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Why Moving to Liverpool Won’t Help Heinze

Gabriel HeinzeThis is outrageous. I am thinking of some harsh words for the Bindippers but I am trying to hold it off for the moment, because, while what they are now in the process of doing maybe deplorable, I want to see this in a more objective manner. Yes, there will be the slight bias, but this is a Man United blog. What the hell do you expect?!

Anyway, read on.

For those, who are wondering what I am talking about let me quote from the report on BBC:

Liverpool boss Rafael Benitez says the club’s lawyers are working on forcing through a £6.8m deal for Manchester United defender Gabriel Heinze. […] Benitez said: “We made an offer which they rejected. The lawyers are working on it now so we have to wait.” […] the Reds have met the fee that would secure the 29-year-old Argentine defender’s release – stated in a letter from United to Heinze’s agent.

According to this, the lawyers claim that United have sent a letter to the agent which says that a certain fee would be good to secure Heinze’s move to Liverpool. But the last I remember, a club can have complete discretion over when to sell a player as long as release clauses are not triggered, or such like. The only clause, i.e., the FIFA clause’s deadline had long elapsed and we are yet to actually hear Heinze say that he does, in fact, want to move. Till then, SAF’s word – that we will not sell Heinze to Liverpool – holds.

But that is not the point of this rant. What I really want to talk about is the move from Heinze’s career perspective. He was reported to have said that he was happy and contented living in Manchester. Of course, moving to Liverpool wouldn’t demand a complete change in location. But if he thinks moving to Liverpool would guarantee more playing time then he would be mistaken.

Had he moved last season, he would have been justified. With hardly much quality on their left wing, Riise could have been moved forward with Heinze playing at left-back instead of Arbeloa. (In fact that’s how they actually played at times last season. With Arbeloa playing left back.) This season, however, they have Voronin, Babel among others to lend quality on the left. Which means, Riise will play more in his customary left-back position. Let’s be honest here: Riise is definitely better all-round than Gaby, and has been Liverpool’s mainstay for a long time. With Heinze’s age, he couldn’t be ‘groomed’ as someone to replace Riise in the long run either.

Plus, with Rafa’s history of rotation, a player would be foolish to expect guaranteed playing time, week-in week-out.

All I see here is his agent having plenty to gain from the move, more than anyone else. United lose a quality left-back. Heinze leaves a club he had well-settled in, for another where he won’t get anymore playing time than he used to at United. Even Liverpool will lose the money they might have well spent on some other player for another position. The agent, of course, will get a cut that will help him buy a house or two and that will be it.

So yes, while Heinze’s move would certainly not endear him to United fans, the lack of playing time at Anfield won’t help him from a personal point of view either. Of course, if he really needs more Spanish speaking players around, he might be better off shoring-up the defence of Madrid, who might certainly need someone to plug the hole left by Roberto Carlos.

121 Comments

121 Comments

  1. Little Dud

    July 24, 2007 at 11:52 pm

    red ranter, im just wondering, what is the highest number of comments you have gotten from one post?

  2. mark

    July 25, 2007 at 1:19 am

    come on people put this in context! if stevie g’s agent told rafa he wants a transfer and it was manu meeting the asking price. do think for one minute rafa or the bindipper fans would allow it? i dont thinks so. we dont sell players to liverpool and vice versa. steve p! you seem to of forgot that if it was for man u securing a place in europe and get far in the compertions over the years third rate teams like liverpool would not get the oppurtunity to play in europe! so give it a rest you scouse moron.!

  3. Keith Moses Kaira II

    July 25, 2007 at 9:06 am

    These Scousers are delusional. Most successful club in European history LOL. Ever head of REAL Madrid?

    And while you are at it when did you win your last league title?

    Heinze will be making a step down. If he ever makes the forbidden trip. But I back him not to.

  4. DaveL22

    July 25, 2007 at 10:34 am

    4 Keith Moses Kaira ii

    Sorry mate, I can’t find any comment that says Liverpool are the most successful club in Europe, you must be on hallucinagenics…..

  5. Alvin

    July 25, 2007 at 1:47 pm

    Scousers got a lot to prove before they can say Liverpool are the most successful club in Europe. First of all, win the EPL title next season, which i doubt they will be able to do it etiher. btw the last time they won it, 1990? it was not even called English Premiership that time. and yes, if heinze ever joins liverpool, it will be his biggest mistake of his life.

  6. DaveL22

    July 25, 2007 at 2:09 pm

    Alvin….

    you are just another confused manc, as i previouslt said no-one in the thread has claimed Liverpool are the most successful team in europe.

    in quote 80 I stated the FACT that Liverpool are the most successful club in British Football.

    PEASE NOT THE WORD FACT, if you don’t understand use Wikipedia

  7. Liam O'Kelly

    July 25, 2007 at 10:29 pm

    This is an article from last year on SL in which a ‘Pool fan talks about the upcoming season,kinda puts things in perspective
    http://soccerlens.com/liverpool-20062007-season-preview/1318491.html
    while we’re at it why not some more ‘Pool bashing articles
    http://soccerlens.com/diver-gerrard-is-a-hypocrite/2244513.html
    http://soccerlens.com/lucky-liverpool/1223/
    (the last one is a defence of ‘Pool by one of their own fans but I put it in because I think it’s pretty good.)

  8. Red Ranter

    July 25, 2007 at 11:36 pm

    Heh!
    1st Link: To be fair, hindsight is 20/20. Plenty United fans didn’t expect us to play so well.
    2nd Link: Yes true. I hate the pretentiousness of some players. Henry is another case in point.
    3rd Link: Good post.

    But I guess in my article here I tried to avoid Pool bashing (apart from the opening lines) and talked from Heinze’s career perspective. Alas, you can’t avoid that, can you? You will always get the odd people unwilling to see through the bias and read the post for what it’s worth. Oh well… 🙂

  9. karl

    July 26, 2007 at 8:22 am

    oh oh… Liam are the gloves coming off now? 🙂

  10. Keith Moses Kaira II

    July 26, 2007 at 8:24 am

    @ Davel 22, When was your last league title? Not almost 20 years ago? Yet you think being the most successfull club in “history makes you lot special at this moment in time?

    Have you ever realised football is actually played in the present and not the past? And presently you are pretty unsuccessful domestically. Even Blackburn has more EPL’s than you. The “giants” of Britain. …………….

  11. karl

    July 26, 2007 at 8:25 am

    I wrote a short article for Soccerlens regarding “Hypocrisy” of United. (Saw a couple of forum threads on Soccerlens that I didn’t like.)
    Perhaps we can take it there if Ahmed decide to publish it.

  12. karl

    July 26, 2007 at 8:28 am

    @Red Ranter,
    “To be fair, hindsight is 20/20.”
    Thats the whole point. They annot hide behind hindsight EVERY season.

  13. Red Ranter

    July 26, 2007 at 8:35 am

    [karl]
    Of course, Liverpool’s pre-season predictions are always like that. So much so that it’s become a joke for the last 17 years! So I guess we can just as well ignore their ‘claims of glory’. 🙂
    About the article, you could publish it wherever, ask Ahmed. If he thinks it would better serve at SL then so be it. Or if he thinks it would suit RR then post it here.

  14. DaveL22

    July 26, 2007 at 10:03 am

    4 Keith Moses Kaira II

    you’ve just contradicted yourelf there mate…..you whine on that history doesn’t matter then make a historical quote about Blackburn….Nice one just shows what a thick c**t you are!!

    It doesn’t matter what the league is called be it the League championship , the Barclays Premiership, the EPL, Liverpool have still won the English top flight more times than Man united or any other club in the country.. and I wont even start on Europe!!! Keep trying you may soon be as successful as Liverpool. Til then LIVERPOOL FC IS THE MOST SUCCESSFUL CLUB IN ENGLISH FOOTBALL

  15. Harry

    July 26, 2007 at 10:12 am

    Dave!

    Forget about the history. At this moment in time, not 20 years ago,

    WE ARE THE REIGNING CHAMPIONS AND THE BIGGEST CLUB IN THIS COUNTRY, ARGUABLY IN THE WORLD. WE ARE THE NO.1 CLUB AT THE MOMENT.

    And you will not get Heinze, so end of!!

  16. DaveL22

    July 26, 2007 at 11:16 am

    Real Madrid may have a point to argue there, but I concede, Man Utd. are the current champions (but that’s history too)and the biggest club in England (although size of club wasn’t really the debate).

    I think the thread started off talking about Heinze, I can’t really remeber, i was directed here from another site.

    I agree again, it doesn’t look at the moment like Heinze will come to Liverpool, although with lawyers and courts involved who can tell. The only information we get is from the press, and they portray THE TRUTH as they see it, or just make it up instead.
    Unless the player himself actually makes a statement regarding his position at Man U or the intrest shown by Liverpool we’re all non-the-wiser.

    I’ve enjoyed the banter on the forum and will depart to a site where I can talk about our history to others who appreciate it.

    We’ll just have to wait and see what the new season brings with a bit of luck we’ll make it 19.

  17. karl

    July 26, 2007 at 12:24 pm

    @DaveL22

    Heinze has not yet personally spoken about it.
    Apparently SAF requires him to make a commitment (or so I’ve heard), but this means we should hear from him any time soon about what he feel his plans are.
    Perhaps he’ll want to go to Liverpool, but SAF will not allow that, so should he want to go, the earliest he can be expected at Anfield will be in January. The reason being, he can buy out his contract then…however I speak under correction.

  18. karl

    July 26, 2007 at 3:53 pm

    CONSPIRACY THEORY!!!
    ——————–

    Heinze is a brilliant footballer. He is one of the best left-backs in the PL.
    I belive that £6m is a reasonable price. In fact, I think it is a bit of a steal for a player of his calibre.

    Am I the only one that suspect this, or do you guys agree that it seems a bit strange that only Liverpool made a formal offer for his services?
    Thinking about it last night, I figured that there are a lot of teams looking for good defenders.
    Newcastle for starters…what about Madrid? I mean, really now, Heinze would be able to walk into almost any team in the PL…he could even walk into most teams in Europe… Why is there only 1 bid from Liverpool?

    It can either be:
    a) The price is too much – This will mean Liverpool are stressing over an over-priced player??? Doubt Benitez is that stupdid???
    b) The player/agent don’t really want a move – which means they’re pushing for salary increase
    c) Heinze really want to join Liverpool – Why then
    1) have he not come out publicly himself?
    2) if they’ve been pushing this for about a year and a half now, then he must have wanted to go 6months after he signed a contract. This must mean he is an lifelong Liverpool supporter, or something. Why then did he sign for arch-rivals United?

    No matter which way you look at it, something is not right.

    I think it’s about more salary

  19. Conor

    July 26, 2007 at 11:02 pm

    He probably doesn’t even want to move at all, he said he just wanted to know if he’s going to be playing much, and if not he might have to leave, which seems fair enough…

  20. karl

    July 27, 2007 at 7:38 am

    The playing more part is also confusing. Why then move to Liverpool when everybody knows Rafa has a rotational policy which means no one plays regularly? It does not make sense to me.

  21. DaveL22

    July 27, 2007 at 3:01 pm

    Heinze has employed a Lawyer to sot his move to liverpool out.
    http://www.redissue.co.uk/news/loadnews.asp?cid=TMNW&id=345257

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