm

      😯 😯 😯

    • NicoQB

      August 29, 2011 at 7:28 pm

      Yes Walcott dived. But Evans has a tendency to use his hands when he is competing for a ball.
      As a matter of fact so does Vidic, but guess what that is also why vidic commits many fouls and ferdinand less so.
      I agree that Evans was not that bad, but he was not great either.
      He cmmits too many fouls that much is clear. Phil Neville was a great player, more gifted than Gary initially, but was was rash in the tackle, and we conceded many free kicks,. some of which yielded goals.

      Cut out on the fouls Jonny, it’ll do your career a world of good.

  8. Stephen

    August 29, 2011 at 3:30 pm

    Shaun, I whole heartily disagree about Evans, he is the knew Red Rants whipping boy. Personally I though he has a great game and has been excellent all season, Evra yet again was the weak link with regards to the back backline. When will people give Evans a break he is only 23 and has time on his side and at the worst he is a superb squad player, by the way RVP didn’t get a kick.

    • Shaun

      August 29, 2011 at 5:40 pm

      Stephen & Jay – I rewatched the game again after writing this post and have to agree that Evans wasn’t as bad as I had originally imagined. Maybe the early morning beer combined with a natural tendency to amplify every wrong thing Evans contributed to the bias. Thank you both for pointing that out.

    • Grognard

      August 29, 2011 at 6:55 pm

      Evans reacts too slowly to situations and is often caught trying to catch up which gets him into big trouble. When he is focused and on the ball, like last week, he can be quite good. The penalty he gave up was unfair as Walcott definitely did a dive but the fact is his poor reaction and awkwardness caused slight contact and put Walcott in the clear in the first place. So if he is the whipping boy on this blog, it is deserved and the bleeding hearts of this blog need to wake the fuck up, get a new subscription of eye ware and grab a clue. And besides, Patrice Evra is the chief whipping boy on this blog, not Evans.

  9. RedDevilEddy

    August 29, 2011 at 4:18 pm

    Can’t believe we have to wait two weeks until the next United game, I want more of this! 🙁

    • Stephen

      August 29, 2011 at 5:30 pm

      That not great as we have the momentum at the moment, lets pray for no injuries 😕

    • Grognard

      August 29, 2011 at 6:58 pm

      That two week break could be a buzz kill and destroy our momentum. And I believe we play Bolton after that away. Always a tough game and always tough with only a few days rest.

      • RedDevilEddy

        August 29, 2011 at 7:05 pm

        Bolton away, then Chelsea at home, before we travel to the Brittania to face Stoke. Then we have a fairly easy game with Norwich at home, before back-to-back games against City and Liverpool.

        Toughest start to a season. Ever!

  10. Owen

    August 29, 2011 at 4:21 pm

    Aaron Ramsey, who three seasons ago announced that he was signing for Arsenal ahead of United because he believed that under Wenger he had a better chance of developing as a young footballer. 🙄 😆

    • Stephen

      August 29, 2011 at 5:31 pm

      Oh dear….

    • Moscow is my heaven

      August 29, 2011 at 5:40 pm

      Same with Bale who got thrashed against Citeh yesterday. And Mikel who after rejecting us had to endure the best period in our history.

      Fucking idiots footballers are 🙄

      • NicoQB

        August 29, 2011 at 7:35 pm

        To be fair we were’nt really interested in Bale.
        He waited for us to come for him, when we didn’t he resigned to sign for spurs.

    • ash is the man

      August 29, 2011 at 6:21 pm

      hahaha i didnt know that. hahahahahahahah. he clearly never heard of becks scholes butt keane giggs. hahahahahahah

  11. colver

    August 29, 2011 at 5:47 pm

    I don’t think there is any harm looking at the good and the bad because we will have tougher challenges than today as the season progresses.

    Clearly in Ashley Young we have a gem. We haven’t had a goalscoring winger since Ronaldo and it makes us a lot more dangerous as in the past two seasons we have been very reliant on our strikers.

    Also Wayne Rooney has scored as many goals in his first three games as he scored last season between now and February. Ferguson deserves a huge amount of credit for making a difficult call and moving heaven and earth to keep Rooney and get him back on track. I think Rooney will be our most valuable player this season.

    It was a shame Chicharito didn’t score or really come close to scoring. Everyone is hailing this as his big season but I have a feeling he is going to have second season blues. We know he is a fantastic finisher. This season he needs to work on the other areas of his game and learn to combine effectively with the rest of our attackers. I expect him to share game time with Welbeck who despite not being anywhere close to as good a finisher has great movement and physical presence. And then Berbatov who Ferguson is selfishly keeping in reserve.

    Offensively we are fine. We will be able to blow away most Premiership teams no problem and have enough firepower to win the league.

    It is defensively that I have concerns. Anderson and Cleverley look promising but we lack a continental midfielder that is good in possession. That makes us very vulnerable when we play possession teams like Barcelona and Bayern Munich. Also while Carrick is an effective anchor against weaker teams and is good at mopping up when other teams give away possession and launching counter attacks, he is not the dynamic terrier like midfielder we need to win the ball off teams that don’t give it away cheaply. Fletcher isn’t really up to the task because he will win the ball only to give it away again. So I think we should make blooding Pogba a priority.

    Also while it is great we have young defenders like Smalling, Jones, Evans and the twins, they are still a million miles away from Vidic and Rio, while Evra is a shadow of the defender he was when we won the Champions League.

    You can win the Premiership by having the best attack. Our entire Premiership history has proved that. And ours takes some beating.

    But to win the Champions League defence is the most important thing. And by defence I mean as a team. And a big part of defence is keeping the ball because when you have the ball the opposition can’t hurt you. That is where we will struggle.

    People criticize Sneijder and use Veron as an example to support the notion he will fail. But Veron was great for us in the Champions League and I believe Sneijder would be as well. European football is a different ball game and takes a long time to learn because even the best team only plays a dozen or so European games a season. Anderson and Cleverley are vastly inexperienced at that level.

    Of course buying Sneijder isn’t enough to bridge the gap with Barcelona. They are that good. But it would make it less likely we get knocked out by teams such as Real, Bayern and so on. And it would give us a fighting chance against Barcelona so we avoid another humiliation.

    So I am still hopeful that we produce a huge surprise and land Sneijder!

    • RedDevilEddy

      August 29, 2011 at 6:43 pm

      Anderson has played in three Champions League finals, and contributed for Porto and Manchester United at least 5 games each season from 2006 and onwards. In fact, he was one of our most instrumental players getting to the Champions League final in 2009, dominating not only Arsenal’s midfield for two games but also being the best player on the pitch along with Vidic when we won in Porto 1-0, because of THAT Ronaldo goal.

      I can see how Cleverley is inexperienced in Europe and European football, I would say he’s even inexperienced in the Premier League as he only has 24 games there, 3 of which are for us! But Anderson?! Really?! 🙄 You talk about keeping possession and going for the safe pass instead of the Hollywood type, and playing quick one-touch passing to get us out of trouble. And you say Sneijder is better suited to that than Anderson…

      I can’t resist, I just have to ask you.

      Have you watched Manchester United play this season?

    • Grognard

      August 29, 2011 at 7:02 pm

      If you haven’t heard, Pogba’s rapid development is the single biggest reason why Fergie gave up on Sneijder. Money was an issue but he admitted that it would keep Pogba down and by doing that, we would risk losing him. So expect Pogba to show up at OT sooner than later.

      • RedDevilEddy

        August 29, 2011 at 7:03 pm

        I can see the young Frenchman featuring in the Champions League considering our easy group! Other than that, I doubt a debut at Leeds would do him any harm? 😉

      • NicoQB

        August 29, 2011 at 7:43 pm

        According to the bible of judging footballing talent, i.e. youtube, he has a better shot that Gibson!

  12. Craig Mc

    August 29, 2011 at 5:52 pm

    Phil Jones debate – the lad is a hard tackler I’ll give hime that, but I am not sold on his defending – he is far from the finished article, but then he is only 19. I have noticed that he lacks composure in his defending – and when up against tall attackers he has trouble getting UP above them because he does not have much spring. Also caught out fairly often in his positioning. getting the wrong side of attackers. However he is so fine at hard robust and well timed tackling, and breaking up play. I don’t think he is a defender, and I would lve Fergie to try him in DMF. Evans truly had to be a feckin magician yesterday, covering for skinned sausage – houdini EVRA – who is often – too often AWOL and found in the wrong box – in the box where our strikers should be. Smalling too is developing Evra’s bad habits – in his charge of the light brigade sortees up field. He is however far better at defending than Evra.

    • RedDevilEddy

      August 29, 2011 at 6:54 pm

      I beg to differ! Although young Phil have all the attributes to do well in a defensive midfield role, he is a far more accomplished defender. His rought, terrier like style reminds me of Alan Smith… Only this guy can tackle, and has some actual talent! 😆 He reads the game very well, especially when you think that he’s only fucking 19! 19!!! For fucks sake, when Vida was 19 he was just known as a serial killer in Serbia, used to get rid of bombs by eating them, and I don’t think anybody knew he could play football at that age! Even Rio was INCREDIBLY nonchalant back then, more prone to making a defensive error than Taibi on crack! I can see him grow in stature, in my opinion he dealt greatly with everything thrown at him yesterday. Although it’s fairly easy to dominate the air against Arsenal, he did very well on the ground and his headed clearence for their second goal was very well taken care of. Mind you, that had Ashley Young just been a little quicker to get out of his position Van Persie would have been offsie because Jones was in the goal behind De Gea. I also think De Gea could have taken that ball, but since he left it for Phil I was impressed by his clearing header. Very “Vidic” like, while his composure on the ball reminds me of Rio.

      He seems to fall asleep sometimes, or be a little rash in the tackle… But he’s young. He’ll learn. He’s got everything needed to be a top defender for this club, and probably future captain as well. Hope he and Vidic will be paired a lot this season! 😀

    • Stephen

      August 29, 2011 at 7:03 pm

      Give Smalling a chance bro, he is a centre half who is playing right back and is only 21.

    • Grognard

      August 29, 2011 at 7:08 pm

      Sorry mate but I totally disagree with all of that. Did you not watch last weeks game? He was fantastic and exhibited all those strengths you think are weaknesses in his game. In fairness, he was up against a team that despite their problems, knows how to move the ball quickly and creatively and lets face it, Evra was to blame for goal number one and Smalling’s absence was to blame for number two although Jones clearing header could have been better. Again, like you said, he is 19. When was the last time you saw a CB that good under the age of 23 let alone 19? This kid will be the new John Terry without the cunt like personality and along with Smalling will be the anchor to our defense as well as England’s for the next ten years.

      • Craig Mc

        August 29, 2011 at 8:16 pm

        Groggy, I was right about Nani coming good, I was right about Andersin coming good this season, and I am right about Jones’y points I made. you will see eventually – i can wait to prove my point. Naniiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii – love, Andersoooooooooooooooooooooooooooon – love – Rafaellllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll – love Chicharitoooooooooooooooooooooooooooo – love

  13. Nikos

    August 29, 2011 at 6:06 pm

    Some thoughts after the game.

    1. Rooney seems to be restless. The way the fans treated him was not fair. He ‘s always trying to bring the ball forward he is in constant movement and that’s why he made bad decisions and/or bad executions. If you play football regyllarly you do know that. When you are tired you can’t kick the ball as good as you do when you are not tired.

    So, Rooney is back!!! This is a lighter version of Rooney that Manchester owed to us since the 2007 season where we used Rooney as a No.9 (striker). He gained weight that season so as to be able to play as a striker. Now that he is a little bit more skinny… well, ROONEY IS BACK!!! Tireles attacking machine. Watch out for the axe-tackles boy!

    2. One more thing about him. Since Ronaldo period I was like “LET FUCKING WAYNE HIT THIS FREE KICK!!!” . I always knew he is a far better kicker of the ball. Ronaldo used to kick the ball very hard (he cannot even cross the ball) but Rooney is another case. Him and Ashley Young will be a great threat for the oponnents. (I loved it in his second free kick where he came out as a winner in the mind game… though it was Szcz?sny)

    I love the way Young and Rooney kick the ball. English way. Great technique 🙂

    3. Poor Arsenal. It was not that funny in the end. I mean look at them! Djourou and Koscielny? PLUS Szcz?sny??? This is fcking nightmare!!!

    4. I like Ramsey but he is never gonna be the same player. Wilshire looks better than him now. I remember a game between Arsenal and… well I cannot remember so well. It was Wilshire, Vela and Ramsey in the starting eleven. It was great to watch them. Much fun. Where the fuck is the outcome of this build-up??? It’s sad.

    5. Shitty not look so Shitty. Great football, but in the end it will be United, cause it’s just … UNITED. You know.

    6. I also like the way they find each other but it should be fair if I say that Young relies on Rooney. He trusts him so much! Come on! There are more lads around you.

    In the ohter hand it’s great to see the one taking the other from the hand and lead him to a better performance. When Ashley looks good Rooney looks good and vice versa.

    7. When Anderson is free outsied thea area… oh my !!! Thank you lord.

    8. I will never watch Arsenal when Djourou,Szcz?sny and Koscielny are in the starting eleven. I will never watch Arsenal when Djourou,Szcz?sny and Koscielny are in the starting eleven. I will never watch Arsenal when Djourou,Szcz?sny and Koscielny are in the starting eleven. I will never watch Arsenal when Djourou,Szcz?sny and Koscielny are in the starting eleven. I will never watch Arsenal when Djourou,Szcz?sny and Koscielny are in the starting eleven.

    9. 8 goals, 5 of them in the second half when Hernandez played and no Chicha in the scoresheet!!!

    I mean, how many goals are we going to score thie season?

    • Grognard

      August 29, 2011 at 7:14 pm

      There are many ways to hit a free kick and as long as they go in, they are great. Ronaldo had his style and it worked. Criticizing it seems stupid and just shows bitterness. Let it go. You only make yourself out to look foolish by trying to find fault in a player that is world’s better than anyone else other than Messi. A guy who incidentally scores 50 goals a year and about a dozen of them are free kicks. Pretty pathetic and useless he is. And as for Rooney looking restless, well that’s just more bologna too. He was a perfect 10 yesterday with his play, vision and finesse. Some people are impossible to please and what’s funny is that I am supposedly the Prince of Fucking Darkness around here. Go figure. 🙄

      • Nikos

        August 29, 2011 at 7:27 pm

        I never said I don’t like his value. I just don’t like his style when kicking the ball, that’s all. Of course I admire him, his speed, his dribbling, his tricks and of course the goals. Of course he is a threat wherever he is in the field on and off the ball and that’s what he learned in United time. Off the ball ability and heading the ball all became huge in united.

        I never liked the fact that he can’t cross. It always made me sad. I was like … why???? WHY ?????

        Can I have MY DRINK ??? THE WAY I LIKE IT??? That’s the way I like the free kicks being hit!!!! Cause it’s true he (ron) wasted lot of them in his time with us.

        So, I was like WOOOWWWW!!!!! 😯 😯 😯 😯 😯 when he scored those made screamers but each time before hitting a free kick I was like “come on…. at least make the ball go below the post”….

        That’s all.

        Oh, by the way, everyone has his point of view but believe I am not fanaticised or something. When a player is a diver he just gets on my nerves. I don’t like girly diving wether it comes from a MU player or not.

        • RedDevilEddy

          August 29, 2011 at 7:42 pm

          what? 😆

        • Nikos

          August 29, 2011 at 8:11 pm

          I rate the player high mostly for his performances and the help he gives the team he plays but not his character or his acrobatics. Diving show ponny… well that’s not what I lik in him.

          I am not a bigot so I cannot see he is a diver and that his so beloved tricks are not beautiful.

          Cause it’s not beautiful when a Barca player dives and it was not beautiful when he made this acrobatics for us.

          I think that was better english there.

        • RedDevilEddy

          August 29, 2011 at 8:15 pm

          I got that, I just didn’t understand what you meant by “Can I have my drink?!” 😛 Other than that I got it, although I don’t support your view on Ronny! I love him :mrgreen:

        • Nikos

          August 29, 2011 at 8:22 pm

          My point is if I want to drink a nice 12y.o. whiskey with no ice… well just put no ice when I ask it.

          If I want to watch some tricks, that’s nice for the last ten minutes, not for the whole match. If I want to watch diving I’ll go for a red bull competition.

          That’s all. And if I want to watch free-kicks flying over the bar and not between the posts… well, I ‘ll watch the greek fucking disgusting Superleague.

        • Grognard

          August 30, 2011 at 5:29 am

          Actually I think he is a very good crosser and if you watched enough Madrid games you would know that he has actually improved quite a bit in that department. Problem is he is also a goalscorer so he doesn’t cross as much as most wingers would. These days he plays more like a roaming free striker anyway.

    • Nikos

      August 29, 2011 at 8:18 pm

      tireless it is

  14. colver

    August 29, 2011 at 6:08 pm

    Well they say the modern game is all about attacking full backs. Alves can’t defend for shit neither can Maicon and so on. But God I would love Wes Brown circa 2008 and it would be great to have Ashley Cole as our left back even though the guy is a prize cunt.

  15. RedDevilEddy

    August 29, 2011 at 6:57 pm

    Just two days to go until everyone can shut up about Sneijder!!! :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

    • Stephen

      August 29, 2011 at 7:05 pm

      People will shut up about Sneijder if you can go a day without talking up Anderson?! :mrgreen: 😉

      • RedDevilEddy

        August 29, 2011 at 7:11 pm

        But his face! It’s just so…. IT MAKES ME SMILE! 😆 😆 😆

        Even made Schezny smile over conceding a goal by the looks of it, so thankfully I’m not alone in this assesment! 😳 😆

        • Stephen

          August 29, 2011 at 7:14 pm

          😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

    • Grognard

      August 29, 2011 at 7:17 pm

      I think we all have shut up about him. I certainly see no point in spending that kind of money. I am noisy about us getting Rodwell. I want that one badly. Probably won’t happen but I can dream can’t I?

  16. RedDevilEddy

    August 29, 2011 at 7:02 pm

    To be fair to Evans, playing as the left central defender for Manchester United is not easy considering we have Patrice Evra as our full back on that side. Even Vidic struggles at times! There is too much pressure or room for Evans to clear up in because of Pat’s inept positioning and ignorant attacking. 🙄 I wish we could give the skinned sausage a rest and use Fabio out there, I doubt he could do worse than our riciulous Frenchman. Love the guy to bits because of his personality, just like Berba, but I still feel it’s for the best of this team if he doesn’t play as often, just like Berba. Of course he is our captain and the senior member of that backline with Vidic and Rio out, but come on! Phil Jones and Smalling look ten times the leader he is!!!

  17. Craig Mc

    August 29, 2011 at 8:04 pm

    Listen Groggy, just cos you have had the Prince of fucking darkness battered out of you – doesn;t mean the rest of us have to follow you! Eddi and I love being BAD-ASS, and I can’t see us changing our bad-arse-ism anytime soon – soz!

    • RedDevilEddy

      August 29, 2011 at 8:12 pm

      BADAAAAAAASSSS!!! 8)

      • Craig Mc

        August 29, 2011 at 8:34 pm

        😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 – oh yeah bro! Bad-ass and kick-ass – we got the lot 😉 👿

        • Craig Mc

          August 29, 2011 at 8:38 pm

          Oh and Eddi – Ian Rimmer Tweets is bad-aaaaasss too – so we are not alone. 😉 😀

    • Grognard

      August 30, 2011 at 5:34 am

      I’m still bad ass, it;s just that nowadays my ass gets a soothing massage and it’s made me more mellow. Just wait until Fergie fear factor checks in and he starts playing Catenaccio again with back pass after back pass and Carrick’s and Park’s up then backside. Then the Cantona of bad asses will return. Right now though I feel like I am getting laid by a beauty every night. It is utopia right now being a United supporter. 😀 😀

  18. johnsom33

    August 29, 2011 at 8:19 pm

    I really am having a hard time trying to understand why everyone has been so surprised by Ashley Young. Did people actually watch him at Villa? There were many people both posters and pundits who said he was rubbish. I disagree then and i obviously disagree now that he was rubbish before he came here.

    He was this good at Villa, the only difference is that at Villa he wasnt surrounded by this much talent. Now that defences cant focus soley on him, he is finding life much easier with all the new space around him.

    I feel similar about Anderson, While I accepts peoples concerns over his consistency I think he has been massively underrated and under appreciated for years. Im glad to hear the ando bashing has stopped for now(I already know his haters are laying in wait) but I dont see a huge difference in the way he is playing. I have seen Anderson put long stretches of games together where he plays brilliantly. I Have also seen him struggle but that was when he is either played irregularly and in different positions.

    • RedDevilEddy

      August 29, 2011 at 8:21 pm

      I swear to God Michael, you make a sex change and I’ll marry you before you can say “I’d 8-2 be an Arsenal fan”! 😆

    • Nikos

      August 29, 2011 at 9:00 pm

      All true.

      Some people just can’t see that an attacking midfielder (a Brazilian one) is never going to be a box-to-box midfielder. He can do either passing or defending for 90 minutes brilliantly, not both of them. I’ve seen him markin man to man Gerrard and Fabregas and they didn’t touch the ball. But when he was asked to do both of them (defending-ottacking) he was a 60 minutes player. Maybe even 45.

    • NicoQB

      August 29, 2011 at 9:00 pm

      Can you imagine how good a player Anderson would be if he wasn’t fat?

      It’s a shame he has those eating issues as he could be so much more. I think we all know that by 33 years old he’s going to be just like fat Ronaldo.

      • RedDevilEddy

        August 29, 2011 at 9:56 pm

        He’s skinny now again though. 😀

      • Nikos

        August 29, 2011 at 10:02 pm

        Ronaldo was hypothyroidic and well…had some operations and steroids that made him fat. I think he is one of the most disciplined world-class brazilians that Europe has ever seen.

    • Grognard

      August 30, 2011 at 5:37 am

      I always thought he was good mate but like so many of us, we have become conditioned that Europeans or South Americans are naturally better and more gifted footballers and so even if he was on all our lists, there were two or three foreigners ahead of him. But before we sing his praises too loud, lets see how he does over a season. I remember that he and all his Villa teammates were great starters but poor finishers always running out of steam in the second half.

  19. RedDevilEddy

    August 29, 2011 at 8:19 pm

    By the way Grognard, if you are the Prince of Darkness on here it’s because you yourself gave you that title a few years back. Don’t fault us for it! 😉 😆

    • Grognard

      August 30, 2011 at 5:39 am

      I gave it to myself as a joke due to the abuse I was getting over being negative. It was intended to lighten things up and make people see that I actually had a sense of humor. I guess you never got the memo eh? 😀

  20. Darth Red Diablo

    August 29, 2011 at 10:30 pm

    Nani always hits top form after he’s made to sit on the bench due to Valencia.
    I think that’s about to happen. 😆

    • RedDevilEddy

      August 29, 2011 at 10:45 pm

      I bet a Tomasz Kuszcazk on that dislike coming from Craig! 😆 😆 😆

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