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United Return to Action with Liverpool Showdown

Over the course of the season, there will be a lot of important matches, and in looking at the big picture, there are quite a few that might mean more in terms of Manchester United’s ambitions for the season. But in terms of anticipation, excitement, emotion, and the desire to stick to one of your fiercest rivals, it’s hard to top matches against Liverpool.

The anticipation is only heightened by the fact that it’s United’s first match after the two-week interruption known as an international break, but no matter where the match is on the fixture list or where the two sides are in the table, Manchester United v. Liverpool is and always will be a massive fixture.

But in meaning beyond emotions and bragging rights, United head to Anfield not only looking to maintain their place atop the Premier League but also to win there for the first time since 2007.


When these two sides last met, it was, on the whole, a forgettable afternoon for United. As if March’s 3-1 defeat at Anfield wasn’t bad enough purely from a scoreline standpoint, it was made even worse by the fact that all three goals were scored by Dirk Kuyt, who benefited from some woeful United defending to notch his first hat trick for Liverpool.

There hasn’t been too much enjoyable about visits to Anfield as of late, as United have lost in their last three visits there. The last time United won at Anfield was in December 2007, when Carlos Tevez’s goal late in the first half was the decider in a 1-0 win. Whatever happened to that guy?



It’s been a busy year in terms of ins and outs at Liverpool, with mixed results. Sacking Roy Hodgson in January and re-installing Kenny Dalglish as manager nearly 20 years after he left the post looks to have been the right move, purely based on results.

After Dalglish’s return, Liverpool made a run at a top-five finish, ultimately finishing sixth, four points behind Tottenham. This season, they’ve had their ups (a win at Arsenal) and downs (a 4-0 defeat at Tottenham), but they do appear to be capable of making a run at a fourth spot that appears to be anyone’s for the taking this season.

They’ve seen a couple of key players leave for London this year, with Fernando Torres and Raul Meireles departing for Chelsea, but the owners haven’t been shy about spending money as well. In January, they shelled out almost 60m to beef up their attack with the signings of Luis Suarez and Andy Carroll, and they focused their big spending this past summer on midfield additions, landing Charlie Adam, Stewart Downing, and Jordan Henderson, the last two for fees well into the eight figures.

The jury’s still out on a few of their additions, but Suarez has certainly proven to be an excellent investment, and he’ll pose a real threat for United’s defense today. But despite all of the additions, many still consider ’the’ man for Liverpool to be Steven Gerrard, and after being sidelined by a groin injury since the two sides last faced off, he made his return to action last month and is set to make his first Premier League start of the season today.

Manchester United

While Liverpool welcome back their talisman, one of United’s key figures returns today as well, as Nemanja Vidic appears set to rejoin Rio Ferdinand in the center of United’s defense after missing the last two months with a calf injury.

He’s had some forgettable moments against Liverpool, but his return will be a significant boost for United, who have coped fairly well in his absence but have had some clear lapses as well, most notably in the 3-3 draw against Basel last month.

While Ferdinand and Vidic have had their struggles with injury this season, that’s served to create an opportunity for Phil Jones, and the youngster has certainly made the most of it. With the two stalwarts manning the middle today, he’ll slot in at right back, with Patrice Evra at his customary position at left back. That looks a bit more like it, no?

Elsewhere, it remains to be seen what formation Fergie will trot out, but one would think that it must include both Ashley Young and Nani, whose pace and trickery could cause some real issues for a defense that still looks to be the weak link in Liverpool’s side. Unfortunately, it appears to be a week too early to recall Tom Cleverley, but he should be fit and ready to go next weekend against City.

But the focus, quite naturally, is all on Wayne Rooney. However, it’s not for the excellent start he’s had to the season, or even for his return to his hometown, but for the red card he received against Montenegro in England’s last Euro 2012 qualifier and the three-match ban he’s received as a result, which, unless it’s shortened via appeal, will see him miss the group stage in next summer’s tournament. Let’s hope that he has the kind of excellent performance that returns the focus to his abilities. If he does, it will likely be a good day for United.


It’s worth noting that there hasn’t been a draw between United and Liverpool since a 0-0 draw in September 2005, and that’s the only stalemate between the two in the last 22 Premier League meetings.

So then, it would appear that a win one way or the other is the likeliest result. United haven’t had much luck at Anfield as of late, but that bad streak has to end sometime, and today is a fine, fine day to do it.

Score Prediction: Liverpool 1-2 Manchester United



  1. RedDevilEddy

    October 15, 2011 at 10:30 am

    Berbatov have started our last 3 games at Anfield, and all of those have been lost.

    Before that we had won 5 of our last 6 games there, the other being a draw.


    • AndyCR7

      October 15, 2011 at 3:19 pm

      How many matches did other regulars like Evra, Rooney, Ferdy, Vidic and VDS started? 🙄

      • RedDevilEddy

        October 15, 2011 at 4:09 pm

        Yeah and Berba didn’t play today and we didn’t lose for the first time since he arrived here. Your point against mine?

        • AndyCR7

          October 15, 2011 at 6:10 pm

          And I thought we didn’t drop point because of De Gea… Oh well… May be we would have won had Anderson started the game! 🙄 🙄 🙄

        • RedDevilEddy

          October 15, 2011 at 6:29 pm

          We would, I know we would! Anderson is God! :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

        • AndyCR7

          October 15, 2011 at 7:05 pm

          And Evra is the “best” LB in the world 😉

        • RedDevilEddy

          October 15, 2011 at 7:20 pm

          True story

  2. RedDevilEddy

    October 15, 2011 at 10:31 am

    Fucking pumped by the way, am going to watch this game at my friends house.

    He is a Liverpool fan, a really hardcore one too.

    I declare myself NOT guilty of any injuries that he may have tomorrow. 😆 😆 COME ON UNITED!

  3. Moscow is my heaven

    October 15, 2011 at 11:13 am

    Oh shut up Dalglish, as if this is ‘just another game’. Is it fuck?

  4. colver

    October 15, 2011 at 12:38 pm

    Man Utd: De Gea, Smalling, Ferdinand, Evans, Evra, Young, Jones, Fletcher, Park, Giggs, Welbeck. Subs: Lindegaard, Anderson, Rooney, Hernandez, Carrick, Nani, Valencia.

    Oh dear Oh dear Oh dear.

    Trust Ferguson to come out with a really defensive line up.

    We are playing eight defensive players (well if you count Evra who hasn’t been doing much defending recently). Young, Giggs and Welbeck are our only goal threat/source of creativity.

    I know we’ve been open and the last thing we want is a repeat of last season’s humiliation at the hands of Liverpool.

    But every game this season where we have played it safe we have got outplayed.

    I know it was the international break and we are generally poor after that. But Nani should be starting every single game. He is that good.

    • Craig Mc

      October 15, 2011 at 1:20 pm

      Young Giggs and Welbeck are our only source of creativity/goal threat??? Yeah right, and we have seen this 1st half how good they are at that – NOT!

  5. Don

    October 15, 2011 at 12:48 pm

    Looks like Evra was really pissed…i think Gerrard never shook his hand or something..I wonder what happened…

  6. Moscow is my heaven

    October 15, 2011 at 1:35 pm


  7. RMJ

    October 15, 2011 at 1:43 pm

    well people need to get over their football manager fantasy about jonesy and accept he is a great rightback and central defender but doesnt have the intelligence or awareness to play there

  8. Jay wire

    October 15, 2011 at 2:11 pm

    The thing that I hate about these games is, all the blame will be put on players, both on and off the pitch(trust me Berbatov will be criticised). This is a classical example of poor technical standards. How in the world are we supposed to attack? It’s either a too offensive line up or an ultra defensive set up. There’s never any balance in our tactics. After the game, someone will say “Welbeck was poor” or “Young is only good against average teams”. I say poor coaches. If you look at Liverpool’s line up and tactics, can’t really see anything odd. Look at ours and the first thing u think is “what the”

  9. gator

    October 15, 2011 at 2:17 pm

    Dive to get yer goal? Sounds like scouse. Shite to me

  10. gator

    October 15, 2011 at 2:24 pm

    Chichaaaaaaaaaaa where is everyone?

    • RMJ

      October 15, 2011 at 2:37 pm

      watching the game mate!

      • gator

        October 15, 2011 at 2:42 pm

        Redrant usually has 50 or so posts during a match like this?

  11. gator

    October 15, 2011 at 2:37 pm

    Where oh where is my cleverly ando midfield? 🙁 🙁

  12. RMJ

    October 15, 2011 at 2:41 pm

    Pathetic pathetic game…why the heck does fergie still start Fletcher when Carrick is still available fully fit? Its mind boggling. IF we had anyone, even Gibson is better option compared to Fletcher these days

    Oh the ref was cunt btw

    I feel sorry for Berbs but he knew he only had an outside chance to play this season but I guess he wants to wrap up his career here with us which I can understand

    • Craig Mc

      October 15, 2011 at 2:57 pm

      Well mate – Berba would have done a better fookin job at holding the ball up, and keeping possession than Welbeck will ever do IN AWAY GAMES. I would play Berba before Welbeck in away games anyday! I think Fergie is becoming like Walt Disney in his major CARTOON pickings for team formation and tactics 👿

  13. [OPTI]Madschester United

    October 15, 2011 at 2:42 pm

    Ferguson, you blew this one!!!!!!!!

    Pathetic lines and pre-game talking
    (1) Fergie says this is the worlds biggest game — and he leaves out Nani and Rooney (and Chicharito).
    (2) Fergie says this game is a draining game and he will only pick 100% fit players — so he picks 37-year old Giggs, and virus-stricken Fletcher and leaves out Rooney and Vidic.

    A JOKE!!!

    I am so tired of Fergie’s lack of mind-games… EVERY AWAY GAME!!!!

    • Craig Mc

      October 15, 2011 at 2:54 pm

      I’m with you mate – couldn’t agree with you more! Fergie is costing us points more than anyone else this season.

  14. [OPTI]Madschester United

    October 15, 2011 at 2:43 pm

    Did anyone else think Giggs was poor?

    • Craig Mc

      October 15, 2011 at 2:51 pm

      I always think Giggs is poor in the BIG games that count. Also it was obvious to every footie fan that we had our formation and tactics wrong, but I bet with my mates that Fergie would not change things until his usual 65th/70th minute – and I was right, because the boss is as tedious and easy to read as a mouse is to slip on an ice rink! 😀

      • tonymontanna4united

        October 15, 2011 at 5:22 pm

        Love giggsy, but im sorry, he just should not be starting games of this magnitude anymore. Great option to bring in the final 30 mins to change things but i think fergie forgets the guy is now 38, not 28. Hopefully once clevs gets back to fitness, it’ll be the bench for giggsy again, atleast in these type of games anyway.

        • Don

          October 16, 2011 at 2:06 am

          agreed Giggs is not a 90 minutes guy…you could see he was walking arounf in the last 30 min and that gaffe on the free kick was just him not concentrating and trying to see the game out…and to think GIggs and Park started the CL final against oh my…

  15. godzilla

    October 15, 2011 at 2:43 pm

    Snoozefest 1st half with narrow, defensive game probably from both sides. Welbeck alone upfront ! WTF was that lineup. No Nani, Roon, Vally, Berba, Owen. Strange. Draw was fair based on the game, though probably Pool had more chances than us. Shitty will go tops if they beat VIlla

    • Craig Mc

      October 15, 2011 at 2:47 pm

      Shitty will go tops until we beat them next week! If Fergie doesn’t play the cowards game again!

  16. Craig Mc

    October 15, 2011 at 2:45 pm

    Fergie got his tactics AND formation wrong AGAIN, and I’m getting fucking sick of it. Our lot did their proper version of BOLTON – defend for your life and hoof it up field wistfully. Welbeck on his own up front – COWARDLY decision and of no darn use at all. The SCOUSE gits were lucky to get the free kick that led to their goal, but they were very unlucky not to win the game. Still they don’t have a POACHER of the type of our Baby faced Hernandez – he scores goals better than Paul scholes 😉 😆 . Fergie grow some balls will you – and take at look at yourself re formations and tactics IN THE BIG GAMES! 🙄

    • tonymontanna4united

      October 15, 2011 at 5:20 pm

      Agree 100% craigy mate. His team selections are bloody mad at times, and whoever tells them to resort to long ball/hoof ball football when things are hard, really needs to be shot. Manchester United should never bring ourselves down to the level of the bolton, stokes of this world. Never. Unfortunately today though, that was all we saw for over an hour. Even the liverpool fans were heckling and lambasting us when we were hoofing it, i mean fucking liverpool.

    • Grognard

      October 15, 2011 at 6:54 pm

      Totally agree. This draw is totally on Ferguson for his cowardly ineptitude in selecting the right tactics and squad to play a match as big as this. Talk about helping Liverpool out. 🙄 🙄

    • Don

      October 16, 2011 at 2:09 am

      I think Fergie was happy with a draw on this one which is a shame…given the fact we’ve lost at Liverpool the last 3 years he wanted to come up with away with a point or maybe nick it at the end if possible….I think he also has an eye on next week’s crucnh Champions League game and next weekends Manchester derby as much more important games to win..I get it..but I don’t agree with it..I wish our squad was strong enough to chop aand change yet still get a positive performance out of the squad…a midfield of Fletch, Giggsy and Jones is just so uninspiring…

  17. [OPTI]Madschester United

    October 15, 2011 at 2:45 pm

    Liverpool are diving cunts!!!

  18. gator

    October 15, 2011 at 2:47 pm

    Still haven’t seen the contact from their free goal.

    Oh and none of the Beatles stayed in pool after they made a pound…

  19. Craig Mc

    October 15, 2011 at 3:00 pm

    Giggs you knobhead sometimes – you wouldn’t let Nani take the corner kick which you messed up, but the next corner kick which Nani did take from you Giggsy, Nani accurately found a United head which led to the United goal – put that in your pipe and smoke it!

  20. RedDevilEddy

    October 15, 2011 at 3:35 pm

    Decent point, Smalling is a beast. Seriously, fucking beast.

    No better goalscorer than Hernandez in Europe, but still think Welbeck should start ahead of him when we play Young, Nani, Anderson and Cleverley.

    Oh and the Scouse are diving cunts.

  21. ash is the man

    October 15, 2011 at 3:40 pm

    im confused and angry at what i just saw. What sort of line up was that? no excuses fergie you are slowly making me dislike you!!!!
    we were outplayed, dominated and looked far less passionate than liverpool, IM SO BLOODY ANGRY!!! and just why in the world would you leave a PUMPED up rooney out of a game of this intense magnitude???!!!
    Days and performances like this are destroying my love for the game!!!

    also the ref was a coward and liverpool will always be scum diving BASTARDS!!!! 👿

  22. RedDevilEddy

    October 15, 2011 at 4:27 pm

    Smalling, De Gea and Evans were our best players today, credit to Welbeck as well who moved really well and kept the ball up. Our first solid defensive display against a proper opposition this season, had it not been for an Adam dive and Giggsy being afraid to get hit in his manhood, we would have kept a clean sheet. Impressed by everyone besides Rio, who again played like shit.

    I can only imagine how good this team will look with Rio on the bench, and Vidic back to partner either one of Smalling and Jones. Orgasmic!

    Oh, why do people want Berba to start this game? You think he would have done a better job? “He’d hold the ball up”, oh please. Whenever he has played a big game away from Old Trafford since he arrived, it’s been like playing with 10 men. Webeck did well, no way Hernandez or Owen wuold have kept the ball and gotten others into play the way he did today. Good movement by Danny, only Rooney could have done better as a long striker and his head isn’t in the right place these days. We set out a team to work hard, stay solid defensivly and counter when we could. Kind of worked, actually. We couldn’t get Young involved when we moved forward, and the one time we did Jones got a completely free header. Park was drawn centrally too often to give us width on the counter, and Smalling focused on his defensive play. We didn’t get too many counter attacks right, but we were solid defensivly, but as said two mistakes, one provoced by Adam and the other by Giggs, stopped us from winning this one 1-0. Chuffed for Danny and Chicharito, I actually think they would make a brilliant partnership. Their movement would drive defenders to suicide!!!

    • tonymontanna4united

      October 15, 2011 at 5:15 pm

      Yeah smalling and in particular, de gea, were both quality today.Our only positives of the day id say, so fair play to the young lads.

  23. Craig Mc

    October 15, 2011 at 4:50 pm

    Eddi that team was SHIT mate and only really started to make things happen up front when the SUBS came on. Welbeck is no good on his own up front – never mate, not on that performance! But he shouldn’t have to play on his own, he should always be employed with another striker!

    • RedDevilEddy

      October 15, 2011 at 4:53 pm

      We were SHIT going forward, but solid defensivly. It’s not only about scoring mate, football is also about keeping the opposition at bay. Got no complaints about our defence today.

      Other than Rio.

      He was shite. 🙄

    • tonymontanna4united

      October 15, 2011 at 5:14 pm

      To be fair craig mate, i dont think we have one striker here who can properly play up on his own. Rooney can do a job, but hes really not at his best there, so i cant blame welbs too much there. Its fergie whose got to take the blame, as weve seen time and time again, anytime we go with 1 man up top regardless of whether its berbatov, welbeck, hernandez or rooney, we always see a flat, deflated performance, no where near our best. Just wish fergie would get it into his head, and never ever send out the team again with only 1 striker.

    • Grognard

      October 15, 2011 at 6:57 pm

      That starting line up was the worst I have ever seen starting a major game during the Premier League era. Seriously, after I saw the starting sheet I expected us to lose 3-0 or 4-0.

      • RedDevilEddy

        October 15, 2011 at 7:03 pm

        Seriously? I didn’t think we would lose at all, individually all of those players are greay. Young, Jones, Smalling, Welbeck, Giggs and Park are far from bad players, and when on form both Fletch and Evans are incredible competitors. The tactics though, let us down. 🙁 I still don’t see what we were playing. Was it a three in midfield, or was Giggsy winger together with Young? Or was Welbeck winger with Jones as a striker?

        We were all over the place, and missed Nani, Rooney, Chicharito and Anderson. A fit Cleverley wouldn’t be bad to have either. But like I said, I don’t think the team was as bad as so many of you make it out to be. It’s just the tactics that let us down.

  24. RedDevilEddy

    October 15, 2011 at 5:01 pm

    @Rio Ferdinand
    I think we need to step up the #stayonyourfeet campaign though…footballs becoming a non contact sport, the wind blows + people fall over!!

    You tell them Rio!

    • tonymontanna4united

      October 15, 2011 at 5:09 pm

      Yeah, suarez was bloody pathetic today. A strong gust of wind would have knocked him over im sure.

      • RedDevilEddy

        October 15, 2011 at 5:28 pm

        Think he’s talking about the Adam free kick, embarrasing to see a Scotsman do that. Dalglish and Fergie should be ashamed of him!

        Oh and Downing challenged Bosquets for “worst dive of the century”-award with his fall early in the first half. Fucking embarrasing play-acting! 🙄 🙄

        • Craig Mc

          October 15, 2011 at 7:45 pm

          Evra was totally farcical in the diving stakes too, with that swallow plunge at the goal line and rolling all over the place clutching his knee – nobody touched his bloody knee! I hate that kind of rolling that Evra did, and then he is up and runs like fuck – NO that is not on Evra – grow some will ya!

        • RedDevilEddy

          October 15, 2011 at 7:52 pm

          ARE YOU SERIOUS?!?! 😯 😯 Suarez kicked his knee, you know how much that hurts? Rooney got sent off for doing that shit, and he hit the player in the shin, where you at least have got protection. Getting kicked in the knee hurts like fuck, I know a lot of people who have gotten serious injuries by that shit. Dive? Na-ah, should have been a card for Suarez.

        • Craig Mc

          October 15, 2011 at 8:10 pm

          Eddi I watched the replays about 10 times, Squarehead caught Evra ON THE SHIN , the shin I tell ya? 🙄 😀

        • RedDevilEddy

          October 15, 2011 at 8:16 pm

          It was the kneee

        • RedDevilEddy

          October 15, 2011 at 8:16 pm

          The fucking knee I tell ya!! 😆 😆 😆

        • Craig Mc

          October 15, 2011 at 9:30 pm

          😆 😆 😆 😆 – ya don’t know your knee from your thigh bone – read up your anatomy Eddi 😀

  25. tonymontanna4united

    October 15, 2011 at 5:08 pm

    Well id like to think theres a lesson to be learnt from todays game, but unfortunately i think it will fall of deaf ears once again, as fergie never seems to take a blind bit of notice no matter how shite we play.
    But how many times, packing out the midfield with plodders like park, giggs and fletcher, with a lone man up top, playing hoof ball football in a style that sam allardyce’s old bolton side would be proud of, will fergie keep doing this before realising it just does not ever fucking work. Its not attractive football, infact its the type of football id personally be calling for points deductions for whoever plays it. Just not manchester united style football, and im sick and tired of saying that.
    How many times must we go to anfield, with exactly the same bloody system, the same bloody line up, the same bloody mentality, do precisely fuck all for 75 mins, and throw away precious points, because of fergies cowardice, and loving for italian style snoozeball football.
    Sick of it. Come on fergie, your bloody better than this. Your a sodding genius for christ sake, not gary bloody megson. But honestly sometimes i could sodding throttle you, i really could.
    I mean no nani, no rooney, no anderson, no partner for welbeck up top, giggs, park and fletcher in the same team 👿 I mean for fucks sake, were supposed to be bloody manchester united, not maidenstone united. Give them something to worry about from our team, rather than us pissing around and ruining our team in a manner that a 2 year old would be proud.
    The scousers were there for the taking as far as im concerned. Im not so concerned though that we didnt pick up the 3 points, as a point is still a decent one from anfield, i just hate seeing these types of performances that go with them, season in season out, always the bloody same.
    So please, enough of the negative italian shite please fergie. Get your bloody mojo back, grow some cojones and send the boys out to totally bloody take apart any SOB that stands in our way. Starting with the berties next week please.

  26. RedDevilEddy

    October 15, 2011 at 5:32 pm

    Really hope Cleverley and Vidic are back for the City game next week, can’t bear to watch Giggsy and Fletch in our midfield again! 🙄 And Rio should never start these kind of games again, the lad has totally lost it. When was the last time he actually played “decent”? 😕 😕 Shit against City, shit against Stoke, shit against Liverpool and shit against Basel. FUCK! Smalling should be first choice now.

    • Stephen

      October 16, 2011 at 1:08 pm

      Giggsy should never start a game unless it is a dead rubber, yes come on and settle things down but he simply getting too old.

  27. ash is the man

    October 15, 2011 at 5:38 pm

    4-1 to city 🙄
    whats the differnce in us getting 1 point or no point from anfield? the most important is 3 points, we should of started with all the big gun and just go for it, at least there is no shame in losing a fight when you actually try to fight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

    • RedDevilEddy

      October 15, 2011 at 5:43 pm

      The difference of a point?

      Well, had we lost we would have been level on points with City if we beat them next weekend. Which means second in the table if we only beat them by 1 goal.

      With a draw today we will be above them no matter how many goals we score against them as long as we win.

      A point at Blackburn won us the title in 2008.

      • godzilla

        October 15, 2011 at 6:20 pm

        No points at blackburn also made us lose the title in 2009-2010. we just need to win somehow at blackburn which should not have been difficult without rooney even. even a couple of points can make a difference at the end

        • RedDevilEddy

          October 15, 2011 at 6:31 pm

          We won’t win every game. No teams does that. We should try to win every game, but sometimes a point is enough.

          Don’t get me wrong, I am not happy that we went there looking for a draw. I just say we have to be realistic. Liverpool are no Wigan or Bolton, and Anfield is one of the toughest grounds you can go to. With United being their biggest rivals, and this being the biggest game of their season, you can’t expect us to just walk in to a win. We have lost three in a row there, getting a draw is a real improvement!

        • ash is the man

          October 15, 2011 at 6:49 pm

          @eddiee my point exacty, we have to TRY to win. our philosophy is to attack and our choice of players that we buy prove that, so no point in trying to play contain football because we cant, besides ATTACK is best form of defence

        • Craig Mc

          October 15, 2011 at 7:54 pm

          NO Eddi mi man, we proved in last 20 mins when all our subs were on that we could have murdered the scousers if we had played with just a couple of our subs to start the match. Our counter attack when other forwards were on to support Welbeck as he needed it, was bloody great. We would have got them with counter attacking genius IF Rooney, Nani and Little pea on much earlier – at least for whole 2nd half! Bet City won’t be playing just one striker against the top teams – City are copying United with fast playing wing width – they play OUR system better than we do at the moment, and considering Mancini is a italian who only knew defence before he came to England, that is no fookin mean fete!

    • Grognard

      October 15, 2011 at 7:05 pm

      That is my feeling entirely. Capitulating before the kickoff is not United ‘s style but it seems to have become a weakness in Fergie’s game planning over the past few years. I’d rather lose 4-3 than draw in the manner we did today.

      • RedDevilEddy

        October 15, 2011 at 7:19 pm

        When we lost 4-1 against Liverpool, or 3-1 there last season you were calling for Fergie’s head. Had we lost today you would have gone on a rampage! 😆 😆

        By the way, when we lost 4-1 against Liverpool we had 17 chances to their 5. They countered in 4 goals, while we dominated them with Rooney, Tevez and Ronaldo getting chance after chance. But after the game I remember you saying you wouldn’t enjoy the League title because of that loss. Come on mate, give it a break. Had we lost, no matter how, everybody would have been fuming or blaming him or that or her or their dog! 🙄

        • Craig Mc

          October 15, 2011 at 7:58 pm

          Hey mate – let Grog go on a rampage, I miss the rampaging Grog! 👿 😀 I don’t recognise the new improved Grog, I just want the REAL Groggy to stand up. 😉 😆

  28. Grognard

    October 15, 2011 at 7:00 pm

    Despite our manager’s cowardly and cautious tactics and squad selection, it’s not like we shut the door closed on Liverpool and were prepared to settle for a 0-0 draw. Liverpool still had a half dozen excellent chances to score while we had one chance in 90 minutes. So why not come out and attack their asses simply because they got their chances to score on us anyway. There are times when Fergie’s age and pragmatism really get in the way of this team reaching it’s full potential. You field a squad like this against a team like Swansea or Wolves, not Liverpool.

    • RedDevilEddy

      October 15, 2011 at 7:13 pm

      We created three chances, Liverpool created 6. One of which was a goal that never should have been in the first place, with it being an obvious dive from Charlie Adam. Henderson had two other chances, Suarez had one in the first half, although didn’t really come close in the second. Rooney did well to clear one, De Gea did well to save Kuyt’s effort, and their other chances were wasted shots from long range which never really threatened. From a defensive point of view we were exellent, especially Smalling and Evans. I’m delighted to see De Gea prove his doubters wrong, he really showed his qualities today.

      I don’t really see why everybody are getting their knickers in a twist? Yes we had negative tactics, but we did play well. Compare this game to Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool away last season. Then Liverpool again the season before that. Then look at how we did in our double winning season. We won at Liverpool creating only two chances, but lost to Chelsea and City because we only started with one fucking striker. Even our game against Eastlands last season was the most boring I’ve seen for some time, with both team settling for a draw. I know we have all been spoiled by United so far this season, but sometimes you gotta be realistic and settle for a point. I am not happy with a draw, but I can understand it and look at the positives from today. We got our first point at Anfield since 2007, it’s an improvement!

      • Andrei

        October 15, 2011 at 9:24 pm

        I think the reason for frustration is that many on this forum myself including believe that this year SAF has the players to take United to the next level. To start really dominating the league instead of outlasting the competition in EPL title run like they did last year. And you start by coming to Anfield with confidence and swagger to dominate the game and take all 3 points.

        • Craig Mc

          October 15, 2011 at 9:33 pm

          Spot on Andrei – your so right, agree with you wholeheartedly!

  29. Jay wire

    October 15, 2011 at 10:10 pm

    Exactly what I was thinking. We go for stupid cautious, no, cowardly and totally regressive tactics and still concede. So what’s the point? What if we had gone at least with a balanced approach. Someone screening the defence, partnered with a playmaker/attacking mid/box to box with two wide and two up top. How would that have left us vulnerable? Instead we pack the midfield for freaking Liverpool. I mean Liverpool. Who the heck are they? Look at our frontline. Rooney,Chicharito,Welbeck,Berbatov,Young,Nani,Valencia. Any 4-2 combination of these guys gives you unlimited firepower, but still gives you a competent defensive performance.

  30. Jay wire

    October 15, 2011 at 10:27 pm

    Sorry Eddy, I totally disagree. Why should we play negatively? Why should we fear them? Who are they in European football? So we pack the midfield for their world class attacking talents like, wait for it, Stewart Downing. Yes, Stewart Downing. Charlie Adam and Henderson. What?! Okay I know Suarez got talent, but really. There was a time I used to respect Liverpool. The days they had Alonso, Torres, Gerrard in one team. They are now just as good as a midtable team. And let’s not act like this has been an exception. We went to Stoke scared,Basel,Benfica. What did we gain from that?

  31. johnsom33

    October 15, 2011 at 10:44 pm

    Eddy I hear your argument, I just see it a different way. We didnt shut up shit, Liverpool were unfortunate to not score atleast 1 more. When we go all guns blazing we might let in the odd goal or three but we will score 5 or 6. Fergie had a glorious chance to humiliate liverpool in their own stadium and instead he put out one of the most disgusting lineups I have ever seen. Keegan said pre match that the line-up was disrespectful.

    The fact we played with 4 center backs, a left back and fletcher and park made me sick to my stomach. We didnt even show Barca that much respect in the Final.

    Rooney is without question the best player in the league and Nani is right behind him yet he keeps them on the bench. I also dont get why he kept giggs on the pitch over both Park and Young.

    It really pissess me off because I didnt even go out on the town last night because I wanted to watch this game live. For me that meant kick off was at 4:45 in the fucking morning. I thought I was still dreaming when I saw the team sheet, I thought surely it was a joke.

    For me their is simply no defense of the selection.

  32. RedDevilEddy

    October 15, 2011 at 11:27 pm

    Okey, so this is my general view on the game.

    First off, I don’t want to support the tactics. When I first saw the team, I was shocked. Couldn’t fucking believe it. But then I though about it, and here is what I gained from it.

    Rooney – Mentally unstable for such a game, both because of his suspension and his dad being arrested which really must have fucked his shit up.
    Chicharito – Jet Lagged.
    Nani – Heard he got an injury in midweek, and played both of Portugal’s games.
    Carrick – Can’t get a game anyhow this season.
    Cleverley – Injured.
    Valencia – Jet Lagged.
    Anderson – Here I’ve got no fucking clue, my idea is that he is being rested. We have two must-win games this coming week against Galati and Manchester City. If we win both, we have a great chance of progressing in the Champions League and we lead the Premier League table. Lose them both, and we are bottom of the group with only three games remaining, and 5 points behind City already. We face Everton away the following week as well, so it’s basically three very tough must-win games in the space of 10 days, which is really draining. Anderson has question marks over his fitness, so resting him today made A LITTLE sense to me when I thought about it this way. But I am still against the decision.

    Then our midfield. I don’t think anybody can have any complaints about our back four, as it was practically first choice. It’s always a toss up between Smalling and Jones these days, so can’t call anybody the backup. Our midfield was set out to run. Fletcher, one of the hardest workers in the team. Park, one of the hardest workers in the team. Young, one of the hardest workers in the team. Jones, a fucking warrior. Now, I’ve not been involved in this game myself but I remember Fergie saying pre-match that this was the most physically draining game during the course of the season, which is why he wanted only top fit players. I can see why he started with the four in midfield that he did, because they all run and fight and never give up a single ball. And because Cleverley is injured, Ando is being rested for the reasons I gave, and Carrick just being fifth choice or whatever in midfield these days, I don’t see how people can complain about that? What do you want, Gibson? 🙄 People have been screaming for Jones in midfield for months now, and I think he did a pretty good job! If anybody played badly it was Fletch, and he played two games for Scotland this last week. Young didn’t get no fucking support, but at least he defended resiliantly when we didn’t have the ball. He and Evra combined well a couple of times, and because of tiredness and unawareness they squandered a few easy chances to score. At least three times I saw Young on the edge of the Liverpool penalty area, with Evra making a great overlapping run. First time this happend, Pat made a great cross which created our biggest chance of our first half, where Jones headed wide from 8 yards. Second time, Young went for a shot, and the third time he played the ball too hard for Evra, who didn’t even make an attempt to reach it.

    Welbeck was a certainty for this game. He is on form, he was fresh, and he was my favorite to start the game. He has been great lately, and didn’t dissapoint today either. He held the ball up well, got Park and Young involved, and was involved in every attacking move we had today. He also got the assist for the Chicharito goal.

    Ryan Giggs though… I just don’t know. 🙄 This was his first start in the Premier League this season, and already he has three assists to his name. He’s also been heavily involved offensivly in the games he has started, getting 2 goals and 3 assists in his three games against Benfica, Basel and Leeds. He changed our game against Norwich two weeks ago, and with him being one of the freshest players in our squad I wasn’t surprised to see him start. But my God did he dissapoint!!! 😯 First off, I still don’t know what position he played. If he was supposed to be the holding striker, I never saw him close to, or combining with Welbeck. He was all over the pitch, places he shouldn’t be, and was at fault for our conceded goal by being afraid to get hit in his manlihood. He was a disgrace today, and because he never managed to link midfield with attack I saw Welbeck drop deep lots of times. Fucked up our whole system. It was basically like playing with ten men. And please people, don’t tell me Berba or Owen or Macheda or Paul Pogba would have made this better. We needed someone to link midfield with attack today, and we didn’t have it. Of course we could have used Welbeck as that guy, with Berba or Owen up front, but leading up to this game everything pointed in Giggsy’s favor. Berba and Owen(except Leeds) have dissapointed whenever given their chances this season, whereas Giggsy has impressed. Post match, yeah it may have been a bad decision, but hindsight is a nice thing innit! 🙄

    Then our subs. I don’t know if you guys noticed, but when Wazza came on he was played in midfield. Very calm, very patient, and nothing like the aggressive and determined Wayne we are used to see. Fergie is the best man-manager in history of football, and if he had a talk with Rooney feeling he could have been sent off today, or worse, I trust and support him in keeping him on the bench. Nani was fresh, skinned Enrique a couple of times, and tracked back. As soon as he came on we looked dangerous, and attacked at will, creating chances and he also took the corner which led to our goal. He looked determined, and I’m glad he came on to produce the goods. Had he started, he may not have lasted the whole 90 minutes, and we may never have scored. Thankfully we did, and he is a certain starter against City next week.

    Chicharito didn’t do shit besides score. Seriously. He came on for Phil Jones, who looked knackered(which says something about how tiering this games was), and whenever we got him involved he lost the ball. But of course, Chicharito is Chicharito. He is a poacher, a goalscorer, probably the guy you would most prefer to have in the penalty area when you swing a cross in. He only made one noteworthy thing today, and that was heading in the equaliser from Welbecks’s flick on Nani’s corner. Brilliant!

    Smalling, Evans and De Gea were my best men of the match today. Smalling stopped whatever came his way, Evans was flawless, and De Gea made three match-winning saves. Evra did well offensivly, and had some solid tackles, but had it not been for Young’s great covering we would have suffered. Rio was shite, pure shite, and his poor positining and lack of focus led to every Liverpool chance. But I’ll defend him on the goal. He touched Charlie Adam, but no-one besides Bosquets goes down by so little contact. It was a dive, and I felt the ref understood that as it should have been a yellow card and then off as it was a dangerous foul to give away. But he dived, and instead of getting a yellow card they got their goal. Fucking brilliant! 🙄 Rio is becoming a serious liability for us this season, and seems to be involved in every goal we concede. He is becoming this season’s Evra!! Smalling and Jones on the other hand keep shining like they are their own fucking galaxy’s, and having them two next to Vida in defence is something I’d love to see.

    Defensivly we were solid, besides Rio. He allowed Henderson the free header, didn’t close down Adam who took thee shot which led to Suarez being one-on-one width De Gea, and he gave away the foul for their goal. Evans was slow on the Kuyt thingy, but you can’t blame a defender too much for being a split-second too late on a perfectly timed run. That’s just attacking art. Standing unmarked in the box without any serious intelligent movement is just poor defending. Get it real Rio! #Stayfocused

    • RedDevilEddy

      October 15, 2011 at 11:35 pm

      You guys still disagree with me after that? Then I don’t have anything to say. I’m not defending Fergie, I’m just trying to understand why we did what we did and played with the team that we played.

      Start Owen, start Berba, start a Rooney that would guarantee a sending off! Start Nani or Chicharito, and they are fucking drained mentally and physically for the next two games, which are much more important than this one. Liverpool aren’t title contenders, far from it! City are. And the Champions League is a cup-competition, you either win or you get knocked out. Try to leave so called “pride” and fan-like views from this, getting a point today is alright considering everything.

      Liverpool players playing Internationals: Skrtel(?), Adam, Lucas, Suarez(last saturday), Kuyt and Downing

      United players playing Internationals: Evra(got injured), Fletcher(two games), Young, Jones, Welbeck, Rooney, Chicharito(Monday night in America), Nani(two games), Valencia. That’s 9 of ours against 6 of them, and Suarez even got a week’s rest. Kuyt and Skrtel I don’t even know if played, and if they did they only had one game.

      • [OPTI]Madschester United

        October 16, 2011 at 2:42 am

        I disagree because I think your assumption about a “must-win” game against nobody Olati (whatever they are called) is false. That team is championship material that would make even Bebe and Gibson looks like world-class stars….

        We should have gone with guns blazing today, rested stars for Champions League game (home, right?) and gone guns blazing against City.

        • RedDevilEddy

          October 16, 2011 at 9:16 am

          It’s an away game.

          Lose, and we have two points from three games. Bottom of the table.

          Win, and we have five points from three games and winning the home leg put’s us in a position where we caan qualify. We face Benfica at home after that, and finish with Basel away. No easy fixtures.

  33. Don

    October 16, 2011 at 2:18 am

    Yep I totally agree..Champions League and CIty next weekend are much more imporatnt than Liverpool…I see what Fergie was thinking…get through this game without losing and focus on the week ahead..basically if we don’t win midweek in the CL it will be very difficult to be first in the group let alone qualify! And city next weekend..nuff said…even with all that I was very disappointed by the team that was put out…I understand saving our better players but for me Fletcher just isn’t back to his best and GIggs should have been subbed off after 60 min….

  34. Don

    October 16, 2011 at 2:27 am

    DId anybody watch CIty’s game? Hargreaves 15 min cameo? He was very tidy on the ball and made some nice runs..he doesn’t have the driving runs yet but he is looking awfully good which makes me awfully jealous of not having him in our squad…he played it very safe but was very would be surreal if he came on next week during our game with CIty.

    I’m also very excited about a back four of Vidic, Jones, Smalling and some other very good left back…Smalling seems to rarely put a foot wrong and is a beast..loving him and Jones. For me Jonny Evans has shown improvement but for me is just not the level of Smalling, Jones or VIdic but is a useful backup nothing more. CAn we sign a left back already please?

  35. godzilla

    October 16, 2011 at 8:41 am

    Smalling rocks!!! Jones will rock!!! Evans needs to improve still but i think he still can rock. VIdic Smalling should be our best combination with Jones on the right. I am not sure why Fergie has not been starting Fabio on the right?

  36. Stephen

    October 16, 2011 at 12:57 pm

    Terrible performance, but what did we expect with that line up? Fergie should hang his head in shame, what happened to the swash buckling side of a few weeks back?!
    Playing a draw against the Dippers is a disgrace, yes try Jones in midfield but not against a top four team! Fergie made a massive error and we got away with it, just.
    Saurez is a racist cunt, fuck off you are not welcome in my Country, jeez I hoped this has been stamped out of the game, outragous.

  37. Stephen

    October 16, 2011 at 1:05 pm

    I have never been a big Fletch fan but how bad is he at the moment!?! Dare I say we need a midfield player!!!
    And Fergie please sell Berba, for his and our sake, he deserves to play football and we could do with the money….

    • johnsom33

      October 17, 2011 at 7:51 am

      agree 100%

  38. Stephen

    October 16, 2011 at 1:06 pm

    And well done David De Gea, you are now looking the part!!

  39. Moscow is my heaven

    October 16, 2011 at 4:06 pm

    I’ve had a mindfuck. I’ve just remembered that we didn’t sign any midfielders last summer.

    What the fuck were we thinking 👿

    • RedDevilEddy

      October 16, 2011 at 4:31 pm

      We were trying to be Clever(ley) 😉 :mrgreen:

    • Stephen

      October 16, 2011 at 5:03 pm

      I was suprised I must say, but as much as I batter him Anderson and Cleverley need a chance. Football is about opportunities and taking them, it is up them to seize their chance.

    • Moscow is my heaven

      October 16, 2011 at 5:19 pm

      I don’t get it though, couldn’t Sneijder/another midfielder and Cleverley co-exist?

      • Stephen

        October 16, 2011 at 5:26 pm

        I think so, but we have to give the players we have currently a chance. Anderson for me isn’t the player which some people believe he is, I hope I am wrong but recent games seem to compound my view. Cleverley looks like a super talent, Fletch and Carrick seem to be Fergie favorites, oddly enough and raw talents like Pogba may get chances.
        It is up to them to prove they have what it takes, this is Anderson’s last chance and Cleverley seems to have terrific potential. Lets give them a go, as I say it is a gamble but they need games to prove it either way.

        • RedDevilEddy

          October 16, 2011 at 5:37 pm

          I agree. This is very much a transition year, and although we have started in incredible fashion we still have to remember that this season sparks a change in the guards. Out is Van Der Sar, Scholes, Neville, Brown, O’shea, Scholes, and to some extent Berbatov and Giggs. Coming in we have De Gea, Cleverley, Jones, Smalling, Evans, Welbeck and maybe even Pogba eventually. Morrison is a great prospect as well! We have asked for a change, a chance to see the youngsters given a chance for many years now, and finally we are getting it. We may not win everything this year, but if given time these youngsters may help forming the best team in the world one day.

        • Stephen

          October 16, 2011 at 7:05 pm

          They need games and if we don’t give them a chance they will leave, Jones, Smalling, Welbeck, Chicharito, Cleverley and Anderson have all at times shown us something. With young players you get inconsistancy, but like Nani and Ronaldo to soem degree it bares fruit with time.

  40. Spizzy

    October 16, 2011 at 5:48 pm

    How nobody has mentioned this is quite suprising. We had 4 good games at season’s start. We’ve had 6 bad/terrible performances after that, yet everyone keeps referencing those four like they are the defacto way we play. In hindsight the only serious opposition of thd four was spurs,with their certain mvp missing.It was fine the first game at europe, we were going to bounce back,bt its now getting silly,six games later the excuse doesnt hold up.this is no bad day at the office, this is the norm, the first four games were a false dawn. I can’t honestly believe that we are relying on a 21 yr old who is still learning his trade to improve our performances. Way to much pressure on young shoulders.

  41. redddd

    October 16, 2011 at 6:47 pm

    After the initial mindfuck at United’s starting line-up and the match, it is becoming more clearer that Fergie was right. Indeed, the Champions league game against the Romanian side (away game) is much more important than the Liverpool clash. Indeed, I am sure if we had won against Basel at home, Fergie would have fielded a stronger line up at Anfield (maybe rooney/hernandez in and Nani on bench). Moneywise, Champions League is on a different level to the Liverpool clash which are hardly our direct rivals anymore.
    Once again, Fergie makes a sensible decision. I agree that a few things could have been done better. I would have personally preferred Nani to play instead of Young. Nani is capable of coming up with some stunning goals on his own (ala Ronaldo was used in away games), while Young didnt do much. Jones could have covered for Nani.

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