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The clock is ticking to zero hour

This summer has been a comedy of errors and one big con job on all of us and it still amazes me how many of you cling onto the belief that something major will come down before the 3rd.

I for one am fed up and have almost given up talking about this fiasco and charade, as it’s clear nobody can handle the truth. You want to blame somebody? Blame the owners, not the paid lackeys who are ordered to carry out their wishes to a tee.

These ridiculous bids and tactics that are being used are nothing more than elaborately stupid attempts to con all of you into believing that United care about you the fan and that they do want to improve the club. And yet I have yet to see a single bid made for an available target like an Ozil or the dozen players Spurs have brought in etc. Instead we go in with bids for players unwilling to move or clubs unwilling to sell. And if there is a buyout clause on a player, it doesn’t surprise me how we bid under that amount not once, but twice while Bilbao had already stated they were not interested in negotiating. Is that Ed Woodward being a thicky, or is that Woodward doing his masters bidding? It’s all just an elaborate game and a facade designed to keep us interested. Fact is United haven’t been granted a shilling to spend. And for those of you who don’t believe me, the proof is in the pudding. Mr. Woodward, show me the money, show me the signings. The Glazer’s no spend policy is another reason why they refuse to sell Nani, Anderson and other dead weight the club has been carrying for years. They would rather pay a moping player in bad form rather than spend more bucks on a better player who will demand higher wages.

If I were young and just getting interested in the game, the last club I would support would be Manchester United. I truly like only half of their players, hate their owners and hate their lack of aggressiveness in buying players to improve. Frankly if it were not for their history and I have been a fan since 1976, they would not be my cup of tea. Not the way they are run these days. Remember, I wasn’t born on the red side of Manchester. I picked up on them watching tv as a little boy and buying Shoot magazine and Word Soccer Monthly from the newsstands back then to get my footy fix while living in a country that back then offered very little European football. So I picked up on United watching a few games and noticing in those magazines that although they were not league leaders, they still spent money on players. I liked the way they played and so I became a fan.

Since those early years, I have become much more astute and experienced in the way the game is played on and off the pitch. I like a club I can trust to not only get the job done on the pitch but in the boardroom too. A club that has killer instinct and that is never happy and settled with what they have or what they have accomplished. And some of you wonder why I also support that other continental club which will remain nameless? Simply, because they give a damn about their fans and because they are hungry for trophies and always push the envelope to improve. They honour their history but they don’t just live in the past and they understand that to stay on top, you have to continue to evolve and tweak the club and never feel like you are settled. As if Madrid or Barca would ever go from winning the league to not buying a single player the following summer. That would never ever happen. Frankly, United is my love and my passion but I am bored with her and the thoughts of an illicit affair with somebody younger, more alluring and sexier does enter my mind. She has gotten fat and bloated and she no longer cares for herself even though she still can turn a head from time to time. But the great makeup and makeover magician Fergie is no longer with her and I’m not yet so sure that with David Moyes the old girl doesn’t start to show her wrinkles and cellulite more and if those old bones don’t start to finally creak. We shall see.

The transfer deadline is only a few days away as of writing this piece. It’s not impossible to think that something will happen before the door shuts closed until January. But for me at least it is looking more and more unlikely and the thought of an entire season of poor Michael Carrick being saddled with the timid Tom Cleverley, the useless Anderson and the ancient Ryan Giggs is enough to bring me to nauseam. Is this as good as it gets from now on? Was Fergie the only reason up to now that the Glazer’s hadn’t implemented fully their working model that shows their Tampa Bay Buccaneers as the cheapest team in the NFL with the lowest payroll? A club that continually sells its best players once they reach a position where a raise in salary is indicated. I shudder to think of the consequences and long-term repercussions of Fergie’s retirement.

I’ve stated many times why I feel David Moyes was hired. Even if I’m wrong about that, it is clear to me now that the Glazer’s got their man. A man who does his work and doesn’t ask questions or raise issues with the ownership about exactly what they are or are not doing. This year we will see if the loyal prognosticators who feel this club is good enough, will prevail. Are we good enough to beat out Manchester City, Chelsea and now the rebuild and ready to kick ass Spurs? Perhaps, but in my humble opinion (ok maybe not so humble), we have a long and frustrating season in front of us. Right now it’s so far, so good. Everyone is healthy, Wayne Rooney looks to be motivated to play and is staying and if all else fails, we still have Robin van Persie. We still should put in a challenge but I seriously doubt we will have enough quality to endure another long season and win the league when our major opponents have done so much to improve their clubs while we have stood pat and done absolutely sweet nothing.

Just one signing Dave, just one. That is all that I ask. I’ll settle for Fellaini or and ancient De Rossi, somebody to help the midfield and to help rid me of this terrible anxiety I feel over that position holding the key to our club’s future. It is our Achilles Heel, our albatross on our club’s shoulder. Please do something now for Christ’s sake before it’s too late. Just imagine the scenario of a long-term injury to Carrick occur and watch our dreams of a 21st league title turn into a fight for a Europa League position. That is how frail the quality and the depth of our midfield is. And then all we will need is for the predictable bad back of Rio’s to reoccur as well as Nemanja Vidic having leg problems again and then we are totally screwed. Those are worst-case scenarios but not impossible by no means. Then I look at some of the other elite clubs in the game and I see how deep their depth is in midfield and I ask myself the following question. Am I the only one that gets this? I don’t think so. Many of you agree with me and have brought this up in discussion. The problem is the brain trust of the club we support seem to be clueless or at least powerless to do something about it. At least that is how it looks from the outside looking in. There is no transparency with this club. There is nobody to go to and ask why and get a straight answer. Madrid, Barca, Munich and other major clubs have transparency and it’s because they are community owned. They elect their club officials and these officials answer to them. I just want some answers from this privately run enterprise. Of course in theory they are not obligated to give me any answers and that is exactly what they have chosen to do. Just some fabricated lies that they force the manager to say in interviews.

I honestly want to be positive about this club and I want to get on with the season and worry about games and how well we play. This transfer season BS has gotten me so down and so flustered. I’m frustrated and very disenchanted because at least for me, my club doesn’t seem to care about my needs. I would like a Ronaldo and an Ozil but realistically, all I am asking is for a Fellaini or reasonable facsimile. Tell me folks, am I being greedy and am I asking too much? Despite my doom and gloom I truly believe that one or two central midfielders of real quality would elevate us back to the top in England and would make us serious threats in Europe. There are three days left for that wish to come true. I beg United to find it them to grant me and many fans that wish and that reassurance. Zero hour approaches and all is calm…………………………………..



  1. terry

    31 August 2013 at 15:32

    I agree

  2. Marcie

    31 August 2013 at 15:42

    Some United fans have started a campaign – Where is Ed Woodward?


  3. red astair

    31 August 2013 at 15:46

    I agree with you, the Glazers don’t give a shit about the fans, why would they? They didn’t acquire Utd as an expensive hobby, but a business, to make themselves a lot of money, let’s not have any illusions on that score. This doesn’t have to be a bad thing though. Simply put, profits are linked to what happens on the pitch, the better Utd do, the more profit is made. If Utd’s performances deteriorate, then so does the amount of money heading for the Glazer’s bank accounts. I, like many Utd fans dislike the Glazers, because of the way in which they acquired the club and then saddled it with their debt. The Glazers reputation was dog shit before the ink was dry on the contract. Will this give the Glazers sleepless nights? No, not at all. What will give the Glazers sleepless nights is if their reputation as businessmen suffer, as far as investors go it’s once bitten twice shy, they can’t realistically allow Utd to go down the pan. This summer has seen a lot of work done to bring in new investors and sponsors, and these people have put up a great deal of money, not just 500 quid from the local branch of Tesco to help pay for a new away kit. Take the tyre companies, for example, the very nature of their business means they want to be associated with safety and reliability. Before they invested multi millions they would have sought assurances and received promises. If these promises are broken future investors will run a mile and the Glazers will be finished. Whatever else they are, they aren’t stupid, and they must know this.
    It might well transpire that no new players are signed this summer and all the show of trying to sign players might indeed be total crap, but the show isn’t for the fans, it’s for the investors. They are the ones that have to be convinced, not us, the fans. The failure to sign new players is not only damaging to Utd, but also the Glazers, so at the moment I don’t put any blame on their shoulders, but firmly on Ed Woodward. I commented elsewhere that if Woodward is on a salary + commision basis he stands to make a small fortune this year. I believe this is what is happening, all the failed transfer attempts are nothing but self interest on the part of Woodward. If there are no new signings and Utd fare badly because of it, expect Woodward to be out of a job by May.

    • toshe

      31 August 2013 at 16:32

      @red astair: even if utd struggle on the pitch and with investments,glazer nows he can always sell the club enough to make good money of it,to some rich arab ,russian or chinese

      • red astair

        31 August 2013 at 16:47

        @toshe: This is true, but if Utd were European champions at the time of selling, the Glazers would make substantailly more than if we were struggling to make the Europa league. The financial outlay to make us European contenders is minimal compared to the revenue they might expect to receive if that happened. As a buyer, would you rather invest in a successful business or a struggling one?

        • toshe

          31 August 2013 at 17:53

          @red astair: do you think the glazers who run businesses over few billion dollars ,are not in possesion of such an information…we have to dig a bit deeper to have an insight of the situation

    • Grognard

      31 August 2013 at 19:12

      @red astair: The Glazer’s are the puppet masters and Woodward is just another puppet. And if he was working on commission, he’d starve because leads do not pay out commission, sales do and he hasn’t bought or sold anyone. Dropping from first to Liverpool would certainly send a message to investors and fans but it would certainly start the process of damaging the return the Glazer’s have been so used to. Maybe then they will consider one of two solutions. Sell the team or invest in players to bring the club back up to it’s expected position. Take a look at Tampa. Mediocrities for years and the Glazer’s don’t seem to mind. Bottom line is they still make money.

      • red astair

        1 September 2013 at 12:23

        @Grognard: TBH I know nothing about Tampa, who they are or what they are, and I don’t care. Probably, the majority of the World doesn’t know or care much either. The Glazers cannot compare Tampa to Manchester Utd. It’s a bit like calling something a World series when only one country is involved, it’s irrelevent outside that country. Football is a worldwide game and Manchester Utd is a global phenomenon. What happens at Utd becomes known throughout the World, there is no hiding. What happens at Tampa doesn’t get much farther than America.
        I agree with you, there are two possibilities confronting the Glazers, the first,invest in players, the second doesn’t bear thinking about because it will mean the sale, piece by piece, of Manchester Utd. If the second scenario is their preferred option we are in for a very dark time, and I suspect it will happen quite quickly. The one ray of hope is that to do this would severely piss off a great many investors, Worldwide, and as the Glazers are money motivated they wouldn’t want to do this. Unless, of course, they have made as much money as they want from Utd and are preparing to depart back across the Atlantic.

  4. Chris

    31 August 2013 at 16:29

    Absolutely spot on – Its a business and not a club and it spreads propaganda and deceipt to idiots like me who foolishly renewed again this year and if I could get my money back I would.
    I hate all the Bullshit and lies and obvious low-ball tactics.
    I am kidding myself even as I type that there is a Ronaldo surprise going to be pulled out of the hat at the last minute because surely we are not so cynically treated ……………and then I remember that Woodward was the snake that structured the deal for the Glazers to by us in the first place and then rape the club of its finances and dignity ever since. As for Moyes, well he will shut up and repeat what he is told to.
    This looks like my last year of contributing a single penny and watching us win by 11 points last year was a thoroughly dull and hollow victory that flattered to deceive.
    ………and dont get me started on the fat prick Rooney! No doubt he will be spun as “almost like a new signing getting him to stay”

    Great honest article that I hope all fans read and realise the truth about our owners and their man Woodward. 😡

  5. BigRed

    31 August 2013 at 17:16

    I do believe this summer has been a summer of smoke and mirrors. An attempt to make it look as though United are contenders in the transfer market. Which of course, we’re not.
    But I don’t believe this ploy has been for “our” benefit, the fans. I don’t think The Glazers give enough of a fcuk about us to do that. Instead I believe that this summer’s show has been for the benefit of the shareholders. To fool those stupid enough to cough up the types of sums of money that the Glazers care about into thinking they’ve made a sound investment. When in reality, all they have done is line the Glazers pockets even more.

    This is not the first time United have failed to invest in a winning team. Fergie didn’t spend a few occasions too. So it’s not purely a Woodward/Moyes phenomenon, it’s a Glazer tactic, ably assisted by The Little Bald one of course.

    This is a test of Moyes’ skills. Fergie could polish what he had into a winning team time and time again. Can Moyes do that? I don’t think so.

    • Chris

      31 August 2013 at 17:30


      Yes – this summer same as all the “wesley sneijder” “Eden Hazard” “Lucas Moura” summers that came before.

      This summer will become known as the Fabregas summer.

  6. red astair

    31 August 2013 at 18:06

    Well, the latest rumours suggest that de Rossi wants to stay at Roma and Utd are unwilling to meet herrera’s buyout clause. That just leaves Fellaini, watch his price rise through the roof now. The trouble is that woodward can’t look anything other than foolish and incompetent if he bids more than 23.5M, having valued Fellaini at below that price with the initial bid and missed the buyout clause. Now we just have to wait for the excuses.In the recent RR poll, I put that Utd wouldn’t buy anyone, I’ve seen nothing so far to change my mind.

    • Grognard

      31 August 2013 at 19:16

      @red astair: How many times over the past three years have I heard the name of De Rossi be mentioned in transfer talk to other teams and every time I heard De Rossi did not want to leave Rome. And United know this and that is why they are supposedly after him, because they know they won’t get him.

  7. Grognard

    31 August 2013 at 19:25

    • Redrich

      1 September 2013 at 02:35

      @Grognard: The pattern is plain to see, but most don’t look at those figures, mate.
      Something tells me that more and more Reds will start to accustom themselves with how their hard earned graft is appropriated. But there will still be a few who think it’s OK to shovel all the clubs finances onto a ship to Florida.
      God Bless Them, what ever that means – hope it gets them through game day.

    • Warzycha

      1 September 2013 at 07:39


      That’s like stealing. I mean, 35.2m for Fernandinho, 17.36m for Paulinho, 33.44m for Willian?

      They’re fucking crazy! We ‘d better giv those money for Pogba rather than for an unproven Brazilian. They play for their national team??? WHO CARES? Anderson was supposed to be a star and he still struggles to maintain his form and play football for over 70 minutes.

      • Opti

        1 September 2013 at 16:04

        @Warzycha: I agree with this: buy back Pogba!

      • The Truth

        1 September 2013 at 17:27

        @Warzycha: Yeah and we spunked around 20 million on Anderson. Not to mention another 18 million on Ashley Young and 8 million on Bebe. Come to think of it, no wonder the Glazer ***** are being tightfisted with the cheque book.

  8. Dred

    31 August 2013 at 19:38

    An article that speaks for most Reds I think.
    There are some though who thinks that because we won the league last season by so many points we don`t really need to strengthen. They miss the point, without the driving force of Fergie we wouldn`t have.

    Sadly it was a curse when we only lost on goal diff and won the following season by 11. It papered over cracks and now our rivals have stolen a march. Having said that, we`ll just have to go with what we have.

  9. colver

    31 August 2013 at 23:21

    All I can say is roll on zero hour. At least with the transfer window shut we have a genuine reason for not signing players.

    We clearly aren’t going to activate Herrera’s release clause. And even if we did there is no guarantee the player is going to want to join us.

    I do not know what is worse. Ending up empty handed and without the midfielder we so desperately need. Or being held for ransom by Everton on deadline day and made to pay £30 million for a player worth half that.

    • Opti

      31 August 2013 at 23:51

      @colver: Right now, the value of any decent midfielder to UNITED is pretty close to 50 million. Think about the lost opportunity from not signing a decent midfielder:
      1) over-reliance on Carrick. Any injury and we’re toast
      2) No alternative besides Anderson and Cleverley (does Giggs really count?!?!)
      3) Any backup plan in terms of injuries, will put a huge load on youngsters (Janusxcxcz’s) shoulders.

      Even one decent midfielder like Fellaini will solve all three problems and reduce our risk going forward this season. It is insane not to sign just ONE midfielder. Quality is whole other matter…

      • Redrich

        1 September 2013 at 01:38

        @Opti: “Quality is whole other matter…”
        Shame it comes down to that. Desperation is not something I ever thought this club would resort to and besides that, how could we have ever passed up on all the MF’s on the market before we decide to overbid for Fellaini.

        None of it makes any sense to me, – except the lingering thought that we never had any intention to spend money this Summer anyway.
        No club can be this poor at negotiating for players – except, perhaps, the one that has no money to spend!!

    • Grognard

      1 September 2013 at 00:04

      @colver: Everton is not holding us hostage mate. They are simply not obligated to sell to us unless they get their price. If the shoe was on the other foot I bet your view would be different. United are at fault. They could have gotten Fellaini weeks ago but let that opportunity go. People need to understand here that United are just playing games.

    • ForeverRed

      1 September 2013 at 00:39

      @colver: Let’s face it – Fergie is the reason we’re in this predicament. His stubborn refusal to invest in the MF has turned a drama into a crisis in the making. He should never have left his successor with such a problem, but instead over the last 5 years he chose to splash out 120M+ on the likes of Anderson, Hargreaves, Nani, Berbatov, Tosic, Bebe, Smalling, Kagawa, Young and Jones (not bad players, but how many are first team regulars??) – in fact anything but a Scholes or Keane replacement – while letting the closest thing to it go in Pogba. Fergie is single handedly to blame for the perennial deterioration of our MF with absolutely zero strategic plan for its rejuvenation. Our David Gill replacement has turned out to be amateur, but I’m not yet willing to attach too much blame to Moyes for this embarrassing state of affairs. This has been in the making for several years.

      • Redrich

        1 September 2013 at 01:41

        @ForeverRed: Well there is that, mate, but that’s always going to be a hard sell.
        Ferguson knew how to load the dice and it worked a charm for him, didn’t it?

      • Jay Wire

        1 September 2013 at 09:12

        @ForeverRed: Thank you. I have always said the reason we never did get a midfielder is because Ferguson clearly thought of Central midfield as an insignificant component of the team. He overloaded the team in every other position except midfield. He takes most of the blame but really Woodward and yes Moyes could have handled things better. They are to blame for complicating very simple and inexpensive things. Ferguson left only one mess. Central midfield. The rest of the team is good enough. That meant Moyes only needed to correct that one anomaly by getting at least two midfielders and we close bank. That’s it. There are so many competent quality midfielders available in the market. This should have been concluded before the end of July. Well at least the main target should have been acquired by then. Getting a player now is disruptive. They don’t have enough time to get into the groove. Poor poor poor

    • BigRed

      1 September 2013 at 00:40

      We need to just walk away from Everton now. If Moyes pays that kind of money an elbow on legs like fellaini he needs sacking.
      I’d rather we bought nobody than pay well over the odds for a no skill bully like Fellaini.
      Absolute joke if this happens.

      • Opti

        1 September 2013 at 02:35

        @BigRed: Woodward (read: rumor) has it that Ander Herrera is a done deal… we met asking price, he asked to join united. Personal details being worked on.

        I would rather have this youngster for 30 million than fellaini for 25-30 million…

        Or why not both 😆 😆

        • Grognard

          1 September 2013 at 03:39

          @Opti: I won’t believe it until he is on the pitch wearing out kit.

        • BigRed

          1 September 2013 at 12:23

          @Opti..Yeah I read this morning that (allegedly) Herrera does fancy the move but won’t force it.
          The bal is in our court on this by the sounds of it, if we want him, seriously want him, then we must meet his asking price and get it done.
          i’d take this lad over Fellaini all day every day.
          Have we got the balls to pull it off? That remains to be seen.

        • red astair

          1 September 2013 at 12:54

          @Opti: I don’t know much about Herrera, he’s called a playmaker. So, is he better value for money at 30M than Erickson who went for 11.5M?

  10. shadie

    1 September 2013 at 10:28

    this was the plan all along. Stall on all transfer until deadline day so the fans would become anxious then any signing made on that day would be welcome with a sigh of relief. Moyes refused to sign fellaini earlier because that would have made him look out of his depth. he chosed to time the signing carefully so it would be more appreciated than criticized. am willing to bet my laptop that fellaini would be a united player by sunset on monday. I personally think fellaini will be a quality addition to the first team and will be an instant hit with the fans because he is a tryer and every body loves a tryer. thats why we love wayne rooney, thats why we loved park ji sung, thats why we find it hard to write of danny welbeck, thats why we support man united because determination and work ethic has always been the guiding principle behind our success and not flair. so fellaini will have no problem adapting to the squad, i can guarantee all of u that. he is underated because he plays in england but i cant remember watching an everton game against any of the epl big guns where fellaini wasn’t among the best five player on the pitch.
    As for his price tag, i think 25m plus lingard on loan will be fair. lets not forget martinez did a very good job on cleverly so a loan for lingard wont be a bad idea.

  11. colver

    1 September 2013 at 10:59

    I very much doubt Herrera is a done deal. Our interest in him cannot be that strong if we only made our first bid a few days ago. Plus with him being in another country and involved in Bilbao’s game against Real Madrid today I wouldn’t bet on the incompetent Woodward and Moyes wrapping up the deal in time.

    The only likely scenario left is that we move for Fellaini on deadline day. Everton have Gareth Barry lined up as a replacement. So if we stump up £25M it could happen.

    Or maybe Grognard is right and we are broke and all our bids are masterfully calculated to provoke a “hands off” message from other clubs that makes us look like a threat while being rejected so we are not on the hook financially.

    The latest Moyes excuse is that it will take him two years to reshape the club in his own image IE he is buying time

    • Buggy

      1 September 2013 at 11:06

      @colver: Herrera not in the starting lineup for Bilabo against madrid. Looks like United are gonna up their initial offer. Please do it before tomorrow Mr.Woodward. 😈

  12. colver

    1 September 2013 at 12:46

    Hum well if we sign Herrera I will forgive Woodward and Moyes for all the stress and frustration they have put me through this summer. Because Ferguson would have never signed him even if he had the money to spare and my mouth just waters at the thought of a midfield of Carrick and Herrera oozing class and helping us retain possession.

    But my gut feeling is still that we will make a desperate deadline day bid for Fellaini.

  13. godzilla

    1 September 2013 at 13:02

    Young and Giggs in the squad again! If we intend to play a 4-3-3 why not go with Kagawa. Is he injured? Not even on the bench.

  14. tonymontanna4united

    1 September 2013 at 13:02

    De Gea, Jones, Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra, Carrick, Cleverley, Young, Giggs, Welbeck, RVP.

    Team is so depressingly average- full of triers and hard workers but a massive lack of quality aside from RVP.
    No Kagawa, not even on the bench. Young and Giggs 🙄 both preferred. This is going to be one long frustrating game against those scouse c**ts imo 😡

    • red-drew

      1 September 2013 at 13:09

      @tonymontanna4united: Giggs should not be starting these big games anymore

    • red astair

      1 September 2013 at 13:40

      @tonymontanna4united: No Kagawa, not even on the bench.

      Could he be going somewhere else tomorrow? Only reason I can think of.

      1 – 0 🙁

      • The red baron

        1 September 2013 at 14:31

        @red astair: where there’s smoke there’s usually’s paper s talking about swap deal + cash for gundogan.find out 2moz one way or another.

  15. Warzycha

    1 September 2013 at 14:11

    Was that choice, I mean Giggs out right, supposed to be an unsettling factor for Liverpool’s defense?

    What about using Kagawa, Rooney, Zaha??? How’s that like? Maybe all of them together behind RvP???

    Ridiculous choice by D. Moyes. Maybe he overthought that one.

    • Jay Wire

      1 September 2013 at 14:33

      @Warzycha: I’m really getting,pissed,with all this. Why don’t they just let Kagawa go? It’s criminal. Dortmund want him back,just send,him there and stop this crap

  16. Phoenix Red

    1 September 2013 at 14:12

    Need to wake up in the second half if we want a result here, Liverpool are hungrier! Dont like all these yellow cards either! Yeah and why isn’t Kagawa on the bench!!!!

  17. Warzycha

    1 September 2013 at 14:22

    MU is based on Carrick, RvP and Rooney (when he plays) . These are the players who get the ball so as to build an attack. In every game we overuse these players. And nothing seems to have changed since Moyes arrived. Sometims the ball is given to Giggs or Evra or Rio to build a proper offense, but we really are a monotonous – unvaried side.

    Liverpool manmarked Carrick and Manchester United is collapsing. This is one more reason why I insist we shouldn’t be based on him. Cause if you’ve got only one quality CM and he is THAT slow, you can’t beat wiser tactics. With all respect, he is a quality midfielder, but he is lonely and.

  18. tonymontanna4united

    1 September 2013 at 14:26

    Our possession has been much better than in past Anfield showings and again, I like the way we’re pressing and pressurising Liverpool when they have the ball.
    It’s just a lack of quality when we have the ball that is costing us again.
    Giggs has seen the game stroll by him, and I don’t know why we’re playing him on the right 🙄
    Nani there would be so much more dangerous and offer us a goal threat aside from RVP.
    Young has put in a few decent balls but not done much. Evra has gotten forward but likewise doesn’t offer that great a final ball.
    RVP has been left isolated and had to drift out to wide areas to get the ball.
    It’s as I said when I saw the team sheet. A lot of triers and workers but no where near enough quality aside from RVP.
    Kagawa, Nani, Zaha should be playing in games like this but don’t seem to be preferred for these types of games by Fergie when he was here, nor Moyes now.
    As I said to a mate the other day, the MF obviously is priority number 1 and needs attention, but our forward options and lack of quality there is honestly starting to concern me just as much.
    Valencia, Young, Giggs, Welbeck just don’t offer enough if anything in types of games and really shouldn’t be starting these games.

  19. Jay Wire

    1 September 2013 at 14:28

    Van Persie is desperatelty trying to screw this up. His temper tantrums have always been a problem. But in general there has been too much lack of discipline from everyone. Giggs has been poor. If Kagawa can’t get a look in in games like this while a very poor Young and Giggs get to start then it’s depression time. Giggs is making sure all our play ends with him, with his customary sloppy play. He is also,a huge defensive liability. Young should just depart from the club altogether. Apart from half decent crosses all he ever does is fall,dive and look clumsy. I vote for Nani to replace him immediately. But Giggs is a real liability today. Carrick has been sloppy and slow to react. Really frustrating.

  20. Phoenix Red

    1 September 2013 at 15:25

    we missed Rooney today, no doubt! liverpool were hungrier and deserved this, again in the final third we couldn’t make it count

  21. redmanc

    1 September 2013 at 15:30

    We are playing like Everton….Thank you Moyes…You have stamped your style.

  22. Stephen

    1 September 2013 at 15:32

    Why no Kagawa?
    Why Giggs, on the fecking right!?
    Ref was shite!
    Liverpool acting if they have won the league.
    No goals in 2 games!
    Moyes I am getting worried!!

  23. Onkar

    1 September 2013 at 15:36

    Team sheet itself suggested that we had no chance winning… i also did not get this logic of giggs on right…further when it was so clear that it is not working out then why not change… its not knee jerk but we already should at no 4 as realistic fight… no 3 will be a bonus in my books…

  24. Jay Wire

    1 September 2013 at 15:42

    Were the players in some kind of protest? They were looking completely out of it.Like they didn’t want to be playing in the first place. This is a fitting outcome and Moyes deserves the crap storm coming his way. What a poor utterly frustrating game. No creativity whatsoever. Brilliant decision to dispose of Kagawa just before a game like this( apparently a deal has been agreed with an unnamed club). He was a definite missing factor. But Giggs and Young surely outdid themselves today. What shocking performances. What a rubbish week this has been for this football club. I honestly believe the players are upset about something. You could see from the kick off their attitudes were really negative. They were collecting yellow after yellow and looking increasingly frustrated. What the heck is going on here?

    I am really up to here,yes here,with this crap. I don’t even know what to say,but I surely am not going to feel anything for Moyes. He really has disappointed with his team selection and basic management

    • Opti

      1 September 2013 at 15:59

      @Jay Wire: I am looking at Rooney’s sudden 2-week “injury” from head wounds… can you say: training club brawl? Right before Liverpool match…

      Makes sense the players would seem agitated.

      • Opti

        1 September 2013 at 16:00

        @Opti: Kagawa fought with Rooney? Both go missing. Squad in distress? makes sense…

  25. AndyCR7

    1 September 2013 at 15:43

    I won’t mind if we lose every match if Moyes starts Giggs every game.

    • Opti

      1 September 2013 at 16:01

      @AndyCR7: If Giggs plays every game, does he make it to 1000 appearances?

  26. Opti

    1 September 2013 at 15:58

    On Giggs starting on the right (the f**king RIGHT!?!?!):
    I can understand Fergie playing Giggs, because they had sentimental connection going back 20 years. Father/son. I disagreed with it last year when it was obvious Giggs was only good for short cameos, but I understood. Then came Moyes. Cleaned up the coaching staff. Change is good right? But then he persists starting Giggs… on the right side? If Giggs should ever be on the wing today: it is on the left. If not there, place him in an advanced midfield role to minimize his poor defensive impact.

    I was shocked to see Giggs start. Why not Zaha? [not even getting into the debate about Kagawa’s omission].

  27. The red baron

    1 September 2013 at 16:01

    Just brought home today how much we missed Rooney (even though it pains me to say it).proved a point today, if Rvp is not firing on all cylinders n no Rooney, where’s the goal threat gonna come from. Case of same old same old. No fresh ideas, attacking wise, just seem one dimensional when plan A fails.

    • Opti

      1 September 2013 at 16:16

      @The red baron: Nah. Rooney’s absence had nothing to do with our loss, no more so than his involvement caused us to draw against Chelsea. This loss is on Moyes’ shoulders:
      1) Starting Giggs and playing him for 75 minutes on Right wing **head.wall.repeat**
      2) Omitting Kagawa from line-up entirely. Very poor timing and choice.
      3) Waiting too long to replace Young/Giggs with Nani/Chicharito [obvious move]

      Don’t forget this was Liverpool without their prime defenders, their best striker, and Pepe Reina… what they did have was Gerrard and Leiva, who are better than our midfielders combined (Only Carrick is in same league).

      It is amazing what a quality midfield pairing buys you in both attack and defense… 🙄

  28. Opti

    1 September 2013 at 16:03

    On impact of Rooney:
    I don’t buy it. Once Chicharito and Nani came on (or when Young and Giggs came off), we were much more dangerous and fluid. Nani’s long shot, RvP near-post miss. If there was another half we would have won.

  29. Opti

    1 September 2013 at 16:10

    Here is the kicker. From Moyes:
    “From what I saw today, I’m more than happy with what I’ve got. It’s the best we’ve played this season. I wouldn’t be worried if I didn’t add to the squad.”

    — Then Moyes is delusional…

    • Warzycha

      1 September 2013 at 17:03


      I don’t think this is what he said in the dressing room… I think that he was like “OK, I made some wrong choices, but you let them bite you like juicy chicken-wings. I don’t want to see this again.” etc.

  30. tonymontanna4united

    1 September 2013 at 16:13

    Moyes has got to be brave enough to make big decisions, dropping the Fergie favourites if need be, if he’s going to succeed here.
    Fergie might have gotten away with playing such an average side, I mean hell, towards the end he seemed to love virtually stockpiling the club with the Valencia’s and Young’s of this world as opposed to buying/playing the flairy and exciting players who could win matches and get you off your seat.
    But what might have worked for him, probably won’t work for Moyes nor anyone else.
    The starting line up today was to a man, the type of line up Fergie would have picked. Hard working, but devoid of any real imagination and overly reliant on RVP for goals.
    This game was calling out for a Kagawa, Zaha or Nani much earlier on. We kept possession and pressed them fantastically well but all that is unimportant if you don’t create the chances and score the goals.
    As I said above, we’re still desperate for a CM but if we’re honestly going to persist with the likes of Giggs, Valencia, Young and Welbeck most games then another wide man/attacker might be needed just as badly.
    Really that should have come from selling Rooney, and reinvesting the £40m in an Ozil, Lamela or Draxler, and playing Kagawa in the number 10 and giving Nani another shot. Possibly also selling the likes of Young and Valencia to make room for the fresh exciting prospects like Januzaj, Zaha and Lingard.
    But that was always going to be just a pipe dream with our glorious owners reluctant to spend and everyone being so shit scared to dump Mr Ambition.

    In the real world now though with our current options available, below is how we should be lining up most weeks from now on:

    —-Carrick–New CM—-

    Giggs, Valencia, Young, Welbeck etc should be squad players and nothing more.
    With more of a goal threat, especially on the wings, to go along with our better ball retention and our newly acquired pressing game, we’d be a much greater threat, because whilst we have played much better in the last 2 games against Chelski and Pool than I can remember in recent years under Fergie, we’ve come away with a point from six and not scored a goal.
    That could have quite easily been 6 from 6 with a couple of goals to boot if Moyes had been braver and gone more along the lines of the above side mentioned.
    As I said, if he’s just to imitate Fergie and try to become Fergie MkII then he’s going to fail. He needs to be brave enough to make his own decisions and not go with just the same old same old because it served us well in the past. There’s alot wrong with this squad afterall, and alot of it is actually Fergie’s doing.
    Be your own man and do things your own way and who knows, we might improve because of it.

    • The red baron

      1 September 2013 at 16:23

      @tonymontanna4united: Case of same old same old, , yet again. Does moyes want to be a fergie clone or does he want to make a statement and try n put his own mark on utd? .you talk a lot of sense mate.

      • Grognard

        1 September 2013 at 18:30

        @The red baron: He was hired as a yes man remember. A man who will do what he is told. Fergie may no longer run the ship as captain but now he is on shore playing admiral and his presence intimidates Moyes and keeps him from doing anything inventive or different I believe. I think it has to be very difficult for the man having the legacy of 26 years of success standing over your right shoulder. Now I ask you, would a man like Mourinho or any other top flight manager with pedigree come to United and not be his own man? I would have told Giggs to put on his coaching suit and give up his cleats for one. Fergie’s Old Boys (not to be mistaken with Newell’s Old Boys) all need an escort to the airport. Giggs, Evans, Anderson, Young, Cleverley, Nani, Valencia, Evra are all massively not good enough or past their prime and need to be let go. Eight players that for me are not good enough anymore on a club fighting for a championship is a sorry state of affairs. This club badly needs a new approach and a massive injection of new blood. Lets start with Kagawa, Janusaj and Zaha and then spend some money and get quality players. As if that radical course of action would ever happen under this sorry regime. 🙄

        • The red baron

          1 September 2013 at 18:54

          @Grognard: just feel disappointed how moyes has approached this job. He had a clean slate to start from, Instead he try’s to be a little fergie. Don’t no what his gameplan or line of thought is .seems to be a case of if it ain’t broke don’t fix it. Sorry though, Sumat is wrong, our at the end of my tether with this total ignorance of our midfield. For f….. sake do something about it.

      • Grognard

        1 September 2013 at 19:23

        @Redrich: World Class mate, World Class. Suggestion though. Make sure the instructions come with illustrations.
        😆 😆

  31. colver

    1 September 2013 at 17:03

    Evra’s performance was one of the few positives today. He has started this season on fire. Moyes would be a total idiot if he pays £16M for Baines.

    If Moyes had any sense Cleverley’s terrible performance should send him on the first plane to Spain to wrap up the Herrera deal. I have never understood what all the fuss about Cleverley is about. He is simply not pulling his own weight in midfield. Yet he has still started every single game under Moyes.

    It definitely seems as though Kagaya is leaving the club. With Rooney injured I would have at least expected him to feature as a substitute.

    Presumabely we are selling Kagaya to raise the funds necessary to up our bid for Herrera or Fellaini. And Rooney will get his own way and regain his starting spot. Way to go Moyes! Yet another creative player unceremoniously dumped by us.

    Liverpool showed what Chelsea demonstrated the other night. All you need to do to shut us out is to show some defensive discipline and keep Van Persie quiet.

    • Opti

      1 September 2013 at 17:22

      @colver: I think keeping Michael Carrick quiet is more important for killing off our offense. Are Giggs and Young providing quality crosses/deliveries? Did Cleverley do anything but impersonate a headless Chicken Little?

      If we do not sign anyone today/tomorrow and Janusxcxz, Zaha, Chicharito do not feature next games against Cardiff/City, I will become worried. What’s next? Fabio in midfield 🙄 🙄

    • Grognard

      1 September 2013 at 17:57

      @colver: It was a 1-0 match and that one goal you could blame partly on Evra because for whatever inexplicable reason, he was the man marking Sturridge on that play. A hobbit marking the opponents striker tells e there is something wrong in that tactical composition. Why wasn’t one of our CB’s on Sturridge? WHY? 🙄 🙄

      • Ray

        1 September 2013 at 19:26

        @Grognard: Maybe because our CBs were marking their CBs. Just a thought.

      • Grognard

        1 September 2013 at 19:37

        @Grognard: If you don’t believe me, watch the replay. I’m just stating facts. I’m not blaming Evra for being tagged to mark Sturridge. Somebody made that decision.

  32. Grognard

    1 September 2013 at 18:09

    I am just too numb and too disappointed to get into a long rant or review of this match. What good would it do anyway? We all know what the problems are. It may be only three games into the season but we have already dropped 4 points. We haven’t scored in two games and from what I saw, we may never score again. Horrible, absolutely horrible team selection, tactics and a midfield I wouldn’t select for a pub side. We made Liverpool look like a contender today and when Brendan Rodgers is made to look like a tactical genius, you really need to sulk and search for answers. Frankly, without Rooney on the pitch we are no better than Everton or Southampton. We have a world class striker and no class set of midfielders and wingers. Meanwhile Kagawa and Zaha are being wasted and insulted considering they have more talent than the other five midfielders on display today combined. I am shocked and appalled and the only comfort I can grab today is that it was only game 3 of a long season as well, some relief by the name of Fellaini might be on the way. Today showed that we need a lot more. Better get Ozil, Coentrao, Herrera and Mata while you are at it. And with this lot, that might not be enough. What a downer. 🙁

  33. Grognard

    1 September 2013 at 18:19

    A lot of people are blaming Fergie for the state of our midfield. Well perhaps that is true but all that I can think of today is that Fergie’s presence on the sidelines today would have gained us at least a point. Like I said weeks ago, he was worth ten to twelve points a season to us. Today would have been on of those points. Moyes hasn’t got that magic and he doesn’t have the added power of “Fergie Time”

  34. Stephen

    1 September 2013 at 18:28

    Grog, you have hit the nail on the head. We were very similar to the team of old, bar that Fergie factor. It is easy to dismiss him, but he was the difference so many times.
    Also even Fergie wouldn’t have played Giggs wide left. Moyes seems almost star struck by him, he is 39 FFS. Nani changed the game when he came on.

  35. Redrich

    1 September 2013 at 19:01


    1/. Order a large quantity of sand (preferable wet sand).
    2/. Deposit it at a prominent area of the Carrington training facility.
    3/. Solicit some help from Woodward, Phil Neville and perhaps Bobby Charlton.
    4/. Start digging.
    5/. Insert all heads present into hole.
    6/. Smile and tell us “Squad goodenough, no new signings needed”.

    There, job done!!

    👿 👿 👿

  36. Opti

    1 September 2013 at 19:18

    Bale, while overpriced, is 85.5 million pounds of intent from Madrid (on top of the ~50 they already spent). Now can we show just half of that intent? Or at least a quarter?

    Who is available from Madrid now? Ozil, Khedira, Di Maria, Coentrao? Buy one get 3 free? 😆 😆 😆

    • Grognard

      1 September 2013 at 19:35

      @Opti: Bale is 85.5 million pounds of overpaid and overrated delusions of grandeur. A great player but a player I believe will fail miserably in Madrid. Not worth more than 40 million. And I would never gut my team by getting rid of four or five excellent players in order to afford such a delusion of extravagance. I mean he plays the exact same position as Ronaldo. Madrid unlike United may not have their heads in the sand, but they sure have it up their collective asses. What Madrid needed was a striker and a CD. But then again, they are worried of losing Ronaldo next season. Ronaldo has no interest in playing for PSG, Monaco, Anzhi, City or Chelsea, so what are they worried about? United? 😆 😆 😆 😆 Yeah right.

      • toshe

        1 September 2013 at 20:03

        better a overpaid exellent player,than money in the bank

        • The Truth

          1 September 2013 at 20:53

          @toshe: Exactly. Also, when you consider that we were going to spunk 40 million on fucking Baines and Fellaini it puts Bale’s value in context. Would you rather have 1 Gareth Bale or a quadruple signing of Baines, Fellaini and two other players of their “quality”? 😆

          People can scoff at the transfer fee all they like but it’s just sour grapes. United talk the talk about being the biggest in the world but Madrid walk the walk. Ronaldo, Bale and Isco feeding Benzema, while we watch Young, Valencia and Giggs toiling away, trying (and failing) to get the ball to an increasingly-isolated and frustrated Van Persie. Moyes delighted with 0-0 draws and 0-1 defeats in which we barely threatened a goal. Exciting times at Old Trafford. 🙄

        • The Truth

          1 September 2013 at 21:36

          Update: Just read that Madrid have agreed to sell Ozil to Arsenal for 43 million pounds! So they’ve really got Bale for around 40 million (net). So which is a better deal, 40 million for Gareth Bale or 40 million for Baines & Fellaini? 😆 Who needs the new Ryan Giggs when we’ve still got the old one starting every game for us. 😳

  37. BigRed

    1 September 2013 at 19:50

    David Moyes…””It’s the best we’ve played this season. I wouldn’t be worried if I didn’t add to the squad,” said Moyes.

    You’ve gotta be fucking kidding me!!!??
    That was fucking awful. One of the worst ingle displays ive ever seen by a United side.
    Piss poor in every department, except perhaps De Gea.
    He can’t be serious, this is extremely worrying.
    Moyes hasn’t got a bloody clue.

  38. Stephen

    1 September 2013 at 19:53

    Grog, your romantic views of Fergie have somewhat changed from your mission for him to be sacked. You may claim to have been in a dark place but it was non stop mate and for a long period of time.
    Maybe we all change and views dim, but we all need to stand by our moral compass.

  39. godzilla

    1 September 2013 at 19:53
    If Ozil moves to Arsenal because we didn’t bid i would be very very mad!

  40. colver

    1 September 2013 at 21:00

    Fellaini could not be bothered at the weekend so I think he is on his way to Old Trafford tomorrow. Apparentely Everton’s stance is to keep Baines and sell Fellaini, and they will replace Fellaini with Barry.

    Shame because I was really excited when I heard we were linked to Herrera.

  41. tango

    3 September 2013 at 04:49

    I agree 100% Grognard.. but dont forget Fergie backed the Glazers all the way and recommended Moyes for the managers job.

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