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United Continue In Rich Vein, But Ferguson’s Rallying Call is Misplaced

A demolition of Hull, made complete especially in the last ten minutes, should hold United in good stead ahead of more challenging encounters against City and Arsenal.

Wayne Rooney was majestic, and not just his four goals, as he looks well on course to comfortably exceed his past season scoring records.

More importantly Nani, who was played on the right, preferred over Valencia, impressed. Given a rare start on the right, he showed yet again why a lot of United fans feel frustrated: a fantastic talent but wasted due to moments of indecision or lack of a prolonged run in the side.

He didn’t show much indecision on Saturday, as a dominant performance showed how much he is capable if given a longer run, and when he sorts out his head. I haven’t been convinced of Nani despite his obvious talent, but I will be glad if he proves me wrong. We really need a good creative winger on both sides, and if Nani can turn it on, then it will be a welcome turn of fortune for us as this season winds down.

But the biggest addition to the side was Rio Ferdinand — who ensured we were reasonably solid in defence; something that was patently lacking over the past month and a half.

Rooney’s four goals was a first for him, professionally. He later said the last time he scored four goals was when he was 12.

All we need from Rooney now, is to get him to stay injury free, and continue to stay in his purple patch — easier said than done, I know. [More importantly, he shouldn’t be played up front on his own.]

But the big talking point of the day was the protests, in the form of anti-Glazer chants. Ferguson attempted to win over fans by devoting significant space space to that in his programme notes:

“Everyone is entitled to their opinion and to express disapproval if they don’t like what they see around them,” said Ferguson. “I am not slow to express disapproval myself if there is something I don’t agree with – even in the boardroom with the directors. But once I walk out of that meeting I get on with my job as manager of the team. Some of our fans are clearly unhappy with the financial position but we mustn’t allow the situation to become divisive. We must remain loyal to the cause of Manchester United.”

However he seems to be missing the point entirely, if he followed what the fans were on about over the last couple of weeks. Most, if not all, fans are 100% behind the club, the manager and the players. What we have been protesting about is the direction the ownership has taken. If Ferguson says he’s disagreed with members of the boardroom, it matters not a jot to us, because the disagreement is contained within the boardroom.

He must let the fans do what they need to do to get the owners’ attention. However futile it may seem, given the Glazers’ record, peaceful demonstrations against the ownership is certainly welcome. If Fergie would have noticed, the fans sang the names of the players through the game yet chanted LUHG during the match. Why is this hard for players and the manager to grasp, I guess I will never understand. [I hope he does and he’s just getting on with his job.]

Anyway, let’s get behind our side ahead of City, because the lads will need all the support they need to over turn a deficit.


Speaking of which, in case you want to win tickets for the City game, try this.

Also, United Rant parses Ferguson’s comments quite well



  1. Red Ranter

    January 25, 2010 at 11:01 pm

    @Gabriel: Occasionally speaking out of turn against the owners — even once — wouldn’t hurt. He doesn’t have to be Rafa, always railing against the owners — but he should at times acknowledge fan concerns.

  2. Red Ranter

    January 25, 2010 at 11:05 pm

    @[OPTI]Madschester United: Who is talking about Fergie leaving? If you think the Glazers would dream of sacking Fergie if he occasionally spoke out of turn, then you don’t have a grasp of his importance. The fact that he is United gives him far more power to speak up occasionally.

    Whether we love him or not, his disdain for supporter groups is well documented. And that’s sad.

    He’s the greatest manager English football had, and I would dread the day he retires (which is also not too far away, mind). But I feel his statement was wide off the mark.

  3. Red Ranter

    January 25, 2010 at 11:08 pm

    @[OPTI]Madschester United: And you reckon it’s easier to find players in a World Cup summer than the summer before? And you reckon clubs will be willing to do business before the Cup, instead of hoping their stars have a good world cup so that their value sky rockets to ridiculous levels?

    Poborsky, anyone?

  4. Scotjimland

    January 25, 2010 at 11:11 pm

    @Red Ranter: HERE I go again, M8….. YOU are the moderator of this great blog,Its all about timing m8, I just dont want the season goosed over this dreadfull mess, and we are in more shitty place than now.
    I realise you want him to fall on his sword for the club, I just think that would be catastrophic. I certaintly dont think you are an ASS licker. M8 as i typed before, what ideally do you want the Best mananager most Successfull in England (Scotland at his time at Aberdeen)
    to do, other than appease the fans.

  5. Scotjimland

    January 25, 2010 at 11:14 pm

    @Red Ranter: porborsky any 1 :mrgreen:

  6. Scotjimland

    January 25, 2010 at 11:16 pm

    this is not my field, great blog, and hay aint the moderator cool! niters

  7. Red Ranter

    January 25, 2010 at 11:17 pm

    @Scotjimland: I don’t want him to fall on the sword. Christ, where did you get that from? Occasionally speaking up does not amount to falling on the sword.

    I am fully in support of the side, I would never advocate booing the players when they’re on the pitch. If this support is not enough, what else is? Hating the Glazers should have no effect on players.

    I can’t put this in more plain language.

    And as far as I know, the crowd cheered the lads against Hull.

  8. Grognard

    January 25, 2010 at 11:20 pm

    @Red Ranter: Totally agree. But we also have to look at the situation with a specific type of mindset similar to boot camp instructor. To turn soldiers into lean mean fighting machines, you have to deconstruct or break down everything in them that came before, and then build them back up. United may have to be broken down to the point of embarrassment before the loyalty and the support of the fans can help build the team back up. Unless some money bags prospective owner shows up, I feel this team will be heading for bankruptcy and defaulting on their loans and the team will then go the similar way of Leeds but not that far down. We may have to be a minnow for a while before new owners rebuild the squad. I’m not saying this is going to happen, I’m saying it could.

  9. Grognard

    January 25, 2010 at 11:26 pm

    @[OPTI]Madschester United: The problem with waiting is that the prices are just going to continue to skyrocket because of the World Cup and because United is one of those teams that are making 80 million on a player. If by chance they sell Rooney for 70 million, then they only have themselves to blame for escalating prices because you and I all know Rooney and every other player on the planet other than Ronaldo and Messi are not worth more than 35 million tops. Fergie created the skewed marketplace, he now has to learn to live with it. I for one cannot see any value in not buying any players when clearly this club is desperate need of 3 or 4 players for key positions.

  10. Grognard

    January 25, 2010 at 11:32 pm

    @Red Ranter: Exactly. The Glazer’s are smart enough to know their would be a mutiny and a rebellion outside of OT if they were to sack Fergie. Fergie needs to take advantage of his position and tenure and stand up to the owners, demand certain contingencies and address the concerns of the supporters fairly, honestly and without deception. The fact that he doesn’t tells me one thing and one thing only. That besides his salary, the glazer’s have cut him in on the fleecing of the team and he is getting rich beyond his wildest dreams by just keeping his mouth shut and like Darth Vader, doing the Emperor’s bidding. I could be wrong about that part but really, what else would possess this man to completely allow owners to sabotage the team he helped turn into a juggernaut over the past 20 years? Honestly, if I was him I lash out at the nearest Glazer’s throat and demand answers. Right now Fergie disgusts me with his misguided loyalty and sheer stupidity. 🙄

  11. Grognard

    January 25, 2010 at 11:33 pm

    @Red Ranter: 😆 😆 😆 EXACTLY. The stock of Milos Krasic, Manuel Neuer, and other World Cup bound stars is sure to skyrocket and so if he actually had money to spend, he’d buy a player like Krasic right now. That’s too damned logical though.

  12. Grognard

    January 25, 2010 at 11:37 pm

    @Red Ranter: Why Fergie or anybody else would think that a supporters rebellion would have any negative effect on players is beyond me? Nobody has anything bad to say about the players other than some of them aren’t good enough. But that’s not what fans are booing of course. They are booing the Glazer’s yet Fergie sees it as an attack on the team and the players? My God how little that man seems to get the jest of what’s really going on. Clueless as Captain Smith on the Titanic I think. 😀

  13. [OPTI]Madschester United

    January 25, 2010 at 11:41 pm

    @Grognard: I don’t understand how Fergie is at fault for the skewing the market — he said Ronaldo is not for sale, RM said, everyone is for sale and bid regardless — their bid was following an asking price but a price that could not be refused… the same for KAKA at AC Milan and Kolo Toure at Arsenal.

    Real Madrid and City are at fault for paying over the top for players that were not for sale.

    I agree with you that no one is worth more than 30-35 million, except Ronaldo and Messi (perhaps Rooney in a year or so 😆 ). No way Rooney is sold.

    The difference between World Cup and last summer is the following:
    1. Last summer, players who were not for sale were bought for over-the-top prices
    2. This summer, players who perform well at world cup (ahem, Poborsky was a Euro 1996 product) will have their price doubled instantly… however, Adler and Neuer cannot share 1st goalkeeper duties so one will have his price double (let RM and city get him) and the other will be priced at near-normal rates (let’s get him).

    The same goes for Sissokho who will likely not play a large role for France. We are looking for Under-26 players and most world-cup stars will likely be over 26 (except our duo Ronaldo and Messi).

    I think we can find good value while Real Madrid, City, Chelsea, and Barca go head-hunting for super-stars

  14. [OPTI]Madschester United

    January 25, 2010 at 11:50 pm

    @[OPTI]Madschester United: *their bid was NOT following an asking price

  15. CraigMc

    January 25, 2010 at 11:56 pm

    😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 , OK all Nani haterz ➡ ➡ ➡ ➡ ➡ ➡ . Don’t even FRET about Lil man being in Fergie’s good books, because he will do a Tevez, leave in the summer with a Tev ‘I fucking hate Ferguson’ attitude, and TURN IT ON PROPER for his new club, coming back to OT to haunt us 👿 . Now as to all you Rooney ORGASMISTS – please come back to me AFTER we play City, Arsenal, Chelski and L’Pool, and IF Rooney scores (When Nani isn’t there to lay chance after chance on for him) then and only then will I hold my hands up 🙂 .

    Phoenix mi man, as I took all last week to attend games in MANC LAND, I had to work like fuck to meet my deadline – so I wasn’t able to make ANY time for blog SCRAPS. I am here now, so bring it on – Nani LOSERS! 😆

  16. gator

    January 26, 2010 at 12:50 am

    @Grognard: maybe he knows more about the situation than you do, 😉

    Maybe he knows that united are more than able to pay the debt. Maybe he thinks that the current uproar by the fans is all conjecture by the ABU media and that our situation is not nearly as dire as is being made out.

    Just maybe we are fine in our finances and he has the resources that he and the club say he has available to purchase new players. And maybe he was telling the truth when he said he was looking for value and seeing none, while sorting out our extremely deep team in a transition year.

    I dont think you really believe that the Glazers are paying him under the table to keep quiet. C’mon maaaaan. Seriously, Im sure he is paid plenty already and do you really think he would do that. 🙄

    United is a business and is being run like one. We just happen to make money wile others do not. In every free market in the world owners of a business are able to draw money out and i wager that if you look at the amounts taken by owners of other 1.9b gbp rated companies they would be comparable and probably larger sums. It is just not common in football to turn a profit.

    As long as they keep up the bills and let fergi buy as he pleases im fine bc they will sell in a couple years, hopefully to someone with cash up front.

  17. gator

    January 26, 2010 at 1:00 am

    @CraigMc: Interview i read today he seems upbeat and says that injury is the reason for his lack of playing time and poor performances when he did play this season. I hope he is going nowhere but down both of our flanks.

    He should play a part in one or both of our games this week and if he has a comparable performance to his last two I see him taking a starting position on one flank or the other for the rest of the season. A Nani resurgence is just what the doc ordered for this team right now.

    Oh and he also had this to say of Wayne :mrgreen: it’s great that we have someone like Wayne who is in good form and feeling confident,” he continued.

    “It’s great to see one of your strikers score four goals and it gives everyone confidence because we know we have someone who can score goals in every match.”LINK

  18. Traverse

    January 26, 2010 at 1:00 am

    @Red Ranter: I think you’re underestimating the GLAZERS (bastards bastards bastards) stupidity.

  19. Traverse

    January 26, 2010 at 1:04 am

    @CraigMc: Welcome back, how good was Rooney btw?


  20. NicoQB

    January 26, 2010 at 1:15 am

    @CraigMc: Hehehe. :mrgreen:

    I’ve been thinking that if Nani manages a string of good performances and regains form, he may develop a great partnership with none other than the boy Rooney.
    Why, because unlike Ronaldo – who with his super massive ego was never going to play second fiddle to anyone; Nani MAY accept being the in-house goal maker, and throw in the odd goal.

    Obviously the main beneficiary here will be Rooney. 😆

  21. Red Ranter

    January 26, 2010 at 1:19 am

    @Traverse: There is no need to under estimate or over estimate the Glazers on this particular count. They clearly spelled out the imminent retirement of Ferguson in the near future as a “risk factor” in their document. They know pretty well how important he is to ensure our continued success.

  22. Gabriel

    January 26, 2010 at 1:21 am

    @Redrich: Mate, imagine the mass hysteria the ABU brigade would whip up as soon as Fergie says a bad word about the Glazers? These guys are looking for any opportunity to orchestrate the demise of Manchester United; you just have to look at any defeat we suffer to see the level this guys would go to. A good example was with the guardian when they released an article or two everyday for a week after our finances were published, predicting and describing how ManUtd are doomed and are going to crumble in the near future; all despite the fact we turned a profit and acheived continually rising amounts of revenue. Imagine the ammunition a sniff of infighting would provide the ABU media?? Not to mention the pressure these basterds would inflict on the players, where every loss would signal the demise of the club, the loss that started the crumble, the signs of a divided dressing room etc

    What Fergie is doing now is the seige mentality, protecting United from anymore damage and evil, as like it or not, we can do little to remove the glazers from the position they are now; they are legally allowed to do what they are doing. Starting a rebellion would only fuel the ABU’s flamethrowers and cause that divisiveness and lack of harmony Fergie is trying to prevent. I am pretty sure Fergie doesn’t agree with what the owners are doing, that much is insinuated in that paragraph quoted, but he also doesn’t want a situaution where the supporters do more harm than good, as will probably be the case when you clash against an immovable object as the Glazers.

    Like it or not, they are doing what is best for the club. Probably behind closed doors where things are usually handled far quicker and with less collateral damage. We as supporters might want some reassurances of our actions and feelings but United as both a business and a football club that needs some sort of harmony to stay successful, we cannot expect the top brass to make public their infighting or differences as that would only be detrimental to Manchester United as a whole.

  23. [OPTI]Madschester United

    January 26, 2010 at 1:31 am

    @Gabriel: hear hear!

  24. Jay Jay

    January 26, 2010 at 1:37 am

    @[OPTI]Madschester United: how much did he pay for Rooney, Veron, Roy Keane, Dion Dublin, Yorke, Djemba Djemba, Bellion and many more. I know you’ll tell me how good some of them became but they were not that worth at the time.

    Friend, one thing you should learn in soccer is that you are as good as your last game. So if you think that SAF waiting until the end of WC will lower the prices of players, yo mistaken. You go ahead and stub yoself in the back that last summer the buyers were few and teams never wanted to sell and you go on and assume that this summer, the buyers will be mob. Ok let’s take yo assumption to be true, but by the law of demand and supply, THE HIGHER THE DEMAND, THE GREATER THE PRICES!

  25. Red Ranter

    January 26, 2010 at 1:56 am

    @Gabriel: I think the Guardian articles were parsing the 300 page document for us. Sometimes one can get carried away too much to label anything said against the club as ABU.

    I thought the vast majority of the Guardian articles were fair — not the crumbling part, but the fears and risks expressed were pretty real.

    As for the ABUs it’s besides the point — they will whip up a frenzy anytime regardless. That’s just noise. It doesn’t matter. This is about United fans and their right to express dissent. I am not talking about getting violent of xenophobic like Liverpool fans. Just that there’s nothing wrong about expressing strong dissent peacefully.

  26. Redrich

    January 26, 2010 at 1:58 am

    @[OPTI]Madschester United: The “no value” comment was a sign that he knew the extent of the Glazers’s shenanigans from the time Ronaldo got on the plane to Madrid. He knew that if he was to spend it would be with borrowed money, hence the price of the player would be compounded by the interest on the debt.
    So instead of trying to hoodwink us all into thinking that the money was there and he couldn’t find the right player at the right price, why couldn’t he just tell us that with the clubs finances in a sticky state and with the inflated prices of players we were going to just sit tight.

    Value has never entered into his evaluation of players before, if he saw someone he liked , he paid what it cost to get him (Rio, Carrick, Rooney, Berbatov eg.). So his statement was really just an elaborate ruse to deflect attention away from the fact we are skint – and apparently some of you swallowed it hook, line and sinker.

  27. Redrich

    January 26, 2010 at 2:32 am

    @Red Ranter: Good to see you slip in a nice dig at the Scousers, mate. It’s been a while!! 😀

  28. Jay Jay

    January 26, 2010 at 2:48 am

    @Redrich: ya right mate. we are just skint and SAF tries to be a diplomat instead of letting the truth be known

  29. Redrich

    January 26, 2010 at 3:08 am

    @Jay Jay: Diplomacy would require him to speak to both sides. On this issue he is clearly speaking for the Glazer’s and to the fans!

  30. Grognard

    January 26, 2010 at 3:47 am

    @gator: I don’t know what to believe anymore mate. I just know he has turned on us the supporters and his actions are despicable. And on the theory that maybe he knows more than us, well sure maybe he does. But then again maybe he doesn’t and maybe what I have to say and what the media has to say has a ring of truth to it. Loyalty is great, blind loyalty is just that, BLIND.

  31. Karl

    January 26, 2010 at 7:38 am

    Consider this thought on “value in the market”…
    Rooney is currently United (and England’s) most important player. Considering that prices of Ronaldo and Kaka (and the asking price of Ribery), there is no way his agent will ever let a deal be brokered for less than 70m. If Roney manages to have a good-great world-cup, that ‘value’ will most definitey be increased to 90m. There is a belief that the team winning the WC will contain the WPOTY. If England wins (BIG IF), Rooney will become that player, which means NOTHING LESS THAN 100. I’m pretty sure that price is attractive for the debt of the club. Should United sell, what impact do you guys think that will have on the market?

    Here’s the big catch with the whole situation. United don’t have to sell Rooney to create such an impact. All it takes is for some ‘greedy’ agents to exploit the situation by starting orchestrated rumours in order to rise the value of ‘their’ stock.

    I honestly don’t see better value after the worldcup.

  32. godzilla

    January 26, 2010 at 9:42 am

    Hopefully, we will see Ando being sold soonfor someone much superior being bought in! :mrgreen: why not try to get a deal done in this window itself to help our PL and CL cause!

  33. Stephen

    January 26, 2010 at 9:46 am

    For me tomorrows game is the big real test of this current United squad. Personally I think it is a weak squad with plenty of bodies but little quality bar Rooney. In previous seasons we have managed to pull big results out of the bag because of the players we have have with regards to ability and also their mental strength, for me this is an area this current team lacks.
    Bar a few in the side we lack the mental toughness of sides in the past the seige mentality and strength of character, Anderson, Carrick, Berba and the Parks of the squad me lack that resilience and play for the shirt attitude, I hope I am wrong with regards to this and the players mentioned step up to the plate, this could be a turning point for our beloved team and I am not sure with way it will go.

  34. Stephen

    January 26, 2010 at 9:47 am

    @godzilla: Sell him to Lyon and bring Flamini in from Milan.

  35. Karl

    January 26, 2010 at 1:51 pm

    @godzilla: I hope Anderson get sold to Arsenal. He would do great there.

  36. Stephen

    January 26, 2010 at 8:28 pm

    @Karl: Wenger isn’t stupid mate. 😉

  37. Scotjimland

    January 26, 2010 at 9:50 pm

    A quote I just read on a Manchester shitty blog” you cant out think baconface” while it is highly disrespectfull, the CORRECT sentiment is held within.
    Spuds 1 Cottagers 0, can you see your fourth place disappearing Bindippers

  38. Scotjimland

    January 26, 2010 at 10:39 pm

    Erm where are you Lads, We have Signed Chris Smalling, who was is that said we are busted, no money,no desire.Its all in the master plan, its metamorphisis.
    Getting so excited about tommorow night, it’s gonna be fucking great, they are planning taking a load of smoke bombs into the 2tier !

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