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United Stumble in Daylight Robbery

“How did Manchester United not win this game?” is the question on everyone’s lips after an amazing 1-1 draw at Old Trafford between the Red Devils and the Geordies from Tyneside. United created tons of chances, with everything from a great goalkeeper and posts, to miraculous goal-line clearances keeping them at bay. It must be frustrating for United to see their two best performances in a while end in draws, after strangling out poor 1-0 wins for many games running now.

As United-Newcastle games go it was a fairly entertaining game as both sides played well, and all players performed their duties admirably well. But what did the separate teams go out to do exactly?

United’s central midfield pairing was the same at it was for the latter stages of last season, with Giggsy and Carrick filling the roles in the middle. Rio and Vidic again found themselves protecting David De Gea, with Evra and Fabio taking up the full backs. And with Young returning for his first Premier League game since City, partnered by Nani on the other wing, there was one thing United was going to focus on today – Width! We saw how well Nani and Valencia did in midweek creating tons of chances, but if there is one thing we lacked before the Benfica game it was overlapping full backs. Jones, for all his raids, is not a good crosser of the ball, and the same goes for Chris Smalling. This makes it even more difficult for Nani, as he often finds himself two or three against one. Park does not offer much width on the left wing either. So with Fabio and Young getting back in the team we were going back to the traditional Manchester United way of playing by getting it wide with all winged players bombing forward.

It did not quite work in the first half, although Newcastle went with the same approach they did against City last weekend. Guthrie and Cabaye really forced our hand in the middle, and their main pressing came at the middle of the park. When we managed to get the ball wide we looked more dangerous, but it did not really come from the left side. Evra seemed to back off when the opportunity of going forward arrived, probably fearing Obertan’s pace. The big-headed Frenchman stuck to his attacking duties and did not track back at all during the first half, and with Guthrie and Simpson taking care of Young we did not get forward from the left side. Giggsy’s movement was kept central, and he got our best chance of the half. Obviously not fearing the pace of Gutierrez, Fabio was able to overlap time and time again, and it was his great cross that met Giggsy’s flick and forced Krul into a great save. Rooney and Hernandez were easily contained by Collochini and Taylor, although the little Mexican managed to create more room for roaming players by standing high up the pitch. He got to a few shots, none of which really threatened the Newcastle goalkeeper.

Although Obertan was not really a feared figured during his time at Manchester United, he does have some pace about him. With Newcastle doing all their pressing in the middle, their only attacking work would come from the wings. Gutierrez on the left chance never really got there, as Ryan Taylor kept back and Cabaye kept his focus on Young and Rooney. Obertan became the main figure, and all their attacks went through him. Evra, knowing he does not possess any end product, let him run into areas where he forced his hand. Only one time did Obertan deliver an “acceptable” cross, which led to a Cabaye shot from 20 yards hit straight into the hands of De Gea. Newcastle rarely threatened, and it came as no surprise that United took the lead early in the second half.

Again, our attack started on the right side, where some wonderful interchanging passes between Rooney and Nani ended in a free kick from just outside the area. As Rooney lined up to take the free kick, you could see Taylor creeping back to his post. Hernandez saw this, and got him closer to the goal. Rooney’s first shot was poor, but his second shot was cleared into the stomached of a Hernandez, who had gotten almost criminally close to Krul and Taylor, and into the goal. Newcastle were now forced to attack and got their equaliser from a, let us call it “soft”, penalty. The less said about it the better…

From this point on, the match exploded! Alan Pardew’s decision to sub off Obertan helped us an awful lot, as Evra was now able to help out Young in attack. We became more dangerous from the wings, and it is a shame that none of our forwards are able to get themselves in a position at the back post following a Young cross. How often have you seen Ashley deliver the ball to the back post, with no-one there? It is frustrating to say the least, but we were getting forward and creating chances. Fabio and Evra both had close efforts, and United should have had a corner when Taylor’s brilliant tackle stopped Young from poking the ball into an empty net. Fabio and Evra were both bombing forward, with Giggsy helping out on both wings now. During the first half we had seen the Welshman only centrally, but after Gutierrez’ stupid red card he was bombing on both wings, swinging crosses in. Vidic, Macheda and Hernandez all got on the end of them, only to see them either wide or hit straight at Krul.

Rooney was disappointing when on the ball, but without it he was vital for our attacking play. He manages to drag two or three defenders on him, leading to more room for his strike partners. Hernandez had a header blocked on the line by Simpson, after Young had hit the post minutes earlier. How we did not score five or six in this game was unbelievable, as Newcastle did not really defend well. They seemed nervous when they had the ball, and when we got it wide it seemed like nobody knew who to mark in the middle. They rode their luck though, and managed to leave Old Trafford with a point. United fans should be delighted to see a performance like this again, although the result is not much to show for. Finally we are seeing the attacking, free flowing Manchester United again, and if not for a ridiculous penalty it could have been another clean sheet.

In hindsight, there can be questions asked about United’s prolific instinct in front of goal. But let me ask you, how can you score on days like this? We were never going to score from central areas as Newcastle packed that. They always had two or three men on Rooney, and although the Englishman had a poor performance it was he that created our only goal of the game. There were not many great options on the bench, although we got more danger in the air by bringing on Macheda. Had Fletcher played, we may have gotten more deep runs into the box, but we would have missed the crossing of Giggsy. Carrick played really well, but I wonder if he would have finished the game if we had Fletch on the bench. When we were swinging crosses in, Fletcher would have been a much bigger threat than Michael, who has not scored since January 2010.

Our next game is away to Villa, which should be an entertaining encounter. The current Villa side have not impressed anyone so far this season, and have conceded countless goals from crosses swung into the box. Do not be surprised if you see Fabio starting again next week, his runs are vital for this team.




  1. Jaylani

    27 November 2011 at 06:36

    fair article except for carrick. he lost the ball so many times and luckily it was agst newcastle…..and not against barca, madrid or the current bayern munich. giggs experience helped in the middle bt he is not a midfielder…..but he is better than the midfielders we have….. u would know things are bad in mid when u see gibson on the bench

    • Mountfort

      29 November 2011 at 04:56

      I thought Carrick was really strong in the last couple of games. Back to his better form, and with a agile partner I think he can anchor our midfield.

  2. Jaylani

    27 November 2011 at 06:56

    fletcher is no threat mate! he is a hard worker. thats all. he doesnt thread neat balls, start attacks nor is he a player that opposition fear. in fact technical players actuali enjoy playing agst fletch carrick gibson so much becoz they can interchange passes freely. they can loop the ball behind them….make quick one twos…. go across them with ease. they are not threatening at all. they dont even have the physical strength like a fellaini or the bite of hargreaves. they are just there to fill that role. i just feel we should buy someone with presence in the middle and an artist in the middle whom the opposition will change tactics for. someone clever and safe with the ball. someone who can create something from nothi g when the going is tough. someone who will raise the rest of the players. cleverley has been v.impressiv bt is injury prone. its sad to hear fergie saying there is nothing wrong with our midfield

    • RedDevilEddy

      27 November 2011 at 11:36

      I don’t think you got what I meant… One of Fletchers best attributes is getting in the box unnoticed when we swing them balls in, just as he did against Benfica. When we are so dominant, we might as well have gotten another treat in there.

  3. Ahmed Yusuf Kagara

    27 November 2011 at 07:42

    Fergie knows the truth, he is just shying away from it. Even a novice knows that the problem of United is 40% in the midfield and Fergie must make amends lest he be disgraced like the last CL final Fergie is using his past successes in the club to becloud his mistakes and errors.

  4. Stephen

    27 November 2011 at 09:57

    Goood write up Eddie, we need to score more goals especially at home. We are five points better off this season than last, one defeat this season is impressive. City at some point will drop points, they are playing very well but it is a long season. We need to get Cleverley back, we will not sign anyione in the window and we rely of our strikers for goals. The midfield need to contribute more goals, yesterday was one of those days I guess……

    • RedDevilEddy

      27 November 2011 at 11:43

      Yeah, I agree. But funny thing is, midfield has started getting more goals this season. Ando is on two, same with Fletch. Carrick will never score, yesterday was the first time since 2009 I’ve seen him in the opposition area! Cleverely has had many chances this season, I remember him missing a one-on-one against Arsenal and a shot just outside the area against City in the Charity Shield. I really think Fergie regrets not having Fletcher on the bench, his movement in the box could have been vital. It’s not often I praise Fletch as I think he is a very limited player, but offensivly this is his biggest asset. He doesn’t possess a great shot, but he has taken on that Scholes attribute of arriving late in the box. When we swung in crosses time and time again last night, we may as well have used him…. Too bad he wasn’t on the bench.

      • Stephen

        27 November 2011 at 11:45

        😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 Carrick gets a nose bleed if he moves from the centre circle!

        • RedDevilEddy

          27 November 2011 at 11:47

          😆 😆 😆 😆

  5. Owen

    27 November 2011 at 11:36

    It is time to exchange Nani for Sneijder.

    • Stephen

      27 November 2011 at 11:42

      I would rather have them both mate, but we don’t need Sneijder we have Anderson….

      • RedDevilEddy

        27 November 2011 at 11:45

        I’d rather have Scholes in place of Gibson, is that too much to ask for? 🙁

        • Stephen

          27 November 2011 at 11:47

          We should give Pogba a game, he has great potential and what have we got to loose?!

        • Owen

          27 November 2011 at 11:57

          Now where are those Young’s Supporters .Never seen a more over rated player.

        • RedDevilEddy

          27 November 2011 at 12:16

          I’m here.

        • RedDevilEddy

          27 November 2011 at 12:20

          Well… We could lose Pogba, if he’s still weak mentally. That’s the only thing I can see holding him back. Great player, and definately should be given a chance here. But if he isn’t mentally ready, we could destroy him for life! I think Fergie is smart to be cautious here, we have a very rare talent and we need to groom him right.

          He’ll get his first United start against Crystal Palace on tuesday, looking forward to see how he does!

  6. Owen

    27 November 2011 at 12:05

    I still remember that Llajic situation.Fergie told he will stop Gibson’s development.Fergie there is no Llaijic now.Bring that lad.Your excuses for not signing players is the most boring and irritating thing for me.

    • RedDevilEddy

      27 November 2011 at 12:17

      He’s not doing too well at Fiorentina, why would he do it here?

      • Owen

        27 November 2011 at 12:30

        I am not saying why he is not here.I want to say that was a poor excuse.Gibson was never going to be a great player.

  7. Owen

    27 November 2011 at 12:44


  8. Craig Mc

    27 November 2011 at 12:50

    Anyone know what time the L’Pool/wastelander game is please lads – as I am banned from watching tv or radio listening until then 😆 😆 😆 – women eh?

  9. Moscow is my heaven

    27 November 2011 at 12:58

    The best thing that could possibly happen today is that donkey cunt Dzeko scoring an own goal which gifts the scousers all 3 points and a complete last minute punch up resulting in season ending injuries for Silva, Aguero and Toure.

    Then a meteor shower on Anfield 😈

  10. RedDevilEddy

    27 November 2011 at 15:40

    This is a very sad day for football. I was totally shocked by the news of Gary Speed, although he played for the cunts from Leeds he was a footballer I always respected. Most Premier League apperances together with Giggsy and David James, and from what I’ve read around he was a great person to be around as well. May his soul rest in peace. 🙁

    • Craig Mc

      27 November 2011 at 18:06

      I agree Eddi – Gary Speed was a very likeable bloke – RIP.

      Ballotelli is a right planker – he did nothing but foul from the minute he came on. ” yellows means just one game ban doesn’t it, or was it a yellow then straight red he got? A good few of the wastelanders do not appear happy with their lot – Nasri was furious to be subbed, as was Aguero not happy either. Mancini schoolmasterish glare and disapproval towards Ballotelli – so good to know the disharmony in the wastelander camp isn’t it? 😆 😆 😆 Watching the City fans just getting into their polish backs to the crowd after they took lead – quickly followed by a total silence within seconds – PMSL at them!

      • RedDevilEddy

        27 November 2011 at 18:23

        When the going gets tough, the tough get going.

        And City are soft as fuck!

  11. RedDevilEddy

    27 November 2011 at 17:57

    HOLY FUCK WHAT A GAME THAT WAS!!!! Great result for us, a draw was perfect. People, please… Try to compare how our game at Anfield was compared to City. Although Liverpool got a fluke goal, City got totally hammered. We were just poor.

    Best team in the League? Suck my asshole bitches!!

  12. Eddie

    27 November 2011 at 18:03

    Didn’t gain any points this weekend, but we didn’t lose any either in a situation we very well could have.

    Need to get it done against Villa next weekend, and then take advantage the next couple of weeks if City drop points against Chelsea and/or Arsenal, since we’ve got Wolves and QPR. Big few weeks this is.

    • Craig Mc

      27 November 2011 at 18:11

      I think Lady Luck our best supporter DESERTED us at OT yesterday, but true to form turned up at Anfield today to even the odds in our favour! 😀

      • RedDevilEddy

        27 November 2011 at 18:18

        They shut down our width at Old Trafford, fearing us. We had fucking 80% possession in the first half, as long as they blocked down our wings they didn’t care what else happend. If only we’d have had a long range shooter, neither Ando or Fletch managed to do shit that game. Well, except for our goal. They scored 5 counter attacking goals against us, and one from a corner. Today they scored from a corner, and their only two other chances came from counter attacks. It’s so cowardly. Don’t buy into the “City are the best attacking team in the League”, they are the most Italian team you’ll find around! They’ve gotten 7 penalties this season, no fucking wonder they score so many goals! 🙄

        Mancini said last season that he underestimated Liverpool. He did the same today. He didn’t fear them as much as he feared us, and it nearly paid.

    • Moscow is my heaven

      27 November 2011 at 18:11

      I see this weekend as an opportunity missed. City were practically on their knees this weekend after their exhausting defeat in Naples, and faced a trip to Anfield whereas we had a home tie. Silva could have easily scored a late winner, so could be worse I suppose.

      Arsenal will end Man City’s unbeaten run in the league, you heard it here first.

      • Craig Mc

        27 November 2011 at 18:15

        I hope you are right Moscow – that would indeed be sweet, but Aston Villa – will we mess it up and end up with another draw – hope our strikers are striking again – otherwise – well you know don’t you? 😆

        • RedDevilEddy

          27 November 2011 at 18:19

          Villa are really poor this season. They play a 5-3-2 formation with Heskey on the left wings, if we don’t win that game it will be a travesty!

        • Moscow is my heaven

          27 November 2011 at 18:21

          I don’t have much confidence in any of our departments at the moment Craig mi man, including our manager! It was disturbing to hear him speak about his plans to do fuck all in January.

          We haven’t done well at Villa Park, and I can’t see that changing unless Rooney wakes the fuck up and Nani is given the freedom of the pitch to do as he pleases. We have got to capitalise with City going to Stamford Bridge!

        • Craig Mc

          27 November 2011 at 18:29

          Well some little consolation Moscow is that our last two games there has been good improvement. We really won that game yesterday – and the officials totally responsible for the draw. Against Benfica we should have had that game won after we went 2-1 up, but for Rio’s slip and dodgy defending. Maybe our time for a good run is just around the corner. If we can win our games, and Chelsea Arsenal and spurs take points of City – well we may be level on points by Christmas! Lets hope eh?

        • RedDevilEddy

          27 November 2011 at 18:30

          2-0 up?! You still drunk mate? 😆 😆 😉

        • Craig Mc

          27 November 2011 at 18:35

          😆 😆 😆 😆 Yeah a typo – soz, I guess you read it before I edited!

    • RedDevilEddy

      27 November 2011 at 18:14

      I swear to God City are so one-dimensional it’s discusting. They only try to get through the middle, or on the counter. Barry didn’t do shit, Yaya didn’t do shit, and Silva was stopped full-time by Lucas. No change in tactics whatsoever. When your midfield is stopped by Charlie Adam and Jordan fucking Henderson, how the fuck can you be praised that highly? They’ve got no width, and whenever Richards is stopped from attacking they only have Silva. Only! You could see they didn’t fear Liverpool’s width, and it nearly paid off. As soon as Liverpool started playing wide City got fucking hammered! If only they’d be as nonchalant against us… 🙁 Three men on Young and Nani every fucking time, today they let everyone in red get in crosses.

      Tactical knobheads, fucking hell if they win the Premier League it’s an outrage! 🙄

      • Moscow is my heaven

        27 November 2011 at 18:25

        They had to be wary of the greater Liverpool threat from the centre of the pitch, Lucas alone is a better midfield unit than Anderson and Fletcher combined, and Suarez is Anfield’s new one man frontline, much like Torres was in his first 3 seasons for them.

        They will play exactly the same tactics at the Etihad against us as they did at Old Trafford, and I can’t see us do a thing about it. If City are just threatening from the centre at the moment, we are threatening from nowhere.

        • RedDevilEddy

          27 November 2011 at 18:29

          Difference is we learn from our mistakes. City don’t. We don’t enter games arrogantly, and it wouldn’t surprise me if Fergie has learnt from his mistakes that day. We’ve seen how he has outclassed Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool following heavy defeats, and except for the Barca game in May I can’t remember seeing him make the same mistake two times. He’ll be vary of City’s tactics, we hadn’t really seen their ultra-defensive approach before it. They didn’t do it during the Charity Shield game, so it definately came as a surprise. Really looking forward till that game, wanna see what Fergie does!

        • Moscow is my heaven

          27 November 2011 at 18:33

          What worries me Eddy is that even if we come up with the right tactics, but much like the rematch against Barca, do we have the personnel to pull it off? Wingplay is our bread and butter, but how are we going to have a plan B?

        • RedDevilEddy

          27 November 2011 at 18:40

          We were really unlucky against Benfica, it was amazing that we didn’t win! Wrote my insight here, have a look:


        • Stephen

          28 November 2011 at 09:01

          Agreed, Lucas is one of the most underated footballers in the Country, can’t stand the git but very effective.

  13. Craig Mc

    27 November 2011 at 18:13

    Can anybody explain to me why Gerrard is always fit to play against United, but was not fit for yonks before the United game at Andfield and not since his game against us 🙄

    • RedDevilEddy

      27 November 2011 at 18:15

      Injections. They don’t care whether their captain is out for all season as long as he’s fit for their cup final against us. Discusting. 🙄

      • Craig Mc

        27 November 2011 at 18:20

        Yeah true! 😆

  14. RedDevilEddy

    27 November 2011 at 18:21

    I don’t know if anyone’s seen this, but Shay Given cried before the the Swansea game today. Respect to the lad, one of Speed’s best mates when they played at Newcastle. I get shivers only thinking about it, so sad…. 🙁

  15. RedDevilEddy

    27 November 2011 at 18:24

    Aston Villa have let in 70% of their goals this season following crosses.

    We have scored 60% of our goals from crosses.

    Looks good if you ask me!

    • Craig Mc

      27 November 2011 at 18:33

      Depends whether we play our midget forward line or not 😀

      • RedDevilEddy

        27 November 2011 at 18:38

        Already predict Fletch to start the game! 😀

  16. RedDevilEddy

    27 November 2011 at 18:37

    Just as an example of how Fergie knows how to change tactics by opponents, we just have to look at the Arsenal game. We usually rely on width for most games we play, but we didn’t really go for it that game. Arsenal set a high line with their defence, and we scored all goals coming centrally. Same went for the Shalke games last season, and the second half against City in the charity shield. Having the ability to interchange between play wide, AND play through or “over” teams is something that makes this club as succesful as it is. Hope we have Cleverley fit for the game at Etihad, could prove vital!

  17. colver

    27 November 2011 at 18:42

    Eddy, every team is one dimensional. Being one dimensional does not mean you do not deserve to win a league. Besides you contradicted yourself by saying they play through the middle or on the counter. last time I counted that is two dimensions.

    If anything we are one dimensional. We are not the counter attacking force we used to be. And we are very reliant on our wide players-something City took advantage of in our game against them.

    Hell even Barcelona can be classed as one dimensional. Tika-taka football and give the ball to Messi.

    I agree City are not in the same league as some of the continental sides or the great Premiership sides such as Mourinho’s Chelsea, our European championship winning teams and Arsene’s Invincibles. But we should not take them lightly either.

    There is no shame in drawing with Liverpool. They have always been a cup team capable of very good one-off performances. They spanked us last season. And City are capable of off-days just like every team in the world. Especially after a combination of an international break and a European hangover. An away draw against Liverpool despite being down to ten men for part of the game is a respectable result. Don’t forget they are still unbeaten in the league.

    Lets sort out our own problems rather than criticizing City.

    We played much better the last couple of games. Really we should have beaten both Benfica and Newcastle. Both games were at home. The positive is on both occasions were the better side and created more chances. The negatives are we still make defensive slips (Benfica) and we still lack that genuine matchwinners capable of making a difference against determined sides….that something that players like Scholes, Cantona and Ronaldo used to give us. Nani can sometimes get us out of jail but I still see him as more of a team player than an individualist.

    I really do not want us to fall into the trap of countless draws like last season. This season we won’t be able to get away with it.

    • RedDevilEddy

      27 November 2011 at 19:03

      There aren’t many top teams in the world that are one-dimensional. Barca, for all their beautiful play, have different ways of playing. Although playing tiki-taka, they have aren’t like Arsenal who never shoot from distance. They can play wide as well, as they did when they beat Real 5-0 last season. If you pack their midfield, they’ll have wings that can punish you. Bayern rarely score two similar goals, and if there is anything that goes against them it’s their versitality! They don’t really have a system, and if everything works out they can beat any team. If not, they’ll look really poor. Real play differently every game, and that’s because of the magnificence of Jose. Up until last season it was easy figuring them out, but now Mourinho have given them different dimensions. And there is reason why Serie A has fallen so drasticly, you look at how Milan played in 2007 and then in 2010 and you see that both on-, and off-the ball tactics have fallen. It’s predictable.

      We have many flaws, that I’m aware of. Our midfield can improve, but we are able to change tactics if necessary. We may not be the counter attacking force we were before, but we’ve have added better pressing, which force teams back and let’s us win the ball high up the pitch. It’s not as good as Barca, but it’s definately the best we’ve had during Fergie’s time. We’re yet to see whether we can be as good on the counter as we were in the past, but knowing Fergie I wouldn’t be surprised if we see that type of approach later during the season. It worked against Chelsea and Marseille last season, so we’ll see.

      I’m not saying City are a bad team. I’m just saying that they aren’t as good as people make them out to be. They are definately not unbeatable, and not the attacking force people make them out to be. The best defensive team in the League, yes, but offensivly? Still yet to be desired if you ask me.

  18. RedDevilEddy

    27 November 2011 at 18:42

    Really looking forward to see City face Spurs and Stoke, they’ll really suffer if Mancini doesn’t sort his tactics out.

  19. colver

    27 November 2011 at 18:44

    Eddie we were only able to play through the centre earlier this season because of the Anderson-Cleverley combination and even that combination was defensively suspect…early season we had the most shots against our goal compared to any side. Of course occasionally it works. But for the bulk of last season and the season before we were playing wide and had no Plan B.

    • RedDevilEddy

      27 November 2011 at 19:05

      They were defensivly susepect, yes. But that’s just as much because of using a backline of Smalling, Jones, Evans and Evra. I’m dying to see us play that front-line/midfield with Vidic in there! Could be monstrous… 😀

  20. Yang

    27 November 2011 at 18:48

    Hew lucky result from Pool usual game raiser. Rooney and Co count themselves as lucky. Those all missed shots are just crime stuff.

  21. RedDevilEddy

    27 November 2011 at 19:44

    Balotelli ruined the dressing room door at Anfield after getting sent off.

    Couldn’t. Make. This. Up.

    • gator

      27 November 2011 at 21:13

      couldnt figure out the door nob im sure… 😆

    • Stephen

      28 November 2011 at 08:59

      Balotelli is an idiot,he is what is wrong with football. Over paid, overrated and over here, I can’t stand him. His haircut is also ridiculous..

  22. Craig Mc

    27 November 2011 at 21:27

    Wouldn’t surprise me if Ballotelli isn’t running back to Italy soon vowing not to return ALA TEVEZ.

    Wonder who will be playing for us in the Tuesday game against Crystal Palace. Gibson maybe? Michael Owen is usually our certain goalscorer – but he is still injured – right? Valencia will probs play, Park, Smalling, and our great Danish keeper – who I love his attitude by the way. Zaki Fryers might get another game and a few other youngsters – somebody said Pogba was earmarked to play. We don’t want another draw at home thats for sure. Evans will probs play with smalling.

    • RedDevilEddy

      27 November 2011 at 22:50

      I think Berba, Rafael, Pogba, Fletch and Valencia are definate starters. Maybe Jones and Evans as well. Hope to see more of Fryers!

  23. Robbie

    27 November 2011 at 21:29

    Looking very forward to the palace game…I hate to be negative but I envision the likes of gibson and park to once again get in ahead of more talented players like pogba and morrison.I really wouldn’t mind seeing a full side of mediocres as we usually play but with the inclusion of those two from the start rather than 20 minutes.

  24. Stephen

    28 November 2011 at 09:05

    I hope Fegie goes with Pogba and Morrison against Palace. We really have nothing to loose and everything to gain in playing them. I am not bothered if we go out, but if we give two of our most promising youngsters some first team football them all the better. They may become the break through players we all want and need them to be, please Saffy give them a game!

    • Ian

      28 November 2011 at 09:54

      Look out for Wilfred Zaha if he plays for Palace on Wednesday. Young and a bit aimless at times but he’s fast and can finish. His record in CC this season is 4 games, 3 goals, 4 assists. Not bad. I like the look of him everytime I’ve seen him.

  25. Craig Mc

    28 November 2011 at 15:19

    Fergie has 6 reserve players training with the 1st team squad at the moment – says he has been told these 6 players are good enough for the 1st team. Paul Pogba, Ravel Morrison, Zeki Fryers, Jesse Lingard, Larnell Cole and Michael Keene. Should all be shunted into 1st team oportunities, or just some – who do you think is ready, and who isn’t quite there yet. If you watch the reserves regularly – you will have a good idea what level/standard these lads are at? 😀

    • Ian

      28 November 2011 at 21:24

      Morrison’s ready, the rest are somewhere between nearly ready and way off I reckon.

      • Craig Mc

        28 November 2011 at 21:33

        I wouldn’t know about Morrison – as he seems to have been missing from a good few reserve games I have watched – but most fans say he has a lot of skill and ability – if he knuckles down now and takes things seriously. I like Fryers definately, and Michael Keene, but Keene hasn’t really had a chance yet with 1st team outings – so I wait and hope. Pogba I like, but again not sure if he can step up and establish himself just yet – but a lot of clubs are after him – soooooo they must be seeing something.

        • Stephen

          29 November 2011 at 11:42

          Both players contacts are expiring and could leave. Why don’t we just play them? If we don’t I guarentee you another could would, both have great ability. What have happened to the though “if you are good enough, you are old enough”

  26. RedDevilEddy

    28 November 2011 at 17:25

    I love Lindsey Stirling!!

  27. RedDevilEddy

    28 November 2011 at 17:42

    Tom fucking Cleverley has got on the fucking tweeet-machine, follow his bollocks off!

  28. Stephen

    29 November 2011 at 11:47

    We have been linked to Rasmus Elm for £13m?! Can anyone shed any light on him, Trav, Eddy is he any good!?!?!

    • RedDevilEddy

      29 November 2011 at 13:02

      Not good enough if you ask me. Only seen him a few times, but hasn’t impressed me in any of the games. Not the one we should be looking for, but who knows?

      • RedDevilEddy

        29 November 2011 at 13:11

        Not that he’s not a good player, he is. He does better for Sweden than what Zlatan does, but I doubt his credentials as a Manchester United player. Seems to soft for me, both physically and mentally. He’d offer us a major threat from free kicks, but we already have Young and Rooney there so I just don’t see the need… Think he’s better as a striker than a midfielder though, but if we are keeping Berba I can’t see him coming.

        • Stephen

          29 November 2011 at 17:16

          Thanks Eddy, lets wait and see probably paper talk. Javi Martinez, Christian Eriksen, Rodwell and Fellani would be ideal! 😀

        • RedDevilEddy

          29 November 2011 at 18:34

          Rodwell is a wet dream for me, I’d also like to see us sign Baines.

          Ideally I would fuck a penguin to have a 2008-ish Patrice Evra here, needs to sort out that left back position fast! Hope Fryers can take the next step, really like the look of Fabio at right back these days. Watched the highlights of the Newcastle game again, he could have had 4 assists!

        • Stephen

          30 November 2011 at 10:00

          I still have faith in Evra mate,he is still one of the best around for me. Fryers is a centre half filling on at fullback, but is doing a good job. Maybe worth looking at Fabio at left back, either he or Fafa need to make their mark soon.

        • RedDevilEddy

          30 November 2011 at 12:30

          He’s heavily improved lately, thankfully! He was immense against Newcastle and Benfica, and didn’t do too much wrong against Everton and Sunderland. I like watching him when he’s in full flow, but he’s so God damn inconsistent it’s dangerous for a Manchester United defender. Gary wasn’t the best player you’ll ever see, neither was Irwin, but they never put a foot wrong and were known for their consistency. We don’t get that from Pat, unfortunately. 🙁

        • Stephen

          30 November 2011 at 15:39

          I think you are being very harsh there mate. Irwin was a fantastic player, great with two feet and took a mean freekick.

        • RedDevilEddy

          30 November 2011 at 15:54

          Not saying they weren’t great players, think it came out wrong! Sorry! 😳 Just meant to say that they were mainly known for their consistency, I always remember Irwin being called Mr.Consistent while he was at United. It’s vital, and Evra hasn’t got it these days.

        • Stephen

          30 November 2011 at 15:55

          Great players can be consistant too mate 😆

  29. godzilla

    30 November 2011 at 06:06

    must say i liked City’s goal against arsenal yday, reminded me of United. swift counter attacking move by dzeko and 2 nice passes to the finish. aguero and silva are their machine. one or both go missing and city will get beaten.

  30. Stephen

    30 November 2011 at 10:09

    “Didier Drogba’s agent has revealed he has snubbed Chelsea’s offer of a one-year contract extension and vowed to “go where he is offered the most money” after turning down a loan move to AC Milan.
    Drogba is a class act isn’t he,turning down Milan simply because he wants to whore himself for the highest bidder, get lost you greedy bastard. This is exactly what is wrong with football today, money, money, money…

    • tonymontanna4united

      30 November 2011 at 15:22

      I dont know why the hell chelski have put up with him for so bloody long anyway, should have been out on his ass years ago, not that im complaining. Class player, but a total ass hole of a person, absolutely right stephen, all that is wrong with this sport these days.

  31. colver

    30 November 2011 at 12:12

    Regardless Evra is not getting any younger and needs some serious competition for his place. After all Evra pushed Heinze out so I’d love to see Baines try to push Evra out.

    Rodwell would be a good signing as well.

    Like it or not Everton cannot offer these guys Champions League football and don’t have Levy’s guts to play hardball. We could get the pair for £30 million and they would go a long way towards filling some of the gaps in our team. Both are British which fits into our long term plans. Both are proven Premiership players. It would be perfect.

    Our track record of buying foreign central midfielders is poor. Anderson, Kleberson, Djemba Djemba, Veron….need I go on? But buying British we haven’t had any real flops. Keane was fantastic as was Ince. Carrick did not live up to our expectations but he has been a quietly effective player over the years and certainly done more for us than Anderson ever has.

    So while I am indeed intrigued by players such as Goetze and Martinez Rodwell is the safe bet so long as he can stay fit for us.

    • RedDevilEddy

      30 November 2011 at 12:23

      British United midfielders in Premier Laegue era:

      Paul Ince
      Bryan Robson
      Roy Keane
      Paul Scholes(product)
      Nicky Butt(product)
      Ryan Giggs(product)
      Michael Carrick
      Darren Fletcher(product)
      Owen Hargreaves
      Darron Gibson(product)
      Tom Cleverley(product)

      So 6 out of 11 players come from our own youth team… Worth noting.

      • tonymontanna4united

        30 November 2011 at 16:26

        Anyone else remember liam “the new roy keane” miller 😆 😆 😀 Christ, what an awful player he was, poor lad.

        • Stephen

          30 November 2011 at 16:39

          He was shite :mrgreen: I think we paid him £75k a week to boot!! Fergie and midfield players sometimes are not a good mix! He would be in my all time worst Fegie 11, with Taibi, Prunier, Billy Garton, Blanc, Colin Gibson, Kleberson, Miller, Djemba x2, Miller, Manucho, Bellion, Dong, Bebe… ooh that is 13, but all shit. 😆

    • Stephen

      30 November 2011 at 15:59

      Baines will be 27 on 11th December mate, Patrice will be only 3 years older. Fergie would never go for Baines simply due to his age, personally I would hive Fabio a run. He and Rafael at some point will want more game time, either with us or elsewhere, I would rather see if he is the answer or not.

      • tonymontanna4united

        30 November 2011 at 16:21

        Anyone else a fan of the lad at celtic, erm izaguirre is it who plays at left back? I know its the scottish league, but i really like the look of him, would be a much cheaper alternative if baines is a no go.

        • Stephen

          30 November 2011 at 16:29

          didn’t he break his leg or ankle and is out for ages?

        • tonymontanna4united

          30 November 2011 at 16:42

          Dont think he broke it, hes been out for ages but apparently is way ahead of schedule and set for a comeback before xmas. Suppose it’ll be a case of whether he recovers or not, not every player does after a long lay off, but provided he can, and gets back to his old form, i wouldnt mind him. Looks a real talent, but i think alot of sides will be put off because of the league hes playing in, which i suppose is fair enough really as the standard of football there is pretty tosh on the whole.
          They do produce some gems every now and then though so maybe he’ll be one of them.

    • Stephen

      30 November 2011 at 16:05

      I agree, Fergie I think feels somewhat scared to go out and buy foreign midfield players because he got his fingers burnt with Djemba-Djemba, Kleberson and Veron. This is somewhat provincial, but understandable hence paying well over the odds for Carrick. We need a player who can open up a defence and British players are not really that type, more ball winners and box to box players.

  32. RedDevilEddy

    30 November 2011 at 13:49

    Rafa Smalling Evans Zeki
    Valencia Fletch Pogba Morrison
    Macheda Berba

    That’s the team I wanna see tonight!

    • tonymontanna4united

      30 November 2011 at 15:02

      In a nutshell, thats pretty dead on balls accurate to the team i want to see an all. Really hope zeki, pogba and morrison START the game, with will and michael keane, and young petrucci on the bench. Now is the time to blood the young lads i say, on a grand stage in front of our fans, against a decent footballing side. No more of diouf, park and the stiffs, the kids need/deserve some game time NOW.

      • Stephen

        30 November 2011 at 15:45

        Agreed spot on, the kids deserve a chance, bar your views on Park, he gets far too much stick and has been a loyal and consistant squad player for us, he never moans and gets on with things, good lad.

        • tonymontanna4united

          30 November 2011 at 16:12

          Good servant i agree, just never really been my cup of tea. Didnt mean to sound harsh against the lad, theres plenty others here i cant stomach at all, just meant we all know what we get from park, and this sort of game is exactly the sort of game the young lads need and indeed deserve to show their stuff. So long as all the young lads start, and we dont see the same old same or diouf again playing it out wide or cringe, gibson, i wont have too many complaints.

        • Stephen

          30 November 2011 at 16:17

          Diouf is useless, Gibson at least can shoot but has the movement of Stephen Hawking. Morrison, Pobga and Fryers are the future. Like you I would like to see Petrucci, he has been at the club for a while and has never got close to the first team.

        • tonymontanna4united

          30 November 2011 at 16:36

          Think hes had terrible luck with injuries in his time here. One i seem to remember, left him out of action for the best part of a year.
          I remember when we got him roma were furious, saying he was their best prospect since totti and he’d already trained with their 1st team squad with the view of getting some games and that was back in 2009ish.
          So that tells you how good potentially he is, hes always looked a talent whenever ive seen him, so lets hope he puts his injury hell behind him and shows some of that potential here. Really is exciting though with all the young prospects at the minute, this bunch must be our best since 92.
          I just hope they get the same chances that giggs, becks, nev, butt etc got back then.

        • Stephen

          30 November 2011 at 16:41

          Yes fingers crossed mate.

  33. RedDevilEddy

    30 November 2011 at 18:59

    Rafael Smalling Evans Fabio
    Valencia Gibson Park Diouf
    Macheda Berbatov

    Evans the captain, fuck me…

    • tonymontanna4united

      30 November 2011 at 19:17

      The stiffs it is then. So were preferring an overweight, generally useless player we had up for transfer in the summer ahead of pogba, and a striker playing on the wing, whose been here 3 years already and been generally useless ahead of our most promising youngster weve had in decades in morrison 🙄
      Why do i get the feeling these kids are never going to get a fair crack of whip at this club.

      • gator

        30 November 2011 at 19:42

        it means they are in the shop window for january… 🙄

        • tonymontanna4united

          30 November 2011 at 20:42

          I seem to remember them being in the shop window in the summer too, and nobody wanted anything to do with them. Were stuck with em im afraid, which means theyre always going to be around getting games now and then, which is bad news if your name is morrison or pogba 😥

  34. Robbie

    30 November 2011 at 19:10

    No suprises there, bullshit talentless shit as expected…fergie always hypes up the young lads just to play those players time and again

  35. Robbie

    30 November 2011 at 19:12

    Even Chelsea played their young ones…what’s up with ours…fucking pissed off…

  36. gator

    30 November 2011 at 19:44

    if it means they both are off in jan and get macheda a loan in england… that way there is plenty of room for the youngsters second half. just sucks for them i was soo excited to see pogba start.

  37. Eddie Griffin

    30 November 2011 at 19:44

    Migrate over to the new post guys. 3-1 United tonight, I say.

  38. Jay wire

    30 November 2011 at 20:02

    I have to say, there’s good reason why Manchester United is hated by youth coaches and foreign academies. Petrucci,Macheda and Rossi, were all captured at a time when Italy was holding her breath for their development. Well the USA as well. All players regressed at United. Rossi leaves and proves what everyone else knew. Paul Pogba when we signed him, was the best France had produced across their youth teams. Yet he’s not good enough to start ahead of Gibson. Are u kidding me? Sergio Busquets got Yaya freakin Toure out of Barca’s first team, from the Reserves. Yaya freakin Toure. We all want to see players like Hazard,young and exciting. Fat chance at United. Are these youngsters made of glass? Are their minds made of candy floss,because all I hear is “they’re not strong enough”? We’ve wasted too many youngsters’ time. We should simply shut down the Academy and leave the development of young players to capable clubs like Arsenal,Ajax and pretty much any Mourinho-less club. No wonder he keeps being linked wi us

  39. gator

    30 November 2011 at 20:37

    wtf was that??? how do you end the half with one of their players rolling arround and no action? their team are diving all over the pitch and stalling this is shit. no wonder OT is half full

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