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United’s Win at Everton Leaves Me Comfortably Numb

Well let me start by getting the lone positive from the game out. We won. Yup, that’s it folks, we won. And if that’s all it takes to make many of you all wet and warm and fuzzy in your nether regions then may I offer some advice after you check yourselves for a pulse. Get a life. Seriously, if that’s all it takes to please many of you, you seriously need to get out more and start experiencing life.

It’s history now but the newsflash is in from Fergie. We’re all better now and a win is a win and now we can move forward. It’s that easy. I’m sure the Gaffer was encouraged by the win, the hard work defensively and the clean sheet but his false sense of security is just that, a false sense of security. United played a sloppy match that would have been a poor result in the loss column had we actually played a club with any real talent up front and on the wings.

Everton is as pedestrian a side playing at home as I have seen for a while. They have no real creative genius to them without the departed Arteta and without Tim Cahill in their line up. No real cutting edge and so as much as they controlled the majority of the 97 minutes played, they really were just what the doctor ordered to ensure United three points and the antibiotic that will hopefully help in lifting the virus that is presently plaguing our club.

Make no mistake, most any other top ten club in the EPL would have beaten us or at least forced us into a hard fought draw as we were that pathetic and that negative in our play. Our first twenty minutes were very encouraging however.

We controlled the play and rather than run hard what we did was allow the ball to do the hard work as we strung short pass after short pass quickly and on many occasions with one touch fluency. I liked what I saw as we came close through JS Park after Welbeck and Cleverley worked some fine short passing to free Park who should have scored but was denied by his own lack of finishing skill and to be fair, a tough angle and Tim Howard.

But after Patrice Evra shocked the world with a masterful cross (shocking because masterful crosses are not part of Pat Evra’s arsenal) delivered beautifully to the predator of predators, Javier Hernandez to strike home, I was left with a feeling of optimism and confidence as United looked to be in good form and with a positive flurry which defied the tactical set up and squad selection that Fergie started the game with. In fact I kind of liked the passing style and the feeling of urgency in the side.

And then the music died and what followed were 77 minutes that left me with no other feeling than being as ‘Pink Floyd’ once coined in their famous song, feeling “comfortably numb”. What followed so depressed me and so enraged me that I could not and I will not gain any real joy or positive energy from this hard earned win on the road in a hostile environment.

Generally I would expect a tough match at Goodison Park and a loss would not have surprised me at the best of times, but this game was different. We had come off the mother of all humiliations and more important than even a win was to show the world and especially our supporters that that loss to City was just a one off and a freak of nature. That United players still believed in themselves and that they would not allow such a loss to cloud their thinking, play with their confidence and above all, alter their playing style and aggressive approach. Boy was I wrong.

What followed Chicharito’s goal was more disturbing to me than all the goals City scored on us at Old Trafford. Yes we won and yes De Gea and the lads got that all important clean sheet to help us gain some defensive confidence but the manner in which we accomplished this sent shivers down my spine and told me at least that the Manchester United era of dominance and entertaining attacking football is over or at best on hiatus. May it rest in peace.

What followed that goal was unthinkable, it was shocking and it was disturbing. We played like all those minnows that have shown up at Old Trafford over the years hoping to steal a win or salvage a draw. We parked the bus and defended for 77 minutes with only the odd punt and long ball counter attack, which usually led to nothing as a retaliation to Everton’s possession and their ability to fence us in our own end for the remainder of the game.

Bloody Hell! This is not what I signed up for when I became United supporter. Catenaccio and bloody park the bus football in the best Mick McCarthy manner possible? WTF? We basically played 4-1-4-1 today and the fact we seemed to be secure and comfortable with a 1-0 lead leaves me to believe that Manchester United has picked up the worst virus imaginable. Italian pragmatism. Was that Manchester United playing Everton today or were the Toffees hosting Juventus?

I fully believe that Fergie’s recipe of pragmatic Italian football has finally gotten the better of him and unfortunately for beautiful football, he has lost his way. Watch the game again and tell me if the performance did not remind you of a typical Italian performance where they come out and string quick short passes and create a chance or two, get a lead and then place ten men behind the ball and defend that lead until the whistle goes?

Last season we carelessly lost a two goal lead and settled for a 3-3 draw and to be honest, that didn’t bother me nearly as badly as the way we responded today.

Yes I understand that substance (a win) was far more important than style (attractive play). I get the fact that we needed to right the ship and quit leaking goals. I understand that falling farther than five points behind Manchester City would have been more unacceptable, but for me the message sent to the rest of the footballing world after United parked the bus was discouraging and dangerous. Our negativity and caution will reverberate around the country and will motivate a lot of clubs who in the past feared us to now attempt to do the unthinkable. Now they will feel bold and attack us and show less caution when playing us. After all, when we show the Everton’s of the world such respect when they were in such poor form, suffering from injuries like us and lacking any cutting edge up front, then how is that going to make the Blackburn’s, Wigan’s, Norwich’s and Stoke’s of the world as well as other minnows approach matches against us in the future, especially when they host us?

Again let me express my relief that we won the bloody match. Yes we got the three points and for many of the programmed chimps that call themselves supporters out there will feel great about this and will have regained their confidence in Fergie and the club. Some fans are fickle and all it takes to keep them salivating like Pavlov’s dog is the positive reinforcement that a win, in any fashion can accomplish.

Problem is I am not that kind of animal. I am not a Pavlovian canine who can so easily be manipulated and trained to comply through scientific methods of positive and negative reinforcement. I do not watch this game just to see my club win. Sure winning is everything to many but for me the sport offers me a chance to also be entertained in the process. Like I have said many umpteenth times before, I became a United supporter many moons ago because I loved the way they played the game whether they won or lost. Watching them run and use width and always emphasizing attack was what I felt the game was meant to be played like. It certainly is not intended to turn into the rubbish that was on display on this day at Goodison Park.

And even though we were playing a club in worse form than ourselves, we were still lucky to win. A cross bar and David De Gea’s face saved us from a loss or at least a draw. Had Leighton Baines possessed a little more luck when his free kick easily beat De Gea only to hit the crossbar or had Jack Rodwell not been stopped by De Gea’s face perhaps we would really be crying in our soup right now. After all, it’s not like we had a plethora of opportunities to increase our goal count. A half chance by Welbeck was the only real chance we had after we scored the go ahead goal. After that goal it was all Everton and thank God we defended better and that our opponents lacked any cutting edge to really put the boots to us.

Like I said earlier, I left with a strange feeling of comfortable numbness. Relieved by the win but so under whelmed by the performance that I felt and still feel like somebody high on painkillers after having a molar extracted. I just feel hazy and only semi-conscious. I ask myself, is this the official beginning of the end? Are the halcyon glory days truly over or is Fergie going to rumble through his bag of tricks and find a quick cure to our malaise and poor form to once again bring back top quality play and champagne delight footy to Mancunia? Forgive me for feeling pessimistic but based on what I’m seeing, this time the Gaffer really has his hands full and I’m not sure father time and the staff he has presently working for him are up to the challenge.

So what can we finally take from this match? Certainly a win must offer a few positives to take back with us. Yes we got a clean sheet and another good performance from our keeper. Nemanja Vidic was by far the outstanding man on the pitch and thank God for him because Jonny Evans was just dying to find a way in which to screw things up yet again. I was ready to kill him myself when he refused to jump on the Baines free kick that sailed an inch over his head and almost went in. What kind of defending in a wall was that?

Pat Evra was much improved today in both ends of the park. He delivered a great cross for the goal and defended well deciding that staying home and maintaining his position would be best for his club and his future at that position.

Phil Jones was decent as was Chicharito with his runs albeit, his first touch and his passing still need a lot of work. Rooney showed glimpses of fitting into the Paul Scholes role but he needs to start playing more aggressively again in the attacking zone. He worked hard but my God Fergie, wasting his talent like that is just an unforgivable sin. Would Pep Guardiola ever do that to Messi or would Mourinho waste Ronaldo like that. Never should a manager waste his best attacker by playing him so out of position that the player is not able to offer the club what he is best at, which is scoring goals. But it has come to this because Fergie has realised finally that his false sense of security about his central midfield was exactly that, false. That Carrick, Fletcher and Anderson are not even as good as Rooney in central midfield.

No Nani until after 65 minutes, no Young due to injury and Valencia until late took away our width and to be honest, I am shocked and appalled that we never started this game with either Nani or Valencia. Instead we had to endure another match with JS Park accomplishing nothing, especially since he had little defending to do against an Everton club devoid of ideas and no wide wing play.

Frankly I am tired of not seeing Nani start nearly every game. He is arguably our second best player and he deserves to play every game the way Ronaldo did and the way Rooney does. The fact he doesn’t and the fact that Park continues to waste our time and waste a position on the pitch is something I find intolerable and unforgivable. But then again Fergie’s job this season finds me full with feelings of intolerance and makes me unable to find and forgiveness for what I think is a pedestrian, antiquated and cowardly form of management. Management and leadership that defy what he has stood for during his 25 years in charge. A pity and a total shame that it has come to this. But the beat goes on, hardly audible. We’re alive but barely kicking.

139 Comments

139 Comments

  1. JonyB

    October 30, 2011 at 1:02 pm

    Can not disagree with anything here. My concerns remain the fact we have to almost entirely change the midfield team dynamics if we want to compete and look tight defensively. We did the same at ‘Pool and scrambled a point and this was much the same. We must remember Everton were without 4 of their best players in Arteta (Sold), Neville, Cahill, and the recently impressive Drenthe. For me this remains a massive failing, and it still amazes me how different our midfield performs when you place a 22yr old, who played at Wigan last year, in to it. Its ridiculous that one young player must shoulder the burden of our midfield!!!….. When Cleverley left the field we lost so much in our ability to pass and support and close down quickly. The way Rodwell stole the ball so easy from Fletcher, Parks relative por passing and Fletchers, Evans and Vidic’s almost suicidal defending on the edge of the box that either gave the ball away or free-kicks as been slightly masked over. Remember another inch lower on baines shot and we’d be talking about yet another 2 points lost. As it is IT IS 3 POINTS. It’s a response in terms of back to winning, especially away from home at what has been a difficult venue for us recently….. Lets hope performances improve but can’t see that being consistent thing until the enigma of what has been an underwhelming midfield is addressed once and for all……..

  2. ash is the man

    October 30, 2011 at 2:23 pm

    we are just not good enough, and its such a shame that because fergie refuses to sort our midfield out that ronney has to play there!! shocking!!! 😯
    we are so rigid and boring its horrible!!
    I really dont have a problem with cleverly walking into the team because he is 22 and thats not that young so I dont understand why people are saying its ridiculus. Sure hernandaz is 22/23 and rooney was a regular at 18. OUR problem is a ball winner!!
    With the team we have now we still should be beating most teams off the pitch but we are just too rigid. we should line up like this and have the 4 forwards intercahnging like real football
    Dea gea
    jones smalling vidic fabio

    anderson clev
    nani rooney young
    hernandez

    • Grognard

      October 30, 2011 at 6:03 pm

      We don’t need just a ball winner. We need to have a better motor on attack. More movement off the ball and less reliance on our wide players. Mix things up and that can only happen with a revamped midfield.

      • tonymontanna4united

        October 30, 2011 at 11:29 pm

        A ball winner, a creative/goalscoring midfielder, a left back and bloody half decent right man who knows his stuff with tactics and formations, are all badly needed.
        Problem is, all of the above, have been on the WHAT WE NEED list for a good 3 years now, and here we are, still waiting to see just bloody 1 of them brought in and ticked off.
        Gets to the point now, where you start to realise theres just not going to be any activity in these areas unfortunately.

    • Fergie25

      October 31, 2011 at 2:05 pm

      “With the team we have now we still should be beating most teams off the pitch”

      we are

  3. DB

    October 30, 2011 at 2:55 pm

    De Gea/Lindegaard

    Jones/Rafael Rio/Smalling Vidic/Evans Evra/Fabio

    Cleverley/Fletcher/Park Javi Martinez/Carrick/Anderson

    Nani/Valencia Rooney/Giggs Young/Welbeck

    Chicharito/Berbatov

    Sign Javi Martinez as new centre midfield and squad looks better!

    • JonyB

      October 31, 2011 at 3:45 pm

      I’d love them to sell Anderson & Carrick now. (I’m not that impressed with Fletcher for the last 18mnths – 2 yrs). despite being a big defender of these two in the past they’ve just about lost all their cat’s lives for me as well…… i’d love them to add Javi Martinez, Claudio Marchisio & Mario Gotze (Or Ganso) and i think then you’ve got a squad to challenge Citeh for the next 3-5yrs;
      De Gea / Lindegaard / Amos
      Fabio / Rafeal / Smalling / Jones / Vidic / Evans / Fryers with Evra & Ferdinand
      Fletcher / cleverley / Martinez / Marchisio / Gotze or Ganso with Pogba & Tunnicliffe being developed all the time
      Rooney / Hernandez / Welbeck / Berbatov / Macheda with Morrison continuing his development

  4. colver

    October 30, 2011 at 3:19 pm

    Cleverley is a definite positive addition to our squad. He has played well every time he has been selected which is more than can be said for Anderson. But he does seem to be getting injured a fair amount. Inexperience does not really matter. Just like Hernandez he is good enough to play first team football.

    I agree our midfield is a bit light on leadership. What I would give for someone like Daniele de Rossi giving us some bite and authority in the middle of the pitch.

    • Grognard

      October 30, 2011 at 6:06 pm

      De Rossi is old news now. Fact is he has never exhibited a desire to leave Italy so to Hell with him. Besides, we need a player who leads not just by example but with his personality and voice. Where o where will we ever find another Roy Keane?

      • Fergie25

        October 31, 2011 at 8:29 pm

        Unfortunately the chant was right, there is only one keano.

        If Roy Keanes grew on trees football would be a better thing

    • tonymontanna4united

      October 30, 2011 at 11:36 pm

      Id love tiote tbh, a very good player. I do agree though about a lack of leadership, but unfortunately the roy keanes, paddy vieiras, steve bruce’s, tony adams’ etc of this world, are a distant dream these days.
      A player i do like though who has shades of keano about him, and is already owned by us, is a young lad by the name of ryan tunnicliffe currently out on loan at peterborough. Way too early to say he’ll make it and be up there with the great man though, but heres hoping he does a cleverley and returns in a year or 2 and can show what a talent he is here.
      A big ask at this stage of his development, but im a big big fan and thinks hes a real prospect in the keano mould.

      • Tyrion

        October 31, 2011 at 10:23 am

        I dont know too much about Tunnicliffe (we dont have televised reserve games over here) but 2 years is not something we can wait for. The one person I would love to see would be Schweinsteiger. He would solve our midfield problems to a large extent. However with Bayern having a great start to the season that is not going to happen.

        I honestly dont know if Tiote would anything apart from bite to our midfield. We lack creativity and ability to retain possession. Dont know about Tiote on those aspects.Just have a look at Ramsey I think it was playing glorious through balls as well as keeping it simple. Will just have to wait for the Jan transfer window and keep the fingers crossed.

  5. Jason

    October 30, 2011 at 4:12 pm

    If we are gonna blame anyone for a recent string of lacklustre performances, pls put the blame on fergie. One thing people fail to understand is that, in a 4-4-2 formation pattern like the one we play, once the central midfielders don’t get it right, can’t pass the ball around well, lack creativity, there’s pressure on the defence and believe me when pressure comes, the best defences fumble.
    Fergie not buying atleast a creative midfielder was a mistake we are all paying for. Last season, even a blind man could tell you MUFC was bereft of creativity in the centre of the park on important occasions. Carrick had two good seasons for us but that pretty much sums it. Fletcher has lots of energy but lacks creative ability. Anderson has his moments. Gibson is not fit to be a man u player. Giggs is too old, has done his fair share. Cleverley is the only bright spot and his presence tell us that if we’d gotten sneijder or modric, we’d be playing heavenly soccer at the moment.
    Its not o.k anymore that u win matches while boring spectators. Fergie shud stop the patchwork and get quality central midfielders.
    January presents the gaffer another opportunity to strengthen the squad. My picks for now, Javi Martinez from Athletic bilbao, Tiote from Newcastle, Marek Hamsik from Napoli. But my top pick Martinez!

  6. Mike

    October 30, 2011 at 4:32 pm

    Cleverley is a good player with loads of potential, but making him the next messiah for the club is a mistake. The problem is, and remains the midfield. I have been saying for 3 years now with the midfield crammed previously with great but ageing players. Busby did that in the late 60s and it turned out to be the biggest mistake he ever made at United. I am a huge fan of SAF, but I totally disagree with his current fannying about. Fact: current midfield needs at least 2 top class players, and if we are not to disappear into mid table mediocrity, he needs to do something now, and should have been doing it 2 years or more ago. Whatever happened to Paul Pogba and Ravel Morrison getting a chance? I’d rather lose 3-2 at times giving the young ones a chance than see how “ordinary” we are becoming.

  7. Fergie25

    October 30, 2011 at 4:46 pm

    Another negative view from another negative arm chair fan. This was a good blog once upon a time

    • Craig Mc

      October 31, 2011 at 11:29 am

      Errr no need for that disparaging remark mate to fans all over the world who post on this blog, and are every bit as much UNited fanatic as you probably are. They watch United games many of them in their local worldwide formed fan club centres, or pubs, bars etc. Even if they just watch from their armchairs because they live in countries too far away to get to games on the United terraces like you and I have the privilage to do week in week out – why does the armchair make them less of a supporter than you or I? People on here have very strong and differing viewpoints on all things Man Utd – and for all you claim that the blog is no longer good – well it doesn’t stop you coming and reading and commenting does it? I suggest there are plenty of other Man Utd blogs for you to feel at home – try Red Cafe – Oh perhaps not because all the great lads at the Red Cafe actually SIT to watch the game, as funnily enough so does everyone else at OT – so whats the difference eh?

      • Fergie25

        October 31, 2011 at 12:54 pm

        The big difference in reviewing a game from the stands or your arm char is simple. From the stands we see all of the game, from the arm chair we see a television producers view of the game and see very little of the shape of the game or off the ball movement. I think it is crazy to take stock from a review wrote from the arm chair. Would you seriously take any note of a review in the Guardian say wrote by a bloke in America sat in an arm chair? Personally I would not

        Bearing in mind the posters previous reviews I am surprised he is allowed near a key board, never mind an opening post. That is just my opinion though. His opinions on the carling cup have been offensive to the proud tradition that is the English league and an insult to our club. I just did not have time to debate with the person last week.

        It appears some people on this forum want us to lose, In short we are the champions, we are second in the league going in to November, but we are shit. It makes me laugh

        • Craig Mc

          October 31, 2011 at 3:08 pm

          Some people on this board WANT US TO LOSE – well as you are new to this board we can excuse your ignorance on this point! Most of us have frequented this blog for a long time, and I don’t know of a single person who wants Man Utd to EVER lose. It is because folk here don’t want them to lose that they make such strong deliberations of the weaknesses in our team. Seeing and analysing weaknesses is NOT wanting the team to lose, it is just be honest, something that a lot of Utd fans seem to have a problem with. You may think that folk want Utd to lose, yeah most of the global footballing world do – but the bloggers on this board don’t – in fact it is just the opposite they are passionate debaters because they do want Utd to win. If you can’t see the weaknesses we have in the team – well you must be looking at things from a different perspective to me and others here, not saying your view is wrong – but am saying you would have to be BLIND to not see weaknesses whether watching from the terraces as I have done for years, or watching from your armchairs – you still SEE glaring weaknesses and of course STRENGTHS of the team players too. Both weaknesses and strengths are debated here, and if it is not to your taste Fergie25 – then it is a blog that will perhaps not suit you, whereas there are plenty of others that will be more to your liking. You surely know Fergie25 from reading this blog that we will always be debating both the strengths and the weaknesses of our Red Devils 😀 . You may not like Grog’s articles, and you wouldn’t be on your own, but one thing about Grog he is die hard honest about how he sees things, and he ALWAYS generates by the sentiment of the articles he writes A LOT OF RESPONSE and great debating regardless of what side of the arguement you are on. People have passionate viewpoints and opinions – its called fandom, and for or against people keep coming to read the articles and comments on this blog – and you seem to be one of them mate! Don’t know whether you plan to stay on the blog or not, but welcome anyway – I am sure Rimmers the excellent admin on here would say the same!

        • Fergie25

          November 1, 2011 at 9:57 am

          Aye I do read the blog for the same reason I have a quick look at the daily mail each day

  8. Craig Mc

    October 30, 2011 at 6:12 pm

    Well I’m a Nani fan Grog – and would love to see him play every game – but!!! Anyway Bro I cannot totally agree with you about Park because he retrieved the ball more, tackled more, and got forward more into good positions than Fletch or Cleverley. I thought he did ok mate. Fletch is off the boil and was giving away possession too much for my liking, but then he is NOT a defensive MF. We badly need a very top class defensive MF who is a ball winner, because contrary to popular belief I think we do have players that can create but are unable to get forward often enough because we have little muscle in our MF. The biggest problem to my mind is the boss playing continually players OUT OF THEIR NATURAL POSITION. I mean Hernandez on the wing and same with Welbeck – come on – really??? Fergie is saying that he will not panic buy in January and that we can expect no new additions to MF or anywhere else. He said United are not like other teams as our policy is playing wide men. Yeah OK Fergie, but you didn;t play proper wide men capable of doing a job on the wings – Valencia, Nani on the bench – again really??? So yeah Everton wide men were getting full opportunity to get forward and do their stuff with ease, because Chicharito and Welbeck are STRIKERS, STRIKERS, STRIKERS. What other coach would play a PREDATOR in the box (Chicharito) stuck out on the wing? But then I am not Fergie who says he was exceedingly happy with our 1-0 win, even though like at L’Pool we had more than our fair share of good fortune at Everton yesterday. I am just glad though that we did win, because if we had gone 8 points behind I would have been depressed depressed depressed – and I think we would have found it a very tough job to rediscover those points. I know Fergie and others are waiting for the City collapse or blip and maybe it will come. After all City were away and doing well last season but the heavy winter months undid them somewhat – the ballotellis, Silvas etv are not used to cold hard winters and grounds – they are sunshine boys! 😆

  9. Robbie

    October 30, 2011 at 6:12 pm

    No ways…I’m not to be fooled by this article, Everton are anything but an easy team or an average one at Goodison…Hell, even the much lauded City struggled to win there. Down the years it has been a ground where many big teams have lost, I’m not buying into that idea one bit, Wins at places like goodison are always tough, every league has teams like everton. Even Real Madrid ground out a one nil win against sociedad, City weren’t too impressive against Wolves at home, Hopefull Clev will be fit because we play very good football with him

    • ManU4eva

      October 30, 2011 at 7:15 pm

      this only tells that you are satisfied with our current performance in general and satisfied by the performance against everton right? Fergie must be thanking God everyday that there are people like you who will just applause whatever they do regardless whether it is right or wrong, and regardless of the performance and results that the team achieves. fans like you are whats wrong with manchester united!

      • 19Champions

        November 1, 2011 at 3:07 pm

        And United fans who call United ‘Man U’ are what’s totally wrong with Manchester United.

        • Mike

          November 1, 2011 at 5:39 pm

          Get a life pal. I have been supporting Man U for 50 years, the first 30 of which I attended many, many matches at Old Trafford and all over the country. I am now an armchair fan 8,000 miles away from OT. So what!! healthy debate makes the team and fans stronger, and if your skin is so thin that a “proxy” name irritates you, then that says it all eh?

        • Fergie25

          November 1, 2011 at 7:26 pm

          ha ha get in

        • 19Champions

          November 2, 2011 at 6:15 am

          Supporting United for 50 years doesn’t make you a ‘truer’ fan than me. It just makes you older. So get over it.

      • Grognard

        November 1, 2011 at 6:26 pm

        I think the term that comes to mind for me is programmed sheep. 😀

        • Fergie25

          November 1, 2011 at 7:27 pm

          i prefer the inflatable variety my self

    • tonymontanna4united

      October 30, 2011 at 11:45 pm

      The score line has nothing to do with it, its the performance that went with it that myself, grog and others are complaining about.
      Do you think its ok that we score a goal in the first 20 mins, and for the remaining 70, the closest we come to a 2nd is a welbeck chance comfortably saved by howard?
      How for the entire 2nd half, we were defending for our lives, penned into our own half, being played off the park like its barcelona were playing?
      That we were incapable of making more than 2 passes without giving
      the ball back to an everton player?
      That our movement both on and off the ball was awful?
      That for the last 30 minutes, our only form of attacking intent, was once again to boot the ball away from our penalty area as far as we could, and hope a striker runs onto the end of it?
      Im sorry mate, but theres alot more to look at here than the 3 points. Its another in a long line of low scoring, pathetically poor away performances from this club in the last 18-24 months.
      If you want to bury your head in the sand and pretend its nothing more, like it seems fergie and the coaching staff are doing, then thats fair enough mate.
      Lets just kiss goodbye to the title this year, and celebrate our inter city neighbours getting their hands on the league this year and threaten our very dominance in this country.
      Because performances similar to this in the coming weeks and months ahead, are not only going to bore us fans to tears, theyre also going to see us drop points we can no longer afford to, and aswell as losing our title, see us lose our tag as the most entertaining side in the division.
      Were becoming more and more like wolves or stoke as each game goes by, that quite frankly, it fucking petrifies me.

    • Fergie25

      October 31, 2011 at 1:06 pm

      I agree, everton is a tough place to go and of the back of last week when our cavalier attitude got us a spanking. This was the correct approach due to the factors surrounding the game. We went to Goodison and got the points with minimal damage to the squad. Job done, next game please

      • tonymontanna4united

        October 31, 2011 at 6:53 pm

        And when we went to liverpool, benfica, stoke, and galati, and gave similar mediocre performances what was the excuse then? A bad day at the office? We seem to have alot of them.
        As a united fan i would have thought you’d have been aware of the principles of which this club were founded upon and what made us so special; playing football the way it should be played, giving a good performance to go along with the win.
        It seems not anymore though. Not since the bolton game anyway back in early september, where weve been nothing but average since then (i dont think anyone can dispute that).
        2 months now, and people are still trying to claim this was just a one off, and all because of the city game 🙄
        Some people really need to open their eyes a little bloody wider, because thats something that cannot be excused or ignored.

        • Fergie25

          November 1, 2011 at 9:55 am

          I think if you look back through history. Busby had many an ugly win and sent the odd team out to shut up shop. I would rather see a tight one goal victory than the suicidal display I saw against city.

          I tend to stick by the boss on this one. He got the result and no doubt improved the atmosphere in the squad. Just as a guess I would imagine he focuses the minds of his players on future games rather than having them concentrate on the fact they did not provide entertainment at 12 noon on a Saturday. It would be great if supporters looked to the future and spent energy adressing the true issues with in the club

          Just to add what virtually every sports scientist says about a noon kick of. They very rarely provide the best football as players body clocks are not programmed for such a kick of time.

          So many factors effect a football game, not just the manager and players

      • Grognard

        November 1, 2011 at 6:31 pm

        What approach do you speak of? The one that through it’s lack of tactical savvy and overall incompetence created 1 scoring chance of any value in the whole match while we were lucky not to have at least conceded two goals in return? The tactics and strategy are a joke. The result was truly a fortunate one and not something we deserved because we played better than Everton. We were shite and only our keeper and a few great defensive plays kept us from more humiliation. Ask yourself this, when a super club like Manchester United can only create one or two goal scoring chances in a game, is there something wrong with their manager and his way of doing things? I wasted two hours of my life sitting through that rubbish and I for one am sick and tired of the way we play and I blame it 99.9% on our manager and the muppets he has called coaches.

        • Fergie25

          November 1, 2011 at 7:25 pm

          Holly shit, and if we had lost?

        • 19Champions

          November 2, 2011 at 6:12 am

          No one forced you to waste your two hours. Seriously, if you feel you wasted them, the only one to blame here is you. Did Fergie and the coaches plead with you to watch the match?

  10. Robbie

    October 30, 2011 at 6:16 pm

    It also cannot be understated the importance of the return of Vidic, he was a rock yesterday, and its a shame smalling went now or I had foreseen a settled defence with vida, smalling and jones on the right.

  11. Jay wire

    October 30, 2011 at 8:30 pm

    Tbh anything Vidic does is gold. He wasn’t bad, but he was no rock either. He gave away a couple of fouls on the edge of the box and Baines normally gets his free kicks right. He’s a foul magnet. I like him, don’t rate that highly, but he can’t do anything wrong to most. He gets sent off, he’s excused. “bad day” or “not one of his best performances”. Evans gets sent off, he’s shot down completely. He’s learning his trade for crying out loud. Did anyone see Kompany’s performance yesterday? If that was Evans or Evra people would go nuts. How many bad performances has Evans had this season? He’s been overall our best defender. Smalling may frown a bit about that declaration but it’s true. It’s like what we’ll obviously be told about De Gea as soon as he makes a big mistake. “Look at how many goals he has conceded blah blah blah panic panic panic”

    • Moscow is my heaven

      October 30, 2011 at 8:59 pm

      Well, Evans certainly picked the right game to fuck up! 😀

    • Grognard

      November 1, 2011 at 6:35 pm

      Vidic was still pretty damned good mate. When you are surrounded by muppets in your back four you tend to overcompensate and get super aggressive so any free kicks he gave up was due to the fact he is working for two. We would have lost that game had he not started. Of that I have no doubt whatsoever.

      And as for Kompany, he is crap and most of City’s back four are crap but the thing that gets them through is their attacking form and quality in midfield and up front. Much like we were when the season started, they score goals for fun and are not too concerned about surrendering goals because they are confident they will score at least three a game. That’s a great feeling to have and it gives them confidence. Heaven help us if they actually spend more money and buy great defenders.

  12. Moscow is my heaven

    October 30, 2011 at 9:15 pm

    Since it is becoming increasingly clear that we do not have any dominant midfielders other than Carrick, may I suggest we go shopping for sensible and affordable options for defensive midfield? I have been saying for a while now that Fellaini would be a good fit as replacement, or if we go for a double pivot, a complementary midfielder for Carrick. Alternatively, we could make a move for Lass Diarra, who will be even more out of favour at Real when Nuri Sahin recovers from injury. He has a good engine, and in my opinion is an excellent tackler and player on the ball, very similar to City’s De Jong.

    I am also very much in favour of buying a playmaker, as I believe that Rooney, for the good of the team, not for his optimal position, should be used as a striker. Right now, he stands in the way of any formation change from our predictable 4-4-1-1. It’s not about finding his best position. It’s about forming the most powerful unit, for example, at one stage in the 08/09 season, we looked unstoppable at a time when Rooney was shunted out onto the left wing.

    I find it absurd that a player who didn’t even get a starter place for Wigan a few months ago, can now walk into United’s midfield and become so influential. Anderson has come up against two midfields so far that I would consider to be at a top level, Chelsea and Man City, and has failed miserably. I’m going to try and not to comment on his future until the end of the season, but for me, he cannot possibly be in a midfield I would consider to be United quality. So far, he has failed.

    • tonymontanna4united

      October 30, 2011 at 11:55 pm

      I remember posting a list of about 10-15 tier 2 players as id call them, on here in the summer, all of which were available for decent prices, and was completely shot down by most on here.
      “Whats the point of buying tier 2 players, may as well wait for some top tier players to come onto the market”. Oh yeah as opposed to resorting to the tier 3/4 players we currently use in anderson, fletcher, carrick etc 🙄
      Lass diarra, would most definitely fill a gaping hole and is cheap as piss. Scott parker too, although not the most high profile player, has been absolutely sensational at spurs and cost £5m. Would i ideally want diarra or parker in our midfield? Not really. But as opposed to fletcher, giggs and anderson. Hell yes.
      Theres been so many bargains, good to very good players weve just completely ignored over the last few years, its just pathetic.

      • Moscow is my heaven

        October 31, 2011 at 12:04 am

        EXACTLY. We don’t need to go as far as the Sneijders, Schweinsteigers and De Rossis of this world to revamp our midfield. The quality of our midfield is already so low that even Glazernomics should be able to get far superior midfielders than what we have, provided we actually BOTHER to invest. I’m sorry to his slavish fanbase, but Fergie can be a stubborn bitch sometimes, and be way too loyal to his mediocre favourites.

    • Tyrion

      October 31, 2011 at 10:27 am

      What a day in history. Carrick being called dominant 😆 😆

      • Fergie25

        November 1, 2011 at 7:21 pm

        His Mrs dominates him every night, his safety phrase is “side ways pass”

  13. tonymontanna4united

    October 30, 2011 at 11:22 pm

    Agree 100% mate, the 3 points yesterday, of course were important, as they are every week, but the day we sit back and say “its only the result that matters” is the day this club dies and loses the very thing that makes us so special.
    That belief we have that we’re a class above the rest. That we’re the biggest team in the world, that 2nd best isnt good enough. That we must win every game, but with a style and panache we are so famed for, and have been since the days of busby and his glorious babes.
    All that goes to shit though the day we start becoming content at watching such mediocre performances, holding on for our lives to beat teams like everton, and turn our heads the other way and say “we won so who cares”.

    Well i sodding care for one. I think alot of united fans also care too, because guess what, were not fucking wolves, stoke, blackburn or bolton. We are, or we’re supposed to be, manchester united.
    Why the fuck should we fear a decent, but not spectacular, everton side?
    Why should we sit back and show fear and invite them onto us?
    Why the hell were we not going there with the intention being getting a good win, with a strong performance, informing the world that we are back?
    Why the hell should i feel anything other than anger and rage seeing my beloved team having to defend for our lives for much of the final hour, being played off the park like were playing a team as mighty as barca, madrid, milan or co, and feel happy and content at such a performance?
    Fact is, i shouldnt be, and neither should any of you on here, the players or fergie either.
    Because feeling anything other than angry and possibly enraged about a performance like that, is a disgrace to the standards that this club once set.

    Because fact is, this wasnt just a case of it being “one of those days”, “a bad day at the office” or a below par performance. This is nothing to do with us only scoring 1 goal here.
    This was a gameplan, this was exactly what we wanted from the game. To be compact, add security to the backline and to not see a repeat of the mauling we saw last week.
    All well and good, if your also going to balance that with a strong attacking game plan at the other end of the pitch. That your going to be encouraging players to go on and get forward, create chances for the front men and kill the game off.
    Unfortunately though, were not having none of that. When we go away from home or play a top 6 side, our game plan is always to stay tight, compact, defend as a team, commit very few players forward and remain patient, in the hope that 1 chance will come, and hernandez, rooney or nani, will put it away and we’ll manage to hold on. And hey if it doesnt come then a points not a bad result.

    We got the points though some will say. We got the 3 points at a place we havent done so since 2007. We got back onto the right track and can now firmly look ahead and forget about the mauling from city last week. Right?
    Well no not really, not for me anyway. This had nothing to do with last week as some people are saying. Points over performance blah blah blah. This is the way we approach these type of games all the time, regardless of whether we’re coming off a 6-1 mauling, or on a 20 match unbeaten run.
    So guess what, in 6/7 weeks time when we play another decent side away from home next time, at a place we maybe havent won at for a long time, a decent but not great side, we’re going to see exactly the same thing again.
    Were going to go there with a more conservative, id call it cautious, outlook, struggle to create anything of any real note, at most get the 1 goal, and then have to resort to holding on for our dear lives and praying we get the 3 points. This time though who knows, maybe we wont end up being so lucky and we wont hold on and get the oh so important 3 points.
    And then that’ll be another 2 maybe 3 points dropped, that’ll be another shite performance that bores the crap out of us, and that’ll be further proof to city, that we are side whose best days are behind us. Sad but true.

    So i agree with every word mate and have said as much for about 3 odd years now. Since that CL win in 2008, since the departure of carlos quieroz, since the arrival of mike “the muppet” phelan, weve become a boring, italian, tactically naive team, which is everything the old united principles were not found upon.
    Were now very much points > performance, weve lost the very thing that once made us so special. We have now officially lost our tag as “most entertaining side in the league” to our inter city rivals, and fans must surely now have lost the right to claim jose mourinho and his teams are any less entertaining, attacking than fergie and united. Hope the 3 points were worth all that.

    • Stephen

      October 31, 2011 at 7:15 pm

      Yes but City have an open cheque book and we are massively in debt? Also do you think CQ plays attacking football? In his first spell he was known as Carlos Quierozzzzzzzz Portugual were dull as shit mate, but like many you are overly negative about out club… When you are away you have to lock down, especially when confidence is low, what did you expect play attacking football when you get stuffed at home by your biggest rivals? That would be stupid, You keep it tight and build confidence, that is logical.
      If we opened up and lost again I am sure you would have had a pop at Fergie as well, he can’t win with some can he?

      • tonymontanna4united

        October 31, 2011 at 9:12 pm

        Come on mate, are you really saying our football since his departure, is not about a million times worst than it was between 2006-08.
        Im not for one minute saying that was all down to him, he was afterall just the assistant manager, but i do believe we miss his input and tactical savviness.
        I mean is it a coincidence that since phelan has come in we have reverted back to the old traditional british 4-4-2. Is it a coincidence that since phelan weve become more solid if unspectacular, more rigid, able to sit on 1-0s and see them out (before this season anyway).
        So no mate im not saying thats all down to quieroz, but i do believe he had a massive say on the tactical side of things, and if your trying to compare our football now to then, well its no contest really.

        As for our approach regarding the everton game, well as ive said before, do i think the city game had anything to do with our decision to shut up shop and play more cautiously?
        No, not really. Setting up shop, playing more conservatively, has been the way weve played against sides like everton, liverpool, blackburn, wolves etc for the last 3 years.
        Just go back to the our match at anfield a few weeks ago where we were coming off the back of an unbeaten run of about 10 games. Didnt stop up setting up shop and playing hoof ball football for nigh on an hour did it.
        Or when we went away to benfica off the back of a stunning 5-0 win at bolton, starting the season in brilliant fashion. Didnt stop us reverting back to our cautious football mentality did it. Nor against stoke or galati.
        So tbh i think people are looking into the city game far too much. Yes we wanted the 3 points and to get back on track, but can anyone tell me playing the way we did really deserved the 3 points?
        I mean, playing cautiously is well and good, so long as you can see the game out. But getting to the point where we couldnt get a touch of the ball for the final 30 mins or so, being well and truly on the ropes? Well, no one is going to convince me thats the way a team sees out a game when attempting to hold onto a lead.
        So my whole anger from that game was really a whole lot more deep rooted than just saturdays game. I just dont like the way this club seems to be going if you want the honest truth mate.
        Playing for points and to hell with the performance, just isnt what this club was once about.
        But it seems standards are slipping these days. From the club and fans alike.
        To dare even suggest that fergie has become overly cautious, is getting tactically outdone far too often, really to criticise him in any way, is a hangable offence it seems.

        • Grognard

          November 1, 2011 at 6:48 pm

          As much as I feel that United’s coaches and other training staff are useless, I still feel the brunt of responsibility for our poor performances, poor tactics and strategy fall into Fergie’s lap. At the end of the day he calls the shots and the manner in which he is managing the club these days is very questionable indeed but most fans give him a free pass due to his tenure and legendary status. A big mistake.

          I used to think my father was the best driver ever and he liked to drive at a decent pace. Then he entered his 60’s and all of a sudden he was driving like an old man and slowing down while not reacting as fast to situations around him. When you reach a certain age you mellow out and you lose that special edge and focus you had as a younger man. Fergie is frankly getting up there and it beckons the quest, is he too old to be managing any football team right now?

          I respect him and appreciate him but I also feel that perhaps Father Time has caught up with him and it is seriously compromising this club’s ability to compete at the highest level. His pragmatism, fear and insecurities have surfaced and he is now overly cautious and lacking the real metal to turn this club into what we the spoilt supporters want and expect. Are people like me being unreasonable? Yes, but we only have Fergie to blame for that as he set the bar high over 25 years and nowadays he is having a hard time living up to his own legend.

        • Fergie25

          November 1, 2011 at 7:20 pm

          ha ha useless coaches, useless manager and league champions. Yes we are useless

  14. Yang

    October 31, 2011 at 8:15 am

    If you look at the game, you realize that Everton is quite solid at defence. They press like mad men resulting in half of United passing were forced into mistake. This is same sympton as Barcelona force United making mistake. Honest hard working is always counted.

    Why United couldn’t win at Goodison Park for last three years? well Everton never give in. Winning ugly at Everton home is quite good result.

    Nani was the second best player for United? not sure about that. Nani is good player who has been improved a lot but he still have own weakness. relying on his individual dribble. He tend to be ineffective when opposition double mark on him and Nani is still not good at passing that is why SAF often drop Nani at tough game. Man city game showed that Nani still have inconstancy. I don’t think SAF has any agendas against Nani. SAF show so much trust on him. Nani was quite lucky actually to stay on team.

    • Craig Mc

      October 31, 2011 at 10:38 am

      And what planet do you actually live on mate? Nani IF you watch the Everton game thru again made the best pass OF THE WHOLE GAME from a Rooney thru ball to him on the wing Nani LAMPED the ball like a guided missile of destruction to put Welbeck thru on his own – but yet again Welbeck missed his golden opportunity to be a hero. Nani does have one or two sloppy games yes – but NOT ONE single United player performed against Man shitty – so please don’t go down on Nani. When Nani was double marked yesterday apart from one poor pass into the box, he came back a little and found invariably one of our MF or Wazza and his passes got to their man. Go watch the game again before you make such disparaging comments about Nani. Lucky to be in the team – 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 – did you see Valencia’s performance when he came on – he was shite mate not Nani, just a Young has been shite against the big teams 🙄 . Don’t get me going mate – I am spitting blood already!

      • Yang

        October 31, 2011 at 10:32 pm

        Nani is quite good forward no doubt about that but more often than not Nani destined to ineffective. Do you remember Messi couldn’t hack United deference when we win the CL? Yes, even Messi can be marked out.

        Important ting is that when you double or triple marked, you gonna need to pass quickly. this is what Nani is still lacking.

        SAF has been shown huge amount of trust even Nani played terrible. I cannot understand why some faction of supporter think SAF drop Nani w/o good reason.

    • Fergie25

      October 31, 2011 at 8:16 pm

      I agree Nani is inconsistent it is frustrating. the lad is quality though, so lets hope he wipes those inconsistent moments from his game

    • Grognard

      November 1, 2011 at 6:56 pm

      And you go with that glass half full mentality if it helps you get through the night. I for one do not buy into that as I want, expect and demand more. After all, I may be a supporter but I am also a consumer and I want what I am paying for. My idol and hero in life was Steve Jobs. Why? He was an intolerable asshole and difficult person to get close to or work for but he was a perfectionist and a visionary and would never settle for just very good. He always pushed the envelope and demanded the most from his people. And today we have Apple, which for me is the greatest company in history providing the best service and products ever invented. I’m no Steve Jobs but I do share his values and I am a shameless perfectionist who demands something be done right. Where Jobs liked to blend science with art I believe in blending sport with art and coming out with a successful product that wins but does so with beauty, style, discipline and is in his words, “insanely great”.

      I have an old saying I use quite often. Unlike people who shoot for the moon I believe in shooting for the stars. Shoot for the stars because if you just shoot for the moon, you may only reach the top of your house. Shooting for the stars may help you reach for the moon. It’s all about perspective and stubbornness to think different and be bold. Bold and thinking different is certainly not p-art of Fergie’s mantra these days, and it’s truly a shame and a pity.

      • Fergie25

        November 1, 2011 at 7:18 pm

        You say you are a consumer, do you go to many games. If so how many do you make in a season?

        I thought it would be hard getting to them from your part of the world. Fair play though for spending the time and money, well done

      • Craig Mc

        November 1, 2011 at 7:59 pm

        Well you lost me at shooting for the stars reaching the moon bit Groggy – I must have taken a wrong turn and I ended up on fookin Jupiter – or is it Juventus. Either way the Missus has refused to send out a search party or pay the ransom fee – I feel very unloved – will have to raid my wee daughters piggy bank, at least she loves me 😉 😆 😆 .

  15. Spizzy

    October 31, 2011 at 9:32 am

    I have read how people r disappointed with the performance,oh why didnt we attack?oh why we we so poor?oh why were we so boring?
    I guess some fans have goldfish memory, it’s coz we got stuffed six the previous week.
    Im pretty sure the instructions were, whatever you do,don’t concede. Why would saf give such an order you ask,its because we got STUFFED six the previous week.
    The team is no where near as good as some of you think, we dont have enough quality to play that sort of footy,and the team now realises this. If we tried to attack everton the game would probably have ended 3-3 or 2-3 and everyone would have said, united still leaking like a kitchen sink.
    In summation,our primary goal is to win the league,playing entertaining football is a bonus,but when playing entertaining footy hurts the primary goal then somethings got to give. SAF has chosen to win rather than entertain. Its clear we cannot do both n we wont be in a position to do both for a very long time,we spent 60 mil in the last window,dont expect any new additions any time soon. The people to blame are SAF and the glazers, but since we are t this point and the two main architects are not going to move,we can moan and bitch all we like,infact we have been at it for 3 years,it hasn’t changed n wont change shit. We can hope yes but i feel some here are out of touch with reality and are expecting this team to do things it can’t. We were great once,not so now,so just stop with the negative crap,accept the team is not good enough then give a review based on this. Fletch,ando, rooney are not world class,so for average players how did they perform?

    • Tyrion

      October 31, 2011 at 10:33 am

      You are wrong there. We are not angry about our failure to launch a meaningful attack after the goal (Yes, part of is due to that) but about our non existant midfield. All of us knew that some restraint would be exrecised after the mauling we recieved from City but it does not excuse us from being able to retain possession and play simple passes. For fucks sake, when you have to move Rooney to midfield – a player who is among the best playing in the hole as they say – there is something wrong.

      We are angry about not having reinforced it. If you say that Fergie knew that we didnt have enough quality why the fuck did he not reinforce?

      • Fergie25

        October 31, 2011 at 1:10 pm

        We went to goodison got three points get over it

    • Craig Mc

      October 31, 2011 at 10:59 am

      Couldn’t agree with you more mate – but I think that Groggy in writing these reviews is just trying to say exactly what you are saying, that we are not good enough anymore with present players – even tho Fergie keeps shouting back publically that we are! I agree about Fletch, ando and Rooney NOT being world class, but Wazza at least would be IF he improved his technical ability, his first touch and passing (because he loses possession to the opposition far too often, and I mean far too often) but he is SO NOT the only one who concedes possession too much is he? Wazza is played every game, and I don’t want to see him not play, but how many strikes has he had at goal lately, and he is a main striker? I would like him to have more impact on a game, but the lad is hampered by having to fall back and help out MF and DEFENCE. He was more in the opposition box defending than he was in our box shooting. In fact I can’t remember him firing a shot all game – well maybe one. It isn’t fair to Rooney to try and make him the provider instead of the GOALSCORER. Also chicharito – we would get far more goals from him if he just stopped straying offside at the vital moment. Owen plays an exact game to Chicharito but he hardly ever strays offside – experience? However Chicharito is not a right fookin winger and should not have been expected to supply from the wing. Nevertheless as Groggy, Stephen, Eddi and some of the other lads on this blog will tell you – I live in cloud cuckoo land – I believe we do have some very good players – it is making them into square pegs round holes that is the Fergie problem. I believe that we will win everything – as I said I’m cloud cuckoo land INSANE! 😉 😆 😆

    • tonymontanna4united

      October 31, 2011 at 6:37 pm

      “I have read how people r disappointed with the performance,oh why didnt we attack?oh why we we so poor?oh why were we so boring?
      I guess some fans have goldfish memory, it’s coz we got stuffed six the previous week”.

      Oh and when we went to anfield a few weeks ago and came out with the same cautious, defensive approach, where our only attacking intent was hoofing it forward into the liverpool pen area, were we not at that stage, coming off the back of an unbeaten run? And yet we still approached the game cautiously.

      When we went away to benfica and again set up defensively, 8/9 men behind the ball, struggling to create a single goalscoring chance of any note, were we not coming off the back of a 5-0 brilliant win against bolton? And yet we still approached the game cautiously.

      When we went to stoke, and again went more conservative, couldnt keep the ball, and let stoke have the majority of the chances, were we again not coming off the back of a 100% 5 match winning run in the PL? And yet we still approached the game cautiously.

      Come off it. The way we set up in the everton game had nothing to do with the city game, its the way we approach away games like this season in season out. Dont believe me, ok then go back and watch the season review of the last 2 odd years, and watch the sort of performances we see time and time again against the wolves, evertons, chelseas, liverpools, blackburns of this world.
      Always the same regardless of whether were coming off the back of a defeat, or a 6-0 win, or whatever.
      Its just the way we always approach these types of games, which is precisely why we traditionally drop so many points against these teams, why we hadnt won at stamford bridge for 8 odd years, anfield since 2007, everton since 2007 etc.
      Its no coincidence. Its just that time and time again against those sides, we lose our bottle, were scared about coming away from there with less than a point, so we set ourselves up to be more conservative, cautious, and pathetically defensive.
      As i said, if you dont believe me, go back and watch the season reviews from the last few seasons, maybe then you’ll see what im talking about.

      • Craig Mc

        October 31, 2011 at 9:12 pm

        Yeah Tony – I see your truth mate, and I agree with what you say, and to me you blew Fergie25’s rationale out the water with that exposition of our set up and performances in away games – sorry Fergie25! I think you just got trounced mate 😉 😀 . Glad to see you are sticking around and posting though – because none of us on here agree with each other all the time – we oft have some right BARN-IES.

        • tonymontanna4united

          October 31, 2011 at 9:17 pm

          Cheers craigy mate.

    • Grognard

      November 1, 2011 at 7:00 pm

      Playing into the hands of your opponents because you respect them and fear them too much is not the kind of football United should be playing. Ask yourself when was the last time you saw Barcelona change their strategy and or tactics for anyone? Answer is NEVER.

      • 19Champions

        November 2, 2011 at 6:10 am

        Go support Barcelona then. United ain’t Barcelona.

  16. Craig Mc

    October 31, 2011 at 11:09 am

    By the way guys, am I right in thinking that the only game that Jones didn’t start in we got stuffed by the wastelanders, or am I imagining it? Jones makes a hell of a difference in vital tackling department at vital times. He has need of improvements in areas of his game, but I feel he is our most efficient tackler – even than Vida, and he rarely concedes free kicks even in the box because the timing of his tackles is so good. He is well behind Vida in the heading ability and heading the ball away from danger 😀 . Please tell me if I am not right about the City game being the only game where Jones didn’t start in the PL – I’m not so good at stats as some of you glorious experts on the blog!

    • RMJ

      October 31, 2011 at 1:26 pm

      Yo Craig, As much as I love Jonesy, its pretty obvious that he is still growing. I think he has the talent to play in Central defence or right back and that’s where his future lies. I just dont see why Fergie persists with Smalling at Right back when Jonesy is much more naturally mobile, crosses better and makes those insane runs through the midfield sometimes. As it stands i think Fergie would have started Smalling in the middle ahead of Ferdinand who is playing worse than a lame duck these days or even should have stuck with Jones playing there ahead of Ferdinand(anyone else but Rio 🙁 )

      I feel a sense of deja wu these days as the times remind me of the 2004-05 season when the RA first showed up at Stamford Blues and 2 years or so into it after they had the best talents available on paper in their squad went on to win the league for a while. Of course that didn’t last long cos no team can boast that much talent and keep them all happy. Needless to say, the eventuality of this is already written on the wall with Mancini daily coming out to reconcile with somebody with squad, the inability to get it together in Europe, the ever present drama queens siren-ing their demands etc. Hell the fact that Chelsea is the new Arsenal has already sold me on this notion. I think Fergie has realized all of the above and has been investing in youth and talent for this reason of late. But he still has his usual problems when getting somebody to fit into midfeild to fix as well and so we pray for divine intervention there as always.

      Also on a side note, i read upstairs a lot about how we so badly need leadership which i think is not really the issue as we always had great leaders in truly fine tradition. I don’t think there are at present any better leaders at any top tier club at the moment that can say are head and shoulders above us. What we lack are truly technically skilled midfielders within our ranks. We currently have the best technically skilled ENGLISH midfeilders in Carrick and Cleverly(who will as the former will be destroyed by the england setup) and the unbrazilian like Brazilian Anderson. The less said about Fletcher and co. the better. Need i say more?

      • Craig Mc

        October 31, 2011 at 3:30 pm

        Yo RMJ – enjoyed your comments mate. You got a lot of snow over there on the east coast just now – I so hope it doesn’t cross over to us as it normally does – because for most teams here it means footie games cancelled 🙄 . I think Smalling is getting more and more polished in his performances, and I really love the lad. Jonesy is a bit more of a rough diamond still, and his balance needs fixing because he always seems to fall down a good few times, but his TACKLING ABILITY sheer bloody magic mate!

        • RMJ

          October 31, 2011 at 4:19 pm

          I live in Maryland and all we got were 2 inches which is nothing but enough to send the american media and local politicians into all sorts of panic. I am traveling upstate New York and Conneticut for work this week and mate its going to be hell.

        • Craig Mc

          October 31, 2011 at 9:04 pm

          Awww in that case mate you have my sypathy – you going to work hell and all that 😀 . Glad that you are not snowed in though.

  17. 19Champions

    October 31, 2011 at 1:07 pm

    From the writeup, you would think Everton are a league one club. You would think we have been whacking them every season at their ground since 2005. You would think that its criminal that United didn’t put 6 past them. Perspective is such a precious commodity nowadays.

    • Fergie25

      October 31, 2011 at 1:13 pm

      here here, did you read the league cup review from last week. I think it was the same author who commented that we should never play a league 2 side as we earn millions and they dont.

      I only read this blog as it makes me laugh, I mean the people spitting blood and saying we are rubbish are the same claiming we were amazing in the first few games of the season.

      I am so glad I am in Manchester a city built on perspective. The comments by posters on here makes it clear why american sport is a joke

      • tonymontanna4united

        October 31, 2011 at 6:41 pm

        Funny, im a manc born and bred, and i agree with grogs write up word for word 😕

        • Fergie25

          October 31, 2011 at 8:12 pm

          If you agree with this statement then fair play

          I am not a Pavlovian canine who can so easily be manipulated and trained to comply through scientific methods of positive and negative reinforcement

          Am I reading a football blog?

        • tonymontanna4united

          October 31, 2011 at 9:15 pm

          Funny, i would have thought those who spoke out and didnt just lap up the same old BS from fergie and co, would be the very opposite of that, but ok.

        • Fergie25

          November 1, 2011 at 9:46 am

          As far as reviews go is was funny

      • Stephen

        October 31, 2011 at 7:05 pm

        Yeah, but they will always win the World Series…. 😆 😆

        • Fergie25

          October 31, 2011 at 8:10 pm

          true that

        • gator

          November 2, 2011 at 6:30 pm

          toronto won in 93… 🙄 troll much.

  18. Fergie25

    October 31, 2011 at 1:18 pm

    Just a question. Have we had any thing written about the news from MUST on Friday with regards to Glazer and his son Kevin and that huge chunk of cash. I think if supporters all over the world decided to become knowledgeable in the workings of the club. They might dedicate some time to the real issues that hold our great club back. And just maybe some of our world wide support would become of some use in the fight we continue to face.

    • [OPTI]Madschester United

      October 31, 2011 at 2:08 pm

      arrogance. yet, he refers to the blog as “we.” stupidity.

      • Fergie25

        October 31, 2011 at 7:55 pm

        hello, did you respond in the correct place. If so can you explain your comment please as it makes no sense, thank you

        • Fergie25

          November 1, 2011 at 5:24 pm

          ha ha i like all the dislikes to my hones question. pick on the newbee is it? Who says united fans have no class 🙂

        • Grognard

          November 1, 2011 at 7:06 pm

          No mate, people are picking on you because your views are full of shit. Sorry but you sound a bit confused and very much too pro establishment for this blog. Nevertheless, you are free to voice your views and vent your spleen on here. Just don’t expect a lot of love with views like that. Most of us on here are a little more evolved. 😉

        • Fergie25

          November 1, 2011 at 7:13 pm

          Sorry and you are who exactly?

        • Craig Mc

          November 1, 2011 at 7:46 pm

          Like you would know what class is mate? 🙂 I know because I belonged to the class of 98 – Kapisch??? 😆

  19. Traverse

    October 31, 2011 at 2:28 pm

    Take this as you will, but I’m hearing from the usual places I hear things that Steven Gerrard’s injury is a bit of a cover up. He missed the start of the season with a ‘groin injury’ and now with an infection and has been seen in a cast.

    In the summer Stevie MeMeMe had penis enlargement surgery, that didn’t go fully according to plan. He had too much swelling to return to training for the start of the season, hence the mystery groin injury. He’s only gone and got it infected now.

    Couldn’t happen to a nicer man really. :mrgreen:

    • AndyCR7

      October 31, 2011 at 2:52 pm

      SO he wanted to score with his penis ala Ronnie!?! 😆

      • Craig Mc

        October 31, 2011 at 3:33 pm

        😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 – trust you Andy! 😉

    • Craig Mc

      October 31, 2011 at 3:35 pm

      Bloody hell – OUCH!

    • Grognard

      November 1, 2011 at 7:07 pm

      I always suspected he was a big dick. 😀

      • Craig Mc

        November 1, 2011 at 7:40 pm

        Grog – if he was a big dick – well he wouldn’t need a penis extension 😉 😆 , if indeed Trav’s rumour of him having such is anywhere near the truth!

  20. ash is the man

    October 31, 2011 at 2:36 pm

    whats happened to us?
    why didnt we buy modric, nasri or sneijder?
    why do we play our best player centre mid?
    why doesnt nani start every game?
    why do we play strikers on the wing?
    why are we so rigid when we have an such awesome attack?
    why did anderson cost 21million and van da vaart 8million?
    😯 🙄 😥

    • Stephen

      October 31, 2011 at 5:59 pm

      why didnt we buy modric, nasri or sneijder? Sneidjer was an odd one, Modric wanted to sign for the rent boys and Nasri City.

      why do we play our best player centre mid? Because our midfield is shite, to all the fans who said we did not need anyone, where are you now?

      why doesnt nani start every game? Rotation and in fairness he need a rest every now and again, also we have no natural fullback and they need protection.

      why do we play strikers on the wing? Fuck knows, why do we play centre backs at right back?

      why are we so rigid when we have an such awesome attack? Shit midield.

      why did anderson cost 21million and van da vaart 8million? Anderson is shit, he has a very odd fanbase who praise him when he has one good game, but are very quiet and make excuses when he has ten bad games.

    • Fergie25

      October 31, 2011 at 7:53 pm

      whats happened to us? We became victims of a leveraged take over and have growm to learn that becoming the biggest at the height of capitalism is not the best place to be

      why didnt we buy modric, nasri or sneijder? Modric wanted to stay i London and join the renties, Nasri chose money and shitty. Sneijder was to old and too expensive

      why do we play our best player centre mid? We did this once and many fans have been saying that was the answer so we got a look. Why in that game. Stay tight and competative in the middle with an attacking threat )perhaps)

      why doesnt nani start every game? He would be fukd if he did, we play a lot of football. Plus he is prone to being inconsistent

      why do we play strikers on the wing? A few tactical reasons that I can think of also squad rotation.

      why are we so rigid when we have an such awesome attack? Are we rigid, that did not look the case to me last week

      why did anderson cost 21million and van da vaart 8million? He was not 21 million. VDV was being ofloaded on deadline day to balace the books in Madrid

      • Craig Mc

        October 31, 2011 at 8:50 pm

        Fook me – are you Fergie in disguise, because I could swear the fook you are? Hello Sir Alex!

        • Jon

          November 1, 2011 at 8:32 am

          LOL. On the money.

        • Fergie25

          November 1, 2011 at 9:44 am

          To be compared to the greatest manager of them all. Thank you from the heart

      • ash is the man

        November 1, 2011 at 12:14 am

        ya we are rigid in attack, we are so predictable. We never pursued nasri enough to make him choose. Yes nani cant play every single game but its far to early in the season to be resting him which means hes being dropped for tactical reason which is just baffling. When played in centre mid rooney doesnt really offer any attacking outlet because we like to play containing football at the moment and having strikers like chico on the wing is just a whole waste of his talent!!!

  21. Stephen

    October 31, 2011 at 5:52 pm

    Rooney is World World Class, I have heard it all now.. 🙄 🙄 🙄 Firstly is suprises me that that our own fans seem to clearly not rate our best player, but to say things like that is simply laughbale.
    And Grog a one nil win at Everton after you have been stuffed at home is a good result, sometimes you are just too negative. Yes the performance was not great, but the key was to keep a clean sheet and we did that. One minute fans moan that we concede too many goals and the next we don’t cencede any…. Lets get some prespective.

    • Craig Mc

      October 31, 2011 at 8:48 pm

      Perspective – where the fook do we buy that Stephen mi man, because they don’t sell it at Tesco 😉

      • Fergie25

        November 1, 2011 at 7:55 pm

        Perspective with a united crest on it, is now available in the mega store next to the tea sets and board games

        • Craig Mc

          November 1, 2011 at 8:23 pm

          Obviously I support the team by BOYCOTTING the Mega store and all it sells to line the pockets of the Glazer money grabbing GITS. Wouldn’t be seen dead in the mega store – as like MUST I am of the firm belief that we should not buy there or from any of the sponsors – so that we can try and get at least a small message across that we aint going to continue to contribute apart from match day tickets to any other stuff that will keep the Glazers pockets lines – they can fuck off, and hopefully crash and burn – the sooner the better!

    • Grognard

      November 1, 2011 at 7:14 pm

      Perhaps mate but I do not suffer from diminished or lowered expectations either. In my reality distortion field United score 3 or 4 goals every game and kepp a clean sheet in two out of every three matches. I demand and expect more form my club and the reason we do not reach those heights when once we did, is because of the owners and Fergie’s reluctance to challenge them and demand more resources. So instead he is forced to make due with what he has and he is too old and too insecure to just unleash his dogs. Instead he places tight leashes on all of them until they are choked into submission. Are those analogies sufficient enough for you to get the hint as to why I am so negative and why this club presently sucks farts out of hotel bedsheets?

      • Fergie25

        November 1, 2011 at 7:54 pm

        You make a point that Fergie does not challenge the owners. Do we know this for sure? I dont think we do. Not one of us does.

        If Fergie spat the dummy and left due to his lack of resources who would you replace him with?
        How would Fergie having a “give me money or I go” stance help the club, if it led to him leaving?
        Do you think another manager would have us compete at the top of the transfer market?

        Fergie won the league and got us to a champions league final with that midfield and those owners. He deserves a medal if you ask me. Hang on he got one a premier league champions one. Seriously they should dip him in gold doing what he has done with that midfield and those owners. He should get some praise do you not think?

        If the boss had the cash he should have, imagine what he would be doing now. This is the man who used to break transfer records for fun when we were a PLC.

        Did you read the latest on big Kevin Glazer as I have read not one word on this blog about that travesty. But hang on we played defensivly in a tricky away game and only won by one point.

        Would love to see your response to questions in this post as it is clear you are a passionate supporter of the club

  22. Stephen

    October 31, 2011 at 6:04 pm

    John Terry, the expression is, you be fucked……..

    • Fergie25

      October 31, 2011 at 8:17 pm

      good. big man gets fukd

  23. ash is the man

    October 31, 2011 at 7:40 pm

    look I read most of the comments above and its very mixed regarding some being happy with the result and not bothered how we play.
    But do we not find it strange that we are playing so poorly?? OUR CENTRE midfield is lacking- i know this, but we are not severly lacking that our whole performance has to be about defending and sucking up play. Yes we did get hockeyed last week but the real result was 3.1 and we had ten men against a VERY GOOD side. I dont beleive because of that result be have to play deeper and play players like park and fletcher ahead of anderson and nani. And if we just gave rooney nani and young the fluid freedom that barca give messi, villa, sanchez then we,d be a huge force to be reckoned with and danny or chico to lead the line. I just dont like this suck up play that we are producing- its strange and worrying 🙁

    • Fergie25

      October 31, 2011 at 8:07 pm

      If we win the league. Will you give this result a second thought in May?
      If we do not win the league is this result an important factor?

    • Grognard

      November 1, 2011 at 7:16 pm

      Some people settle for plain or ugly looking girls too mate. There in no account for bad taste, no taste or over tolerance of a bad or mediocre thing. I for one subscribe to none of those which makes it easy for me to wake up each morning and look at myself in the mirror. The day I tolerate any of those things is the day I would consider a long walk off a short pier.

      • Fergie25

        November 1, 2011 at 7:33 pm

        Doesn’t answer my questions, but thanks for your input. Hope you are having a good day

  24. godzilla

    November 1, 2011 at 4:48 am

    Football is a funny game. We struggle every year at Stoke and then Dembe Ba goes and scores a hat-trick there making it look so easy! 😀 funny how which teams play makes such a big difference

    • Fergie25

      November 1, 2011 at 9:42 am

      Not really. Playing united is nearly every premier league teams cup final. They all raise their game to contain us and hope they get us on a bad day

      • godzilla

        November 1, 2011 at 2:22 pm

        thats what i meant with the last line 🙂

        • Fergie25

          November 1, 2011 at 5:20 pm

          just highlighting the fact for those as slow as me

  25. Spizzy

    November 1, 2011 at 5:30 am

    I think you answer ur own question there. If after winning we setup defensively do you think after that massive loss we would then open up shop.
    Our players are not that good and their confidence must have been shattered by the defeat. They needed that clean sheet and expect more of the same for the next few games.
    Some perspective would be nice right about now

  26. Spizzy

    November 1, 2011 at 6:05 am

    A couple of years ago a revolutionary coach came up with the holding midfielder role, im sure he had a difficult time getting his players to convert and play in this new formation but he had the vision and no his vision is lauded as the way to go by all the big teams.
    Fergie is saying a big fuck you to that system and trying to go with two box to box midfielders and i for one love it. Who says the holding midfielder formation is the only way to go? Come to think of it unless you add two razzmatazz forwards (messi,iniesta) its a really boring system to watch. So i say, go fergie, its going to get tough but tweak it a bit get a few things on defense right and we can hopefully get rid of the holding mid

  27. Fergie25

    November 1, 2011 at 10:03 am

    What a prick. The Arsenal share holder speaks about Glazer

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/oct/31/stan-kroenke-arsenal-american-owners

    Fuck of back to the states and continue to run your shitty “franchises” for your shitty little sports that no one out side of your stolen land can give a flying fuk about and while you are at it sort your own club out you leaching capitalist c*nt

    • Traverse

      November 1, 2011 at 4:33 pm

      It should be noted that his Franchises in America are shit aswell, but like all Americans it’s not about the glory for him, it’s about lining his pockets. Fat filthy cunt can fuck off back over the ocean, on foot.

    • tonymontanna4united

      November 1, 2011 at 7:47 pm

      Love the way these tossers in suits always have to make out us fans are just thick as shit hillbillys who dont understand the workings of high finance and how to run a club.
      You can put a spin on it anyway you want glazer, gill, stan etc, the fact remains that this was once a debt free club, that became saddled with over £500m worth of debt overnight, that is still yet to be fully paid off.
      About £400m of the clubs money has been used to pay off those cocksuckers debts over the last 6 years. Money that could have been spent on all things Manchester United, and not lining the pockets of some piece of shit banker.
      Ticket prices have risen over 40%, pricing out good, honest, decent local fans.
      We are never kept in the loop in regards to what they are doing to OUR club, and our spending under their regime is fucking pathetic in comparison to what the rest of the elite clubs have been spending.
      Things are rosey my arse, you can try to kid us all you like, you aint gonna pull the wool over the majority of us fans, eyes.

    • [OPTI]Madschester United

      November 1, 2011 at 7:56 pm

      The Franchise system is made for one thing and one thing ONLY — make money.

      No relegation = no uncertainty for below-average teams
      Player Drafts = worst teams get automatic boost from picking best new players
      Wage-cap = wages are under control to ensure profitability.
      TV timeouts = broadcasters have increased motive to hype and sell sporting events to increase ad revenue, which increases play-time to excruciating 3-4 hours for an NFL game, ~3 hours for an NBA/MLB game. Only hockey has something left to offer.

      On a related note, I, personally, have nothing against a EU-wide wage-cap on teams in each division (based on profitability of league). I think it alone could do a lot of good to even the playing field.

      • [OPTI]Madschester United

        November 1, 2011 at 8:05 pm

        I also forgot that each major US sport has their own season to avoid cannibalizing viewers:

        April – October = MLB (162+playoff games)
        September – February = NFL and College Football (16 + playoff games)
        October – April = NBA (82+playoff games)

        Even though I reside in the US, for the past two years I have not watched a single sport besides Manchester United.

        Glory glory!

    • Fergie25

      November 1, 2011 at 8:21 pm

      Glazers’ secretly charged United 16.1m in “management fees”

      … and they’ve personally bought more than $10m of the bonds too so now our club is also personally paying them interest on their debt that they have dumped on our club. As one Red on Twitter said “And we thought it was only City who were taking the **** out of us this week”.

      We wanted all MUST members to see this story (below) as it highlights much of what is wrong about the Glazer takeover of our football club.

      It’s clear that these details were intentionally hidden from supporters and were only revealed when the club adopted new accounting rules in preparation for the possible flotation in Singapore. It does beg the question what else is being hidden from supporters? Where did the money come from to pay off the PIKs? Were they just refinanced and the facts hidden in Delaware USA?

      The accounts also revealed that Kevin Glazer, who is a non-executive member of the club’s board of directors, and his immediate family own $10.6m worth of the club’s bonds. Those bonds pay an interest interest rate of 8.375 per cent – meaning our club is now not only paying interest on their debt but actually now paying interest to Glazer family members on part of their debt that they landed on our club.

      It’s shameful that the FA and government did not have any regulations in place to stop the Glazer takeover or the foresight to block the takeover going through and protect supporters from this type of exploitation.

      We’ll be following up with a further message to MPs next week and we hope all UK based United fans will use the opportunity to contact their MP to show how important football ownership and governance is to supporters.

      It’s now calculated that the total cost of the Glazers’ ownership of the club since their takeover has come to £532m.

      That’s almost seven Ronaldo’s.

      • gator

        November 2, 2011 at 6:51 pm

        The former owners sold the club out.

        glazers are taking advantage of what was going to happen anyway. they could have sold the club to a trust or fans group but none stood up.

        the debt is a product of the inflated purchase price they paid to the former owners who have that cash in their pocket today. the former owners took all the equity out of united and left us with the debt and owners who couldnt pay it off on thier own. this was all known when they signed the papers and took off with the cash.

        xenophobia may help you sleep at night but there are people in UK spending uniteds debt money on aston martins and racehorses… they get a free pass from fans??? 😆

        should have let murdoch have it but sold it to someone who had to borrow to buy… sounds like they were pissed at the club for choosing to stick with fergi and fucked us on purpose… where is the outrage??? kill the americans 😆

    • Grognard

      November 1, 2011 at 7:19 pm

      Don’t believe everything you read mate. It’s just tabloid BS. Like the rumor of us going for Mascherano, van Wolfswinkle etc etc. I am of the belief that Fergie will unload players in January and only buy a few kids nobody has heard of for the reserves.

  28. Fergie25

    November 1, 2011 at 5:17 pm

    Xmas is coming,
    Fergie is getting fat.
    We got beat by city
    Get ready to be linked too every player with a pulse

  29. Traverse

    November 1, 2011 at 8:57 pm

    Does anyone know of any good streaming sites now that atdhe is gone?

  30. ash is the man

    November 1, 2011 at 9:43 pm

    we all know there isnt a chance of us signing anyone in january. Its just something we dont do. Im also wondering even if we bought a quality playmaker in midfield how would it benefit us considering we are resorting to apalling containment football. What is really needed is a mascherano type player that will just sit back and break up play with real steel as we are already gifted in ambundance in attack. I would love a modric, sneijder etc, however steel is a more corncerning issue that we are lacking

    • Ian

      November 2, 2011 at 7:23 am

      Everyone’s looking for the same player Ash. The list of those type of players isn’t exactly a long one, what gets me though, United’s scouting network is so comprehensive around the world, yet they still can’t find one. They’re reported to be looking at Tiote at Newcastle. Think they missed a trick not getting Scot Parker.

      • Traverse

        November 2, 2011 at 1:56 pm

        I think we will sign someone, even two players in January. Just don’t expect them to be people you’ve heard of. Lindegaard. Hernandez. Tosic. De Laet. Manucho. Possebon. Vidic. Evra. Saha. Forlan. All January signings. Most of them completely unknown.

        I expect Gibson and Kuszcszack to be off in January, and Diouf and Macheda to go out on loan. Macheda to a Premier League team. Diouf off to some low level European club with a loan to buy in the summer deal.

        • Stephen

          November 2, 2011 at 2:45 pm

          Maybe Berba will leave in Jan too……

  31. Fergie25

    November 2, 2011 at 12:55 pm

    WOW Fletch is turning in to Peter Crouch

    http://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/131053955/Manchester-United

    • Traverse

      November 2, 2011 at 1:42 pm

      Aids’ll do that to you….

      • Stephen

        November 2, 2011 at 2:16 pm

        So does running around a football field chasing after a ball you will never win as you have no footballing brain.

        • gator

          November 2, 2011 at 6:53 pm

          damn harsh 😆 he may catch that ball one of these days.

      • Fergie25

        November 2, 2011 at 2:37 pm

        ha ha “Dont get aids you will turn in to Peter Crouch”
        High school sex education takes on a new meaning

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