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Young Saves De Gea for Manchester United

Ashley Young spares United the blushes with a late goal against West Brom.

In what felt like a repeat of the Community Shield game, we were stunned yet again by the ease in which De Gea was beaten only to be resuced by a late-ish goal from one of our outstanding wingers.

As rightly pointed out by numerous news outlets, the big plus is that we pulled in all 3 points on a weekend when our main rivals could not. Granted, the way in which we achieved it was not pretty. At least not in the second 45. But as we’ve learnt from last season, the manner in which we earn the win comes second to the actual victory itself.

Takeaways from today’s game

The obvious

De Gea did not look overly commanding in the box. He fluffed on an early corner and definitely could have done better with the goal. Just like last weekend, De Gea looked a tad slow in reacting to the shot which made all the difference. On the positive side, our team this year looks to be full of goals. So, perhaps, we reinvent ourselves for this season anyway (from being the rock solid defensive team of years past into one that is able to score more, but is a little more suspect at the back?) until De Gea finds his feet and gains some confidence. It’s not easy being a United keeper especially as a replacement for the steady handed VDS.

Wazza in top form

Rooney doesn’t have the hangover of the World Cup/personal scandal weighing down on his shoulders. And it’s coming through in the way he’s playing thus far. His stellar preseason form has carried over into the season and he’s looked lively and a real scoring threat even if he isn’t the further player forward. I wonder how much that contract fiasco that played out in October of last year was on his mind at the start of last season. Maybe it’s the new crop of hair he has growing on top. In addition to his well-taken goal, he demonstrated his typical commitment by flinging himself in the way of a shot toward the end of the game.

Youth movement

Already, this new look side looks more vibrant and lively than last season’s team. Injecting some youth as well as a certain Ashley Young on the flank has probably helped. Welbeck got the start over Berbatov while Cleverley was preferred in midfield over Carrick. After their performances against City last weekend, who could really find any fault in this decision.

One moment in the first half (in the 21st minute) seemed to really exemplify the pace in which Sir Alex is expecting the team to play. It started with Cleverley deftly picking up the ball in his own half before and culminated with some slick interchanging between Nani, Welbeck and Rooney. Unfortunately, the final strike was off target by the Portuguese winger. It did however demonstrate the kind of fluidity that was missing for most of last season and perhaps, an indication of why Berba is occupying more time on the bench than on the field. Anderson as well looks to be finding his footing and is playing with a little more focus and determination this year. While he didn’t necessarily have a dominant game, he is showing signs of being the enforcer in the middle that we’ve been yearning for.

Defensive crisis?

The win came at a high cost. We lost both Vidic and Rio to injuries with Rio now reported to be out for at least 6 weeks due to his hammy. It’s uncertain at this point how long Vidic will be out for, but it definitely won’t be an overnight recovery. We can take heart however from the fact that both Vidic and Rio were off the field last weekend when a backline comprised of Jones, Smalling, Evans and Evra (later Rafael) successfully fended off a City front line and helped complete the comeback victory. Will we miss Rio (and potentially Vidic) against the likes of Arsenal? Of course we will. But having these youngster to call upon sure beats a central defensive pairing of Carrick and Fletcher again.


Yes, we were probably lucky to come away with the win after an unimpressive second half. Yet, we played well in the first half and had the good fortune of having Ashley Young in our side. He was a constant thorn down the wing and was fully deserving of the goal that spared our blushes and won us maximum points.





  1. Lars

    August 15, 2011 at 9:59 am

    I am a little worried about de Gea, but not the kind of worry that I had when Foster was in goal two seasons ago. Once de Gea develop relationships with his defenders, learns the language, and gains confidence he will be fine. Currently, he looks intimidated (by Rio/Vida?) everytime a cross comes in and stays on/in his line/6-yard box too much AND his reactions are very slow looking!

    Unfortunately, I don’t think our makeshift defence will do him any good for now, but hopefully I am wrong.

    Will our back four be:
    With Jones as our only CB back-up? And, Vally as our only RB back-up? Will Fergie get a veteran back-up before the transfer deadline? 😯 It sure is going to be interesting to see how we will cope.


    • [OPTI]Madschester United

      August 15, 2011 at 5:13 pm

      Agreed. Unlike Foster, De Gea has excellent set of skills, but is a bit nervous with the United #1 spot. He will improve EVERY game until he feels home. Being at OT should help too (only played for us in USA, Wembley, and Hawthorns).


  2. NicoQB

    August 15, 2011 at 10:03 am

    Am I the only one to think that Ashley Young is being overrated?

    Until the second goal – which we should remember is a deflected own goal – the vast majority of his plays were dead ends. Blocks, overhit crosses, absence of simple passing game…

    If we look at crude stats he had two assists, but the first goal was mostly Rooneys doing too.

    Yes Young was very involved, but had Giggs or Nani had this level of involvement, I’m sure we would have fared even better,.

    I hope Young does well, but let’s not kid ourselves. Park’s usual contribution is more fluid and potent that what Young showed yesterday.

    • RedDevilEddy

      August 15, 2011 at 11:23 am

      I actually think he is very underrated. A lot of people seem to undervalue his skills. Please tell me how is overrated, I don’t see too many people talking about how he is the second coming of Ronaldo? Quite the opposite, a lot of people think he was a waste of mony and doubt whether he will make a great deal of difference to United.

      Although you call him predictable, he is probably the only natural left winger left out there. Bale can’t cross for his life, Robben and N’zogbia are both right wingers cutting in, Malouda is more of an attacking midfielder, and although Downing also is a natural left-winger he is shite! 🙄 Young really has impressed me since he arrived, I’ve been wanting us to sign him since his Watford days but I still couldn’t believe he would settle in this quick. It’s not only about the assists he’s gotten, his movement is incredible!! He works well defensivly, and he is a major reason why our attack has been so fluent so far. He can play one-touch, cut inside, stretch the defence, and his movement is really causing havoc to most full-backs. Going back to the City game, I remember especially one incident when Evra had the ball and Young came back to meet, and then suddenly turned and flew past Richards with Evra trying to get the pass over to him. The pass was too long that time, but when those things sit we will have a real gem on our hands. He will do well, even better than what we all could imagine. 🙂

      • NicoQB

        August 15, 2011 at 11:43 am

        2 assists mean Young had an 7/10 performance. On any other day, a player having 2 assists would have a 8/10 performance, but of the assists one was lucky, the other more the work of the scorer than anything.
        Had his overall game been better too, I would have no qualms about giving him due credit, but as i said until the last minute, I thought he was having a very average game – 6/10 material.

        Of course Nani had a worse game, but I just wanted to dampen the enthusiasm about Young.

        And no, until now, I haven’t seen him play one -touch football (see exhibit 1: Tom Cleverley). It seems to me that 9 times out of 10 he has only one thing on his mind and that is crossing the ball.

        The one thing I do think he brings over PArk is his set piece delivery. Until then, I’ll take Park over him.

        • RedDevilEddy

          August 15, 2011 at 12:08 pm

          His touch-and-go attitude really has sparked with Rooney, I didn’t get to watch the game live so didn’t really feel the nerves. I analyzed it more, and I noticed that young Ashley looks to play fast and had developed a real partnership with Wazza. Rooney often seem to be “the wall”, which passes it straight back to a Young running in behind the defenders. In the last ten minutes he also managed to slow the game down, which is something you don’t see Nani do too often.

          And he crosses, of course he does! It’s the same as with Becks, as soon as he gets the ball on the wing he will look for a cross. I don’t know how you can fault him for that, as it’s not only his major strength but what a winger is supposed to do. Rooney and Hernandez may not be the tallest men in the penalty area, but their movement and heading ability is top notch, and when Young swings that ball in I always sense danger.

        • NicoQB

          August 15, 2011 at 8:26 pm

          Thing is Becks was much much more precise with his crosses.
          I agree that he developed a good rapport with Rooney, but he should also be able to link with othrs, drag back to midfield and alternate play.

          We don’t want predictablity.
          Anyways, these are early days. We’ll watch this space.

      • Lars

        August 15, 2011 at 6:44 pm

        I don’t feel is overrated nor underrated; he is just rated. He is however a little predictable: He would sprint down the wing, fake a cross with his left, then cut back and cross with his right foot. However, the thing that made this alright is that the defender fell for it nearly everytime! Now, his crosses yesterday weren’t perfect, but I think once his “I am really playing for United?” jitters calm down he will become a huge asset to our squad.

  3. [OPTI]Madschester United

    August 15, 2011 at 10:34 am

    Pretty good write-up and presentation format. The 21st minute sequence was stellar and exciting. However, I agree with @NicoQB that Young wasted many crosses and was very predictable (hence his quick fake-cross+turn worked so well the two times he didn’t cross), so let’s not go beyond ourselves with Young — he can be a lot better. I will agree with you that having Young one the field helps even out our performance when Nani is having a day off (i.e. a major stinker).

    Also, when you say:
    “It did however demonstrate the kind of fluidity that was missing for most of last season and perhaps, an indication of why Berba is occupying more time on the bench than on the field.”

    I think you are just perpetuating a myth of grand proportions. Berba is not the reason our attack is/was not fluid, nor is Welbeck the reason for it’s fluidity. Our newly devised fluidity should, in my book, be attributed to mobile Anderson and Cleverly who support attacks when off-the-ball (I don’t recall Carrick coming forward as often as Cleverly and Anderson did in our last two games). Having these two mobile CMs allows for the fluidity. Recall Berba’s influence in our best team goal from last season against Blackburn where he was in Defense, Midfield, and Attack… it was mint!

  4. RedDevilEddy

    August 15, 2011 at 11:16 am

    Ashley Young makes an incredible difference to this side. He did hit some bad crosses yesterday, and as some will say he sometimes can be too predictable shifting in to his right foot. But people have to remember that this was only his second game for United! He will improve, and having 3 assists in those two games is far away from bad. But from where I see it, he gives a lot to this side that we haven’t had for a couple of years!

    It’s been quite a while since we have looked dangerous from corners and crossing-free kicks! Yesterday he put in some really good balls, with his best probably being the one which Welbeck just missed during the first ten minutes. He is a major threat from set-plays, and we haven’t really had that since Becks. Yeah, Ronaldo was a free-kick king but he shot at every opportunity he got, and except for his powerful drive to Berbatov in the 3-0 win against Chelsea at Old Trafford in 2009, I can’t remember him getting any assists from a free kick. Young already has one on his name from the City game, and nearly got another one yesterday.

    While he may not be Ronaldo or Messi, he really does have quick feet. He drifts away from his opponents at ease, has pace, and although he is “predictable” he always manages to get a cross in. Not too bad if you ask me? And if there is one reason why I am pleased to see Young in the team, it’s because we now have a great balance of width! We haven’t had two wide wingers playing together since the double winning campaign in Nani and Ronaldo, and we all know how that season went! In 2009 Nani was out of the team, barely getting 10 games, and in 2010 Valencia and Park were two of our most impressing players. The only game I can remember Nani and Valencia playing together was in the 3-2 win aganist Bayern Munich, and until Rafa got sent off we ripped them to shreads! And as we all know, with Vally being out for most of the season last year Park and Nani occupied the wings. And I will not call Park a natural wide player, I think he’s only gotten 3 assists from crosses during his 6 years at this club. 🙄 The danger, fluidity, pace and soon-to-be unpredictability that Young gives us down that left hand side will be too much for most defenders to handle, and I’m delighted we have him in the side.

  5. Nikos

    August 15, 2011 at 11:17 am

    Well, if it was giggsy out there (instead of Young) it would have been a slower-steadier build up. Young was a constant threat on his own way. He had all the determination needed to take so many efforts on his shoulders. In fact, him and Rooney gave us much energy. Giggsy would have been a threat by making the right decisions, passing and crossing the ball when needed and maybe by moving off the ball as he usually does when a cross comes in by the right. Park would have been a constant threat by moving his

  6. Nikos

    August 15, 2011 at 11:25 am

    …by moving his restless body all over the last third of the pitch (whether we were having the ball or not)

    But when it comes for young,that’s another kind of threat. First of all he is so fast that when counter-attacking he can give a massive boost with his presence. He also can carry the ball easily without interrupting our dominant passing game and he has an eye for crossing, and crosses,even when they are not good they are still a threat. And last but not least. He’s got the balls to take many efforts

    • NicoQB

      August 15, 2011 at 12:05 pm

      I somewhat agree, but I have tosay his decision makeing was very erratic yesterdy,.

      Who do we want:
      A slow, less physical but sound decision-maker – Giggs
      A physical, direct winger – Young
      A physical, direct, and good short passer, decision maker – Park

      So Park combines a bit of Giggs and Young – I used to think his end product was lacking but Ji has definitely improved on that.

      Sure Young will get better with time, but let’s not make him what he isn’t yet.

      • RedDevilEddy

        August 15, 2011 at 12:16 pm

        I think Giggs is now more valued as a central midfielder by Fergie. Looks like our wingers this season will be Young, Park, Valencia and Nani, with Giggs joining Anderson, Cleverley, Fletcher and Carrick as our centrals.

        What we are getting in Young is something everybody has been calling for for years! A left winger who gives us width, can cross the ball, and has pace enough to counter. With Young we get more than just that, we’ve gotten an Englishman, a set-piece taker, someone who has a great shot on him, and he quick feet able to shake off most defenders, or at least get some free-kicks. His off the ball movement is amazing, and I like his quick passes that give this team rythm. I know we haven’t signed a God like Ronaldo, an athlete like Bale, or a speedy Gonzales like Alexis Sanchez, but Young gives this team an edge we have lacked for many, many years.

        • Nikos

          August 15, 2011 at 2:15 pm


  7. Nikos

    August 15, 2011 at 11:32 am

    His off the ball movement is not as impressive as Park’s but Park is perfect at this. So why comparing them and not just make this statement?

    He is a typical english winger who likes to carry the ball and swing it in the box. He is tall and athletic and can give this PLUS to our attack whether the build up is slow or fast. His passion and athleticism are his main “well-worked” attributes.

    In conclusion… he fits well with the other lads and as the time goes on he will fit even better.

    • RedDevilEddy

      August 15, 2011 at 11:46 am

      What Park gives to this team is movement and workrate. Park is very much like Scholes, in that he becomes a ghost with his movement, and I don’t see that with any other players at United. What is wrong with this though, is that Park, as a winger, isn’t supposed to be drifting that way. I’ve always felt Park plays better in the middle 3 of a 4-2-3-1 formation, and that is where he fits. Young’s movement as a winger is superior to Park, and the fact that Young does a great deal of defensive duties makes him superior to Park in everything! Crossing, shooting, dribbling, set-plays, unpredictability, movement, fluidity, and let’s not forget about how he seems to gel with Rooney and Anderson. Our left wide has really become dangerous now, I hope Evra doesn’t ruin it all…

      • Nikos

        August 15, 2011 at 2:18 pm

        also agreed

        can you recall the MILAN-PSV games which made fergiw sign him? he was storming in this position

      • Nikos

        August 15, 2011 at 2:29 pm

        As for Young’s unpreictability…

        Well, he is not THAT unpredictable. There are some players out there who can delivere the ball in the box even when a defender is very near to them. The likes of beckham and ribery come to my mind. Well, Young had got this ability. I hope he becomes more accurate cause we really need the classy wide play. (in fact, I always liked wingers who can cut in PLUS cross the ball by a wide position and this is a reason why Ronaldo was… predictale… always cutting in-> kicks)

        • RedDevilEddy

          August 15, 2011 at 3:44 pm

          His predictability is one of his strongest assests if you ask me. Unlike Nani, our strikers seem to know when the ball is on its way. He is very direct, and his decision making is admireable! Being unpredictable isn’t always a good thing, because it may affect a player’s decision making to the worse. Thank God Ashley is Ashley, because he really does a good job for this team. And the best thing is, he will only get better! 😀

        • [OPTI]Madschester United

          August 15, 2011 at 5:11 pm

          “His predictability is one of his strongest assests if you ask me.”
          — you need to stop looking at those naked Young pictures… it’s not good for your head 😉

        • RedDevilEddy

          August 15, 2011 at 5:53 pm

          But it feels so good! 🙁 😆 😆

        • NicoQB

          August 15, 2011 at 8:36 pm

          Surprised on your take about predictability. Likewise Valencia, the day the player reaches 30 years old, they’ll lose pace, be less likely tobeat their marker for speed.

          Hence the reason why the ability to develop varied decision making and not just route one is so important.
          Giggs imho is the gold standard of what a winger should be.

          Also, the main problem with predictabilty was exposed in the RVN era. I loved Ruud to bits, but when he left, we gained a flexibilty and dynamism that was much much more potent.

          Unpredictability is good!!! 8)

  8. RedDevilEddy

    August 15, 2011 at 12:26 pm

    Cesc Fabregas officially a Barcelona player, sad to see the Premier League lose another attraction. Wonder how long this will continue, Arsenal are soon becoming a selling club and with Wenger at the helm I fear they won’t win anything for some time… Unless they strengthen QUICKLY, they may be struggling for a top 6 finish! 🙄 Can’t imagine the turmoil that is going on behind those walls, must be hard to take for the Voyeur.

  9. Traverse

    August 15, 2011 at 2:07 pm

    De Gea’s problem is nerves. All of the reaction saves he had to make were amazing. Truly great reaction saving. His problem so far has been when he’s had time to think about what he’s going to do. That means it’s nerves, not ability. How many keepers are as good as him at TWENTY YEARS OLD. He is literally half of VDS’ age. It’s another ten years before he hits what could be considered his ‘peak’ and is the youngest #1 in the Premier League, and probably the youngest ever.

    He needs to bulk up a little. This will happen (go look at pics of the twins or Valencia or Nani when they first arrived). He needs to learn English. This is happening.

    In transfer news, the Snjeider stuff will be sorted one way or another today. If nothing happens today, then we will start looking elsewhere. That elsewhere is rumoured to be Mario Gotze at Dortmund.

    • RedDevilEddy

      August 15, 2011 at 2:19 pm

      Or we sign no-one and everybody is happy! 😀

    • Irisheyes

      August 15, 2011 at 3:11 pm

      But how will we know when its all over? Will Sept 1st come and we will wait around till the next window to close? Forever and ever waiting for him to sign! Nooooooooo!

      • Traverse

        August 15, 2011 at 3:47 pm

        If it doesn’t happen this summer it never will. We don’t do big business in January, and Sneijder will be 28 by the next summer window. This is a one time deal, and maybe if Sneijder really wants to come he should be reminded of that!

    • [OPTI]Madschester United

      August 15, 2011 at 4:05 pm

      It’s Sneijder’s loss. If he wants to stay in Italy, he should stay. If he wants to come to United, he should suck it up and lose 25% of his wages…

      Who is Sneijder?

      • RedDevilEddy

        August 15, 2011 at 4:10 pm

        A guy who, if he comes to United, will be backup to Cleverley 😉

  10. RedDevilEddy

    August 15, 2011 at 2:56 pm

    Ashley Young!
    Ashley-Ashley Yooouuuunnng!
    Na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-NA! :mrgreen:

  11. colver

    August 15, 2011 at 3:42 pm

    Well Barcelona get their own way again and get Fabregas for half his true value.

    I’m praying that their financial problems come to bite and their team rots in hell.

    Ashley Young looks like an absolutely superb Premiership signing. It is yet to be seen whether he can produce the goods for us in Europe. Or if Ferguson continues to use Park on the left in Europe for his defensive abilities.

    I think Anderson and Cleverley are a bit overrated. Yeah they are mobile and can get up and down the pitch. But they aren’t pass masters and they aren’t creative and I think we will continue to be overreliant on our wingers to produce goals.

    • RedDevilEddy

      August 15, 2011 at 3:48 pm

      Cleverley had a 90% success rate in passing yesterday, and both him and Ando were the driving force in our win against City. They are both very young, and they will only improve. Cleverley is very much a mentally-strong midfielder, and doesn’t rely too much on his physique. He isn’t strong, or too quick, and although he has good ball control it’s nothing that will leave with age. Cleverley is like wine, he will only get better! His decision making, positioning, vision, and tactical play is way beyond his age already, just imagine how good he will be at 26-27?! He will be a fucking monster, and I hope we give him the time and chances he needs.

    • [OPTI]Madschester United

      August 15, 2011 at 4:03 pm

      Barca treated Arsenal with ABSOLUTE DISGRACE and I hope, too, their team will crumble if Messi gets injured! Check out this from their Presidenté:
      “Barca pays €29m and we are very happy, because we said we would not pay more than 30 and we succeeded.”
      — what a cock!

      I also hope Cesc will wake up and realize that he will just be a bench warmer… where will he play? Surely not GK or Defense:

      — DivingQueen—
      Backup (cup team?)
      — Mascherano—

      • RedDevilEddy

        August 15, 2011 at 4:13 pm

        He will be backup to Xavi, and replace him when he retires. Tiago will be replacement to Iniesta, while Bosquets will stay there for a long time. Think Sanchez was bought to replace Villa when he gets old, at least that’s what I’ve understood talking to my friends who are Barca fans. He’ll play second fiddle this season, but his time will come.

        • [OPTI]Madschester United

          August 15, 2011 at 4:26 pm

          So 24-year old Cesc is going to play 2nd fiddle until the World’s Best Midfielder (32-year old Xavi) he begins to wind down his career? That means, Cesc will be 2nd fiddle until he is 26 years old… and that is assuming there are no one else better than Cesc in 2 years time that Barca will drool over.

          Top players who don’t play regularly will not get better, no?

          In my eyes, Cesc made a huge football mistake (but a great life decision) going to Barca.

        • RedDevilEddy

          August 15, 2011 at 4:33 pm

          That I agree with, I think Fabregas is one dumb fuck to go to Barca. His football career will take a massive step in the wrong direction, as will Arsenal’s play. I read that they only won 31% of the games in which Fabregas didn’t play last season, and they are already on one draw this year. Looks like it’ll be a hard season for them, even harder than what one would think. I wish Barca, both their players and board, will rot in hell and become a total fuck up this season.

        • DOn

          August 17, 2011 at 5:30 pm

          I think Arsenal will have a mediocre to average year but i think in the long run they are better off without Cesc just because of the uncertainty and the fact that he was too often injured to be relied upon…I think he was thrust into a captains role way too early just as a ploy for Wnger to hang onto him…Arsenal are in good shape with Wilshere and Ramsey who will be absolute studs in a couple of years..the problem with Wenger is he lusts so much after these Barca products he has gone and gotten himself 2 more who will want to be off also when they reach their would think he would know better than to keep raiding Barca academy…

        • RMJ

          August 16, 2011 at 11:53 am

          Thing is Xavi is becoming more injury prone these days and will allow Faberagas more minutes, Barca without Xavi is a much different team and they are desperate for someone to fill that shoes when needed

    • Stephen

      August 15, 2011 at 5:10 pm

      I thought Cleverley looked very bright, he is always on the move. I was yet again unimpressed with Anderson, he never tries to dicatate the game and seems to just let it pass him by. At one point he was just standing still, which is not good enough at this level.

  12. RedDevilEddy

    August 15, 2011 at 3:52 pm

    I wish we would sell Berbatov, for his own good. And at least we’ll get some money! If we don’t sell him this summer he will leave for free next summer, along with Owen. Which leaves our strikers being Rooney, Chicharito, Welbeck and Kiko. We should get some money for at least one of them! 😐

    • Stephen

      August 15, 2011 at 5:07 pm

      I agree with that totally, what is the point of having him at the club if he isn’t going to play? I have to say I would start him ahead of Welbeck, I am to be convinced he is United quality.

      • johnsom33

        August 15, 2011 at 6:12 pm

        Yeah but were you convinced of Hernandez ability to be United quality?

        Berba has had his chances, and wether you agree with SAF or not he simply doesnt fancy Berbatov.

        Im have been hugely impressed with Welbeck and his preseason form, and I have no qualms about him starting over Berbatov at this time.

        • Stephen

          August 16, 2011 at 1:09 pm

          What we forget is Berba scored 21 goals in 42 games last season, Welbeck netted 6 times for Sunderland. I as I say not convinced yet by Welbeck but Hernadez hit the ground running, with goals.

  13. [OPTI]Madschester United

    August 15, 2011 at 4:15 pm

    If Arsenal don’t beat Udinese and fail to make it to the ECL group stage is Wenger gone? Can Arsenal compete this season without Cesc and Nasri? I don’t think they will be even close… they barely managed a shot on goal against Newcastle…

    • RedDevilEddy

      August 15, 2011 at 4:21 pm

      I hope he stays.

      Or replace him with Rafa! 😆

    • Andrei

      August 15, 2011 at 6:35 pm

      I will be a huge loss for EPL if Arsenal slide into mediocrity. Regardless how one feels about them Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool are trademarks of EPL as much as United are. Liverpool are already in the mediocrity territory and Arsenal and Chelsea are playing with the idea. That makes City a new face representing EPL. Scary perspective…

  14. Stephen

    August 15, 2011 at 5:14 pm

    As I said on Friday, I am very nervous about De Gea. He clearly has great ability but looks like a rabbit court in cars headlights. He needs more time but how much time can we afford to give him if he keeps making errors?

  15. RedDevilEddy

    August 15, 2011 at 6:08 pm

    I feel there are a lot of people on here who misunderstand how Danny Welbeck works. He is very much a Dimitar Berbatov on Red Bull, by that not being a goalscoring striker but more a movement, playmaking, flair striker. Physically he reminds me of Louis Saha, in that he is tall, strong, fast, good in the air and has all the tools to be a perfect striker. It’s the mental part I’m more worried about. Whenever he plays he NEEDS to be part of the build up, whether it be just a deft flick, one-touch passing, playing a good pass or just pulling a defender away from him position to create more room for others. Watching him at Sunderland, and since his return to United, he doesn’t get too many shots off or looks too much of a goalscoring threat. If you look at our magical goal against City last week, try noticing Danny’s run. He pulls Lescott out towards the left side of the penalty area, creating space for Nani to run into and then score. I doubt he will ever be a 20-goal a season striker, but getting 10 assists and between 10-15 goals should be a realistic target.

    Hope people don’t get on his back for scoring too few goals, because that’s not exactly the type of striker he is. He’ll be a wonderful replacement to Berba, that’s for sure!

    • RedDevilEddy

      August 15, 2011 at 6:21 pm

      Also try to notice what part Welbeck plays in Rooney’s goal yesterday. He pulls the left centre back over to the right, meaning the defender who marks Rooney is put into trouble, having to both mark Rooney and cover the space Welbeck opened with his run. Exeptional movement!

    • AndyCR7

      August 15, 2011 at 6:35 pm

      He needs to work on his first touch though…

    • Tevez

      August 15, 2011 at 11:53 pm

      But he is no Berbatov. He will never be in the same class. I want to see Berba in the team while all the players are showing this new willingness to move off the ball. Slot Berbatov in that first half and it’s a big improvement on Welbeck. He is stronger, with a greater touch and technique, and more intelligence. Rooney, Nani, Young and Cleverly displaying the kind of movement they did in the first period would see Berbatov thriving. The second half wouldn’t.

      • RedDevilEddy

        August 16, 2011 at 8:01 am

        Danny may not be better than Berbatov, but sometimes quality doesn’t always have as much of a say as fitting in. I think we all can agree that Berbatov isn’t the perfect fit at this club, but rather a square peg in a round hole. His quality is undeniable, but his mentality and playing style is very much undervalued at United. And simply put, he has mistreated by Fergie which now has led to leaving being his best choice of having a great football careeer! Something Welbeck offers that Berba doesn’t, is workrate, and immense pace in attack. One-touch passing, movement, quickness and that amazing burst of pace. He doesn’t have the magic touch of the Bulgarian, but nobody does that! Not even Messi, but that’s pretty much it. From what I’ve seen, Welbeck is equally smart as Dimi and reads the game just as well. And judging from what I’ve seen from the reserve team, Sunderland, and at United, he is a better finisher than Berbatov. Yes, Berbatov can score the occasional magical overhead kick, but he is not able to score the goals of a natural centre forward, or a long range shot. Danny has got a great future, and right now I’d take him over Berba. And he’s only 20, imagine what he’ll be like in a couple of years! 😀

  16. Nikos

    August 15, 2011 at 8:11 pm

    Fabregas : as said by sven goran “well,well,well,weeeell”

    I mean he obviously wants to win titles and he prefered the likes of iniesta, xavi, villa and leo instead of gervinho, arshavin et al.

    He will be part of the team and he will win titles. So, good for him. As for EPL I think that Arsenal and chelsea are MAYBE worse but MC is much greater.


    Berba case: sell him to city, give us tevez back (fergie is a problem right???)
    By the end of the August he will have renewed his contract.

  17. Rimmerstweets

    August 15, 2011 at 8:50 pm

    I can’t believe no one’s mentioned the great headline!


  18. Nikos

    August 15, 2011 at 9:04 pm

    …which is…

  19. [OPTI]Madschester United

    August 15, 2011 at 9:29 pm

    Kunt Aguero is on fire… 😈

    • Lars

      August 15, 2011 at 9:59 pm

      Out with one Argie cunt in with another Argie kunt!

  20. RedDevilEddy

    August 15, 2011 at 9:55 pm

    I still think Aguero is gonna be a flop for City, at least this season

  21. RedDevilEddy

    August 15, 2011 at 10:03 pm

    That Swansea keeper really impressed me, he looked incredibly good! If Swansea stay up it’ll be because of him, mark my words.

  22. Moscow is my heaven

    August 15, 2011 at 10:03 pm

    I can’t even begin to imagine the disappointment all round when we crush Mancini and his multi-million pound crew (yet again) and hold aloft the PL title in May.

    We have a better goalscorer than Aguero and he cost 32 million less…

    • Andrei

      August 15, 2011 at 10:49 pm

      I have no doubt that United will win the title but it will be nowhere close to “crushing” City. I think City squad is strong and most importantly deep enough to give United run for their money. But in the end United class and team experience will prevail … at least this year. I’m not sure about next 2-5 years though. United will have to improve to stay on the top plus they need to start succession planning.

      • [OPTI]Madschester United

        August 16, 2011 at 1:48 am

        Not sure. City are like Chelsea of 2004-05. Plenty of talent, NO YOUTH!

        They have zero youth policy.

  23. [OPTI]Madschester United

    August 16, 2011 at 4:49 am

    I just read that Arsenal don’t get the 35 million for Cesc in ONE lump sum 😯 😯 … SERIOUSLY… did Barca just eat Arsenal a take dump in Wenger mouth?

    At least Madrid paid 80 million at once. Arsenal got raped by Barca.

    • RedDevilEddy

      August 16, 2011 at 7:51 am

      Let’s all laugh at Arsenal, cause this must be the saddest thing I’ve ever heard! 😆 😆

  24. Jay wire

    August 16, 2011 at 10:23 am

    Not to stir controversy but i think it’s a bit tricky for us to point at the speck in Barca’s eye in how they handled the Fabregas issue. Granted, I believe their dirty tactics approach in most of their transfer dealings is appalling. They always seem to have Xavi as all of their transfer targets’ “close friend”. Henry, Villa,Fabregas. It’s unethical and downright, dirty. But we haven’t exactly gloriously applied ourselves in the transfer market. Ronaldinho,Hargreaves,Carrick,Berbatov. All of these left a bad taste. And our snatching of 15 year olds has made us Uefa enemy number 2 after our neighbors. But getting a player on the cheap is not evil, it’s wise. Not that they are wise, because I think they are absolute fools when it comes to most big money signings. Why Ibrahimovic? Remember we refused to pay more than £15m for Ronaldinho. Madrid paid £25m to acquire the world’s biggest sports brand at his peak. We, like Arsenal were stupid and emotional enough to accept it. Difference now is we learned from it, Arsenal never learn. What I don’t understand though, is why every single player thinks they’ll get first team football at Spain’s two biggest clubs. If I’m Sahin how do I think my career will progress in a midfield like that? Afellay can kiss goodbye to breaking into the first team with Sanchez around. Ambition? I say foolishness. First win the Ballon d’Or at your club, then go and dislodge Xaviesta. Same foolishness that drives every top class forward to City when they already have 20 and utilise one per game. Footballers are real fools

    • Tevez

      August 16, 2011 at 11:58 am

      I would agree regarding Afellay who doesn’t look like he’s capable of muscling his way into that team but not with Sanchez and Fabregas. Both are top class and I expect them to play consistently. They are good enough and are confident in their own ability – Fabregas is the equal of Xavi and Iniesta, and Sanchez will feel he can displace Pedro. I think both are justified in thinking they will get first team football. Sahin too. A good player who is capable of playing for Madrid. Yes, his signing seems excessive but Mourinho has always liked using a diamond midfield so perhaps he was looking at personnel for that. The strange one there for me is Fabio Coentrao because they already have a very competent left back in Marcelo who was good last year.

      • Stephen

        August 16, 2011 at 1:11 pm

        I agree with Coentrao also they paid £27m for him which to me is astounding.

    • Moscow is my heaven

      August 16, 2011 at 1:19 pm

      We paid close to 20 million for Carrick, Hargreaves and actually missed out on Ronaldinho. We spunked 30 million on Berbatov after getting bullied by Daniel Levy. I hardly call that dirty tactics 😯

      Barcelona are the greatest evil in world football. Nearly every level of Barcelona’s staff talked up Fabregas who had just signed a long term contract in the press, using emotional blackmail and telling everyone Cesc had ‘Barca DNA’ when he was quite clearly a contracted Arsenal player. The whole saga has been full of bitching, whining and wearing down tactics, perpetrated with disrespect, ignorance and some quite astonishing arrogance. Now I know you are a Barca fan JayWire, so I can understand you trying to lower us to their level, but United have always been a club with respect and pedigree who have kept transfers confidential and discreet.

      I find it baffling that such a great club like United could even be compared to the lowest of the low scumbags BarcaCunts FC 😡

      • Stephen

        August 16, 2011 at 1:36 pm

        We are hardly in the past been innocent of tapping players up in the past, Stam admitted that himself. We were paying David Bellion mobile phone bills when he was at Sunderland. Al clubs tap players up, it is part and parcel of football. Personally I can see why it is done, why spend months negotiating with a club for a player when he doesn’t want to come in the first place?

  25. Traverse

    August 16, 2011 at 1:10 pm

    Reuters are now reporting what I said was in the offing months ago. We are to be list on the stock market in Asia for $1bn. The end of Glazers in sight. Unfortunately this is one of the few things that might actually be worse.

    • [OPTI]Madschester United

      August 16, 2011 at 3:15 pm

      Being listed in Asian market, does not preclude non-asians from ownership, right? Is it just to avoid a weak dollar? [PS: I have near zero clue about finances]

    • gator

      August 16, 2011 at 8:42 pm

      glazers are going nowhere they are offering a minority stake for 1bn. they are cashing in. ive read that its 25-30% stake. In doing this they will have already recouped the cash and loans it took to acquire united. they have pulled off a massive business deal in this shit economy. Buying with less than half down and now will have the loan paid off and most if not all of their initial investment came from the clubs profits that they helped to double, swelling them to the largest in the sporting world.

      and heres the kicker… all the while united has enjoyed one of its richest cup winning spells ever. To be sure this is not to be credited to them but to sir alex. Who pulled off a masterstroke of his own last season.

      As well we can be sure that the plight of the local supporter being priced out of the gameday experience is not seeing any promise from this. but i feal/fear that this is not just at United but a fact of life across the globe at all major sports franchises.

      Now with this huge cash injection United will have the Pretty financial statement to go along with the pretty trophy cabinet and hopefully the WHOLE nation of red devil worshipers can come back together and have more talk of footie and less of owners and finances.

  26. Moscow is my heaven

    August 16, 2011 at 1:22 pm

    Barcelona FC is the biggest assembly of cunts in world football 😡 😡 😡

  27. colver

    August 16, 2011 at 1:59 pm

    We are certainly not spotless. But we have never resorted to the depths Barcelona have-claiming Fabregas is a hostage, getting all the players to talk about how he wants to join barcelona but isn’t allowed to.

    We ALWAYS pay a premium on the true value of the player to the selling club. Yes we go after players whose clubs don’t really want to sell but once the other side agrees to negotiate we pay fair value. We don’t rely on the player kicking up a fuss forcing the club to sell at a bargain price.

    Barcelona are absolute cunts. They think they can dictate the price and the terms, even forcing Fabregas to fork out of his own pocket to make the move go through. Arsenal had their valuation which was very reasonable in today’s market. But Barcelona absolutely refused to meet it instead blowing their budget on Sanchez.

    Somehow they manage to spend beyond their means without attracting the slightest attention from the financial fair play preachers.

  28. colver

    August 16, 2011 at 2:04 pm

    This isn’t about tapping up. Some level of tapping up is inevitable as you want to sound out the player about the move. It is hardly an open secret Fabregas wanted to join barca and they wanted him. Where things got dirty is the way Barcelona courted the press to paint Arsenal in a bad light- DESPITE the fact that Fabregas had signed a contract with Arsenal and Arsenal had every entitlement to demand a market value for the player.

    Usually a deal gets dragged out the whole summer because the selling club isn’t willing to sell. Arsenal were willing to sell at the start of the summer for a price of £40 million. barcelona had the money but instead wanted Sanchez. Had they paid up at the start of the summer everything would have gone a lot smoother and the saga would have a line drawn under it.

    Then again how long before Barcelona come after Hernandez? Or Nani?

    I hope they bankrupt themselves and fade into obscurity

    • [OPTI]Madschester United

      August 16, 2011 at 3:18 pm

      The fact that they did not pay 35 million in one lump sum, suggests bankruptcy is a real possibiliy.

      Also, count into the fact that the other 18 La Liga teams are trying to change the broadcast contracts, which will hurt RM and Barca, only!

      • Tevez

        August 16, 2011 at 5:32 pm

        As I understand it, almost no transfers involve a full lump sum. They are paid over a number of years and the Fabregas transfer is a perfectly regular deal.

    • Tevez

      August 16, 2011 at 5:28 pm

      What does it matter what the players were saying? Or how Arsenal were being made to look in the press? None of it had any bearing on the outcome. Fabregas wanted to move and Barcelona wanted him. All the other crap was irrelevant. Barcelona only need to communicate with Arsenal and Fabregas’ agent to engineer a move, the media can’t help them and Arsenal certainly don’t care what the press has to say. They are entitled to hold out for their valuation of the player but so are Barcelona. Arsenal buckled and that’s their fault. If they wished to hold out for more money they could have done, or they could have refused the transfer for at least another year. That would have been Fabregas’ fault for signing a long-term contract. They didn’t though. £35 million for a player who had such a strong desire to leave seems good to me. If I was Barcelona I may have held out for less. They were in a relatively strong position so why should they just bend over and pay whatever Arsenal wanted. They didn’t and quite right. It will be interesting to see who Wenger brings in now.

  29. Nikos

    August 16, 2011 at 3:39 pm

    Although this is not a basketball blog I would like to mention that barcelona basketball team are even more… cunts. I mean thay ARE pussies. They are the definition of gay sissy athletes.

    So, I am Greek, my team is Panathinaikos and I have to watch this gay athletes moaning and over reacting in each possible league.


    Greece and Panathinaikos have to compete against the cunts. Although, barcelona and spa

    • Nikos

      August 16, 2011 at 3:45 pm

      Although barcelona is a greater team (compared to panathinaikos) and spain is also a greater team (compared to greek team) I have to say that their way of winning is far more fay than the football’s team.

      Even more acting, more over reacting and fall over the court like they are made of thin wood.

      FUCK EM. I hate their sissy ways.

      P.S. Imagine how it is to watch sports and everywhere look there’s a spanish cunt.
      P.S.2 Let me say that I am not against gay people but it’s a bad manner of speaking. Sorry.

  30. Stephen

    August 16, 2011 at 4:13 pm

    Truthfully who cares about Barca? If the have taken Fabregas what skin is off our nose, they are a great team who operate in a non surprising shady way. Real were hardly innocent with the advances towards Ronaldo, some on this site are obsessed by them, give it up forget about Barca and concentrate on our own side.

  31. godzilla

    August 17, 2011 at 4:53 am

    Whats the latest on Sneijder???? Nasri to City seems done. What a fhaggot – choosing money over us. THough am no fan on Arsenal, as a football fan not happy to see Wenger go through this. Nasri is being a prick and dumping them when everyone knew Cesc would be off and Nasri was expected to play his role.

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